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Subject: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 90s Guy on 05/09/17 at 4:39 am

Points in favor:

-Original run of The Brady Bunch, '69-74
-Debut of Scooby Doo in 1969;
-First post-Walt Disney animated film (meaning one he didn't actively help produce) released in 1970; 'Dark Age of Animation'
-Nixon Presidency
-Arguable height of the Hippie movement in these years
-Beginning of withdrawal from Vietnam in 1969, end of American involvement in the War in 1973
-Rock N' Roll takes on a rootsy, more guitar oriented form, psychedelia fades away; Disco isn't truly popular yet
-Women wear their hair long and parted down the middle ala Marcia Brady. The Farah Fawcett look isn't in yet.
-Camp and kitsch reign (Diamonds are Forever & Roger Moore James Bond for example)

Anyone else?

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/09/17 at 8:32 pm


Points in favor:

-Original run of The Brady Bunch, '69-74
-Debut of Scooby Doo in 1969;
-First post-Walt Disney animated film (meaning one he didn't actively help produce) released in 1970; 'Dark Age of Animation'
-Nixon Presidency
-Arguable height of the Hippie movement in these years
-Beginning of withdrawal from Vietnam in 1969, end of American involvement in the War in 1973
-Rock N' Roll takes on a rootsy, more guitar oriented form, psychedelia fades away; Disco isn't truly popular yet
-Women wear their hair long and parted down the middle ala Marcia Brady. The Farah Fawcett look isn't in yet.
-Camp and kitsch reign (Diamonds are Forever & Roger Moore James Bond for example)

Anyone else?

Yes, I agree. You summed it up pretty well.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/09/17 at 9:49 pm

Not to me. To me 1973 is pretty 70's.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/09/17 at 9:56 pm


Not to me. To me 1973 is pretty 70's.

Do you not understand what he's saying? ???

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AmericanGirl on 05/09/17 at 10:09 pm

For me personally, it was a period of high growth - I entered 1969 age 8 going on 9, and exited 1974 age 14 going on 25!  ;D  Beyond that, moving from a big urban city to a rural setting was in itself a big change for me - one I consider mostly positive  ::)

Culturally, it was a period of high change, high tension and sometimes high conflict - but love was all the buzzword.  We were into the space race, hippies, drugs (sadly), pollution/the ecology, and "doing our own thing".  We dug the tie-dyes, mini skirt/maxi skirt, bell-bottom hip huggers, short shorts, patchwork denim, plaids and stripes, vibrant colors, and lots and lots of hair.  Race relations were steadily improving, woman's stature was improving, we all rallied around the great anthems of the day.  Movies started to get ratings (and they needed to by then).  TV was at a high point, as was music.

Good or bad, it was an amazing time to experience.  8)

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/10/17 at 5:03 am


Do you not understand what he's saying? ???


To me 1973 to 1982 is one big era. As is 1964 to 1972. That's why I don't think (in my opinion) that 1969 to 1974 is its own era.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 6:37 am


For me personally, it was a period of high growth - I entered 1969 age 8 going on 9, and exited 1974 age 14 going on 25!  ;D  Beyond that, moving from a big urban city to a rural setting was in itself a big change for me - one I consider mostly positive  ::)

Culturally, it was a period of high change, high tension and sometimes high conflict - but love was all the buzzword.  We were into the space race, hippies, drugs (sadly), pollution/the ecology, and "doing our own thing".  We dug the tie-dyes, mini skirt/maxi skirt, bell-bottom hip huggers, short shorts, patchwork denim, plaids and stripes, vibrant colors, and lots and lots of hair.  Race relations were steadily improving, woman's stature was improving, we all rallied around the great anthems of the day.  Movies started to get ratings (and they needed to by then).  TV was at a high point, as was music.

Good or bad, it was an amazing time to experience.  8)

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 6:39 am


To me 1973 to 1982 is one big era. As is 1964 to 1972. That's why I don't think (in my opinion) that 1969 to 1974 is its own era.

I disagree...1973-1982 is not a one big era to me. Maybe, 1977-1982.....but not 1973-1982. 1969-1974 definitely seems like one big cultural era.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/10/17 at 11:37 am


Points in favor:

-Original run of The Brady Bunch, '69-74



I don't know why, but that was the very first thing that came to my mind when I saw the title of this thread.  ;D

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: #Infinity on 05/10/17 at 12:04 pm

It's really easiest to just call the first half of the 70s the early 70s. I wouldn't categorize 1969 with the 70s because that was the absolute peak of hippie culture, America was still directly involved with Vietnam, and mainstream fashion was still predominantly that sleek, rounded 60s look. Aside from a few new shows, Nixon being President (albeit before Watergate), and Led Zeppelin's first two albums, not much really distinguishes '69 from the classic 60s. There was already a pretty different, more laid back mindset creeping in by 1971 and especially by 1973, when 70s music, television, fashion, and politics were more than well-established. It wasn't quite the stereotypical Gen-Jones era most commonly associated with the 1970s yet, but it was definitely distinct from the late 60s, too.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/10/17 at 5:14 pm

There definitely was still a 60's vibe all the way up until like 1974, or 1975.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 5:22 pm


There definitely was still a 60's vibe all the way up until like 1974, or 1975.

Nah, 1973-1975 were completely independent from a 1960s vibe.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/10/17 at 5:50 pm


There definitely was still a 60's vibe all the way up until like 1974, or 1975.

Nah, 1973-1975 were completely independent from a 1960s vibe.


I have to side with TheReignMan on this one. Even though I was a little kid during that era (and maybe the earliest year I can remember was 1973) it never seemed like anything other than the 1970s to me.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 5:57 pm


I have to side with TheReignMan on this one. Even though I was a little kid during that era (and maybe the earliest year I can remember was 1973) it never seemed like anything other than the 1970s to me.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/10/17 at 6:12 pm


I have to side with TheReignMan on this one. Even though I was a little kid during that era (and maybe the earliest year I can remember was 1973) it never seemed like anything other than the 1970s to me.


I trust your view more, though, since you remember and grew up during then.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 6:18 pm


I trust your view more, though, since you remember and grew up during then.

Well, my mother grew up then (she was 10-12 from 1973-1975) and she tells me a lot about that time period (and the 1970s in general).

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/10/17 at 6:32 pm


Thanks for agreeing with me.


You're welcome.
I trust your view more, though, since you remember and grew up during then.


And I hope you don't think I was trying to knock you or take sides or anything like that.

I guess what does it for me is, I've always had a fascination with the 1960s and occasionally I wish I could have been alive during that decade and experienced it. Really it's not unlike the sentiment of some of the members here who wish they could have experienced the 80s. So that's why I don't feel like that era was part of the 60s. If there was any leftover 1960s cultural influence, IMO it was gone by 1972.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 6:49 pm


You're welcome.
And I hope you don't think I was trying to knock you or take sides or anything like that.

I guess what does it for me is, I've always had a fascination with the 1960s and occasionally I wish I could have been alive during that decade and experienced it. Really it's not unlike the sentiment of some of the members here who wish they could have experienced the 80s. So that's why I don't feel like that era was part of the 60s. If there was any leftover 1960s cultural influence, IMO it was gone by 1972.

I'm one of those members ;D....I wish I was born in 1970 so I could have been a young adult from 1987-1993 (I have a fascination with the late '80s & early '90s :P).

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/10/17 at 6:50 pm

I group 1970-1974 together but also group 1975-1980 together.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 6:52 pm


I group 1970-1974 together but also group 1975-1980 together.

I think of 1967-1970 as it's own mini cultural era, 1971-1976 as it's own cultural era and 1977-1981 as it's own cultural era.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 05/10/17 at 6:56 pm


I think of 1967-1970 as it's own mini cultural era, 1971-1976 as it's own cultural era and 1977-1981 as it's own cultural era.


I guess come to think of it, 1965-1971 go together.
1972-1974 is a mini era mixed between the hippie and later 70s era.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/10/17 at 6:59 pm


You're welcome.
And I hope you don't think I was trying to knock you or take sides or anything like that.

I guess what does it for me is, I've always had a fascination with the 1960s and occasionally I wish I could have been alive during that decade and experienced it. Really it's not unlike the sentiment of some of the members here who wish they could have experienced the 80s. So that's why I don't feel like that era was part of the 60s. If there was any leftover 1960s cultural influence, IMO it was gone by 1972.


What's wrong with taking sides with the truth? :.ducks:.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 6:59 pm


I guess come to think of it, 1965-1971 go together.
1972-1974 is a mini era mixed between the hippie and later 70s era.

1972-1974 was the Watergate era lol...a subset of the 1971-1976 cultural era.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/10/17 at 7:01 pm


I'm one of those members ;D....I wish I was born in 1970 so I could have been a young adult from 1987-1993 (I have a fascination with the late '80s & early '90s :P).


Sometimes I wish I could have been born in 1940 and graduated high school in 1959 and spent my 20s in the 1960s (and been too old to have to have gone to Vietnam).

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/10/17 at 7:02 pm


1972-1974 was the Watergate era lol...a subset of the 1971-1976 cultural era.


I was just a little too young to remember Watergate. The first president I can remember was Gerald Ford.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 7:05 pm


Sometimes I wish I could have been born in 1940 and graduated high school in 1959 and spent my 20s in the 1960s (and been too old to have to have gone to Vietnam).

1940? Damn, that's way too far for me but you're not me lol ;).


I was just a little too young to remember Watergate. The first president I can remember was Gerald Ford.

Cool. BTW, when were you born?

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/10/17 at 7:08 pm


1940? Damn, that's way too far for me but you're not me lol ;).
Cool. BTW, when were you born?


1970.  ;D

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 7:13 pm


1970.  ;D

:( Huh, wow....that's crazy. I wish that I was born almost 30 years earlier and you wish that you was born 30 years earlier....interesting ;D.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/10/17 at 7:26 pm


Well, my mother grew up then (she was 10-12 from 1973-1975) and she tells me a lot about that time period (and the 1970s in general).


Sorry if I came off snarky. Sometimes there will be differing opinions, and wrong opinions at that, even if those wrong opinions are mine. It just makes this forum much more interesting. Perhaps I sometimes unconsciously throw out an 'off' opinion to make this forum more fun, or colorful! It would be boring if everyone agreed that 1993 had some 80's in it.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/10/17 at 7:33 pm


Sorry if I came off snarky. Sometimes there will be differing opinions, and wrong opinions at that, even if those wrong opinions are mine. It just makes this forum much more interesting. Perhaps I sometimes unconsciously throw out an 'off' opinion to make this forum more fun, or colorful! It would be boring if everyone agreed that 1993 had no 80's in it.

Oh no, you're fine.

Oh and BTW, I definitely think that 1993 had a few '80s influences in it.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/10/17 at 7:42 pm


Oh no, you're fine.

Oh and BTW, I definitely think that 1993 had a few '80s influences in it.


I edited my comment again, but as long as you get the point!  ;D

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Tyrannosaurus Rex on 05/10/17 at 7:43 pm

1969-1971: Hippie age part II (part I was 1965/66-1968), "Man on Moon" age

1972-1974: Southern rock age, Watergate age

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Voiceofthe70s on 05/26/17 at 12:06 pm

As someone who participated quite fully in that era I would suggest that not only does 1969-1974 constitute its own era, but there are subsets within the era. I would consider 1970 a continuation of “The Sixties” on into 1971. I trace the end of “The Sixties” as a concept to the end of 1972. No one particular event characterizes this. Not Watergate, not Nixon’s landslide reelection. (Just as Altamont did not signal the end of “The Sixties” and the “Woodstock Generation” in December 1969, as some lazy writers, lazy thinkers and people looking for easy answers and signposts would have us believe). “The Sixties” just petered out around the end of 72. So By 1973 a new wind was blowing with the advent of glam, among other things. The “earthiness” so to speak of 1971-1972 (which the “psychedelia” of 69-70 had morphed into) was giving way to something more “glitterful”.  I would consider 1970-1974 “the early 70s” into which echoes on the 60s still reverberated. 1975 stands alone as kind of a no man’s land, while 1976-1979 are “the late 70s” into which the dreaded disco took hold, as well as it’s counterpoint, punk rock.  The meaning and earnestness of the 60s which also characterized much of the early 70s was gone by the late 70s, not that the late 70s did not have a certain charm of its own.  Most of the time when people trash the 70s as tacky they are referring, without knowing it, to the late 70s with its horrid disco music, obvious polyester fashions, etc.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/26/17 at 7:39 pm


As someone who participated quite fully in that era I would suggest that not only does 1969-1974 constitute its own era, but there are subsets within the era. I would consider 1970 a continuation of “The Sixties” on into 1971. I trace the end of “The Sixties” as a concept to the end of 1972. No one particular event characterizes this. Not Watergate, not Nixon’s landslide reelection. (Just as Altamont did not signal the end of “The Sixties” and the “Woodstock Generation” in December 1969, as some lazy writers, lazy thinkers and people looking for easy answers and signposts would have us believe). “The Sixties” just petered out around the end of 72. So By 1973 a new wind was blowing with the advent of glam, among other things. The “earthiness” so to speak of 1971-1972 (which the “psychedelia” of 69-70 had morphed into) was giving way to something more “glitterful”.  I would consider 1970-1974 “the early 70s” into which echoes on the 60s still reverberated. 1975 stands alone as kind of a no man’s land, while 1976-1979 are “the late 70s” into which the dreaded disco took hold, as well as it’s counterpoint, punk rock.  The meaning and earnestness of the 60s which also characterized much of the early 70s was gone by the late 70s, not that the late 70s did not have a certain charm of its own.  Most of the time when people trash the 70s as tacky they are referring, without knowing it, to the late 70s with its horrid disco music, obvious polyester fashions, etc.


My instincts were always right, then. 1972 always seemed like a good 'end' to the 1960's.  :)

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/26/17 at 9:03 pm

I personally am a big fan of the late 1970s (1976/1977-1979).

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/26/17 at 9:16 pm


I personally am a big fan of the late 1970s (1976/1977-1979).


Movie-wise, I prefer the second half. Overall, I prefer the first half.  :D

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AmericanGirl on 05/26/17 at 9:19 pm


Movie-wise, I prefer the second half. Overall, I prefer the first half.  :D


I agree on the movies - a bit of a revelation to me  :o

It seems almost all of my favorite 70's movies came out after 1975.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/26/17 at 9:48 pm

1971-1974, music-wise, does not belong with 1969-1970.

Just compare The Who's Tommy (1969) to their later albums, Who's Next (1971) and Quadrophenia (1973). Former is clearly 60s; latter are drenched in 70s-ness.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/26/17 at 9:49 pm


I agree on the movies - a bit of a revelation to me  :o

It seems almost all of my favorite 70's movies came out after 1975.


Yeah, people like different things, from different parts of the decade. Or they may not like one subject at all from one decade. Like me, overall, I don't really care too much for 1980's television, but I love the decade, and its pop culture, overall.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: #Infinity on 05/26/17 at 10:25 pm


As someone who participated quite fully in that era I would suggest that not only does 1969-1974 constitute its own era, but there are subsets within the era. I would consider 1970 a continuation of “The Sixties” on into 1971. I trace the end of “The Sixties” as a concept to the end of 1972. No one particular event characterizes this. Not Watergate, not Nixon’s landslide reelection. (Just as Altamont did not signal the end of “The Sixties” and the “Woodstock Generation” in December 1969, as some lazy writers, lazy thinkers and people looking for easy answers and signposts would have us believe). “The Sixties” just petered out around the end of 72. So By 1973 a new wind was blowing with the advent of glam, among other things. The “earthiness” so to speak of 1971-1972 (which the “psychedelia” of 69-70 had morphed into) was giving way to something more “glitterful”.  I would consider 1970-1974 “the early 70s” into which echoes on the 60s still reverberated. 1975 stands alone as kind of a no man’s land, while 1976-1979 are “the late 70s” into which the dreaded disco took hold, as well as it’s counterpoint, punk rock.  The meaning and earnestness of the 60s which also characterized much of the early 70s was gone by the late 70s, not that the late 70s did not have a certain charm of its own.  Most of the time when people trash the 70s as tacky they are referring, without knowing it, to the late 70s with its horrid disco music, obvious polyester fashions, etc.


How was 1975 a no man's land? Wasn't disco already everywhere through that year? It didn't have punk yet and glam rock hadn't totally faded yet, but for the most part it seems pretty connected to "the late 70s" as you describe them.

Otherwise, I think you're pretty accurate, though I think the first few years of the 70s were already gradually developing a distinct identity for the 70s decade, which by 1973 was pretty much solidly established apart from the Sixties, though not the more stereotypical second half of the decade yet. I'm pretty sure glam rock started to get big in the UK in 1971 and 1972 in the United States, and by 1971-1972 you already had plenty of classic 70s musicians, like Carly Simon, the Eagles, America, Elton John, and the ilk making a solid name for themselves. I can definitely go with 1972 being the symbolic end of the Sixties, though.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/26/17 at 11:00 pm


How was 1975 a no man's land? Wasn't disco already everywhere through that year? It didn't have punk yet and glam rock hadn't totally faded yet, but for the most part it seems pretty connected to "the late 70s" as you describe them.

I thought punk began in 1974, albeit the mainstream didn't know about it until late 1976.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/26/17 at 11:09 pm


Movie-wise, I prefer the second half. Overall, I prefer the first half.  :D

Overall, I still prefer the late 1970s.

In my opinion:
1. U.S. Politics was better in the late 1970s (the exception being The Iran hostage crisis)
2. Music was better (punk, disco, power pop, new wave)
3. Movies were better in the late '70s (1976/1977-1979) than early '70s (The Omen, All the President's Men, Taxi Driver, Rocky, Star Wars, Saturday Night Fever, Smokey and the Bandit, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Superman, Grease, Halloween, Deer Hunter, Alien, Apocalypse Now).
4. Fashion was better (just my thoughts).

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Voiceofthe70s on 05/26/17 at 11:28 pm


How was 1975 a no man's land? Wasn't disco already everywhere through that year? 



Disco did not go mainstream in the US until 1976.  In 1975 the word "disco" was not in common use in the mainstream. 1975 had a few of what I would call "prototype disco hits such as "Fly Robin Fy" and "The Hustle", but it was't a "thing" yet. By1976 it had really spread and  by 1977 it was everywhere ad nauseum with "Saturday Night Fever". As someone who was there, 1975 was a kind of transitional year between early 70s and late 70s sensibilities. It really did seem to exist on its own between the two halves. The  earthy early 70s hippie sensibility was gone, even glam (which never really took as hold here in the US as big as it did in the UK) was fading with some of it's biggest figures like Bowie moving on to newer guises, and disco and punk were on the horizon but not yet arrived. Gerald Ford was president, a bland Republican reminder of the more turbulent Nixon era, Democrat Jimmy Carter had not yet been elected.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/27/17 at 12:05 am




Disco did not go mainstream in the US until 1976.  In 1975 the word "disco" was not in common use in the mainstream. 1975 had a few of what I would call "prototype disco hits such as "Fly Robin Fy" and "The Hustle", but it was't a "thing" yet. By1976 it had really spread and  by 1977 it was everywhere ad nauseum with "Saturday Night Fever". As someone who was there, 1975 was a kind of transitional year between early 70s and late 70s sensibilities. It really did seem to exist on its own between the two halves. The  earthy early 70s hippie sensibility was gone, even glam (which never really took as hold here in the US as big as it did in the UK) was fading with some of it's biggest figures like Bowie moving on to newer guises, and disco and punk were on the horizon but not yet arrived. Gerald Ford was president, a bland Republican reminder of the more turbulent Nixon era, Democrat Jimmy Carter had not yet been elected.


When did disco stop becoming popular in the USA??  ???

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/27/17 at 12:08 am


Overall, I still prefer the late 1970s.

In my opinion:
1. U.S. Politics was better in the late 1970s (the exception being The Iran hostage crisis)
2. Music was better (punk, disco, power pop, new wave)
3. Movies were better in the late '70s (1976/1977-1979) than early '70s (The Omen, All the President's Men, Taxi Driver, Rocky, Star Wars, Saturday Night Fever, Smokey and the Bandit, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Superman, Grease, Halloween, Deer Hunter, Alien, Apocalypse Now).
4. Fashion was better (just my thoughts).


I don't mind Star Wars and Jaws from the second half of the 70's.  :D  :D

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 2:17 am

Disco did not go mainstream in the US until 1976.  In 1975 the word "disco" was not in common use in the mainstream. 1975 had a few of what I would call "prototype disco hits such as "Fly Robin Fy" and "The Hustle", but it was't a "thing" yet. By1976 it had really spread and  by 1977 it was everywhere ad nauseum with "Saturday Night Fever".

Really? Songs like "The Hustle" and "Fly Robin Fly" don't count as real disco songs? While we're on 1975, what about "That's the Way (I Like It)," "Jive Talkin'" (essentially in the same style as "Stayin' Alive" and "Night Fever"), "Sing a Song," "Once You Get Started," "It Only Takes a Minute," and Barry White's songs? There are others, but I'm pretty sure there were already plenty of songs in 1975 that are officially classified as disco, even though the genre had not yet really garnered the notorious reputation it had built by 1978.

As someone who was there, 1975 was a kind of transitional year between early 70s and late 70s sensibilities. It really did seem to exist on its own between the two halves. The  earthy early 70s hippie sensibility was gone, even glam (which never really took as hold here in the US as big as it did in the UK) was fading with some of it's biggest figures like Bowie moving on to newer guises, and disco and punk were on the horizon but not yet arrived. Gerald Ford was president, a bland Republican reminder of the more turbulent Nixon era, Democrat Jimmy Carter had not yet been elected.

Well, the thing about the Ford administration is that after the fall of Saigon, it was defined by pretty much the same general issues that rocked the Carter presidency prior to the Iran Hostage Crisis and Invasion of Afghanistan, i.e., stagflation, loss of American confidence, oil prices, dealing with the Khmer Rouge. Ford was a pretty liberal Republican and Carter was a conservative Democrat, so the two weren't even radically different the way Reagan contrasted to Carter.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Howard on 05/27/17 at 4:56 am


I personally am a big fan of the late 1970s (1976/1977-1979).


me too, even though I didn't experience that era I enjoy the music of that time.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Howard on 05/27/17 at 4:57 am


When did disco stop becoming popular in the USA??  ???


probably in the late 1970's, around 1980.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/27/17 at 9:51 am


Well, the thing about the Ford administration is that after the fall of Saigon, it was defined by pretty much the same general issues that rocked the Carter presidency prior to the Iran Hostage Crisis and Invasion of Afghanistan, i.e., stagflation, loss of American confidence, oil prices, dealing with the Khmer Rouge. Ford was a pretty liberal Republican and Carter was a conservative Democrat, so the two weren't even radically different the way Reagan contrasted to Carter.

Gerald Ford was a moderate...even for a Republican. Nixon was more liberal than him.

Also, Jimmy Carter was and still is a liberal. Carter may have been more Conservative than most (or all) other Democratic Presidents of the 20th Century but he was still liberal. If Carter was a Conservative/Conservative Democrat then why would the country vote in Ronald Reagan, an actual Conservative, for President in a landslide in 1980?

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AmericanGirl on 05/27/17 at 10:43 am


When did disco stop becoming popular in the USA??  ???


There's a pretty in depth thread on this (I'll assert that it applies to the USA):

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=34006.0

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 12:21 pm


Gerald Ford was a moderate...even for a Republican. Nixon was more liberal than him.


Ford, like Carter, was mostly a centrist who relied on intuition rather than hard-lined ideals to lead a then-ruinous America. Like Carter, he struggled to find much of a power base and was basically handed crises beyond his capacity to solve.

Also, Jimmy Carter was and still is a liberal. Carter may have been more Conservative than most (or all) other Democratic Presidents of the 20th Century but he was still liberal. If Carter was a Conservative/Conservative Democrat then why would the country vote in Ronald Reagan, an actual Conservative, for President in a landslide in 1980?


Carter wasn't exactly the classic New Deal Democrat that Americans had known for decades to that point. His defining traits were his honest work ethic and independence from a Washington that Americans had lost trust in since Watergate. He was definitely not nearly as far to the right as Reagan, who at the time was widely considered an impractical extremist, but he was still pretty moderate on a basic level.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: TheReignMan99 on 05/27/17 at 2:39 pm


Ford, like Carter, was mostly a centrist who relied on intuition rather than hard-lined ideals to lead a then-ruinous America. Like Carter, he struggled to find much of a power base and was basically handed crises beyond his capacity to solve.

Carter wasn't exactly the classic New Deal Democrat that Americans had known for decades to that point. His defining traits were his honest work ethic and independence from a Washington that Americans had lost trust in since Watergate. He was definitely not nearly as far to the right as Reagan, who at the time was widely considered an impractical extremist, but he was still pretty moderate on a basic level.

Yeah, you're spot on.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Zelek3 on 05/27/17 at 3:11 pm

As I've said before, I think that 1971-1974, music-wise, does not fit with 1969-1970.

Just compare The Who's Tommy (1969) to their later albums, Who's Next (1971) and Quadrophenia (1973). Former is clearly a product of the swingin' 60s; the latter are drenched in 70s AOR-ness.

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: #Infinity on 05/27/17 at 3:55 pm


As I've said before, I think that 1971-1974, music-wise, does not fit with 1969-1970.

Just compare The Who's Tommy (1969) to their later albums, Who's Next (1971) and Quadrophenia (1973). Former is clearly a product of the swingin' 60s; the latter are drenched in 70s AOR-ness.


There's some overlap, though. The juicily funky 70s sound wasn't totally fermented in '71 or '72, and the songs that were funky were largely similar to the type of funk popular in 1968 and 1969. Songs like "Want Ads," "Get On the Good Foot," "Sugar Daddy," and "She's Not Just Another Woman" are pretty much in the same ballpark as "Mother Popcorn," "Soulful Strut," "For Once in My Life," and "It's Your Thing" from the late 60s. The early 70s was still primarily part of the classic Motown era that ruled the 1960s, and it only slowly evolved into something different as the 70s progressed. A few other, more conventional pop acts from the late 60s such as the 5th Dimension and pre-disco Bee Gees were also still popular in the early 70s, or at least many newer artists largely retained the classically-influenced style that had prevailed in the late 60s.

Many other bands during the first few years of the 1970s held on to many of the psychedelic or countercultural aspects that defined late 60s rock. Who's Next may have been well ahead of its time, but the Rolling Stones' Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St. are usually associated with Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed because they constitute the band's golden age for full albums. Creedence Clearwater Revival was still popular in 1971, and they were already popular during the last two years of the 60s. Three Dog Night is another band that was still absolutely dominating the charts in 1971 and 1972, despite breaking into the mainstream in 1969 with "One."

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/27/17 at 5:44 pm

Oh yeah, in pop culture, there are many overlaps and grey areas. That's why you have people saying years like 1993 could be read as 80's, or 90's!  ::)  ::)  ::)

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: AmericanGirl on 05/27/17 at 11:02 pm

IMO 1972 was quite the transitional year, musically.  As I experienced it first hand, it just seemed as if something was in the air, something new and different, but no one could put their finger on it.  Music styles were a serious mish-mash in 1972, and there novelty songs galore.  A few 60's-70's artists were wrapping it up by 1972, like CCR.  Many artists who'd been absent from the airwaves awhile made comebacks (brief or sustained) in '72 - think Rick Nelson.  Some artists who first got popular in '70 or '71 reached new stratospheres in '72, such as Elton John, Al Green and Chicago.  Some other popular early 70's artists just kept on truckin', like Three Dog Night.  What's most telling is the large number of big name artists that hit it big for the first time in 1972:

Steely Dan
O'Jays
Jackson Browne
Doobie Brothers
Paul Simon
America
Jethro Tull
Eagles
Loggins & Messina
Billy Preston
Raspberries
Rick Springfield
Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show
Staple Singers
Leon Russell
Tower of Power
Main Ingredient

8)

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: 80sfan on 05/29/17 at 10:23 am


IMO 1972 was quite the transitional year, musically.  As I experienced it first hand, it just seemed as if something was in the air, something new and different, but no one could put their finger on it.  Music styles were a serious mish-mash in 1972, and there novelty songs galore.  A few 60's-70's artists were wrapping it up by 1972, like CCR.  Many artists who'd been absent from the airwaves awhile made comebacks (brief or sustained) in '72 - think Rick Nelson.  Some artists who first got popular in '70 or '71 reached new stratospheres in '72, such as Elton John, Al Green and Chicago.  Some other popular early 70's artists just kept on truckin', like Three Dog Night.  What's most telling is the large number of big name artists that hit it big for the first time in 1972:

Steely Dan
O'Jays
Jackson Browne
Doobie Brothers
Paul Simon
America
Jethro Tull
Eagles
Loggins & Messina
Billy Preston
Raspberries
Rick Springfield
Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show
Staple Singers
Leon Russell
Tower of Power
Main Ingredient

8)


Amazing!  :)

Subject: Re: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Heinz57 on 05/30/17 at 7:05 pm

Well I can't say if it had it's own cultural era, but most of those years were my high school years, and it was an era for me, in a way.

Subject: Does 1969-1974 constitute it's own cultural era?

Written By: Dude111 on 07/08/17 at 3:31 pm

Yes, I agree. You summed it up pretty well.

Yes very nicely indeed!!!!!! -- A GOOD TIME!!

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