The CDC yesterday just came out and said if you’re fully vaccinated, you don’t need a mask.

What say you? ???

Even if fully vaccinated you can still catch Covid-19 or any of the variants, and suffering to an less extent. The virus is still with us, so in order to be safe, is to keep wearing a mask.

Even if fully vaccinated you can still catch Covid-19 or any of the variants, and suffering to an less extent. The virus is still with us, so in order to be safe, is to keep wearing a mask.


Forever and ever and ever.

Forever and ever and ever.
Like the annual flu jab, it will be an annual booster for Covid-19.

Like the annual flu jab, it will be an annual booster for Covid-19.


When I'm forced to by policemen, maybe. I've never gotten a flu shot, either, and somehow, magically, I've survived every damn flu season as has everyone I've known. My 92 year old grandfather hasn't gotten a flu shot ever, either...He's still kicking.

The CDC yesterday just came out and said if you’re fully vaccinated, you don’t need a mask.

What say you? ???

I think it's only in tight close places that you need to wear a mask but other than that, you can remove them.

The CDC yesterday just came out and said if you’re fully vaccinated, you don’t need a mask.

What say you? ???


The CDC isn't very smart.  Even if I'm fully vaccinated I'll still wear a mask just because it's what I'm used to doing.

The CDC isn't very smart.  Even if I'm fully vaccinated I'll still wear a mask just because it's what I'm used to doing.

I, too, have been accustomed to doing so.

There are still guidelines/mandates in effect in my state, county, and general area that haven't lifted it yet. I'm fully vaxxed and I will continue to wear my face coverings when I go out in public and have to be around others.

I, too, have been accustomed to doing so.

There are still guidelines/mandates in effect in my state, county, and general area that haven't lifted it yet. I'm fully vaxxed and I will continue to wear my face coverings when I go out in public and have to be around others.


For the rest of your life?

The CDC isn't very smart.  Even if I'm fully vaccinated I'll still wear a mask just because it's what I'm used to doing.


For the rest of your life, as well? Mask never coming off, no matter what, ever again?

The CDC isn't very smart.  Even if I'm fully vaccinated I'll still wear a mask just because it's what I'm used to doing.

It's what we were doing when this pandemic had started but now there are some places where you have to keep your mask on and others where you can take them off.

It's what we were doing when this pandemic had started but now there are some places where you have to keep your mask on and others where you can take them off.

Exactly.

For the rest of your life?


Well, maybe not forever.  But you know what? I wouldn't take what the CDC says too seriously.  I'm still going to follow all of the mask guidelines until I don't have to do it anymore.

It's what we were doing when this pandemic had started but now there are some places where you have to keep your mask on and others where you can take them off.


I continue to wear my protection. I don’t want to mess up my life over an indiscretion. So I play it safe.  8)

I continue to wear my protection. I don’t want to mess up my life over an indiscretion. So I play it safe.  8)

Exactly, until you know it's safe to keep it off altogether.

Well, maybe not forever.  But you know what? I wouldn't take what the CDC says too seriously.  I'm still going to follow all of the mask guidelines until I don't have to do it anymore.

I continue to wear my protection. I don’t want to mess up my life over an indiscretion. So I play it safe.  8)


Exactly, until you know it's safe to keep it off altogether.


I agree completely! O0 O0 O0

I’m fully vaxed too but I don’t feel safe without a mask. Like Philip said, you can still get it. I’m not taking chances. It doesn’t mean forever but this thing is still going strong from what I can see. The CDC say one thing then change it to another. Maybe they should have thunk ahead last spring and things wouldn’t have got this bad... And no I don’t think people should be forced to get the jab but at least keep your distance from others, say 12 feet not 6. For me personally anyway.

I think eventually people won't be wearing masks anymore, I'm sure Dr.Fauci will let us know.

I think eventually people won't be wearing masks anymore, I'm sure Dr.Fauci will let us know.


But if people keep wearing masks, they’ll be ready if a new virus comes along.

But if people keep wearing masks, they’ll be ready if a new virus comes along.


I'm not sure that's looking at it from the correct side. It's more like "if people continue wearing masks it may prevent or slow the spread of another virus". I can understand some people's desire to rip off these masks and run wild in the streets after all we've been through, but I have said for at least 15 years that the wearing of masks in extremely crowded and close quarters like urban public transportation, like the Japanese do, is a very smart thing. It would be like putting on a coat when it's cold out. Nobody is twisting your arm, you just know when to do it and when not to.

But if people keep wearing masks, they’ll be ready if a new virus comes along.


Of if Covid mutates into something the shot is no longer effective against. Which is only a matter of time.

All of this is just ridiculous. It's almost like people forgot we have immune systems. A person should not be forced to take the vaccine or wear a mask, period!

But if people keep wearing masks, they’ll be ready if a new virus comes along.

Just save the face masks for the doctor's office.

All of this is just ridiculous. It's almost like people forgot we have immune systems. A person should not be forced to take the vaccine or wear a mask, period!

Right, it's their prerogative.

All of this is just ridiculous. It's almost like people forgot we have immune systems. A person should not be forced to take the vaccine or wear a mask, period!


I don't feel like I'm being "forced" to wear a mask just like I don't feel like I'm being "forced" to take a vaccine.  I want the vaccine because, at this point, I don't feel safe without either of the two. Like it or not it's my choice to decide, of my own free will, whether or not I want to take the vaccine.  I just want that extra layer of protection that comes with getting a dose of a vaccine that will keep me from getting sick and out of the hospital emergency room.  Which are already over capacity with COVID patients.

I don't feel like I'm being "forced" to wear a mask just like I don't feel like I'm being "forced" to take a vaccine.  I want the vaccine because, at this point, I don't feel safe without either of the two. Like it or not it's my choice to decide, of my own free will, whether or not I want to take the vaccine.  I just want that extra layer of protection that comes with getting a dose of a vaccine that will keep me from getting sick and out of the hospital emergency room.  Which are already over capacity with COVID patients.

The vaccine should be a choice both sides respect but unfortunately those who don't take it out of choice are being shamed and accused of being murderers pretty much.

The vaccine should be a choice both sides respect but unfortunately those who don't take it out of choice are being shamed and accused of being murderers pretty much.


I look at it similar to the vaccines you need in order to attend public school. Plenty of people don’t have their kids get them, and use other options such as home school. That’s actually a tougher scenario because you can’t just opt out of school. There will be limitations to what you can attend if you choose not to COVID vaccinate, but you can have your own fun or with your friends.

I got the vaccine for myself, nobody else. If I didn’t, it wouldn’t change anything in my life. I won’t get on a plane anyway, and most of my work is anti mask/vaccine. The concerts I see are typically at casinos, which are about the loosest places when it comes to rules, they even allow smoking when it’s banned by the state.

The vaccine should be a choice both sides respect but unfortunately those who don't take it out of choice are being shamed and accused of being murderers pretty much.


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Can you give me the number of the person who said this to you? This is some fine tea.

Anyway I actually agree with the CDC. Your chances of getting infected are minimal if you are vaccinated. However, mask mandates should probably stay in place since most the population is still not vaccinated, and you can't tell who is vaccinated or not.

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Can you give me the number of the person who said this to you? This is some fine tea.

Anyway I actually agree with the CDC. Your chances of getting infected are minimal if you are vaccinated. However, mask mandates should probably stay in place since most the population is still not vaccinated, and you can't tell who is vaccinated or not.


Agreed.  While it's true that your chances of getting sick with the virus diminish if you're fully or half vaccinated I would still prefer to stay safe and still wear a mask indoors even if I'm fully vaccinated.  It's like I said the CDC aren't very smart and I would prefer not to take, what I feel, are unnecessary risks.

I look at it similar to the vaccines you need in order to attend public school. Plenty of people don’t have their kids get them, and use other options such as home school. That’s actually a tougher scenario because you can’t just opt out of school. There will be limitations to what you can attend if you choose not to COVID vaccinate, but you can have your own fun or with your friends.

I got the vaccine for myself, nobody else. If I didn’t, it wouldn’t change anything in my life. I won’t get on a plane anyway, and most of my work is anti mask/vaccine. The concerts I see are typically at casinos, which are about the loosest places when it comes to rules, they even allow smoking when it’s banned by the state.

I got the vaccine because I wanted to and I had to wait for an appointment opening which took a little while but I got it and I feel nothing!

I’m fully vaxed too but I don’t feel safe without a mask. Like Philip said, you can still get it. I’m not taking chances. It doesn’t mean forever but this thing is still going strong from what I can see. The CDC say one thing then change it to another. Maybe they should have thunk ahead last spring and things wouldn’t have got this bad... And no I don’t think people should be forced to get the jab but at least keep your distance from others, say 12 feet not 6. For me personally anyway.


It will be around forever. You will be wearing a mask, as such, forever. You've bought into it. It's not coming off. Ever.

Like, you're using the kind of language an ex uses to their ex: "I'm not saying forever, but we're probably not getting back together." So basically, putting aside the BS, forever.

Sad that freedom is dead in the name of fear.

Agreed.  While it's true that your chances of getting sick with the virus diminish if you're fully or half vaccinated I would still prefer to stay safe and still wear a mask indoors even if I'm fully vaccinated.  It's like I said the CDC aren't very smart and I would prefer not to take, what I feel, are unnecessary risks.

Agree!

Agree!


For the rest of your life as well, wearing a mask in every indoor setting? Ah, drones, drones, drones.

For the rest of your life as well, wearing a mask in every indoor setting? Ah, drones, drones, drones.

NO!!! Dude just a little while until I feel it’s safe for me.

For all of you servants of fear, you who would push a new form of serfdom on everyone else:

How do you know a mask is enough? Even with being fully vaccinated, those ULTRA DEADLY particles could seep through.

Why not a double mask, to be on the safe side? I mean, the CDC says one is okay but do they really know anything against this, the most deadly virus in the history of the human race? No! Only fear knows best.

But wait! Why stop at two when you could have three masks?

Better yet, even, why not a steel reinforced mask, permanently attached to your face? The air you breathe in your home, after all, cannot ever fully be protected from the air outside - that dreadful, panic inducing, germ and Covid ridden air that WILL, of course, strike you down, since this is the deadliest pandemic in history! Why, even the Bubonic Plague pales in comparison - but I digress -

Why not a full body suit, with a mask underneath, just to be TRULY SAFE?

Why not seal your windows, doors and any and all exit points fully with reinforced steel, too, to protect against even the tiniest germ or particle from coming in from the outside?

How can you know even then if you truly safe from this virus?

And even then, even if you take all these precautions, someone could be walking on the street and have COVID without a mask, and your triple mask might have some sort of defect somewhere, if you happen to even breathe same air as them (maybe we need to walk a mile apart, 12 feet cannot surely be enough), you're dead!

Which means we must make a mask mandate, to be worn at all times, even in the home, mandatory, on penalty of death. It is the only way to be truly safe.

Am I right or am I right?

For all of you servants of fear, you who would push a new form of serfdom on everyone else:

How do you know a mask is enough? Even with being fully vaccinated, those ULTRA DEADLY particles could seep through.

Why not a double mask, to be on the safe side? I mean, the CDC says one is okay but do they really know anything against this, the most deadly virus in the history of the human race? No! Only fear knows best.

But wait! Why stop at two when you could have three masks?

Better yet, even, why not a steel reinforced mask, permanently attached to your face? The air you breathe in your home, after all, cannot ever fully be protected from the air outside - that dreadful, panic inducing, germ and Covid ridden air that WILL, of course, strike you down, since this is the deadliest pandemic in history! Why, even the Bubonic Plague pales in comparison - but I digress -

Why not a full body suit, with a mask underneath, just to be TRULY SAFE?

Why not seal your windows, doors and any and all exit points fully with reinforced steel, too, to protect against even the tiniest germ or particle from coming in from the outside?

How can you know even then if you truly safe from this virus?

And even then, even if you take all these precautions, someone could be walking on the street and have COVID without a mask, and your triple mask might have some sort of defect somewhere, if you happen to even breathe same air as them (maybe we need to walk a mile apart, 12 feet cannot surely be enough), you're dead!

Which means we must make a mask mandate, to be worn at all times, even in the home, mandatory, on penalty of death. It is the only way to be truly safe.

Am I right or am I right?


You don't like wearing a mask. We get that. But to try to ridicule those who want to continue to wear masks is totally uncalled for. Just a bit of a reminder to you, there once was a board member who was banned for doing just that. You might want to read the rules again. Especially Rule #2.


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You don't like wearing a mask. We get that. But to try to ridicule those who want to continue to wear masks is totally uncalled for. Just a bit of a reminder to you, there once was a board member who was banned for doing just that. You might want to read the rules again. Especially Rule #2.


Cat


It is not ridicule, it is taking the argument for them to the utmost extreme. But I understand, I will fall in line and speak no further on the topic. I am silenced. Dissent is not to be heard, disagreement not brooked. You can only have "the right views" on this matter, after all.

It is not ridicule, it is taking the argument for them to the utmost extreme. But I understand, I will fall in line and speak no further on the topic. I am silenced. Dissent is not to be heard, disagreement not brooked. You can only have "the right views" on this matter, after all.



Having an opposing opinion is fine but you didn't state YOUR opinion. You were ridiculing others for having a different opinion than you have.


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Having an opposing opinion is fine but you didn't state YOUR opinion. You were ridiculing others for having a different opinion than you have.


Cat


My opinion is that people are caving into fear and it is allowing them to give up their rights and freedom for some security. I believe strongly in personal freedom, in social matters and especially in this matter I am a Libertarian. It is not my business who a person marries, what they identify as, or who they love. That is their concern, and I would make no attempt to infringe upon their rights.

This virus, in my opinion, is being used to infringe upon my rights - and that is where I draw the line. I believe in Darwinism, as well, survival of the fittest; it is one of the cornerstones of science. It is what allowed our species to evolve from primitive primates to what we are now. To throw out Darwinism is to cherry pick Science.

I also believe, having had this virus, having known quite a few who have, that it is overblown, overhyped, and has people terrified for very little valid reason. Every person I've known who had it - older 65+ people, sickly people, obese people - described it as either flu-like in nature, a rather nasty sinus or chest infection, or just a nasty cold.

For such I don't believe we should utterly and completely and permanently change American society. I do not care what is done in other countries; that doesn't effect me. I am a native of my locality first and foremost, and my locality had the most botched handling of this.

If these changes to life were limited to others' choices, that would be their business; I would have no problem with them. But these changes are being forced upon me, and that is what I take umbrage with.

My opinion is that people are caving into fear and it is allowing them to give up their rights and freedom for some security. I believe strongly in personal freedom, in social matters and especially in this matter I am a Libertarian. It is not my business who a person marries, what they identify as, or who they love. That is their concern, and I would make no attempt to infringe upon their rights.

This virus, in my opinion, is being used to infringe upon my rights - and that is where I draw the line. I believe in Darwinism, as well, survival of the fittest; it is one of the cornerstones of science. It is what allowed our species to evolve from primitive primates to what we are now. To throw out Darwinism is to cherry pick Science.

I also believe, having had this virus, having known quite a few who have, that it is overblown, overhyped, and has people terrified for very little valid reason. Every person I've known who had it - older 65+ people, sickly people, obese people - described it as either flu-like in nature, a rather nasty sinus or chest infection, or just a nasty cold.

For such I don't believe we should utterly and completely and permanently change American society. I do not care what is done in other countries; that doesn't effect me. I am a native of my locality first and foremost, and my locality had the most botched handling of this.

If these changes to life were limited to others' choices, that would be their business; I would have no problem with them. But these changes are being forced upon me, and that is what I take umbrage with.



If you believe in personal freedom, doesn't that mean that people are free to wear masks if they want to?


Cat

If you believe in personal freedom, doesn't that mean that people are free to wear masks if they want to?


Cat


They do, but it's coming at my expense. I have to go get a vaccine I do not want, essentially by force, or else I am prohibited from taking part in most aspects of public life without a mask - permanently. Do you really think they will change the rules, ever, to say someone without the vaccine can partake in society without a mask? I don't. I see it becoming perhaps mandatory, or perhaps your vaccination status being used to ostacricize you further from society, perhaps blacklisting you from employment. I can easily foresee your vaccine card being mandatory at the door of any public place - in much the same way, say, ID is required at the door of a bar.

Not only that, but the absolute and utter terror of this has made it so clubs will never truly reopen. House parties and things like that will never, ever truly happen again. Social activities of most kinds are over. And that is how the fear of others effects me, and it makes me resent them.

They do, but it's coming at my expense. I have to go get a vaccine I do not want, essentially by force, or else I am prohibited from taking part in most aspects of public life without a mask - permanently. Do you really think they will change the rules, ever, to say someone without the vaccine can partake in society without a mask? I don't. I see it becoming perhaps mandatory, or perhaps your vaccination status being used to ostacricize you further from society, perhaps blacklisting you from employment. I can easily foresee your vaccine card being mandatory at the door of any public place - in much the same way, say, ID is required at the door of a bar.

Not only that, but the absolute and utter terror of this has made it so clubs will never truly reopen. House parties and things like that will never, ever truly happen again. Social activities of most kinds are over. And that is how the fear of others effects me, and it makes me resent them.


Others wearing masks is NOT at your expensive. Businesses and such have the right to mandate if they like: "No shoes, no shirt, (no mask,) no service". That is NOT set by individuals-especially not individuals on this board.

I don't see how people wearing masks are forcing you to get a vaccine. That argument doesn't make any sense. That is comparing apples and oranges. As for vaccine mandate, that is is totally different issue and has nothing to do with people wearing masks-even after they get vaccinated.


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Others wearing masks is NOT at your expensive. Businesses and such have the right to mandate if they like: "No shoes, no shirt, (no mask,) no service". That is NOT set by individuals-especially not individuals on this board.

I don't see how people wearing masks are forcing you to get a vaccine. That argument doesn't make any sense. That is comparing apples and oranges. As for vaccine mandate, that is is totally different issue and has nothing to do with people wearing masks-even after they get vaccinated.


Cat


So you do agree that never again will anyone be allowed to take part in any indoor activity without either a mask or a vaccination - forever?

It forces me to because this is an eternal, non-ending state of affairs. For the rest of my natural life I am barred from going anywhere, unless I get a vaccine. It will never go back to how it was, as most don't want it to and wish to force this brave new world on others.

For the rest of your life as well, wearing a mask in every indoor setting? Ah, drones, drones, drones.


Drone? No! Until I'm feeling a bit safer to take it off and keep it off I will keep it on until then.

For all of you servants of fear, you who would push a new form of serfdom on everyone else:

How do you know a mask is enough? Even with being fully vaccinated, those ULTRA DEADLY particles could seep through.

Why not a double mask, to be on the safe side? I mean, the CDC says one is okay but do they really know anything against this, the most deadly virus in the history of the human race? No! Only fear knows best.

But wait! Why stop at two when you could have three masks?

Better yet, even, why not a steel reinforced mask, permanently attached to your face? The air you breathe in your home, after all, cannot ever fully be protected from the air outside - that dreadful, panic inducing, germ and Covid ridden air that WILL, of course, strike you down, since this is the deadliest pandemic in history! Why, even the Bubonic Plague pales in comparison - but I digress -

Why not a full body suit, with a mask underneath, just to be TRULY SAFE?

Why not seal your windows, doors and any and all exit points fully with reinforced steel, too, to protect against even the tiniest germ or particle from coming in from the outside?

How can you know even then if you truly safe from this virus?

And even then, even if you take all these precautions, someone could be walking on the street and have COVID without a mask, and your triple mask might have some sort of defect somewhere, if you happen to even breathe same air as them (maybe we need to walk a mile apart, 12 feet cannot surely be enough), you're dead!

Which means we must make a mask mandate, to be worn at all times, even in the home, mandatory, on penalty of death. It is the only way to be truly safe.

Am I right or am I right?

Now you're just being silly.  ::)

I don't believe people who say they are doing it protect other people.

I don't believe people who say they are doing it to protect other people.


Well, that's okay.  You don't have to believe me when I say what I wear a mask for.

Well, that's okay.  You don't have to believe me when I say what I wear a mask for.

And even if it were the case, the fact that you feel the need to protect others by wearing a mask still stems from fear and what the media pumps out.

I don’t feel I’m living in fear by putting on a mask or getting a vaccine. If anything it makes for less fear. Just reasonable safety measures for the times. Just like in my car I put my seat belt on. Does that mean I’m living in fear? Nope. Just a reasonable safety measure. Neither a mask or seatbelt is 100% effective, but it sure does help.

I don’t feel I’m living in fear by putting on a mask or getting a vaccine. If anything it makes for less fear. Just reasonable safety measures for the times. Just like in my car I put my seat belt on. Does that mean I’m living in fear? Nope. Just a reasonable safety measure. Neither a mask or seatbelt is 100% effective, but it sure does help.

Driving a car isn't mandatory for survival though and it is a luxury.. Simply going to the grocery store to shop for food is. Another thing is wearing masks all the time can weaken your immune system since you are not allowing it to work. You can't really compare the two. Putting something on your face all the time isn't the same as putting on a seatbelt while going somewhere.

I also don't really know anyone who is very bothered by wearing seatbelts at least not as much as it is bothersome to wear a mask.

Driving a car isn't mandatory for survival though and it is a luxury.. Simply going to the grocery store to shop for food is. Another thing is wearing masks all the time can weaken your immune system since you are not allowing it to work. You can't really compare the two. Putting something on your face all the time isn't the same as putting on a seatbelt while going somewhere.

I also don't really know anyone who is very bothered by wearing seatbelts at least not as much as it is bothersome to wear a mask.


Maybe in urban areas. But around here public transit is nonexistent, things aren’t in walking distance, and there’s snow 8 months of the year. You have to know someone if you can’t drive for yourself. However you can get curbside pickup for most things including groceries, so you don’t have to go inside.

I know many people who are bothered by seatbelts. I am too, always pulling it off my neck. A mask is more comfortable than a seat belt. I don’t wear it all the time but I do at work and in stores.

Different strokes for different folks.

And even if it were the case, the fact that you feel the need to protect others by wearing a mask still stems from fear and what the media pumps out.



Okay, I don't even know how to formulate a proper response to this so I'm going to go through this as well as I can.

I've been wearing a mask since last year.  Not out of fear but out of necessity.  If I didn't wear a mask I couldn't go anywhere in this town.  Grocery stores, pharmacies, restaurants, banks all have mask mandates not out of fear but out of necessity.

I'm getting "the jab" in 3 weeks again not because I'm scared but because I want to get it done and over with since I've been waiting for my age group to be eligible for it 40+.  Anybody who doesn't want the jab doesn't have to get it. But they should be prepared to not be able to do anything in the coming years because they're unvaccinated and they're maskless.  That's just the bottom line.

And every news outlet in Toronto and the area are just being super dramatic about it.  I for one don't think that I'm being forced to wear a mask anymore than I'm being forced to get "the jab" just because they have it and I want it.

Okay, I don't even know how to formulate a proper response to this so I'm going to go through this as well as I can.

I've been wearing a mask since last year.  Not out of fear but out of necessity.  If I didn't wear a mask I couldn't go anywhere in this town.  Grocery stores, pharmacies, restaurants, banks all have mask mandates not out of fear but out of necessity.

I'm getting "the jab" in 3 weeks again not because I'm scared but because I want to get it done and over with since I've been waiting for my age group to be eligible for it 40+.  Anybody who doesn't want the jab doesn't have to get it. But they should be prepared to not be able to do anything in the coming years because they're unvaccinated and they're maskless.  That's just the bottom line.

And every news outlet in Toronto and the area are just being super dramatic about it.  I for one don't think that I'm being forced to wear a mask anymore than I'm being forced to get "the jab" just because they have it and I want it.

The part in bold goes against basic human rights.

I don't believe people who say they are doing it protect other people.

I think they're doing it to protect themselves.

Okay, I don't even know how to formulate a proper response to this so I'm going to go through this as well as I can.

I've been wearing a mask since last year.  Not out of fear but out of necessity.  If I didn't wear a mask I couldn't go anywhere in this town.  Grocery stores, pharmacies, restaurants, banks all have mask mandates not out of fear but out of necessity.

I'm getting "the jab" in 3 weeks again not because I'm scared but because I want to get it done and over with since I've been waiting for my age group to be eligible for it 40+.  Anybody who doesn't want the jab doesn't have to get it. But they should be prepared to not be able to do anything in the coming years because they're unvaccinated and they're maskless.  That's just the bottom line.

And every news outlet in Toronto and the area are just being super dramatic about it.  I for one don't think that I'm being forced to wear a mask anymore than I'm being forced to get "the jab" just because they have it and I want it.


Would you support them being put into mandatory, permanent quarantine ala Typhoid Mary? What should they not be allowed to do, specifically? How would this be enforced? Should there be prison sentences for it?

Would you support them being put into mandatory, permanent quarantine ala Typhoid Mary? What should they not be allowed to do, specifically? How would this be enforced? Should there be prison sentences for it?

Typhoid is a bacterial infection, caused by not washing your hands after an infected person after they have been to the toilet.

Covid-19 and the variants, spread mainly between people who are in close contact with each other, typically within 1 metre (short-range). A person can be infected when aerosols or droplets containing the virus are inhaled or come directly into contact with the eyes, nose, or mouth.

With using a mask against Typhoid will not suffice.

This two conditions Typhoid (digestion) and Covid-19 (respiratory) are not in common with each other.

Typhoid is a bacterial infection, caused by not washing your hands after an infected person after they have been to the toilet.

Covid-19 and the variants, spread mainly between people who are in close contact with each other, typically within 1 metre (short-range). A person can be infected when aerosols or droplets containing the virus are inhaled or come directly into contact with the eyes, nose, or mouth.

With using a mask against Typhoid will not suffice.

This two conditions Typhoid (digestion) and Covid-19 (respiratory) are not in common with each other.


Thank you Philip. 

I wear a mask because it makes me feel safe, and also because the government says I have to.  If one day the government here says I no longer have to, I will still wear one.  I will only stop wearing a mask until I hear 100% confirmation that COVID is gone for good and the world is officially back to normal, which may still be a few years ahead

I wear a mask because it makes me feel safe, and also because the government says I have to.  If one day the government here says I no longer have to, I will still wear one.  I will only stop wearing a mask until I hear 100% confirmation that COVID is gone for good and the world is officially back to normal, which may still be a few years ahead


Me too.  I'll keep wearing a mask even if I'm fully vaccinated.

I wear a mask because it makes me feel safe, and also because the government says I have to.  If one day the government here says I no longer have to, I will still wear one.  I will only stop wearing a mask until I hear 100% confirmation that COVID is gone for good and the world is officially back to normal, which may still be a few years ahead

Right, always keep it on for that just in case.

Me too.  I'll keep wearing a mask even if I'm fully vaccinated.


I won't.

I won't.
Please watch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE6L-4tO-rs

Even if fully vaccinated you can still catch Covid-19 or any of the variants, and suffering to an less extent. The virus is still with us, so in order to be safe, is to keep wearing a mask.

I disagree with that. We have to go back to regular life some time and MASKS BREAK MY SKIN OUT! When the time comes most places make it optional, I'm ditching that damn thing.

When I'm forced to by policemen, maybe. I've never gotten a flu shot, either, and somehow, magically, I've survived every damn flu season as has everyone I've known. My 92 year old grandfather hasn't gotten a flu shot ever, either...He's still kicking.

Your immune system thanks you dearly!!!!!!

I won't.

That's everyone's prerogative.

I disagree with that. We have to go back to regular life some time and MASKS BREAK MY SKIN OUT! When the time comes most places make it optional, I'm ditching that damn thing.

That's why in some places they will slowly ease away the mask mandates for those who are fully vaccinated.

I won't.


You don't have to wear one.

I won't.
It is your own choice.

It is your own choice.

No one is forcing anyone keep your mask on, it's your own decision.

Your immune system thanks you dearly!!!!!!


Well, I believe toughing out stuff actually does make the immune system stronger.
It's my personal belief. I don't think one should SEEK germs or filth but one shouldn't be afraid of them either. Your body will adapt, that's one of the wonderful things about being human. We adapt. We're quite adaptable. I think flu vaccines and such weaken our natural systems. As I said in another post, I don't even take a Tylenol for a headache. I will only take an NSAID or any OTC if I develop a high fever. I try my best to let my body work out whatever it's fighting by itself, without me helping it, it'll grow stronger and more immune to things.

I have dealt with infections my entire life. I had chronic ear infections as a child monthly; at the change of every season I develop a sinus or strep infection. Usually these come and go without me needing antibiotics, which I much prefer not having to take if I don't have to.

As to THIS Orwellian vaccine?

If not taking it restricts my ability to do things, I will take it but only after a few years when I have some ideas about longer term effects of it. It's still in my opinion an experimental drug. I would rather not be a guinea pig.

Look at the Swine Flu vaccine in the middle 1970s. Ended up killing or disabling more people than it helped (gave over 600 people Guillen Barr syndrome which pretty much paralyzes you). Killed more than actual Swine Flu did here in the 70s.

Look at the Swine Flu vaccine in the middle 1970s. Ended up killing or disabling more people than it helped (gave over 600 people Guillen Barr syndrome which pretty much paralyzes you). Killed more than actual Swine Flu did here in the 70s.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.html

Read to the end to find this quote “ Studies suggest that it is more likely that a person will get GBS after getting the flu than after vaccination. It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and death are associated with flu, and getting vaccinated is the best way to prevent flu infection and its complications.”

Undoubtedly people were affected by the vaccine. Another report gives some stats “ More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died”. And it is true that in this case only a handful of people died of swine flu. But the vaccine was developed because there was a misunderstanding of previous flu pandemics and this was expected to be similar to the Spanish flu of 1918. In the end it turned out to not as severe as first thought. You can’t say that about COVID-19 can you?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.html

Read to the end to find this quote “ Studies suggest that it is more likely that a person will get GBS after getting the flu than after vaccination. It is important to keep in mind that severe illness and death are associated with flu, and getting vaccinated is the best way to prevent flu infection and its complications.”

Undoubtedly people were affected by the vaccine. Another report gives some stats “ More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died”. And it is true that in this case only a handful of people died of swine flu. But the vaccine was developed because there was a misunderstanding of previous flu pandemics and this was expected to be similar to the Spanish flu of 1918. In the end it turned out to not as severe as first thought. You can’t say that about COVID-19 can you?


After seeing how my own mother's death from renal failure was used to inflate COVID numbers, I'm skeptical of a good quarter of the deaths. After seeing what went on in my own state (which I witnessed) with the nursing homes as well, I'm skeptical. I was working in a nursing home when we had a tractor trailer out back with bodies of the dead thrown unceremoniously on the floor. And when we suddenly had an influx of patients whom I was told were COVID and had no business being there since it was a rehab/nursing care facility.

When I saw with my own eyes one COVID death being fabricated as a "formality", it made question the numbers.

Did some sickly people with weaker immune systems or who had underlying issues which made them vulnerable to dying of things like the flu die because of COVID? Yes. Is it a real virus? Yes, I did have it, I am not going to deny it's real.

But is it anything as bad as the media has made people believe? I honestly do not believe so.

When the vaccine has been on the market a few years and has been proven not to screw with people in the long run, I'll happily get it. I've no desire to be a guinea pig.

Well, I believe toughing out stuff actually does make the immune system stronger.
It's my personal belief. I don't think one should SEEK germs or filth but one shouldn't be afraid of them either. Your body will adapt, that's one of the wonderful things about being human. We adapt. We're quite adaptable. I think flu vaccines and such weaken our natural systems. As I said in another post, I don't even take a Tylenol for a headache. I will only take an NSAID or any OTC if I develop a high fever. I try my best to let my body work out whatever it's fighting by itself, without me helping it, it'll grow stronger and more immune to things.

I have dealt with infections my entire life. I had chronic ear infections as a child monthly; at the change of every season I develop a sinus or strep infection. Usually these come and go without me needing antibiotics, which I much prefer not having to take if I don't have to.

As to THIS Orwellian vaccine?

If not taking it restricts my ability to do things, I will take it but only after a few years when I have some ideas about longer term effects of it. It's still in my opinion an experimental drug. I would rather not be a guinea pig.

Look at the Swine Flu vaccine in the middle 1970s. Ended up killing or disabling more people than it helped (gave over 600 people Guillen Barr syndrome which pretty much paralyzes you). Killed more than actual Swine Flu did here in the 70s.


A fever is your immune system at work. I prefer to let a fever run it’s course, meaning it’s fighting things off. Taking fever reducing drugs kinda defeats the purpose.

A fever is your immune system at work. I prefer to let a fever run it’s course, meaning it’s fighting things off. Taking fever reducing drugs kinda defeats the purpose.


It's something I was raised with (parents were nurses) that I haven't fully cast enough - You have a high headache (say above 101) you take a Tylenol. Similarly my mother's little home things for a sinus infection like sitting in a steam or Vick's are things I'll very rarely engage in. Hard to fully discard lifelong practices.

But yeah I do try to avoid doctors and medicine as much as possible. I was in the doctor literally EVERY month or so as a child with those ear infections - I got my pediatric record from my doctor - Having the tymphanogram machine every once in my ears. I grew up to be a Hypochondriac teen. As I've gotten older it's more of "Life's too short to worry attitude." If I don't feel well, I stay home (whether it is from work or from life in general) to not be a public threat to others. But I also don't freak out.

The only times in any recent time I even got worried was when I had a 103.8 fever in December 2019 and could barely walk, and when I actually had COVID and had a 103.8 fever again. I wasn't worried about the fever so much as the fact that they took my pulse and it was 150. It was important to me to lower that heart rate to prevent potential heart damage or failure. I didn't even know I had a fever when I had Covid until they took my temperature. It felt like a bit nastier than the sinus/flu type infections I'm more than used to.

That's why in some places they will slowly ease away the mask mandates for those who are fully vaccinated.

Including some parts of the US, as more and more people become fully vaccinated.

Including some parts of the US, as more and more people become fully vaccinated.


https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/e011b73/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5431x3765+0+0/resize/840x582!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fb6%2Ff9%2Ff74cbf281ccabc35c1579cc22bdc%2F6f676cbaafb4402f976e0025daf0ad64
And then these signs will be taken down.

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And then these signs will be taken down.

Let's hope! I'm getting tired of wearing masks and social distancing.

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And then these signs will be taken down.


Maybe not necessarily.  It's up to the owners of stores if they want you to still wear a mask to shop in their store.  At the same time though, they would probably lose business if they did that, so it will be interesting to see what happens as time goes on

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/e011b73/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5431x3765+0+0/resize/840x582!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fb6%2Ff9%2Ff74cbf281ccabc35c1579cc22bdc%2F6f676cbaafb4402f976e0025daf0ad64
And then these signs will be taken down.


Don't count on it. It will be, at least it will be in Ontario, until the end of the summer before we can be maskless.  But I would prefer to keep wearing a mask even after I'm fully vaccinated.

To those in the US.

Did you get your vaccine via medical insurance or was provided for free in your state?

If it is mainly paid for by medical insurance how do people without medical insurance get a vaccine?

Let's hope! I'm getting tired of wearing masks and social distancing.

I know Slim, I don't blame you, I'm sure the majority of people are tired of masking up and social distancing.

To those in the US.

Did you get your vaccine via medical insurance or was provided for free in your state?

If it is mainly paid for by medical insurance how do people without medical insurance get a vaccine?

All I needed to show was some I.D. and they took me stuck me with a needle, And after that they gave me a vaccination card for me to keep.

To those in the US.

Did you get your vaccine via medical insurance or was provided for free in your state?

If it is mainly paid for by medical insurance how do people without medical insurance get a vaccine?

No insurance necessary. It’s for free. However, some company pays the pharmacies if insurance doesn’t. One goes in, fills out paperwork and gets the dose. I’m not sure who/what pays it but citizens don’t.

To those in the US.

Did you get your vaccine via medical insurance or was provided for free in your state?

If it is mainly paid for by medical insurance how do people without medical insurance get a vaccine?


It's free to the public = Uncle Sam pays

I thought I had read that here but wanted to check before I posted it as gospel on another discussion group

Well, I don't care what happens after I'm fully vaccinated.  I'm still going to wear a mask and keep my distance.

Well, I don't care what happens after I'm fully vaccinated.  I'm still going to wear a mask and keep my distance.

That's what I'm going to do too until it's safe to finally get rid of the mask altogether.

At work today they tried to do an anonymous survey of the vaccination picture. A simple nameless card with 3 check boxes for yes, no, or yes in the future, and put them in a drop box. Like I figured, about 3/4 of my department went into an uproar about it. It’s funny, the people who preach that nobody should be privy of their view on the vaccine, are the loudest ones. Going on every day about it on company time, trying to push their views onto others, sending political emails on the company server, printing and posting these on walls. You don’t have to dig or guess their opinion. They will make sure you know.

That’s why I keep a mask on. More often than not, the unmasked are the unvaccinated.

At work today they tried to do an anonymous survey of the vaccination picture. A simple nameless card with 3 check boxes for yes, no, or yes in the future, and put them in a drop box. Like I figured, about 3/4 of my department went into an uproar about it. It’s funny, the people who preach that nobody should be privy of their view on the vaccine, are the loudest ones. Going on every day about it on company time, trying to push their views onto others, sending political emails on the company server, printing and posting these on walls. You don’t have to dig or guess their opinion. They will make sure you know.

That’s why I keep a mask on. More often than not, the unmasked are the unvaccinated.

They did the same thing at our workplace when I was working, they had every worker fill out a Yes/No questionnaire, fill it out & put it in the dropbox.

To those in the US.

Did you get your vaccine via medical insurance or was provided for free in your state?

If it is mainly paid for by medical insurance how do people without medical insurance get a vaccine?


I got mine free from the VA (Veteran's Administration).

That's what I'm going to do too until it's safe to finally get rid of the mask altogether.

I'm going to hold on to mine (that is, keep 'em in my possession) as long as needed.

I'm going to hold on to mine (that is, keep 'em in my possession) as long as needed.

I keep mine and wash them after a couple of uses.

I keep mine and wash them after a couple of uses.


Mine is made out of cloth so I can wear it over and over again and I can wash it over and over again.

I keep mine and wash them after a couple of uses.

I wash each of mine after one use.

After I wear one, I put it in a ziploc bag; I put several of them in there until it gets full (usually about 4 or 5 of them), then I wash them and hang 'em to dry.

I keep mine and wash them after a couple of uses.


I spray mine with disinfectant and let it dry.

I'm going to burn mine as soon as Costco and all the other big box stores drop their mask requirements for entry.

I wash each of mine after one use.

After I wear one, I put it in a ziploc bag; I put several of them in there until it gets full (usually about 4 or 5 of them), then I wash them and hang 'em to dry.

Sometimes I keep forgetting to wash mine.

I spray mine with disinfectant and let it dry.


What kind of disinfectant? Lysol type household disinfectant? I would strongly suggest not doing that. That stuff is very toxic to breath in. Just because it dries on the mask doesn't mean it's gone. Just rinse them out with plain old soap or laundry detergent which is a lot less toxic.

What kind of disinfectant? Lysol type household disinfectant? I would strongly suggest not doing that. That stuff is very toxic to breath in. Just because it dries on the mask doesn't mean it's gone. Just rinse them out with plain old soap or laundry detergent which is a lot less toxic.


Never knew that. I see people spray it into the air all the time. Like in a bathroom.

Never knew that. I see people spray it into the air all the time. Like in a bathroom.


Spraying it into the air isn't quite the same as inhaling it into your lungs at close range from a mask. Although  it isn't good to breathe for long periods even when it's just sprayed in the air. Take a look at the container. I'm sure it will say something about "not to be inhaled". Right around where it also says "avoid contact with skin and eyes".

What kind of disinfectant? Lysol type household disinfectant? I would strongly suggest not doing that. That stuff is very toxic to breath in. Just because it dries on the mask doesn't mean it's gone. Just rinse them out with plain old soap or laundry detergent which is a lot less toxic.

And try to soak it in the hottest water.