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Subject: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/03 at 03:56 p.m.

From the early to mid seventies, glam rock ruled!

For me, it still rules!

Anybody remember bands like The Sweet, T-Rex, Gary Glitter (shamed but I still love his songs), Slade, Wizzard and there are probably tons more.

Let us know what you think!  :)

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Rock_Princess on 06/24/03 at 04:01 p.m.

YEAH!   ;D
What about Alice Cooper, Ziggy-era Bowie, early Queen? They rocked!

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Indy Gent on 06/24/03 at 06:00 p.m.

I hated that term "glam rock" because to me, it had the stigma of cross-dressing (not that there's anything wrong with it), and if I did listen to Bowie or T-Rex or someone like that, the kids would deem you a drag queen. Elton John and Rod Stewart were considered "glam rock" to some critics.

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/25/03 at 03:09 a.m.

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I hated that term "glam rock" because to me, it had the stigma of cross-dressing (not that there's anything wrong with it), and if I did listen to Bowie or T-Rex or someone like that, the kids would deem you a drag queen. Elton John and Rod Stewart were considered "glam rock" to some critics.
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Hmm! The glam rock period of time took a more flamboyant style - and some bands took an effeminate image but I believe that continued into New Wave. I believe that New Wave gave the feminine style a more serious edge - Not that it bothers me at all.

Glam rock, to me, will never bring about images of transvetitism - most bands were playing it for laughs and there seemed to be a party atmosphere which you don't seem to get anymore.

I can see your point about Elton John, he wore some amazing costumes and glasses but Rod Stewart? Nah!  :)

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Huw on 06/25/03 at 05:16 a.m.


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I hated that term "glam rock" because to me, it had the stigma of cross-dressing...End Quote

Funny, it never struck me like that (well, apart from the bloke in Mudd maybe?  :) ). Glam rock actually was mostly pretty straight. I mean, you could hardly have got a more hard-rocking hetero' band than Slade.

Off the top of my head the only 'glam' artist that I can think of that had a slightly gay image was Bowie at the time of Ziggy Stardust (oh, I guess he did a bit of cross dressing too, now I come to think about it - on the original cover of The Man Who Sold The World). I think Bowie was the first well-known person I know of who put across a positive gay image. Remember that, back in the early '70s, no really well-known people were truly 'out'. Most people thought that all gay people were as camp as Larry Grayson or John Inman from Are You Being Served (though not even Larry and John were, apparently, gay - they just, you know, 'acted' the part....  ;D ).

Ah, how times have changed.

all the best
Huw

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: bj26 on 06/25/03 at 06:53 a.m.

I liked the New York Dolls, David Johannson had a great voice.  I liked that song he did as Buster Poindexter, something about the radio in the early 80s, beautiful song.

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Mitch-m on 06/25/03 at 11:13 a.m.

Yea was a fan of the glam rock from the 70's plus the later heaver style in the 80's by bands like w,a,s,p or Twisted Sister or even Striper(god Glam) ;D
but do you remember JOBRIATH he was the first real openly gay rock star
but he never realy made it big over here in the UK as we prefer our glam to be guys pretending to be gay. ;)

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Rock_Princess on 06/25/03 at 12:19 a.m.

Wait a minute!
I don't get it - since when does Glam Rock=Gay Rock?!

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Paul_UK on 06/25/03 at 02:27 p.m.

Well, it doesn't Rock Princess - it probably throws people in that direction because of the flamboyancy of the artists - whether in their act or dress...

Glam Rock was really just a piece of escapism - no more, no less...if you were "unfortunate" enough to have been around the UK in the early-mid 1970's, it was an awfully dour, depressing place what with strikes, job losses, etc.

So this genre of music filled the gap to lighten our loads, so to speak - it's probably the reason why it never really travelled well (barring one or two notable exceptions...)

All the best...(still wobbling on his 10 inch platforms...)

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/25/03 at 03:38 p.m.

I agree (as usual) with Paul UK.

Glam rock does not (in anyway) mean 'gay' rock.

My favourite glam rock band was either Wizzard or Sweet. Roy Wood at christmas time came out on stage wearing a christmas costume, his beard covered in white powder while the drummer dressed up like a toy soldier. Little boys and girls were dancing around them - that is marketing! Watching that I truly wished Christmas was everyday!   :D

The Sweet had a hard rock edge to them before the team of Chinn/Chapman turned their fiery rock into bubblegum music in it's purest form. 'Teenage Rampage' and 'Ballroom Blitz' were rousing anthems ('Ballroom Blitz' was revived in 'Wayne's World'). 'Blockbuster' was great but my favourites of all time was 'Wig Wam Bam' and 'Little Willy' - Trite but at least these guys new it and put excellent hooks to the music - wonderful.

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Rock_Princess on 06/26/03 at 05:29 a.m.


Quoting:
I agree (as usual) with Paul UK.

Glam rock does not (in anyway) mean 'gay' rock.
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I got a different impression from the other posts.
I'm glad to hear it's not labled. At least as fat as you two are concerned. Though when I say I like certian performers I get a Look, which means that it IS labled in some way. What a pity.  

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/03 at 05:29 p.m.

I think we may have to differentiate slightly between the glam rock Paul UK and I are talking about to the stadium rock giants such as Aerosmith, Kiss and the like.

Glam rock was about having a fun time and was not quite as severe or in your face as stadium rock - What do you think, Paul UK?

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: sunshinecutie on 06/28/03 at 02:25 a.m.

yeah i loved the "buster poindexter" song "hot,hot,hot" but i never really heard of any songs by the NYD's but i did hear of them.

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I liked the New York Dolls, David Johannson had a great voice.  I liked that song he did as Buster Poindexter, something about the radio in the early 80s, beautiful song.
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Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/28/03 at 04:19 a.m.

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yeah i loved the "buster poindexter" song "hot,hot,hot" but i never really heard of any songs by the NYD's but i did hear of them.End Quote



I remember Buster Poindexter's version of 'Hot, Hot, Hot' but who did it first? Buster or Arrow?

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/28/03 at 04:25 a.m.

Quoting:
I got a different impression from the other posts.
I'm glad to hear it's not labled. At least as fat as you two are concerned. Though when I say I like certian performers I get a Look, which means that it IS labled in some way. What a pity.  End Quote



I think a lot of blokes in the 70s would feel quite offended if someone would refer to 'glam rock' as an excercise in transvestite homosexuality.

I also get that look from people when I mention certain performers as well but I don't think it's because they are labelled as such. I believe it's through ignorance of other people's feelings about certain music.

That is a pity.  :-/

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Paul_UK on 06/28/03 at 06:01 a.m.


Quoting:


I remember Buster Poindexter's version of 'Hot, Hot, Hot' but who did it first? Buster or Arrow?
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That would've been Arrow, Bobby - over three years earlier than Buster's rendition...it was one of the first genuine soca records to cross over - come to think of it, I don't think there's been many more...!

In one of your posts above you refer to the difference between glam and stadium rock - well, once glam had died off around 1974-75, the boundaries between what remained and the newer "hard rockers" became ever more blurred. Sweet were a prime example - after they decided to rely more on self-penned material, they eventually did become a well-respected rock group. And although their successes came after glam had gone, both Queen & Kiss kept the "outrageous showmanship" alongside their harder rock sensibilities - and it done both groups no harm at all...

So although some people may just brush Glam off as "another fad", it did have some far-reaching effects...after all, if Punk can be talked about as an art form nowadays, why not Glam?

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 06/29/03 at 07:56 a.m.

Quoting:
So although some people may just brush Glam off as "another fad", it did have some far-reaching effects...after all, if Punk can be talked about as an art form nowadays, why not Glam?
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I totally agree, Paul UK. As for punk, to call it an 'artform' would be pushing things a bit but as a revolutionary force for a country on the skids at the time, I believe it's influence is legendary - perhaps the like we will never see again.

I think that bands are too self conscious to attempt anything T-Rex, David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Slade, Wizzard, The Sweet had been doing in the 70s. Bands don't know how to have fun anymore.

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: mr_crowly on 07/03/03 at 10:22 a.m.

glam rock  is one of my fave  type of music sweet the glitter band  gary gliter(befor he  well you know ) marc bolon was the king of glam but i only like  3  of  his songs  hot love  20th century boy and ride a white  swan how about slade  because i luve you gum on  feel the noice ect  as for  what yourew saying i totaly agree with  everyone  listining to glam rock dosent mean  youre gay   nice one

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Hairspray on 07/03/03 at 10:49 a.m.

Glam Rock was, still is and always will be cool. Its originality, no matter how eccentric, is worthy of praise; especially nowadays with the lack of it.

Subject: Re: Glam Rock!!!!

Written By: Bobby on 07/03/03 at 03:33 p.m.

Mentioning Gary Glitter (Paul Gadd) was always going to be tricky but I have never held the philosophy that bad people always make bad music.

Glitter's stuff was amazing 'I love you love me love','Rock and roll' and his christmas hit 'Another rock 'n' roll christmas'.