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Subject: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/06/21 at 11:27 am

This sounds like The Who stampede back in ‘79.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/astroworld-houston-deaths-travis-scott/index.html

Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/07/21 at 4:06 am

Fox News reports that there were 528 cops on duty at the event.  :o

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/travis-scott-astroworld-deaths-preceded-fan-injuries-2019?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR2n-VG2PXnT4cWACbOHvJ8fixw6bvB5n0CAbxxhXnTEBnToftaypXhWMVw

What kind of show requires that sort of manpower for security? ???


Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: Sman12 on 11/07/21 at 1:44 pm

This is a horrific, but avoidable tragedy. It looks like everyone, from Travis Scott still playing his show while ambulances were trying to get to the unconscious and injured to the organizers not controlling the flow of people and being more vigilant for security checkpoints is at fault here. But my condolences go out to the victims' families and speedy recoveries to the injured.

Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/07/21 at 2:09 pm


This is a horrific, but avoidable tragedy. It looks like everyone, from Travis Scott still playing his show while ambulances were trying to get to the unconscious and injured to the organizers not controlling the flow of people and being more vigilant for security checkpoints is at fault here. But my condolences go out to the victims' families and speedy recoveries to the injured.


Playing an event to 50,000 people in what essentially was a big parking lot gives you an idea of what sort of IQ Travis Scott possesses.  ::)

They’re gonna sue his butt off.

Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: Voiceofthe70s on 11/07/21 at 3:32 pm


Playing an event to 50,000 people in what essentially was a big parking lot gives you an idea of what sort of IQ Travis Scott possesses.  ::)

They’re gonna sue his butt off.


It was largely the promoter's (i.e. Live Nation)  fault. Bob Lefsetz has this to say about it:

https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/2021/11/06/astroworld/

Excerpt:

Astroworld

Now what?

Used to be the promoter went bankrupt, families argued with insurance companies for years and by the time settlements were made no one was paying attention. But that was back before Bob Sillerman started rolling up the regional promoters in 1996, ultimately resulting in two powerhouse promotion companies, AEG and Live Nation, the latter of which is a publicly traded company.

On the surface it appears it was an independent promoter, unknown to most, ScoreMoreShows. But dig a little deeper and you’ll find that Live Nation purchased the company back in 2018: https://bit.ly/3BKmXx6 I.e. Astroworld was a Live Nation show.

So… There are insurance issues, and if policies don’t cover the loss, Live Nation has deep enough pockets to do so itself. However, what will be the stain on the company, to what degree will its stock take a hit?

Well, if we look at Facebook, the stock dips for a brief period of time and then goes sky high once again, because it all comes down to the money, and if you make it people will invest with you, and other than the Covid shutdown period, Live Nation has been putting up great numbers.

But this was an accident waiting to happen. Somehow, somewhere, sometime in the past the music industry decided that festival seating was preferable. I don’t care what promoters say, this is a way to squeeze in more attendees, despite their protestations that they’re adhering to fire marshal limits. And now the acts are in on it too, never mind the attendees. If everybody is close, there is more energy. But EVERYBODY can’t be close, but we’ve learned that almost everybody wants to be, which is why the expensive tickets always sell out first, it’s the cheap seats in the back that are hard to sell. But at festivals, there’s VIP and then the great unwashed masses. As for VIP…you’ve probably seen the video by now: https://bit.ly/3GWO0ZN There obviously wasn’t enough security, but why?

Festivals are not a new thing, ScoreMoreShows has experience. Maybe they did a poor job with barriers outside the venue, allowing attendees to storm in. HOWEVER, the dirty little secret is promoters can’t get enough people to work these shows. Even if they agree to, people don’t show up. You’ve heard about the Great Resignation, you’ve heard about the inability of restaurants and other businesses to fill jobs, well it’s the same in the concert industry too! But as we saw tonight, the risks are worse.



Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/07/21 at 5:19 pm


It was largely the promoter's (i.e. Live Nation)  fault. Bob Lefsetz has this to say about it:

https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/2021/11/06/astroworld/



Three years ago at another “Astroworld” event by Travz, several,people were injured. He knew the score and chose to ignore it. He’s up to his neck in culpability with the promoters.

Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: Voiceofthe70s on 11/10/21 at 8:49 am

Astroworld staff told in event plan to refer to possible dead fans as ‘smurfs’:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/10/astroworld-staff-told-to-refer-to-possible-dead-fans-as-smurfs/

Excerpt:

Astroworld staffers were instructed to refer to potential dead concertgoers as “smurfs,” according to a security and emergency medical response plan — as witnesses described victims as turning “black and blue.”

The 56-page Event Operations Plan, which was obtained by CNN, instructs the personnel at NRG Park in Houston to never use the terms “dead” or “deceased” on the radio.

Scoremore, the Austin-based promoter, instead instructed workers to use the code word borrowed from the blue animated children’s characters, the document shows.

It is unclear why the term “smurf” was chosen or whether staff actually used the code on the radio when referring to Astroworld victims — some of whom were described by eyewitnesses as turning blue as they suffocated, the Houston Chronicle reported.

Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/15/21 at 6:13 pm

Death toll is now officially increased to 10.  :\'(

Subject: Re: Echoes of Cincinnati- Astroworld Stampede Kills at Least 8

Written By: JacobThePlante on 11/16/21 at 1:54 am

I kno many people don't take kindly to conspiracies, but Travis is a known s4tanist and there was a lot of creepy symbolism in the festival/venue & stage design/posters/etc. There's many things that almost make it look like they were trying to get people k1lled

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