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Subject: Modern culture
I think we live in very shallow cynical times. Sexuality is being marketed to children. Television and most music is a big wasteland. The media churns out crudity and undignified situations and subject matter. No one seems to care that values and morals in our culture are going down the tubes. I guess I'm wrong because I care, do you?
Subject: Re: Modern culture
speaking from a teens point of view in this day and age...sex sells...its so...casual now...its nothing special...i myself have morals and know whats right and wrong...i was talking to a group of girls the other day...everyone of them had given up their virginity...and they were so pround that i havent yet :P....the music sucks now-a-days...theres only 2 bands that i care to listen to from the 00's/90's and thats Beautiful Creatures and Orgy...so keep faith...some of us do have morals and respect left :)
sex is something you share with the person you love...not the world
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Wow, thanks for the insight LauperFan. I'm 24 so I'm not too much older than you. It's refreshing to encounter people like yourself.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
:) well i hope its not just me who thinks like this that is also my age haha...because i seem to be stuck in another generation as far as that goes... :P
Subject: Re: Modern culture
I'm 30 years old and I've seen now that sex and lesbians sell.Everytime I turn on the tv,there is something going on between 2 girls.Whether it be Anne Heche,Rosie O'Donnell,Marcy from Married With Children,etc...
Howard
Subject: Re: Modern culture
You are far from wrong. Everything you said is true. It's unbeleivable the things I see going on. You know, I know some friends of mine who talk about women like thier sex objects. Funny thing is, they have daughters. If someone was talking about their daughters like that it would be a different story. And I see women and girls who act like that and it's very weird. I mean have some respect for yourself. I'm a 37 year old guy and what I see is very scary. I love women but I try not to treat them like whores. It's wrong. I'm glad I don't have a daughter but my son will be brought up to treat women with respect.
Tim
RATT-n-ROLL
Subject: Re: Modern culture
I'm 16 years old, and absoulutly hate the pop culture we are living in right now. I have a lot of high moral standards from the church i attend and everywhere i go i recognize girls getting sleazyer and more un-buetiful. Whether its popstars like britney spears promoting this tuff i dont know, nbut what i do know is that indivisuality in the way you look and the way you act has been thrown out the window.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Excuse me...whats with the girl bashing here? Now its not just the girls...the guys have become very sleazy as well as females...you should see the crap i put up with day in day out...the males have gotten horribly awful and forgotten how to treat females like ladies...now i understand that both sexes are doing their part to make things the way they are...maybe its all of us who need to start changing things...now from what i've heard i look like a whore but i tell you what i keep my legs tight and act like a lady...
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Quoting:I'm 30 years old and I've seen now that sex and lesbians sell.Everytime I turn on the tv,there is something going on between 2 girls.Whether it be Anne Heche,Rosie O'Donnell,Marcy from Married With Children,etc...End Quote
Sex and lesbians may sell, but Anne Heche and Rosie O'Donnell most definitely do not.
Besides, they're here, they're queer, get used to it.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Blah Blah Blah, everyone thinks music nowadays sucks. Back in 93 when I used to listen to Nirvana and Pearl Jam, my older cousins used to say that they sucked, and that they were no where as good as Van Halen or Maiden. And my parents would tell them that Van Halen weren't as good as Led Zeppelin.
I would just like to know the difference between the popstars of today, and the popstars of the past. IMO groups like the Jackson 5 were a boy band just like nsync, they didn't write their own music, they were corporate shills who sold everything from breakfast cereal to dolls. What is the difference between Britney Spears and Madonna? Both used sex to sell albums, IMO Madonna was way more trashy with books like Sex.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
To be honest, I think that many people living through a certain era tend to dislike it in some form or other. Yet, after the era has passed, they look back and think that parts were good, or it wasn't all as bad as you thought.
I think there's a whole big circle going on - and its going to keep going on and on. Things will change, music, tv and technology.
With the whole sex issue, Madonna pretty much sold sex as it was mentioned before. Britney, Christina et al do it now. In 10 years time it'll be some other girl. And Brit n Chris will look back on it all and shudder. As Madonna does now. However, I think Madonna's look in the 80s was very cool, whereas I do feel Christina Aguilera is just a slapper and dresses so slu tty. But that's just what society has made me think. We mostly all judge people by society's cultural and moral norms. Maybe in 19 years her dress code will be classed as 'normal' - who knows!
(Btw - I hate the majority of 'popular' music - I'm completly stuck in the 80s and am only 18.
Still it's not all bad. There are some very good bands around atm. For example, 'Idlewild', RHCP', 'Travis' etc...People tend to slag off 'Bubble gum pop' - yet 'Wham!' were classed as that, and many people on this board like them - whether they choose to admit it or not! ;D)
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Man, does the music suck today. I'm only 19 (birthyear in my username) and all of the CD's I own are from the 80's or 80's artist albums from the late 70's or 90's. I'm looking at what I own and I had never really considered it that much but I don't own CDs of the definitive artists who were at their peak of popularity in the 90's (except R.E.M., but they were getting popular in the late 80's anyway). Its not that the music today is mind-numbingly horrible so much as that it is mind-numbingly boring. Singers like Britney and Christina can't stand up to the awesome Debbie and Tiffany, either.
I think things started to go wrong when everyone switched from analog to digital production. This took some of the fun, vibrance, and even rawness out of the music. Coupled with the dullness of modern rock and pop, these two problems have killed music. I can't make a comparison on the importance of sex now and 15-20 years ago but, nevertheless, it is definitely a prevalent force nowadays.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Quoting:
I would just like to know the difference between the popstars of today, and the popstars of the past... What is the difference between Britney Spears and Madonna? Both used sex to sell albums, IMO Madonna was way more trashy with books like Sex.
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Difference is the fact that you're using Madonna as the measure for trashiness in Pop music. When Madonna first came in the 80s with whom was she compared to? Subjectively, from what I remember, she wasn't compared to any other Pop singer of the past. This is what makes the trashiness of Madonna unique in a sense and Britney as a mere corporate, sex doll with nothing to add to the scene.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Quoting:Singers like Britney and Christina can't stand up to the awesome Debbie and Tiffany, either. End Quote
I'll add:
Debbie and Tiffany didn't have to take off their clothes to be stars in the 80's. They had self-respect and dignity.
Well...
In Tiffany's case, back then anyway. ::)
Subject: Re: Modern culture
Quoting:
To be honest, I think that many people living through a certain era tend to dislike it in some form or other. Yet, after the era has passed, they look back and think that parts were good, or it wasn't all as bad as you thought.
I think there's a whole big circle going on - and its going to keep going on and on. Things will change, music, tv and technology.
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Good point.
I'm 28 and many things have changed in the last 10-15 years. For the most part, you never heard swearing on network television in the mid-late 80s. Today, it's much more common. Obviously, this is just one example.
IMO, I think each generation as they collectively reach older ages sees things as getting worse. One day, when I have kids, I'm sure I'll worry about what they're listening to or watching.
In the grand scheme of things there wasn't a so called "teenage "culture" until the 50's when Elvis became really popular. Remember in "Forrest Gump" when Forrest and his mom are walking down the street and he looks into a store and sees Elvis on TV shaking his hips and Forrest's mom says "that's not for childrens' eyes"? For the 50's what Elvis represented was controversial. These days that's almost G-rated. I think parents then must have been in horror about what was happening to kids. Motorcycles, rock n' roll, malt shops, "parking" their cars, etc. My generation saw these controversies as we watched "Happy Days" episodes.
While I worry about Modern culture, especially how its sold to kids, my opinion is you make the best out of the one you live in.
Subject: Re: Modern culture
you're right about modern culture. the 80s was so clean compared to today. there was a real innocence and optimism in the culture. everyone wasn't really more innocent or optimistic, but the culture reflected the more positive aspects of humanity.
take a movie like the karate kid. the kid had problems but he overcame them. look at e.t. - the family was broken up but they were good kids. it wasn't like now where you'll have a movie where the family is broken up, so the kids are out huffing paint in the garage.
this is the fundamental reason i get really nostalgic about the 80s. i feel like our culture is so depressing and cynical now. just look at christina aguilera. what a mess. it's sad. what that last disc an album, or a cry for help?
what happened to that positive vibe in art and culture? when will it come back? are there a lot of people who miss it?