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Subject: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/20/20 at 9:08 pm

2016 was one of the most unique years of the 2010s. It is part of the core/mid 2010s. Like 2008, people are divided on what 2016 is culturally. 2014 is mid 2010s but there were some early 2010s hanging on and 2018 was the peak year of the late 2010s.

2016 was a split year where the first half was still mid 2010s but the second half was when late 2010s influence start to take shape.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/20/20 at 9:15 pm

Fashion wise, this is really hard. The hipster aesthetic was still mainstream as it was in 2014 but another form of fashion called athleisure began it's popularity and continued on in 2018. Although, 2018 was the year where colorful stripes/color-blocking became popular so I guess I can put 2016 closer to 2014.

Music wise, another tough one. 2016 music sounds kinda different from 2014 because tropical house/future bass wasn't popular in 2014. The music of 2014 was filled with EDM, indie pop, and upbeat pop music. The music of 2018 was filled with downbeat trap and soundcloud/emo rap which had it's beginnings in 2016. Regardless, 2016 was dominated by EDM songs and dancehall so I would put it closer to 2014.

Political wise, definitely closer to 2018 because Donald Trump running for president was unheard of in 2014. Although, Obama was still president in 2016 but he was overshadowed by Donald Trump's antics. There was also Brexit which continued on through 2018.

Social media wise, not much to say. Instagram and Snapchat were popular in these three years. However, Instagram had a re-design in mid-2016 which still has the same design to this day. Vine was still in operation throughout 2016.  Probably lean towards 2014, but not much.

I would say 2016 is culturally closer to 2014 but just a slight lean.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Rainbowz on 05/20/20 at 9:43 pm

Politically, more like 2018. Both 2014 and 2016 still had Obama as president, but 2016 was when the idea of Trump becoming president wasn't laughable anymore. This I feel like really changed the political atmosphere because you started seeing a lot more talk about "Anti-SJWS" while in 2014 it was still just SJWS.

Music-wise, then I feel like it depends on the genre of music. When it comes to hip-hop, this was the year where it was starting to change into its late 2010's form, so I'd say it's more like 2018 in that regard. Pop music was more like 2014 IMO.

Both 2014 and 2016 had Vine, which was a huge app among teens. Whereas August 2018 was when TikTok officially became available in the United States.

So I'd say early-mid 2016 is slightly culturally closer to 2014. Late 2016 is definitely more like 2018.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: batfan2005 on 05/21/20 at 7:53 am


2016 was one of the most unique years of the 2010s. It is part of the core/mid 2010s. Like 2008, people are divided on what 2016 is culturally. 2014 is mid 2010s but there were some early 2010s hanging on and 2018 was the peak year of the late 2010s.

2016 was a split year where the first half was still mid 2010s but the second half was when late 2010s influence start to take shape.


Like 2008, a new president of the opposite party of the sitting president was elected, and the sitting president was in their lameduck year.


Fashion wise, this is really hard. The hipster aesthetic was still mainstream as it was in 2014 but another form of fashion called athleisure began it's popularity and continued on in 2018. Although, 2018 was the year where colorful stripes/color-blocking became popular so I guess I can put 2016 closer to 2014.

Music wise, another tough one. 2016 music sounds kinda different from 2014 because tropical house/future bass wasn't popular in 2014. The music of 2014 was filled with EDM, indie pop, and upbeat pop music. The music of 2018 was filled with downbeat trap and soundcloud/emo rap which had it's beginnings in 2016. Regardless, 2016 was dominated by EDM songs and dancehall so I would put it closer to 2014.

Political wise, definitely closer to 2018 because Donald Trump running for president was unheard of in 2014. Although, Obama was still president in 2016 but he was overshadowed by Donald Trump's antics. There was also Brexit which continued on through 2018.

Social media wise, not much to say. Instagram and Snapchat were popular in these three years. However, Instagram had a re-design in mid-2016 which still has the same design to this day. Vine was still in operation throughout 2016.  Probably lean towards 2014, but not much.

I would say 2016 is culturally closer to 2014 but just a slight lean.


Maybe to a lesser extent in 2014, but I remember in 2015 athleisure becoming popular, especially yoga pants. Of course I would notice yoga pants, lol  :D

With Trump, 2015 was when he first announced running for president and it was within the realm of possibilities. There was the SJW backlash and racial tensions that were escalating and peaked in 2016.

So there was a small shift in 2015 that separated 2016 from 2014, but it wasn't as big as the 2013 shift especially pop-culture wise. The whole period since then was like the new Y2K era with teen pop for the next generation.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/21/20 at 7:55 am

This is indeed really hard to choose because 2016 almost seems like a perfect mix of the two.

I agree with all the points brought up so far, plus I would add that 2014 and 2016 both had ISIS as a huge political threat, while the group was nearly dissolved by 2018.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/21/20 at 11:11 am

2016 had a mixture of mid and emerging late 2010s cultural elements. 2016 is more like 2014 with music, mainly because of EDM pop still being dominant that year. You had popular DJs like The Chainsmokers, Calvin Harris, Major Lazer, and DJ Snake making hits after hits with the genre. Pop was still upbeat and pulsating with artists such as Ariana Grande, Shawn Mendes, Justin Bieber, Fifth Harmony, Daya, Meghan Trainor, and many more.

With rap, it's more towards 2018 with trap becoming more commonplace in the genre, especially with bubblegum and mumble trap (Lil Yachty, 21 Savage, and Lil Uzi Vert, for example).

Politically, 2016 also leans more towards 2018 with all of the political fury, fear of terrorist attacks, and division.


I guess I would put 2016 more towards 2014 because of the upbeat music and pop culture for most of the year.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Early2010sGuy on 05/21/20 at 12:55 pm

January to August 2016 leans closer to 2014, though the later part of 2016 feels a bit closer to 2018 from my point of view

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/21/20 at 1:57 pm

2018 for sure. 2014 is nothing like 2016, a completely different era. 2018 is the same era as 2016. I was just thinking about this this morning so I'm glad I saw it come up.

Edit: Just saw the results... what the...?  ??? How am I the only one who thinks this?  ???

I've always found it odd how so many people here just completely ignore the huge changes that happened in 2015 and 2016. And they say a year like 2017 had changes even though it did not have that many changes and was the quintessential late 2010s year. Just makes no sense to me... 2014 was nothing like 2016. 2016 and 2018 were quite similar.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/21/20 at 2:12 pm


2018 for sure. 2014 is nothing like 2016, a completely different era. 2018 is the same era as 2016. I was just thinking about this this morning so I'm glad I saw it come up.

Edit: Just saw the results... what the...?  ??? How am I the only one who thinks this?  ???

I've always found it odd how so many people here just completely ignore the huge changes that happened in 2015 and 2016. And they say a year like 2017 had changes even though it did not have that many changes and was the quintessential late 2010s year. Just makes no sense to me... 2014 was nothing like 2016. 2016 and 2018 were quite similar.

It's your opinion if you think 2016 is closer to 2018 but saying 2016 was "nothing" like 2014 is kinda nonsensical. Vine was still in operation in 2016 and was non-existent in 2018. 2016 music had a more upbeat vibe than 2018. Obama was still president throughout the entire 2016 despite being in his lame duck period. Smartphones still had the bezel design. Like Shruggie said, 2016 had a cultural mixture of both years, which perfectly describes 2016.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/21/20 at 2:30 pm


It's your opinion if you think 2016 is closer to 2018 but saying 2016 was "nothing" like 2014 is kinda nonsensical. Vine was still in operation in 2016 and was non-existent in 2018. 2016 music had a more upbeat vibe than 2018. Obama was still president throughout the entire 2016 despite being in his lame duck period. Smartphones still had the bezel design. Like Shruggie said, 2016 had a cultural mixture of both years, which perfectly describes 2016.

I know I just find it surprising. 2014 and 2016 felt like two worlds almost, undoubtedly different eras and didn't feel similar at all to me. That's why I'm shocked by the results. But whatever.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/21/20 at 6:19 pm

2016 was neither more like 2018 or more like 2014. It was a year that stood on its own. Culturally it was darker than 2014, but not quite as dark as 2018-2019.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/21/20 at 6:27 pm

I think the problem is people forget the 2010s was a really split decade, there was really no such thing as mid 2010s culture it was only a short transition from early to late. 2014 was the only real full mid 2010s year but even that year had some early 2010s leftovers and trap really started to explode later on that year too. These results are the most shocking I've seen out of all of them.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/21/20 at 6:28 pm


2016 was neither more like 2018 or more like 2014. It was a year that stood on its own. Culturally it was darker than 2014, but not quite as dark as 2018-2019.

Well that's at least better than saying 2014 and 2016 were more similar to each other.  ;D Though in my opinion 2016 and 2018 though there were a few minor differences they were definitely the same era and very similar to each other on the whole. We entered into a new world in 2016.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/21/20 at 8:34 pm


2016 was neither more like 2018 or more like 2014. It was a year that stood on its own. Culturally it was darker than 2014, but not quite as dark as 2018-2019.


That's completely understandable. 2016 really isn't like one or the other, so that's why it's pretty difficult for us to compare it to those years.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 05/21/20 at 9:37 pm


I think the problem is people forget the 2010s was a really split decade, there was really no such thing as mid 2010s culture it was only a short transition from early to late. 2014 was the only real full mid 2010s year but even that year had some early 2010s leftovers and trap really started to explode later on that year too. These results are the most shocking I've seen out of all of them.


I can get behind the notion of the 2010s being a 'split decade'. But I'd place that split in/around Mid 2015 or so. Aka, when Trump announced his candidacy for President. 2015 & 2016, even when looking at a 'split view', are still primarily within the same cultural era.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/21/20 at 9:52 pm


I can get behind the notion of the 2010s being a 'split decade'. But I'd place that split in/around Mid 2015 or so. Aka, when Trump announced his candidacy for President. 2015 & 2016, even when looking at a 'split view', are still primarily within the same cultural era.

Yeah, I agree. Though I did notice things changing in 2014 with mumble rap blowing up, Gamergate, SJWs/safe spaces/political correctness becoming a hot topic, the Ferguson riots, memes turning post-ironic, Musical.ly, Vine, Filthy Frank, The Chainsmokers, Ed Sheeran, and the rise of alt-lite figures like Milo Yiannopoulos and Sargon of Akkad. This foreshadowed 2015-2019.

But 2014 also still had stuff that fit in with 2010-2013, like Uptown Funk, Pharrell's Happy, Flappy Bird, the Selfie craze, All About That Bass by Meghan Trainor, Dark Horse by Katy Perry, Anaconda by Nicki Minaj, etc. Basically 2014 was the in-between year, similar to 1964's role in the 60s.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/21/20 at 11:13 pm

Which one of you were on my case a couple weeks ago? Zeldafan or Zelek? I can't remember, I keep getting the two of you confused because you both start with Z and I think you are both born in 1995.  ;D

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/21/20 at 11:16 pm


Yeah, I agree. Though I did notice things changing in 2014 with mumble rap blowing up, Gamergate, SJWs/safe spaces/political correctness becoming a hot topic, the Ferguson riots, memes turning post-ironic, Musical.ly, Vine, Filthy Frank, The Chainsmokers, Ed Sheeran, and the rise of alt-lite figures like Milo Yiannopoulos and Sargon of Akkad. This foreshadowed 2015-2019.

But 2014 also still had stuff that fit in with 2010-2013, like Uptown Funk, Pharrell's Happy, Flappy Bird, the Selfie craze, All About That Bass by Meghan Trainor, Dark Horse by Katy Perry, Anaconda by Nicki Minaj, etc. Basically 2014 was the in-between year, similar to 1964's role in the 60s.

Yes but Uptown Funk was a 2015 song released in November/December of 2014. And Pharell's Happy was a 2014 song released in November/December of 2013.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: 2001 on 05/22/20 at 1:07 am


Which one of you were on my case a couple weeks ago? Zeldafan or Zelek? I can't remember, I keep getting the two of you confused because you both start with Z and I think you are both born in 1995.  ;D


I used to get SpyroKev and Zelek confused because I thought they were both born 1990. ;D

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 05/22/20 at 1:20 am


Yeah, I agree. Though I did notice things changing in 2014 with mumble rap blowing up, Gamergate, SJWs/safe spaces/political correctness becoming a hot topic, the Ferguson riots, memes turning post-ironic, Musical.ly, Vine, Filthy Frank, The Chainsmokers, Ed Sheeran, and the rise of alt-lite figures like Milo Yiannopoulos and Sargon of Akkad. This foreshadowed 2015-2019.

But 2014 also still had stuff that fit in with 2010-2013, like Uptown Funk, Pharrell's Happy, Flappy Bird, the Selfie craze, All About That Bass by Meghan Trainor, Dark Horse by Katy Perry, Anaconda by Nicki Minaj, etc. Basically 2014 was the in-between year, similar to 1964's role in the 60s.


Good points. There's a compelling argument to be made that the mid 2010s (2014-early 2017) in it's cultural capacity should still be acknowledged. But the 'split decade' theory is compelling as well, essentially giving more credence to the notion that the 2010s were sort of a modern '1970s', in many cultural aspects and how they unfolded.


Which one of you were on my case a couple weeks ago? Zeldafan or Zelek? I can't remember, I keep getting the two of you confused because you both start with Z and I think you are both born in 1995.  ;D


That would be me. Zelek was born in 95', me in 96'.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/22/20 at 9:23 am


But 2014 also still had stuff that fit in with 2010-2013, like Uptown Funk, Pharrell's Happy, Flappy Bird, the Selfie craze, All About That Bass by Meghan Trainor, Dark Horse by Katy Perry, Anaconda by Nicki Minaj, etc. Basically 2014 was the in-between year, similar to 1964's role in the 60s.

Several of these actually make more sense in the 2015-2019 period though. The word "Selfie" for instance was coined in 2011 and was in common usage only by 2013. So "selfie culture" is more of a mid-to-late '10s thing if anything.

"Dark Horse" is a trap-EDM song and definitely belongs in the mid-2010s, and not the early 2010s since the fusion genre didn't exist yet.

"Uptown Funk" is more so a representation and the peak of the synth-funk revival and brass trend of the mid-2010s. 2016 also had the similar "Can't Stop the Feeling!" and "24K Magic".

"All About That Bass" definitely exemplifies to the woke/tumblr culture of the mid-2010s since it's a stab at fatshaming in the industry and a subsequent promotion for big booties (which eventually became the ideal body type), something that wasn't much of a thought yet in the early 2010s. Plus its minimal doo-wop beat would have made it awkwardly stick out in the electropop era.

I think "Anaconda" fits better with the latter part of the 2010s rather than the former, since by 2019 we had stuff like this:
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Plus it sounds very different from Nicki's earlier material.
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Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/22/20 at 11:02 am


But the 'split decade' theory is compelling as well, essentially giving more credence to the notion that the 2010s were sort of a modern '1970s', in many cultural aspects and how they unfolded.



2010s as the modern "1970s"? I'm not so sure about that. Yes, we've had tumultuous periods in those decades, but the cultural atmospheres between them were obviously different. What do you exactly mean by that?  ???

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/22/20 at 4:46 pm


Several of these actually make more sense in the 2015-2019 period though. The word "Selfie" for instance was coined in 2011 and was in common usage only by 2013. So "selfie culture" is more of a mid-to-late '10s thing if anything.

"Dark Horse" is a trap-EDM song and definitely belongs in the mid-2010s, and not the early 2010s since the fusion genre didn't exist yet.

"Uptown Funk" is more so a representation and the peak of the synth-funk revival and brass trend of the mid-2010s. 2016 also had the similar "Can't Stop the Feeling!" and "24K Magic".

"All About That Bass" definitely exemplifies to the woke/tumblr culture of the mid-2010s since it's a stab at fatshaming in the industry and a subsequent promotion for big booties (which eventually became the ideal body type), something that wasn't much of a thought yet in the early 2010s. Plus its minimal doo-wop beat would have made it awkwardly stick out in the electropop era.

I think "Anaconda" fits better with the latter part of the 2010s rather than the former, since by 2019 we had stuff like this:

I associate Selfie more with the first half of the 10s because it was only really popular in 2013-2014 and died out very quickly after that, soon being seen as an embarrassing relic. By 2015-2016 when older people used the world "Selfie", it was seen as a "How do you do fellow kids" or "That's so 2014" type of thing. Even if people still take selfies today, the term stop being used.

Uptown Funk reminds me of Bruno Mars's previous hit Treasure (2013). Since I still consider 2013 an early 10s year (though some here disagree), that's why I connect Uptown Funk to the first half of the decade moreso than the second half.

I mostly associate Dark Horse with the first half of the 10s because it's a hit Katy Perry song. After 2014 I didn't hear much of her music on the radio anymore (maybe I wasn't paying attention), until 2019 when she came back with Small Talk.

To me, Anaconda feels earlier 2010s because it has that "unabashedly stupid trashy fun" feel of early 10s culture. Like, "I'm gonna act stupid as possible, don't care what you guys think", that's what a lot of early 10s culture felt like to me.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/22/20 at 5:32 pm


I mostly associate Dark Horse with the first half of the 10s because it's a hit Katy Perry song. After 2014 I didn't hear much of her music on the radio anymore (maybe I wasn't paying attention), until 2019 when she came back with Small Talk.

That doesn't really mean anything though. Britney Spears was also scoring huge hits in 2011. Does that make 1999 and 2011 part of the same era? ??? Katy Perry actually had a small comeback in 2017 with "Chained to the Rhythm" which did pretty decent in the charts. This is of course before her Witness album bombed big time, and so did practically all of her 2019 singles.

To me, Anaconda feels earlier 2010s because it has that "unabashedly stupid trashy fun" feel of early 10s culture. Like, "I'm gonna act stupid as possible, don't care what you guys think", that's what a lot of early 10s culture felt like to me.

Well she mostly talks about her dealer boyfriend and gang violence in that song. That's not really in line with the early '10s ethos in my opinion.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 05/22/20 at 8:30 pm


2010s as the modern "1970s"? I'm not so sure about that. Yes, we've had tumultuous periods in those decades, but the cultural atmospheres between them were obviously different. What do you exactly mean by that?  ???


The ethos of the two decades and how they proceeded were relatively similar. Cultural malaise, distrust of institutions, right wing revitalized politics, technological stagnation, etc. The mere fact that the 1970s were a decade defined as the core of Baby Boomer culture (YA years for Older Boomers, 'core' youth years for Younger Boomers), and the same being said for the 2010s with Millennial culture (YA years for 80s baby Older Millennials, 'core' youth years for 90s baby Younger Millennials).

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/23/20 at 12:19 pm


The ethos of the two decades and how they proceeded were relatively similar. Cultural malaise, distrust of institutions, right wing revitalized politics, technological stagnation, etc. The mere fact that the 1970s were a decade defined as the core of Baby Boomer culture (YA years for Older Boomers, 'core' youth years for Younger Boomers), and the same being said for the 2010s with Millennial culture (YA years for 80s baby Older Millennials, 'core' youth years for 90s baby Younger Millennials).


I do notice some of the similarities, but the 1970s had more groundbreaking tech: the first mass-marketed video game (Pong), the first-ever game console (Odyssey), the invention of personal computers (like Altair 8800 and Apple II), and so on.

And the 2010s did start off with the remnants of the 2008-09 financial crisis, but the economy slowly recovered, unlike the mid-1970s with stagflation.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/23/20 at 12:37 pm


I do notice some of the similarities, but the 1970s had more groundbreaking tech: the first mass-marketed video game (Pong), the first-ever game console (Odyssey), the invention of personal computers (like Altair 8800 and Apple II), and so on.

And the 2010s did start off with the remnants of the 2008-09 financial crisis, but the economy slowly recovered, unlike the mid-1970s with stagflation.
Yeah I absolutely agree that the 1970s comparison is really nothing but farfetched. If anything, the 2010s pulled the opposite of the 70s with liberal celebration and dance music in the first part, and a political meltdown and more serious music in the second.

Also how in the world can you call the decade where video games, personal computers, VHS, cassettes and walkmen first hit the market "a decade of technological stagnation"???

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/23/20 at 7:50 pm

Definitely 2018 imo. 2016 was the start of a very cynical, gloomy era similar to gen x’s grunge era of the 90’s. There was a sense of non conformity that started in 2016 imo. Culture became more darkish and a lot of 90’s/y2k influences began creeping up in 2016. Rihanna’s Anti album sounds a lot more darker and cynical compared to her previous work. Trap music began dominating  hip hop music  in 2016 and new artists were starting to make a name for themselves in 2016 /2017. 2014 had a more chill/brighter vibe that was influenced by party head millennials imo.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/23/20 at 8:19 pm


Culture became more darkish and a lot of 90’s/y2k influences began creeping up in 2016.

2016 wasn't particularly more dark than 2015. The tone of those two years are pretty interchangeable in my opnion. 90s influences (particularly in fashion and aesthetics) were already pretty ubiquitous by 2012, and I don't remember any Y2K influences in 2016 besides Meghan Trainor's hit single "No".


Trap music began dominating  hip hop music  in 2016 and new artists were starting to make a name for themselves in 2016 /2017.
Trap was also already dominating hip hop music by 2015 with hit singles like "The Hills", "Trap Queen", "CoCo" and "Whip Nae Nae".
I don't really remember many new names in 2016 trap to be honest. Desiigner and Lil Yachty are probably the biggest ones that come to mind. Migos already scored a hit back in 2013 with "Versace" and Rae Sremmurd did so in 2014 with "No Flex Zone".
2017 was indeed a much more changeful year in that regard.


Rihanna’s Anti album sounds a lot more darker and cynical compared to her previous work.

It's not particularly more dark in tone than her previous album "Unapologetic", it just had more minimalist productions and she toned down her vocals. Consider that she released this in 2013:
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While only a year before in 2012 she released this:
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And the difference is more stark.


Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/23/20 at 8:36 pm


2016 wasn't particularly more dark than 2015. The tone of those two years are pretty interchangeable in my opnion. 90s influences (particularly in fashion and aesthetics) were already pretty ubiquitous by 2012, and I don't remember any Y2K influences in 2016 besides Meghan Trainor's hit single "No".
Trap was also already dominating hip hop music by 2015 with hit singles like "The Hills", "Trap Queen", "CoCo" and "Whip Nae Nae".
I don't really remember many new names in 2016 trap to be honest. Desiigner and Lil Yachty are probably the biggest ones that come to mind. Migos already scored a hit back in 2013 with "Versace" and Rae Sremmurd did so in 2014 with "No Flex Zone".
2017 was indeed a much more changeful year in that regard.
It's not particularly more dark in tone than her previous album "Unapologetic", it just had more minimalist productions and she toned down her vocals. Consider that she released this in 2013:
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While only a year before in 2012 she released this:
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And the difference is more stark.


In terms of fashion there was tons of y2k influences in 2016. Rihanna even paid homage to lil kim’s late 90’s fashion in late 2015 which kind of influenced a lot of late 90’s/y2k fashion in 2016-2017
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/x17-galleries/2015/03/rihannawild032915_X17/full/RihannaPt2032915_01.jpg

2015 wasn’t dark and cynical in terms of music. Politically late 2015 was very dark imo. With all those racist videos surfacing the internet after Trump and the Paris terroist attacks. For the most part early to mid 2015 was not dark at all. Trap was not dominating hip hop in 2015. Edm was more influential towards hip hop in 2015. Look up hot 100 hip hop hits on the billboard charts for 2015 and trap was kind of non existent minus a few songs like Drakes Hotline bling and The Hills. Trap Queen is not much of a trap song to me tbh. It had its roots in 2014/2015 tho. Drake definitely influenced trap. In fact all the songs you mentioned were released in late 2015 early 2016 and made the 2016 billboard charts. Trap queen sounds nothing like trap of 2016 onwards. Modern Trap music dates back to 2014. Hip hop in 2015 was more edm inspired

Rihanna’s unapologetic album was more dark and cynical I agree given the album was supposed to accentuate her depression at the time. Her Talk that Talk album was released the same year and that sounds more brighter and less cynical.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/23/20 at 9:12 pm


It's not particularly more dark in tone than her previous album "Unapologetic", it just had more minimalist productions and she toned down her vocals. Consider that she released this in 2013:
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While only a year before in 2012 she released this:
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And the difference is more stark.

Her 2012 hit song Diamonds was her last electropop-driven hit despite being mid-tempo.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/23/20 at 9:35 pm


In terms of fashion there was tons of y2k influences in 2016. Rihanna even paid homage to lil kim’s late 90’s fashion in late 2015 which kind of influenced a lot of late 90’s/y2k fashion in 2016-2017
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/x17-galleries/2015/03/rihannawild032915_X17/full/RihannaPt2032915_01.jpg

Most of 2016 mainstream fashion and street wears still strongly leaned towards earthy hipstery aesthetics and the Coachella look. The difference with previous years is that pops of bright neon colors were a lot more fashionable again. If there were Y2K influences, they would have been minimal and unnoticeable at best.https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/17/ea/9117ea4869d8293e5bcbf6e189e737ec.jpg
https://cache.marieclaire.fr/data/photo/w700_c17/4k/coachella-simple.jpg

2015 wasn’t dark and cynical in terms of music.
That particular year in music definitely felt a lot more downbeat and spaced out compared to before. Songs like "Earned it", "Bad Blood", "Cool for the Summer", "Lean On", "Where Are Ü Now", "One Last Time", "Hello", "Fight Song", "Elastic Heart", "Talking Body" and "Good for You" all have verses with pretty sad undertones accentuated by minimalistic and airy buildups.

Trap was not dominating hip hop in 2015. Edm was more influential towards hip hop in 2015.
What are you talking about? EDM hardly had any influence on hip hop whatsoever. The closest would be Nicki Minaj's featuring on "Hey Mama".

Look up hot 100 hip hop hits on the billboard charts for 2015 and trap was kind of non existent minus a few songs like Drakes Hotline bling and The Hills.
I'm looking at it right now and I definitely see a fairly noticeable presence with hits like "678", "Bitch Better Have My Money", "7/11", "No Type", "All Eyes on You", "Only", "Nasty Feestyle", "Blessings" and "Tuesday". No doubt it was even more dominant in 2016 but things were already heading towards trap dominance in 2015.

Trap Queen is not much of a trap song to me tbh.
Then what is it? ??? It literally has trap in the name. Just because it has heavy poppy tendencies doesn't negate the fact that the beat pattern is 100% typical for trap.

In fact all the songs you mentioned were released in late 2015 early 2016 and made the 2016 billboard charts.
"Watch Me" and "CoCo" were both released in Spring 2015 and peaked in the summer of that year. "The Hills" peaked in the fall instead and still made it for the Year-End Chart of 2015 at #10.

Trap queen sounds nothing like trap of 2016 onwards.

Fetty Wap's diction on the song was a notorious inspiration for the mumble rap that came after it.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/23/20 at 9:40 pm

Yes, Trap Queen is trap song... Not only does it have the word trap in it, it is literally full of trap beats from start to finish.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 1:49 am


Most of 2016 mainstream fashion and street wears still strongly leaned towards earthy hipstery aesthetics and the Coachella look. The difference with previous years is that pops of bright neon colors were a lot more fashionable again. If there were Y2K influences, they would have been minimal and unnoticeable at best.https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/17/ea/9117ea4869d8293e5bcbf6e189e737ec.jpg
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That particular year in music definitely felt a lot more downbeat and spaced out compared to before. Songs like "Earned it", "Bad Blood", "Cool for the Summer", "Lean On", "Where Are Ü Now", "One Last Time", "Hello", "Fight Song", "Elastic Heart", "Talking Body" and "Good for You" all have verses with pretty sad undertones accentuated by minimalistic and airy buildups.
What are you talking about? EDM hardly had any influence on hip hop whatsoever. The closest would be Nicki Minaj's featuring on "Hey Mama".
I'm looking at it right now and I definitely see a fairly noticeable presence with hits like "678", "Bitch Better Have My Money", "7/11", "No Type", "All Eyes on You", "Only", "Nasty Feestyle", "Blessings" and "Tuesday". No doubt it was even more dominant in 2016 but things were already heading towards trap dominance in 2015.
Then what is it? ??? It literally has trap in the name. Just because it has heavy poppy tendencies doesn't negate the fact that the beat pattern is 100% typical for trap.
"Watch Me" and "CoCo" were both released in Spring 2015 and peaked in the summer of that year. "The Hills" peaked in the fall instead and still made it for the Year-End Chart of 2015 at #10.
Fetty Wap's diction on the song was a notorious inspiration for the mumble rap that came after it.


Idk remember anyone wearing stuff like that in 2016 Im also from California. I remember there was a trend were people were going platinum blonde and a lot of 90s fashion along with shell toe adidas were making a comeback. A lot of late 90’s/ y2k tommy hilfiger and CK was in fashion in 2016. Heck tommy hilfiger even brought back his limited edition 1997 fashion collection back in 2016.

So you mean to tell me “Post to be” by omarion isn’t edm inspired like Chris browns 2014 Loyal ? Justin Biebers “Where are ü now”, “What do u mean?” and “Sorry” Wasnt edm ? Nicki Minaj’s “Night is still young” wasn’t edm ? Chainsmokers “Roses” wasnt edm ? Wiz Khalifa’s “ See you again” wasn’t inspired by edm  ? Demi Lavato’s “Cool for the summer” wasn’t edm ? Big Sean’s “I don’t f**k with you” is not inspired by edm ? 

Fetty wap was a big inspiration but trap didn’t really blow up till 2016 tbh. I mean compare the 2015 charts to 2016 and there is a marketable difference. As I said earlier trap music was already beginning to take a new turn back in 2014 and by 2016 it was definitely mainstream. Mumble rap also blew up in 2016 as well.

Watch me is not a trap song lmao.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 2:06 am


Yes, Trap Queen is trap song... Not only does it have the word trap in it, it is literally full of trap beats from start to finish.


Yes I agree but to be honest it doesn’t sound like the trap of 2016-2018 tbh. Trap queen has more of an upbeat vibe. Where as a lot of  the trap music in 2018 was more darker and edgier imo. Idk 2015-2016 was super transitional but for the most part I still stand by my word that 2015 was more mid 2010’s while 2016 was more closer to 2018. I was in college in 2015-2016 as well so that may have something to do with my perception of culture.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 9:00 am

So you mean to tell me “Post to be” by omarion isn’t edm inspired like Chris browns 2014 Loyal ? Justin Biebers “Where are ü now”, “What do u mean?” and “Sorry” Wasnt edm ? Nicki Minaj’s “Night is still young” wasn’t edm ? Chainsmokers “Roses” wasnt edm ? Wiz Khalifa’s “ See you again” wasn’t inspired by edm  ? Demi Lavato’s “Cool for the summer” wasn’t edm ? Big Sean’s “I don’t f**k with you” is not inspired by edm ?
You were talking about EDM inspiration in hip hop though, I dunno why you bring up unrelated stuff like "Cool for the Summer" and Justin Bieber.

"Post to Be" and "I Don't F**k With You" are very typical DJ Mustard productions who is inspired by the hyphy genre, a type of hip hop from the West Coast. Those minimal highpitched beats are not really related to EDM at all.

"See You Again" is a completely average pop rap ballad. Nothing to do with EDM.

"Night is Still Young" is actually a good example of that and the only one I agree with, but it did just so-so in the charts anyway.


Watch me is not a trap song lmao.

It's heavily inspired by the Chicago bop scene, which is a type of trap.


Yes I agree but to be honest it doesn’t sound like the trap of 2016-2018 tbh. Trap queen has more of an upbeat vibe.

So? That doesn't negate the fact it has prominent trap beats/808s/subbass like any other trap song.
And it's not particularly more upbeat than "In My Feelings" and "Old Town Road" in my opinion.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: XYkid on 05/24/20 at 9:17 am

I would say 2018 because 2016 was when this trend in dark sounding and low tempo pop music began. That was the first sign that we were entering scary times and that is still felt to this day..

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/24/20 at 11:40 am


I would say 2018 because 2016 was when this trend in dark sounding and low tempo pop music began. That was the first sign that we were entering scary times and that is still felt to this day..


I see your point, but by 2018, the music scene was dominated by trap, and EDM wasn't as popular as it was back in 2014 and 2016 (Although there was Marshmello with his songs "FRIENDS" and "Happier").  So that's one of the main reasons why I found the year a bit closer to 2014, imo.

But I think there are strong opinions on both sides of this topic.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 11:40 am


I would say 2018 because 2016 was when this trend in dark sounding and low tempo pop music began. That was the first sign that we were entering scary times and that is still felt to this day..

Yeah exactly I remember this too. The tempo of music suddenly dropped below 100 bpm in 2016 and everything sounded slower and darker. Britney Spears song "Make Me" from 2016 is an example of that.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 11:41 am


I see your point, but by 2018, the music scene was dominated by trap, and EDM wasn't as popular as it was back in 2014 and 2016 (Although there was Marshmello with his songs "FRIENDS" and "Happier").  So that's one of the main reasons why I found the year a bit closer to 2014, imo.

But I think there are strong opinions on both sides of this topic.

There was no EDM in 2014 in pop music, it was teen pop. Same with 2015 mostly. The mainstream EDM trend started in 2016 and continued up until 2019. Even today it's not dead, Marshmello and Halsey just released an EDM song a few weeks ago called "Be Kind". Trap and EDM are both defining late 2010s trends. Only there was more trap in the latter half of the late 2010s, that's all.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/24/20 at 11:52 am


There was no EDM in 2014 in pop music, it was teen pop. Same with 2015 mostly. The mainstream EDM trend started in 2016 and continued up until 2019. Even today it's not dead, Marshmello and Halsey just released an EDM song a few weeks ago called "Be Kind". Trap and EDM are both defining late 2010s trends. Only there was more trap in the latter half of the late 2010s, that's all.


Um, what? There was EDM in pop music back in 2014. Cases in point:

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But I do agree with you with trap being a powerhouse in the late 2010s.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 11:54 am


Um, what? There was EDM in pop music back in 2014. Cases in point:
But I do agree with you with trap being a powerhouse in the late 2010s.

That is not the same EDM that got popular in 2016 and went on being the primary genre of the late 2010s. Those songs sound nothing like the EDM of 2016+.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 11:59 am


That is not the same EDM that got popular in 2016 and went on being the primary genre of the late 2010s. Those songs sound nothing like the EDM of 2016+.

It's not the primary genre of the late 2010s like it was in the early-mid 2010s. 2016 has more EDM songs making it closer to 2014 than 2018. The latter year doesn't have a lot of EDM songs besides FRIENDS and Happier, and they sound different from the EDM of 2016.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 12:02 pm


It's not the primary genre of the late 2010s like it was in the early-mid 2010s. 2016 has more EDM songs making it closer to 2014 than 2018. The latter year doesn't have a lot of EDM songs besides FRIENDS and Happier, and they sound different from the EDM of 2016.

There was no mainstream EDM in the early and mid 2010s. EDM was a late 2010s genre in all ways. And I'm not talking about those few songs the other user posted which were offshoots of electro-pop, I mean the late 2010s style EDM that exploded in 2016 and remained throughout the rest of the decade. That kind of EDM didn't exist in the mainstream prior to 2016. So I'll always associate EDM with late 2010s. I associate teen pop with the mid 2010s (2014 mainly). And I associate electro-pop with the early 2010s.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 12:07 pm


There was no mainstream EDM in the early and mid 2010s... EDM was a late 2010s genre in all ways. And I'm not talking about those few songs the other user posted, I mean the late 2010s style EDM that exploded in 2016 and remained throughout the rest of the decade. That kind of EDM didn't exist in the mainstream prior to 2016.

Then what do you consider songs like these:

We Found Love
Don't You Worry Child
Summer
Titanium
Party Rock Anthem
Turn Down For What

These are mainstream EDM songs of the early and mid 2010s, they were charting very high in that time. There were more EDM songs in that period than in the late 2010s. If you are talking about Dancehall-inspired EDM of 2016, that was short lived and only lasted till the first half of 2017. Trap and ambient pop ruled the late 2010s.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 12:10 pm


Then what do you consider songs like these:

We Found Love
Don't You Worry Child
Summer
Titanium
Party Rock Anthem
Turn Down For What

These are mainstream EDM songs of the early and mid 2010s, they were charting very high in that time. There were more EDM songs in that period than in the late 2010s. If you are talking about Dancehall-inspired EDM of 2016, that was short lived and only lasted till the first half of 2017.

I'm not talking about that style there was a different style of EDM that I'm talking about that was late 2010s that started in 2016 and EDM really exploded that year. I'm not talking about that or even offshoots of electro-pop. Most of those songs especially the ones from the early 2010s I consider electro-pop which is pretty different. Turn Down For What is probably the only one you put on there that is late 2010s style EDM but that song came out in late 2015 anyway which was already the transition to the late 2010s. 

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 12:14 pm


I'm not talking about that style there was a different style of EDM that I'm talking about that was late 2010s that started in 2016 and EDM really exploded that year. I'm not talking about that or even offshoots of electro-pop. Most of those songs especially the ones from the early 2010s I consider electro-pop which is pretty different. Turn Down For What is probably the only one you put on there that is late 2010s style EDM but that song came out in late 2015 anyway which was already the transition to the late 2010s.

Turn Down For What was a hit in 2014. Same thing with Dark Horse, which you would consider to be "late 2010s" EDM. These songs are Trap-EDM fusion, they have vocal chops which are extremely common in the genre. Chainsmokers song like Don't Let Me Down and Roses would've been released in 2014.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 12:17 pm


I'm not talking about that style there was a different style of EDM that I'm talking about that was late 2010s that started in 2016 and EDM really exploded that year. I'm not talking about that or even offshoots of electro-pop.

I think "future bass" is the name of the genre you're searching for.

It appeared in the mainstream around late 2014 and dominated the pop landscape by 2016. Here's an early example from 2014:
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Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 2:23 pm


You were talking about EDM inspiration in hip hop though, I dunno why you bring up unrelated stuff like "Cool for the Summer" and Justin Bieber.

"Post to Be" and "I Don't F**k With You" are very typical DJ Mustard productions who is inspired by the hyphy genre, a type of hip hop from the West Coast. Those minimal highpitched beats are not really related to EDM at all.

"See You Again" is a completely average pop rap ballad. Nothing to do with EDM.

"Night is Still Young" is actually a good example of that and the only one I agree with, but it did just so-so in the charts anyway.
It's heavily inspired by the Chicago bop scene, which is a type of trap.
So? That doesn't negate the fact it has prominent trap beats/808s/subbass like any other trap song.
And it's not particularly more upbeat than "In My Feelings" and "Old Town Road" in my opinion.


I brought those songs in to conclude my point that 2015 had more edm inspired pop unlike 2016 when pop started to be influenced by trap sounding beats.

Im also from the bay area which is where the hyphy movement originated. Those songs were not inspired by the hyphy movement at all and dj mustard is from LA 😂🤣  if you came here and said that, we’d all laugh at you lol. The beats that they used are extremely saturated in electronic sounding synths that was inspired by edm and electronica of the time hence the rave scene that became more popular around 2013.

See you again has an abundant amount of edm instruments used within the song such as sampler-sequencer, drum machine, bass line generator and drum machine which when amalgamated sounds very edm influenced despite it being a ballad.

808 drums are typical in southern hip hop
In general. You mean to tell me Juvinile’s “Back that azz up” is trap because it contains 808 drums and a sub bass ? Trap queen is def more upbeat than old town road lol.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 2:29 pm


Then what do you consider songs like these:

We Found Love
Don't You Worry Child
Summer
Titanium
Party Rock Anthem
Turn Down For What

These are mainstream EDM songs of the early and mid 2010s, they were charting very high in that time. There were more EDM songs in that period than in the late 2010s. If you are talking about Dancehall-inspired EDM of 2016, that was short lived and only lasted till the first half of 2017. Trap and ambient pop ruled the late 2010s.


That’s called electro pop which is different than edm. Edm is more apart of rave culture and dance music which includes more dj-ing as well. Electropop is more generic and has more synths.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 2:31 pm


I think "future bass" is the name of the genre you're searching for.

Perhaps but I think it's also EDM. Music sounded very different in 2016 that's all I know.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 2:32 pm


That’s called electro pop which is different than edm. Edm is more apart of rave culture and dance music which includes more dj-ing as well. Electropop is more generic and has more synths.

I'm sorry but those songs I listed are EDM. Electropop is a sub-genre of EDM as well.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 2:41 pm

Another reason I believe 2016 is a late 2010s year is because the trap actually did start to sound different, more dark and bass-infused than how it sounded in 2015 and 2014. And the tempo of music in general was slower and it started to get darker. But a year prior you still heard upbeat teen pop songs by Taylor Swift on the radio. It was a big difference in my opinion.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 2:46 pm


I'm sorry but those songs I listed are EDM. Electropop is a sub-genre of EDM as well.


I guess lmfao could be considered edm as well as Rihanna and Calvin Harris. But Titanium I thought would be electropop, Turn down for what is esm/dubstep

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 2:47 pm

2014, 2016, and 2018 are all different years and have a unique vibe. It's just that in 2016, EDM was more mainstream than it was in 2018, which brings it closer to 2014. The music of 2018 was dominated by Trap/Trap-fusions, which was getting popular in 2016 but it wasn't the majority of what was dominating at the time.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 2:53 pm


2014, 2016, and 2018 are all different years and have a unique vibe. It's just that in 2016, EDM was more mainstream than it was in 2018, which brings it closer to 2014. The music of 2018 was dominated by Trap/Trap-fusions, which was getting popular in 2016 but it wasn't the majority of what was dominating at the time.


I guess you can say that too, but I feel like edm was dying and on its last stretch in 2016  while trap infused beats were starting to be the new norm which wasn’t the case in 2014. Most of the edm songs in 2016 were released or recorded in late 2015 when edm was still prominent. 

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 2:55 pm


I guess you can say that too, but I feel like edm was dying and on its last stretch in 2016  while trap infused beats were starting to be the new norm which wasn’t the case in 2014. Most of the edm songs in 2016 were released or recorded in late 2015 when edm was still prominent.

EDM (the edm I'm thinking about) only started in 2016 and remained throughout the late 2010s only declining at the very end.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 2:56 pm


I brought those songs in to conclude my point that 2015 had more edm inspired pop unlike 2016 when pop started to be influenced by trap sounding beats.

If anything 2016 was much more saturated with EDM.


Im also from the bay area, those songs were not inspired by the hyphy movement at all dj mustard is from LA 😂🤣 and if you came here and said that, we’d all laugh at you lol.
Why laugh at me when DJ Mustard was literally christened as the reviver of the hyphy movement, lol? He might have modernized the genre with electronic sounds but the beat pattern of his productions is extremely reminiscent of the genre.


The beats that they used are extremely saturated in electronic sounding synths that was inspired by edm of the time hence the rave scene that became more popular around 2013.

Rave people on the other hand would laugh you out the building, lol Nothing about his stuff has anything to do with rave music.


See you again has an abundant amount of edm instruments used within the song such as sampler-sequencer, drum machine, bass line generator and drum machine which when amalgamated sounds very edm influenced despite it being a ballad.

None of these instruments are new to pop music or pop rap tho (drum machines are absolutely not unqiue to EDM), and it's definitely not structured as an EDM song to begin with.


808 drums are typical in southern hip hop
In general. You mean to tell me Juvinile’s “Back that azz up” is trap because it contains 808 drums and a sub bass ? Trap queen is def more upbeat than old town road lol.
And yes, since trap grew out of southern hip hop it has those elements plus a gritty triplet trap beat.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 3:15 pm


If anything 2016 was much more saturated with EDM.
Why laugh at me when DJ Mustard was literally christened as the reviver of the hyphy movement, lol? He might have modernized the genre with electronic sounds but the beat pattern of his productions is extremely reminiscent of the genre.
Rave people on the other hand would laugh you out the building, lol Nothing about his stuff has anything to do with rave music.
None of these instruments are new to pop music or pop rap tho (drum machines are absolutely not unqiue to EDM), and it's definitely not structured as an EDM song to begin with.
And yes, since trap grew out of southern hip hop it has those elements plus a gritty triplet trap beat.


Dj mustard was def not the revival of the hyphy sound, my gosh how old are you because you are making me feel old. The hyphy movement started with E-40, Keek da sneak, Too Short, Mac dre, Suga T, etc. the bay area’s hyphy movement had absolutely nothing to do with LA or Dj Mustard at all. He may have accentuated west coast city’s and styles in his beats but he was not a product of the bay area hyphy movement nor is he from the bay area.

REAL ravers who actually remember rave culture before the 2010’s would actually agree with me, they always complain about how mass produced rave culture/ electronic dance music became in the 2010’s and how generic it got around that time compared to the 80’s-2000’s. My mother was a hard raver in the early 90’s so I’m a bit familiar with the culture. It was so mass produced that they started to incorporate electronica and edm in pop songs and ballads such as the ones I mentioned. There is no doubt that those songs had fundamental edm/electronic inspired sounds to keep up with pop culture of the time.

Trap was already a thing in the 90’s albeit underground. Artists like T.I popularized the genre in the 2000’s. Compare T.I’s 2006 trap song “What you know about” to today’s trap music and there is a remarkable difference.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 3:21 pm


EDM (the edm I'm thinking about) only started in 2016 and remained throughout the late 2010s only declining at the very end.


If I may ask what edm are you thinking about ? I’m thinking mostly about Chainsmokers, Rihanna, Calvin Harris, Miley Cyrus, New Boyz “Backseat”, David Guetta, etc.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Slim95 on 05/24/20 at 3:25 pm


If I may ask what edm are you thinking about ? I’m thinking mostly about Chainsmokers, Rihanna, Calvin Harris, Miley Cyrus, New Boyz “Backseat”, David Guetta, etc.

It's not mid '10s it's late '10s starting in 2016. Chainsmokers got huge in 2016, not 2014. The Selfie song did not chart as long as Closer and Don't Let Me Down did. And the other people you mentioned did not put out the same style of EDM as what started in 2016.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 3:28 pm


Dj mustard was def not the revival of the hyphy sound, my gosh how old are you because you are making me feel old. The hyphy movement started with E-40, Keek da sneak, Too Short, Mac dre, Suga T, etc. the bay area’s hyphy movement had absolutely nothing to do with LA or Dj Mustard at all. He may have accentuated west coast city’s and styles in his beats but he was not a product of the bay area hyphy movement nor is he from the bay area.

Open a dictionary and search the word "inspiring", please.


REAL ravers who actually remember rave culture before the 2010’s would actually agree with me, they always complain about how mass produced rave culture/ electronic dance music became in the 2010’s and how generic it got around that time compared to the 80’s-2000’s. My mother was a hard raver in the early 90’s so I’m a bit familiar with the culture. It was so mass produced that they started to incorporate electronica and edm in pop songs and ballads such as the ones I mentioned. There is no doubt that those songs had fundamental edm/electronic inspired sounds to keep up with pop culture of the time.

Why are you always going on weird off tangents that have literally little to do with the original statement. You're the one here who just randomly mentioned rave culture on a bunch of electronic sounds on Mustard productions.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 3:33 pm


It's not mid '10s it's late '10s starting in 2016. Chainsmokers got huge in 2016, not 2014. The Selfie song did not chart as long as Closer and Don't Let Me Down did. And the other people you mentioned did not put out the same style of EDM as what started in 2016.

Selfie was a meme song, it wasn't supposed to last long. EDM stands for Electronic Dance Music, the songs I listed from the early mid 2010s both have an electronic and a dance groove.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 3:38 pm


Open a dictionary and search the word "inspiring", please.
Why are you always going on weird off tangents that have literally little to do with the original statement. You're the one here who just randomly mentioned rave culture on a bunch of electronic sounds on Mustard productions.

Lmao I don't know why Disney mentioned rave culture with DJ Mustard. The producer is all about hip hop. Crunk also had electronic beats, just because something has electronic beats doesn't mean it's associated with raving.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 3:51 pm


Open a dictionary and search the word "inspiring", please.
Why are you always going on weird off tangents that have literally little to do with the original statement. You're the one here who just randomly mentioned rave culture on a bunch of electronic sounds on Mustard productions.


What ? Lets stay on track here. You brought up DJ mustard first after I mentioned how the beats he produced were heavily edm influenced. You went off to say he was apart of the hyphy movement which he wasn’t and now you are trying to divert/change the topic by saying he was influenced by bay area music while simultaneously trying to manipulate my stance on what I had already concluded. I brought up rave culture because edm is apart of rave culture and in the mid 2010’s particularly from 2011-2016 rave culture accented in pop culture. I notice that when people have no more points to prove they go off into another dimension about what the other person is doing to totally drift from the subject at hand, so lets just agree to disagree. I didn’t go on a tangent, just trying to understand your perception of music lol. As I said I’m from the bay and was in college in 2015-2016 . I remember the era very well and was old enough to participate in the culture of that time.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 3:58 pm


Lol ok. I notice that when people have no more points to prove they go off into another dimension about what the other person is doing to totally drifts from the subject at hand, so lets just agree to disagree. I didn’t go on a tangent, just trying to understand your perception of music lol. As I said I’m from the bay and was in college in 2015-2016 . I remember the era very well and was ild enough to participate in the culture of that time.
Yes, your random rambling about rave culture was completely irrelevant with the ongoing discussion (which was about Mustard productions) and seemed more like a crutch for lack of arguments. And your lack of clarifying the link and this strawman post seem like another crutch.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 3:58 pm


Lmao I don't know why Disney mentioned rave culture with DJ Mustard. The producer is all about hip hop. Crunk also had electronic beats, just because something has electronic beats doesn't mean it's associated with raving.


I didn’t tho ? I said that hip hop contained edm inspired beats to keep up with the pop cultural sound of the times which was heavily inspired by rave culture hence edm. The songs I mentioned were produced by dj mustard as noted by mr.shruggie, I named songs such as “Post to be” by omarion and “Loyal” by chris brown. That’s the only point I was getting at.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 4:02 pm


Yes, your random rambling about rave culture was completely irrelevant with the ongoing discussion (which was about Mustard productions) and seemed more like a crutch for lack of arguments. And your lack of clarifying the link and this strawman post seem like another crutch.


No I included rave culture because rave culture was accented in the early to mid 2010’s hence the popularity in electro pop and edm during that time frame. Not much of a clutch but more so a fact. You brought up Mustard productions after I named a couple of songs that he produced in which I said was influenced by edm of the time (rave culture). It seems as if you’re trying to project  your ambiguous claims on to me by totally manipulating my stance at hand. But as I said earlier we can just agree to disagree :)

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 4:09 pm


What ? Lets stay on track here. You brought up DJ mustard first after I mentioned how the beats he produced were heavily edm influenced. You went off to say he was apart of the hyphy movement which he wasn’t and now you are trying to divert/change the topic by saying he was influenced by bay area music while simultaneously trying to manipulate my stance on what I had already concluded. I brought up rave culture because edm is apart of rave culture and in the mid 2010’s particularly from 2011-2016 rave culture accented in pop culture.
I said he was inspired by the movement's sound as a refute to your EDM influence. Literally never said he was apart of the original movement, that's just something you randomly concluded for some reason and went with.

I brought up rave culture because edm is apart of rave culture and in the mid 2010’s particularly from 2011-2016 rave culture accented in pop culture.
Well, your first mention of "rave" insinuated that Mustard was influenced by it somehow. Fault on the sentence structure I guess.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 4:15 pm


I said he was inspired by the movement's sound as a refute to your EDM influence. Literally never said he was apart of the original movement, that's just something you randomly concluded for some reason and went with.
Well, your first mention of "rave" insinuated that Mustard was influenced by it somehow. Fault on the sentence structure I guess.


I refuted your original statement that he was influenced by the hyphy movement when in deed his productions sound nothing like  bay area music. My only point I made was that hip hop songs during 2014-2015 was inspired more so by edm rather than trap. Songs such as Loyal by chris brown and Post to be by Omarion has edm infused beats and electronic sounds incorporated in them. You went on a random rambling about dj mustard not me. Edm is a genre popular in the rave scene as I stated earlier so in a way yes he was inspired by rave music in some of his hits. He even performed at EDC in Las Vegas a few times. I don’t know where you are going with this argument lol.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/24/20 at 4:20 pm


I refuted your original statement that he was influenced by the hyphy movement when in deed his productions sound nothing like  bay area music. My only point I made was that hip hop songs during 2014-2015 was inspired more so by edm rather than trap. Songs such as Loyal by chris brown and Post to be by Omarion has edm infused beats and electronic sounds incorporated in them. You went on a random rambling about dj mustard not me. Edm is a genre popular in the rave scene as I stated earlier so in a way yes he was inspired by rave music in some of his hits. He even performed at EDC in Las Vegas a few times. I don’t know where you are going with this argument lol.

There are plenty of rap songs in 2014-15 that have trap beats:

No Type
Hot N***a
Lifestyle
Tuesday
Coco
Nasty Freestyle
Cut Her Off
Throw Sum Mo
No Flex Zone
Trap Queen

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/24/20 at 4:26 pm


No I included rave culture because rave culture was accented in the early to mid 2010’s hence the popularity in electro pop and edm during that time frame. Not much of a clutch but more so a fact. You brought up Mustard productions after I named a couple of songs that he produced in which I said was influenced by edm of the time (rave culture). It seems as if you’re trying to project  your ambiguous claims on to me by totally manipulating my stance at hand. But as I said earlier we can just agree to disagree :)
What ambiguous claims lol. The way you put down that point was just confusing and hard to follow.


I refuted your original statement that he was influenced by the hyphy movement when in deed his productions sound nothing like  bay area music. My only point I made was that hip hop songs during 2014-2015 was inspired more so by edm rather than trap. Songs such as Loyal by chris brown and Post to be by Omarion has edm infused beats and electronic sounds incorporated in them. You went on a random rambling about dj mustard not me. Edm is a genre popular in the rave scene as I stated earlier so in a way yes he was inspired by rave music in some of his hits. He even performed at EDC in Las Vegas a few times. I don’t know where you are going with this argument lol.
And all I said is that I disagreed with those DJ Mustard productions being EDM influenced (those minimal electronic beats are clearly hip hop ones), and he is indeed in general influenced by hyphy. That was my point.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 4:59 pm


There are plenty of rap songs in 2014-15 that have trap beats:

No Type
Hot N***a
Lifestyle
Tuesday
Coco
Nasty Freestyle
Cut Her Off
Throw Sum Mo
No Flex Zone
Trap Queen


Yes and the same rule applies to 2013-2014 as well, it still doesn’t mean it was a dominant form of hip hop and we also have to look at how the genre evolved. You named a few trap songs that were mostly released in 2014 and some in 2015 out of many other hip hop songs released in the 2014-2015 year.

Trey songs- NaNa

Jerimiah- Don’t tell em

Nicki Minaj- Truffle butter, The night is still young, Anaconda

Iggy Azalea- Fancy

Nicki minaj- Pills and Potions

Migos- Fight Night

August Alsina- Numb

Y.G- I just wanna party, Left Right, Bicken Back Being Bool, My n**ga, etc.

Dj Khaled- Hold you down

Tinashe - 2 on

Tyga- B**ch im the sh*t

There’s more lol.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/24/20 at 5:42 pm


What ambiguous claims lol. The way you put down that point was just confusing and hard to follow.
And all I said is that I disagreed with those DJ Mustard productions being EDM influenced (those minimal electronic beats are clearly hip hop ones), and he is indeed in general influenced by hyphy. That was my point.


I don’t really understand how it was hard to follow, you started bringing in claims that didn’t really pertain to what we were talking about and so I was basically following your lead with the conversation. All I did was name songs that he produced in which had edm and electro beats/synths I even incorporated other songs that weren’t produced by him to prove my claim. My original claim was that hip hop as a whole had more edm influence than trap influences during that time  and you went on about DJ mustards inspiration with the hyphy movement and what not. That was your clutch not mine. As I said earlier I grew up in the hyphy era of the late 90’s to mid 2000’s and am from San Francisco. I only gave cultural background as to what edm was and the culture it originated from which is rave culture. So many hip hop artists were performing at raves during the mid 2010’s.

Your claims were ambiguous as they did not pertain to our original argument. You went off about the hyphy movement which has nothing to do with DJ mustard nor 2010’s hip hop in general. If I may ask what songs of his are influenced by that era ? I would like to check them out.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Early2010sGuy on 05/24/20 at 10:43 pm


EDM (the edm I'm thinking about) only started in 2016 and remained throughout the late 2010s only declining at the very end.
Bruh.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Early2010sGuy on 05/24/20 at 10:56 pm

As a follow up comment, the DJ Snake beat was first popular in late 2013, something that you'd hear a lot even as late as 2018, which started with Turn Down For What. However, it wasn't the standard until Mid 2015 when Lean On came in as a huge hit, which the dance hall trend later influences artists like Justin Bieber, Drake, Ed Sheeran, etc.

Also, Calvin Harris changed from an Electropop-inspired style to a more tropical setting, How Deep Is Your Love, released in 2015, sounds very similar to songs like This Is What You Came For or One Kiss.

Also, Future Bass started in Mid 2015 as well, You Know You Like It started it and that song was very popular in Summer 2015. It was then the Chainsmokers and Marshmello hopped onto the trend.

All the stuff I mentioned didn't just magically appear in 2016, it all became standard in Summer 2015, with some 2013-14 origins.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: batfan2005 on 05/25/20 at 8:04 am


Yes I agree but to be honest it doesn’t sound like the trap of 2016-2018 tbh. Trap queen has more of an upbeat vibe. Where as a lot of  the trap music in 2018 was more darker and edgier imo. Idk 2015-2016 was super transitional but for the most part I still stand by my word that 2015 was more mid 2010’s while 2016 was more closer to 2018. I was in college in 2015-2016 as well so that may have something to do with my perception of culture.


2017 was when I retired from the Navy so it was big change/transition in my personal life, which could be why my perception of pop culture was that it was changing. Same thing with 1997, the year I graduated high school and enlisted in the Navy at end of the year, and went through so much in between.


Another reason I believe 2016 is a late 2010s year is because the trap actually did start to sound different, more dark and bass-infused than how it sounded in 2015 and 2014. And the tempo of music in general was slower and it started to get darker. But a year prior you still heard upbeat teen pop songs by Taylor Swift on the radio. It was a big difference in my opinion.


2016 still had a lot of the upbeat teen pop songs like Daya'a "Sit Still, Look Pretty" or "Hands to Myself" by Selena Gomez. 2017 was when I noticed the "Bad and Boujee" and "Bodak Yellow" trap sound in addition to Latin pop like "Despacito" and "Mi Gente".

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/25/20 at 4:54 pm


2017 was when I retired from the Navy so it was big change/transition in my personal life, which could be why my perception of pop culture was that it was changing. Same thing with 1997, the year I graduated high school and enlisted in the Navy at end of the year, and went through so much in between.


Not trying to deviate from the topic at hand, but thanks for your service!  :)

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/25/20 at 7:30 pm


2017 was when I retired from the Navy so it was big change/transition in my personal life, which could be why my perception of pop culture was that it was changing. Same thing with 1997, the year I graduated high school and enlisted in the Navy at end of the year, and went through so much in between.

2016 still had a lot of the upbeat teen pop songs like Daya'a "Sit Still, Look Pretty" or "Hands to Myself" by Selena Gomez. 2017 was when I noticed the "Bad and Boujee" and "Bodak Yellow" trap sound in addition to Latin pop like "Despacito" and "Mi Gente".


Congratulations from retiring from the navy ! Yeah I find personal life transitions can change one’s perception on the pop culture around them. For an example grade school kids in the 90’s-2000’s may have felt different transitions every year considering they transitioned into something new every school year. Not to mention time is a lot slower when you are around that age for some reason 😅 But to your average 28 years old in 1995, 1997 may have seemed little to no different in terms of culture and our way of living. I personally believe 2016-2017 was a major transitional period tho and it made room for new artists to carve their name in the stone.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/25/20 at 7:49 pm


As a follow up comment, the DJ Snake beat was first popular in late 2013, something that you'd hear a lot even as late as 2018, which started with Turn Down For What. However, it wasn't the standard until Mid 2015 when Lean On came in as a huge hit, which the dance hall trend later influences artists like Justin Bieber, Drake, Ed Sheeran, etc.

Also, Calvin Harris changed from an Electropop-inspired style to a more tropical setting, How Deep Is Your Love, released in 2015, sounds very similar to songs like This Is What You Came For or One Kiss.

Also, Future Bass started in Mid 2015 as well, You Know You Like It started it and that song was very popular in Summer 2015. It was then the Chainsmokers and Marshmello hopped onto the trend.

All the stuff I mentioned didn't just magically appear in 2016, it all became standard in Summer 2015, with some 2013-14 origins.


I agree with some of this although DJ mustard’s career goes further back than 2013. He was producing number 1 songs like Rack City by Tyga in 2011 as well as YG’s 2011 “Bi**hes aint sh!t” He produced 2 chainz “I’m different” in 2012 as well as songs for other rappers that year that were on the radio.

Future bass is edm. But I get what you mean, the style changed around 2015 or at least that style became more prevalent in pop music around 2015 but future bass was already dominating in 2013-2014 in certain areas like the UK. But by 2016 it definitely exploded. Everything has its roots im the early mid 2010’s just evolved around 2016ish.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/25/20 at 9:54 pm

Personally, regardless of the early/mid/late formula, I'd probably divide the 2010s cultural eras as something like this:

2009-2014
2014-2018
2018-2020

In 2018, TikTok and Fortnite became popular, more people started mentioning Gen Z (instead of just lumping them with "Millennials"), pop culture and music got even more depressing than 2016-2017 (which people didn't think was even possible), and the political polarization that started in 2014-2015 and peaked in 2016-2017 began to cool down somewhat. 2018 felt like the start of a new era.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Rainbowz on 05/26/20 at 8:40 am


Personally, regardless of the early/mid/late formula, I'd probably divide the 2010s cultural eras as something like this:

2009-2014
2014-2018
2018-2020

In 2018, TikTok and Fortnite became popular, more people started mentioning Gen Z (instead of just lumping them with "Millennials"), pop culture and music got even more depressing than 2016-2017 (which people didn't think was even possible), and the political polarization that started in 2014-2015 and peaked in 2016-2017 began to cool down somewhat. 2018 felt like the start of a new era.

So would you say late 2018 is the start of a new era since you have 2018 grouped in two columns? Cause TikTok became available in the United States on August 2nd 2018. Pre-TikTok 2018 was basically the same as 2017.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Dundee on 05/26/20 at 9:12 am




I don’t really understand how it was hard to follow, you started bringing in claims that didn’t really pertain to what we were talking about and so I was basically following your lead with the conversation. All I did was name songs that he produced in which had edm and electro beats/synths I even incorporated other songs that weren’t produced by him to prove my claim. My original claim was that hip hop as a whole had more edm influence than trap influences during that time  and you went on about DJ mustards inspiration with the hyphy movement and what not. That was your clutch not mine.

Your claims were ambiguous as they did not pertain to our original argument. You went off about the hyphy movement which has nothing to do with DJ mustard nor 2010’s hip hop in general. If I may ask what songs of his are influenced by that era ? I would like to check them out.
I perfectly explained my stance on hyphy. How did that not pertain not to the argument lmao. Now you're not making any sense. Your unexplained, sudden mention of rave culture at some point came indeed as random and confusing. You are the one here who's being ambiguous, not me.

As I said earlier I grew up in the hyphy era of the late 90’s to mid 2000’s and am from San Francisco. I only gave cultural background as to what edm was and the culture it originated from which is rave culture. So many hip hop artists were performing at raves during the mid 2010’s.
So? As said, his productions are definitely inspired by that same hyphy movement. This has been even covered in plenty of articles and he has even a whole entire (sourced) section on the hyphy Wikipedia page.
If you disagree with that, then more power to you. But there's plenty of evidence that back that off.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/26/20 at 9:32 am

Please don't continue the argument guys. We all know DJ Mustard is associated with the West Coast sound.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/26/20 at 9:48 am


So would you say late 2018 is the start of a new era since you have 2018 grouped in two columns? Cause TikTok became available in the United States on August 2nd 2018. Pre-TikTok 2018 was basically the same as 2017.


I would say so. TikTok was popular in late 2018, but it became a global, sociocultural powerhouse by summer 2019.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/26/20 at 10:00 am


I would say so. TikTok was popular in late 2018, but it became a global, sociocultural powerhouse by summer 2019.

Unlike today, it was kinda easy to ignore TikTok in late 2018/early 2019 because so many people were trashing it. Like you said, summer 2019 was when TikTok became a household name.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/26/20 at 10:21 am


Unlike today, it was kinda easy to ignore TikTok in late 2018/early 2019 because so many people were trashing it. Like you said, summer 2019 was when TikTok became a household name.


Lol, I still ignore it because I find most TikTok videos annoying.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Philip Eno on 05/26/20 at 10:45 am


Lol, I still ignore it because I find most TikTok videos annoying.
Over the last weekend, I was a witness to people dancing on TikTok, not only it was annoying it was boring too!

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/26/20 at 11:42 am

I remember when Future Bass was everywhere in 2016-2017. It was used in a lot of videos.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Sman12 on 05/26/20 at 1:45 pm


Over the last weekend, I was a witness to people dancing on TikTok, not only it was annoying it was boring too!


I'm sorry that your eyes had to see that.  :o

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Philip Eno on 05/26/20 at 1:48 pm


I'm sorry that your eyes had to see that.  :o
...and ears!

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: batfan2005 on 05/26/20 at 2:28 pm


Not trying to deviate from the topic at hand, but thanks for your service!  :)



Congratulations from retiring from the navy ! Yeah I find personal life transitions can change one’s perception on the pop culture around them. For an example grade school kids in the 90’s-2000’s may have felt different transitions every year considering they transitioned into something new every school year. Not to mention time is a lot slower when you are around that age for some reason 😅 But to your average 28 years old in 1995, 1997 may have seemed little to no different in terms of culture and our way of living. I personally believe 2016-2017 was a major transitional period tho and it made room for new artists to carve their name in the stone.


Thank you both!

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/26/20 at 8:15 pm


I perfectly explained my stance on hyphy. How did that not pertain not to the argument lmao. Now you're not making any sense. Your unexplained, sudden mention of rave culture at some point came indeed as random and confusing. You are the one here who's being ambiguous, not me.
So? As said, his productions are definitely inspired by that same hyphy movement. This has been even covered in plenty of articles and he has even a whole entire (sourced) section on the hyphy Wikipedia page.
If you disagree with that, then more power to you. But there's plenty of evidence that back that off.


Lol ok and the same way you went off about the hyphy movement is the same way I talked about edm being rave music/culture and how the rave scene influenced pop culture of the early to mid 10’s. The only difference was you didn’t really know much about the hyphy movement. Everyone knows LA was known for gangsta rap and g-funk while the bay was known for hyphy. You went off about a bay area movement after I stated how his songs have edm inspired beats in them (nothing more nothing less). I went on to specify the roots of edm—-> rave culture. You didn’t “perfectly” explain your stance on hyphy, you gave us a run around excuse about DJ mustard being apart of the hyphy movement to him being influenced by it after I corrected you. You did this as a way to counter argue my claim as to why I felt Dj Mustard had edm beats in his music and how his production was inspired by the popular genre (EDM) of the time (mid 10’s). Never did I say he wasn’t influenced by the hyphy movement. You can still be influenced by a movement while incorporating remnants of what’s popular into your music. In turn I gave you a fact sheet on bay area hyphy artists. Now you are trying to manipulate the argument again by making it seem as if I don’t make sense, passively tarnishing my stance and conclusion to make yourself feel more right. I get it, defense mechanisms come in handy. However your comments are here for everyone to read as are mine lol. You keep going in different directions with this argument and I’m getting lost as to what your final conclusion is.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: DisneysRetro on 05/26/20 at 8:17 pm


Please don't continue the argument guys. We all know DJ Mustard is associated with the West Coast sound.


Im over it, there’s nothing left to argue tbh. I’ve read the debate three times and it’s taxing.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 05/27/20 at 9:29 am


I do notice some of the similarities, but the 1970s had more groundbreaking tech: the first mass-marketed video game (Pong), the first-ever game console (Odyssey), the invention of personal computers (like Altair 8800 and Apple II), and so on.

And the 2010s did start off with the remnants of the 2008-09 financial crisis, but the economy slowly recovered, unlike the mid-1970s with stagflation.


True. But compared to the 1960s (Color television, 'Space Race', Microwaves etc.) and especially the 1980s (PCs, game consoles becoming ubiquitous, cable television, etc.), the 1970s were rather slower in technological progression. We don't know how the 2020s will turn out, but the 2010s were similar in it's tepid stagnation, compared to the more rapid changes in the 1990s and 2000s. However, I will admit that the last few years of the 2010s kind of reckoned back to the Late 2000s in innovation.

As for economics, once again, the Late 2010s saw the economy start to recover again. Yeah there was technically a recovery throughout the entirety of the 2010s, but it was a rather stagnant recovery. Look at year to year GDP rates in the Early-Mid 2010s, and compare those to GDP rates of other economic recoveries in history, and you'll notice how slow this one was. Hence why when pollsters asked Americans, even well into the 2010s, "Are we still in a recession?, they would overwhelmingly answer 'Yes'.

There was even some semblance of the 1970s as it pertained to the major volatility of oil prices. I remember gas still costing upwards of $3 a gallon upto at least 2014/2015 or so. Then you had a crash in the oil markets in 2015-2017, resulting in cheaper gas prices, only for prices to tick back up in Late 2017/Early 2018. Those oil prices finally began to stabilize into a sense of 'normalcy' by the 2018/2019 timeframe (although, they have been crashing ever since Russia and Saudi Arabia began a 'price war', not to mention many people refraining from traveling due to the Covid19 pandemic). Once again, that being in the Late 2010s.

I think if one were to chop out the Late 2010s (aka, the 'Trump era') out of the 2010s decade from a cultural perspective, the similarities between the 1970s and the 2010s begin to become even more eerily similar. I think the rapidness of the Late 2010s, emblematic of the economy rebounding, technology making some big leaps, rapidly changing pop culture (from Millennial culture to Z culture) and the turbulent Trump administration & subsequent 24/7 news cycle detailing it, sort of caught the decade 'up to speed', per say.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 05/27/20 at 9:44 am


2017 was when I retired from the Navy so it was big change/transition in my personal life, which could be why my perception of pop culture was that it was changing. Same thing with 1997, the year I graduated high school and enlisted in the Navy at end of the year, and went through so much in between.

2016 still had a lot of the upbeat teen pop songs like Daya'a "Sit Still, Look Pretty" or "Hands to Myself" by Selena Gomez. 2017 was when I noticed the "Bad and Boujee" and "Bodak Yellow" trap sound in addition to Latin pop like "Despacito" and "Mi Gente".


Congrats man :).

Perhaps celebrate with a cold one while in quarantine, a Corona perhaps ;).

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Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/27/20 at 4:39 pm


2017 was when I retired from the Navy so it was big change/transition in my personal life, which could be why my perception of pop culture was that it was changing. Same thing with 1997, the year I graduated high school and enlisted in the Navy at end of the year, and went through so much in between.

2016 still had a lot of the upbeat teen pop songs like Daya'a "Sit Still, Look Pretty" or "Hands to Myself" by Selena Gomez. 2017 was when I noticed the "Bad and Boujee" and "Bodak Yellow" trap sound in addition to Latin pop like "Despacito" and "Mi Gente".

Bad and Boujee came out in early 2016. However, it wasn't until December 2016 that it became a huge internet meme, perhaps giving credence to the Late 2016 Shift idea. ;D

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: mc98 on 05/27/20 at 6:52 pm


Bad and Boujee came out in early 2016. However, it wasn't until December 2016 that it became a huge internet meme, perhaps giving credence to the Late 2016 Shift idea. ;D

Not really, it came out in August 2016.

Subject: Re: Culture of 2016: More like 2014 or 2018?

Written By: Rainbowz on 05/27/20 at 7:21 pm


Bad and Boujee came out in early 2016. However, it wasn't until December 2016 that it became a huge internet meme, perhaps giving credence to the Late 2016 Shift idea. ;D

Early 2016? Bruh what?

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