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Subject: Perverted?

Written By: WindOfChange on 02/19/05 at 10:28 am

I think that Clair by Gilbert O'Sullivan is a bit disturbing.  At first i thought he was talking about a young woman until i saw the sheet of the single: http://homepage.eircom.net/~gilbertosullivan/3images/sm_clair_01.jpg
I did some research about the song and i discovered that Gilbert O'Sullivan wrote it for an infant girl whom he used to babysit. It's a good song, but i find it  perverted. So, what are your opinions?

Lyrics:
Clair, the moment I met you I swear
I felt as if something somewhere
Had happened to me
Which I couldn't see

And then
The moment I met you again
I knew in my heart that we were friends
It had to be so
It couldn't be no
But try as hard as I might do I don't know why
You get to me in a way I can't describe
Words mean so little when you look up and smile
I don't care what people say
To me you're more than a child

Oh Clair, Clair

Clair, if ever a moment so rare
Was captured for all to compare
That moment is you
In all that you do
But why in spite of our age difference do I cry
Each time I leave you I feel I could die
Nothing means more to me than hearing you say
"I'm going to marry you
Will you marry me Uncle Ray?"

Oh Clair, Clair
Clair, I've told you before
Don't you dare
Get back into bed
Can't you see that it's late
No you can't have a drink
Oh, all right then but wait just a bit
While I, in an effort to baby sit
Catch of my breath what there is left of it
You can be murder at this hour of the day
But in the morning this hour
Will seem a lifetime away
Oh Clair, Clair





Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Paul on 02/19/05 at 11:14 am

I suppose you could read peversion into it, but it's just a charming little song...no more, no less...

(And then you could look at Maurice Chevalier with some suspicion too - 'Thank Heaven For Little Girls', indeed...!!)

And the child who Gilbert was babysitting was his manager's - Gordon Mills (who also discovered Tom Jones & Engelbert)...sadly, both he and Gilbert later had an almighty bust-up over royalties which, although settled in court in Gilbert's favour, was never resolved personally - Gordon died some years ago...

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 02/19/05 at 11:43 am


I suppose you could read peversion into it, but it's just a charming little song...no more, no less...

(And then you could look at Maurice Chevalier with some suspicion too - 'Thank Heaven For Little Girls', indeed...!!)

And the child who Gilbert was babysitting was his manager's - Gordon Mills (who also discovered Tom Jones & Engelbert)...sadly, both he and Gilbert later had an almighty bust-up over royalties which, although settled in court in Gilbert's favour, was never resolved personally - Gordon died some years ago...


Thanks for the info Paul, I always wondered what become of Gilbert :)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 02/19/05 at 11:49 am


I think that Clair by Gilbert O'Sullivan is a bit disturbing.  At first i thought he was talking about a young woman until i saw the sheet of the single: http://homepage.eircom.net/~gilbertosullivan/3images/sm_clair_01.jpg
I did some research about the song and i discovered that Gilbert O'Sullivan wrote it for an infant girl whom he used to babysit. It's a good song, but i find it  perverted. So, what are your opinions?

I agree that it sure could be thought of that way. I like the song though. Here's another one that we can all ponder...child kidnapping...."Vehicle" by Ides Of March


Lyrics for: Vehicle

Hey well, I'm a friendly stranger in a black Sedan
Won't you hop inside my car?
I got pictures, got candy, I'm a lovable man
And I can take you to the nearest star

I'm your vehicle, baby
I'll take you anywhere you wanna go
I'm your vehicle, woman
But I'm not sure that you know
That I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, got to have you, child
Great God in heaven, you know I love you

Well, if you wants to be a movie star,
I'll get a ticket to Hollywood
But if you want to stay just the way you are,
You know I think you really should

I'm your vehicle, baby
I'll take you anywhere you wanna go
I'm your vehicle, woman
But I'm not sure you know
That I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, got to have you, child
Great God in heaven, you know I love you
Oh, you know I do

GUITAR SOLO

Hey well, I'm a friendly stranger in a black Sedan
Won't you hop inside my car?
I got pictures, candy, I'm a lovable man
And I can take you to the nearest star

I'm your vehicle, baby
I'll take you anywhere you wanna go
I'm your vehicle, woman
But I'm not sure that you know
That I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, got to have ya
Great God in heaven, you know I love you
And I'm your vehicle, babe

You know I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, I got to have you, child
Great God in heaven, you know I love you

Jim Peterick talked about the song he wrote, for a girl, at this link:

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=3940

Peterick went on to form "Survivor" in the late 70's :)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: zcrito on 02/20/05 at 12:42 am


I suppose you could read peversion into it, but it's just a charming little song...no more, no less...

(And then you could look at Maurice Chevalier with some suspicion too - 'Thank Heaven For Little Girls', indeed...!!)

And the child who Gilbert was babysitting was his manager's - Gordon Mills (who also discovered Tom Jones & Engelbert)...sadly, both he and Gilbert later had an almighty bust-up over royalties which, although settled in court in Gilbert's favour, was never resolved personally - Gordon died some years ago...




Thanks for the good update, Paul.

I've always liked its melody, but "Clair" is just an obscure song that was released a few months after "Alone Again (Natually)".

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Howard on 02/20/05 at 11:42 am


I agree that it sure could be thought of that way. I like the song though. Here's another one that we can all ponder...child kidnapping...."Vehicle" by Ides Of March


Lyrics for: Vehicle

Hey well, I'm a friendly stranger in a black Sedan
Won't you hop inside my car?
I got pictures, got candy, I'm a lovable man
And I can take you to the nearest star

I'm your vehicle, baby
I'll take you anywhere you wanna go
I'm your vehicle, woman
But I'm not sure that you know
That I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, got to have you, child
Great God in heaven, you know I love you

Well, if you wants to be a movie star,
I'll get a ticket to Hollywood
But if you want to stay just the way you are,
You know I think you really should

I'm your vehicle, baby
I'll take you anywhere you wanna go
I'm your vehicle, woman
But I'm not sure you know
That I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, got to have you, child
Great God in heaven, you know I love you
Oh, you know I do

GUITAR SOLO

Hey well, I'm a friendly stranger in a black Sedan
Won't you hop inside my car?
I got pictures, candy, I'm a lovable man
And I can take you to the nearest star

I'm your vehicle, baby
I'll take you anywhere you wanna go
I'm your vehicle, woman
But I'm not sure that you know
That I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, got to have ya
Great God in heaven, you know I love you
And I'm your vehicle, babe

You know I love ya (love ya)
I need ya (need ya)
I want ya, I got to have you, child
Great God in heaven, you know I love you

Jim Peterick talked about the song he wrote, for a girl, at this link:

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=3940

Peterick went on to form "Survivor" in the late 70's :)




Mark,that must've been a 1 hit wonder.


Howard

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 02/20/05 at 12:21 pm



Mark,that must've been a 1 hit wonder.


Howard
I'm not 100% sure but I do believe that it was, Howard :)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: sputnikcorp on 02/20/05 at 12:21 pm

that song is not right.

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 02/20/05 at 1:18 pm


that song is not right.
Which one? Do you think both are ???

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: sputnikcorp on 02/20/05 at 1:28 pm

the first one. the second song i find nothing wrong with.

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 02/20/05 at 1:37 pm


the first one. the second song i find nothing wrong with.
cool. Now that I know the story behind that 2nd song, It's much better :)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Howard on 02/21/05 at 6:18 pm


I'm not 100% sure but I do believe that it was, Howard :)



Cause I'm pretty sure Ides Of March had that only 1 song.


Howard

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: FussBudgetVanPelt on 02/23/05 at 6:31 am

Nothing wrong with Clair.  I think maybe you have been oversensitised by the society we live in  :(  ???

As a parent (or Uncle/Aunt, what-have-you), one might make throw away comments to a child like "we will get married when we get older".  It is not unusual for a child to reply in kind, or vice-versa.

It doesn't mean anything past giving the child a laugh, and having fun.  It is simply a form of play....  :)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: RockandRollFan on 02/23/05 at 10:44 am


Nothing wrong with Clair.  I think maybe you have been oversensitised by the society we live in  :(  ???

As a parent (or Uncle/Aunt, what-have-you), one might make throw away comments to a child like "we will get married when we get older".  It is not unusual for a child to reply in kind, or vice-versa.

It doesn't mean anything past giving the child a laugh, and having fun.  It is simply a form of play....  :)
I agree, Luke! I love his other hit "Alone Again (Naturally)" but find riducule from others beacuse a verse says...To  think that only yesterday, I was cheerful, bright and gay......it USED to mean "Happy"  ::)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Zella on 02/23/05 at 2:54 pm

Lots of songs from the 70s would be considered non PC today.

How about this line from "In the Summertime"...

Have a drink, have a drive... :o


And one of my all time fave 70s pop hits is R.Dean Taylor's "Indiana Wants Me." But if you stand back and look at it from a detached point of view - it is glorifying and evoking compassion for a man who shoots and kills a guy just because the guy insulted his wife... :(


Here are a couple that would set N.O.W.'s hair on end:

Remember that time over at Johnny's place
When that chick jumped up and she slapped Johnny's face
Man, we just fell about the place....
If that chick don't wanna go, forget her...


(The Boys are Back in Town - Thin Lizzy)


Now, two handed strategy always works well for me
So I slipped my hands around her waist
I swore it was the right move, feelin' so smooth
Till she backhanded me 'cross my face


And of course she 'comes around' and falls for him in the end... ::)

(Love Has Taken its Toll - Foreigner)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Michael C. on 02/14/09 at 5:26 pm

Tom Jones' Delilah
I saw the light on the night that I passed by her window
I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blind
She was my woman
As she deceived me I watched and went out of my mind
My, my, my, delilah
Why, why, why, delilah
I could see that girl was no good for me
But I was lost like a slave that no man could free
At break of day when that man drove away, I was waiting
I cross the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more
My, my, my delilah
Why, why, why delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me delilah I just couldnt take any more



She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more
My, my, my, delilah
Why, why, why, delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me delilah I just couldnt take any more
Forgive me delilah I just couldnt take any more

Lots of songs from the 70s would be considered non PC today.

How about this line from "In the Summertime"...

Have a drink, have a drive... :o


And one of my all time fave 70s pop hits is R.Dean Taylor's "Indiana Wants Me." But if you stand back and look at it from a detached point of view - it is glorifying and evoking compassion for a man who shoots and kills a guy just because the guy insulted his wife... :(


Here are a couple that would set N.O.W.'s hair on end:

Remember that time over at Johnny's place
When that chick jumped up and she slapped Johnny's face
Man, we just fell about the place....
If that chick don't wanna go, forget her...


(The Boys are Back in Town - Thin Lizzy)


Now, two handed strategy always works well for me
So I slipped my hands around her waist
I swore it was the right move, feelin' so smooth
Till she backhanded me 'cross my face


And of course she 'comes around' and falls for him in the end... ::)

(Love Has Taken its Toll - Foreigner)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Michael C. on 02/14/09 at 5:34 pm

Tom Jones' Green Green Grass of Home

The old home town looks the same as I step down from the train,
And there to meet me is my mama and papa.
Down the road I look and there runs mary hair of gold and lips like cherries.
Its good to touch the green, green grass of home.
Yes, theyll all come to meet me, arms reaching, smiling sweetly.
Its good to touch the green, green grass of home.
The old house is still standing tho the paint is cracked and dry,
And theres that old oak tree I used to play on.

Down the lane I walk with my sweet mary, hair of gold and lips like cherries.
Its good to touch the green, green grass of home.
Yes, theyll all come to meet me, arms reaching, smiling sweetly.
Its good to touch the green, green grass of home.



Then I awake and look around me, at four grey wall surround me
And I realize that I was only dreaming.
For theres a guard and theres a sad old padre -
Arm in arm well walk at daybreak.
Again I touch the green, green grass of home.
Yes, theyll all come to see me in the shade of that old oak tree
As they lay me neath the green, green grass of home


This.....and Delilah....He committed a lot of crimes in His songs  ;D

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Frank on 02/14/09 at 11:16 pm

Clair was a great "beatleesque sounding" tune back then. I this it was innocent enough, but I can see how you could read into that. Another song in the mid 70's was 'Save your kisses for me", and the last line of the song went something like "even though you're only 3"

I think both songs were written re: cuteness of a child

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Michael C. on 02/15/09 at 10:39 am

The Who  -    Squeeze Box

Mama's got a squeeze box she wears on her chest
And when Daddy comes home, he never gets no rest
'Cause she's playing all night and the music's all right
Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy never sleeps at night

Well, the kids don't eat and the dog can't sleep
There's no escape from the music in the whole damn street
'Cause she's playing all night and the music's all right
Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy never sleeps at night

She goes in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out
She's playing all night and the music's all right
Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy never sleeps at night

She goes, squeeze me, come on and squeeze me
Come on and tease me like you do
I'm so in love with you
Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy never sleeps at night



She goes in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out
'Cause she's playing all night and the music's all right
Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy never sleeps at night

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: Michael C. on 02/15/09 at 10:42 am

Napoleon IV    -    They're Coming to Take Me Away

Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to
leave because I'd go berserk?? Well...
You left me anyhow and then the days got worse and worse and now you see
I've gone completely out of my mind.. And..

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be
happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said
that loosing you would make me flip my lid.. RIGHT???
I know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed you laughed and
laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad... And..

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa,
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the happy home. With trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!

I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you pay me back
for all my kind unselfish loving deeds.. Huh??
Well you just wait, they'll find you yet and when they do they'll put you
in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!!! And...

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy
to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming
to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time... (fade out)

Subject: Re: Perverted?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 02/18/09 at 12:45 am

Barbara Markay: It's All Rite

^Just click the link, I'm not doing all that censoring!


Foxy: Get Off

Ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, oooooooh

Yeah
Get off

Music may ease and end all discretion
So we can get off
We keep under the sheets with two lovelys
So we can get off

Said I hope that we get the promise, ladies
And make me get off
Take it from girls with our imagination
So we can get off

Call me up at your place
I can love you crazy
In the heat you will understand
Danger and excitement
That's what makes a lady
Find out what she wants in a man

To get off, get off, to get off, to get off
To get off, to get off, to get off, to get, get off

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, oooooooh

Lookin' through that dress that drive me crazy
And makes me get off
Sensuality excites my mind, it makes get off
If I were you I'd get a good perspective
On how to get off
Love me wild and love me crazy
So we can get off

Call me up at your place
I can love you crazy
In the heat you will understand
Danger and excitement
That's what makes a lady
Find out what she wants in a man

To get off, to get off, to get off, to get off
To get off, to get off, to get off, to get, get off

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, oooooooh

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, oooooooh

Lookin' through that dress that drive me crazy
And makes me get off
Sensuality excites my mind, it makes get off
If I were you I'd get a good perspective (for sure)
On how to get off
Love me wild and love me crazy
So we can get off

Call me up at your place
I can love you crazy
In the heat you will understand
Danger and excitement
That's what makes a lady
Find out what she wants in a man

To get off, to get off, to get off, to get off
To get off, to get off, to get off, to get, get off

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, oooooooh

Get off

So get off, to get off, to get off, to get, get off
Get off to get off, to get off, get off
So get off, get off, to get off, to get, get off
Get off to get off, get off, get off

To get off, to get off, to get off, to get, get off
Get off, get off, get off, to get off
Get off to get off, get off, get, get off
Get off, get off, so get off, just get off
Get off, get off, get off


The Rolling Stones: C*cks*cker Blues     
   
(aka Schoolboy Blues)
(Jagger/Richards)

Well, I'm a lonesome schoolboy
And I just came into town
Yeah, I'm a lonesome schoolboy
And I just came into town
Well, I heard so much about London
I decided to check it out

Well, I wait in Leicester Square
With a come-hither look in my eye
Yeah, I'm leaning on Nelsons Column
But all I do is talk to the lions

Oh where can I get my c*ck s*cked?
Where can I get my *ss f**ked?
I may have no money,
But I know where to put it every time

Well, I asked a young policeman
If he'd only lock me up for the night
Well, I've had pigs in the farmyard,
Some of them, some of them, they're alright
Well, he f**ked me with his truncheon
And his helmet was way too tight

Oh where can I get my c*ck s*cked?
Where can I get my *ss f**ked?
I ain't got no money,
But I know where to put it every time

I'm a lonesome schoolboy in your town
I'm a lonesome schoolboy

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