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I saw Jimmy Snuka on Smackdown the other night and being in his early 50's,he still has his moves but is a little slow.He's gonna be in Rakishi's corner against Roddy Piper and Sean"O Haire at Backlash.Can't wait!  8)

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Feuds lose their impact because they change every month, wrestlers change from Heel to Face and vise-versa every couple of minutes - it's all disguised as controversy. I call it stupidity!
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Tell me about it! So far in 2003, the Rock has gone from face to heel and back to face! What is that about? I was just warming up to The Rock has a heel again.

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How about everyone's opinion on Mr.America? Don't we all know that's Hulk Hogan? I mean,jeez isn't that obvious? He doesn't want to say he's Hulk Hogan but we know that he is! This has to be the most stupidest gimmick right now on Smackdown. >:(

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Yep. It's like the "The Machines" gimmick from '86. I wonder how much longer Hogan is going to stick around. Unlike Ric Flair, Hogan can't really go anymore. I think the match against the Rock at Wrestlemania X-8 was the best way he could've gone out.

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If that was the case, Mr Crowly, then it would be a good idea for wrestlers in general to rehearse their matches to the point where they create classics - like the one I mentioned previously.

Thanks for the 'Wrestlecrap' site. William Regal being the real man's man was absolutely funny. I saw him at Survivor Series '99 in that gimmick.

What was funny was the debut of 'Shockmaster' in the WCW (Tugboat/Typhoon in WWF). What was supposed to happen was that Sting was supposed to introduce him, pyrotechnics went off and he would break through a wall - Oh yes he broke through the wall . . . tripped, fell over and his mask fell off!  ;D

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Does anybody remember the good old wrestlers (some of whom are still around) who traded real kicks back then? The Ultimate Warrior really ruled the arena of stars which include Rowdy (he's back!) Roddy Piper, Andre The Giant, Hogan, Jake The Snake, Mr Wonderful.....etc
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British Bulldogs!

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If that was the case, Mr Crowly, then it would be a good idea for wrestlers in general to rehearse their matches to the point where they create classics - like the one I mentioned previously.
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Hey Bobby!

If I'm not mistaken, Pat Patterson had a big hand in scripting the Hogan-Warrior and Hogan-Rock Wrestlemania matches, focusing more on the ring psychology. I was stunned when Warrior pinned Hogan in '90.  

My friend and I went to Toronto last year for Wrestlemania X-8 and I couldn't believe how over Hogan was. The man owns Toronto, I guess! That match left a lot of people emotionally drained, and I'd say at least 1,000 people left after that match was over, even though they still had two matches left on the card.

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Hey Bobby!

If I'm not mistaken, Pat Patterson had a big hand in scripting the Hogan-Warrior and Hogan-Rock Wrestlemania matches, focusing more on the ring psychology. I was stunned when Warrior pinned Hogan in '90.  End Quote

Hi PhiKapDave!

I don't doubt that! The match was played out so that nobody got the upper hand until the end of the match.

I was dissapointed with Hulk Hogan/Rock match. It was o.k, but not the Hulk/Andre proportions we were promised.

Ultimate Warrior winning the belt was perhaps the WWFs biggest upset! The stupid thing was that it was a 'Champion v Champion' match so that whoever won had both belts! Now after the match, Warrior was forced to relinquish the Intercontinental title belt (because at the time they were not allowed two belts at the same time - tell that to Diesel!) and put it up in a tournament. Mr Perfect won the tournament after beating Tito Santana.

Cheers.

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Ultimate Warrior winning the belt was perhaps the WWFs biggest upset!
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Didn't Hogan say that he had reservations about dropping the belt to the Warrior? I though I read/heard that Hogan felt that Warrior wasn't ready for that spot and didn't have the passion for the business.

The Champion vs. Champion angle was rehashed when Goldberg beat Hogan for the WCW title in '98, wasn't it? Wasn't the U.S. title put up for grabs after Goldberg won?

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Didn't Hogan say that he had reservations about dropping the belt to the Warrior?

The Champion vs. Champion angle was rehashed when Goldberg beat Hogan for the WCW title in '98, wasn't it? Wasn't the U.S. title put up for grabs after Goldberg won?
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I have no idea on both accounts PhiKapDave. I think that wrestlers should keep the belts until they are lost via pinfall or submission. That is part of the glory of having the belts! Otherwise, there's no point in having pointless 'Champion v Champion' angles.

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So far Bobby,he had on Jimmy Snuka,Rakishi,Mr.America,Vince McMahon,and last night Eddie Guerreo and Tajiri.

Howard

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Roddy Piper was released because of drug abuse. I am grieved to hear of the news. Roddy was the original 'Steve Austin'.
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Talk about bad timing! I'm going to the Smackdown taping this coming Tuesday in Rochester, New York, and I was looking forward to seeing the Hot Rod!

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Enjoy it anyway, PhiKapDave! Smackdown is much better than 'Raw' and it's going to make more than the loss of Roddy Piper to change it.

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Enjoy it anyway, PhiKapDave! Smackdown is much better than 'Raw' and it's going to make more than the loss of Roddy Piper to change it.
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Hey Bobby, you're right about that. I'm going to Raw tomorrow in Buffalo, New York, and I'm really only looking forward to seeing Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels (whom I've only seen live once).....oh, I can't forget Stacy Keibler.  ;D

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Hey Bobby, you're right about that. I'm going to Raw tomorrow in Buffalo, New York, and I'm really only looking forward to seeing Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels (whom I've only seen live once).....oh, I can't forget Stacy Keibler.  ;D
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Their last match at Bad Blood ended awfully (interruption by Randy Orton). I presume pessimistically that tomorrow's match will end the same way.

Is there supposed to be a match between Kane v HHH? The stipulation being that if Kane loses the match, he loses his mask? I would love to be there for that at least - There has to be an outcome.  :)

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Their last match at Bad Blood ended awfully (interruption by Randy Orton). I presume pessimistically that tomorrow's match will end the same way.

Is there supposed to be a match between Kane v HHH? The stipulation being that if Kane loses the match, he loses his mask? I would love to be there for that at least - There has to be an outcome.  :)
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The HHH-Kane match was last week, and Kane did in fact lose the mask. But I didn't get to see the unmasking because my VCR cut off about a minute before it happened.  >:(

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The HHH-Kane match was last week, and Kane did in fact lose the mask. But I didn't get to see the unmasking because my VCR cut off about a minute before it happened.  >:(
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Oh dear, ha! ha! He'll probably go back to being Isaac Yankem now. He can't be fake Diesel because Kevin Nash is back in the WWE!  ;D

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Oh dear, ha! ha! He'll probably go back to being Isaac Yankem now. He can't be fake Diesel because Kevin Nash is back in the WWE!  ;D
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I wasn't watching wrestling as much during that time, so I don't remember Yankem or Fake Diesel that well. Man some of the cheesy gimmicks they had in the '90s...... ::)

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Let's see after 6,7 years Kane decides to get rid of the mask.So now,what is his future in WWF? probably to do a promo on why it sucked to be Kane and say he never had a brother nor did he ever have a Father OR had a girlfriend named Katie.That promo would rock the house.
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LOL! Yeah! That his father wasn't Paul Bearer (Percy Pringle) and that he never got burnt in the first place.

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Now I'm partial to The Rock.  :) I know, I know, can't help myself though.
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We talking old Rock (Don Morraco) or new Rock (Dwayne Johnson)? ;)

Kryllith

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Don't forget about The BIg Boss Man, LOD, Jim "The Anvil" Nitehart, The Prisoner From Orange County (I think they billed him as The shocker), Shamrock, Seargent Slaughter, 1-2-3 Kid, Road Dog Jesse James, Cactus Jack, The Tug Boat, Yokozuma, Dino Bravo, Virgil, Bam Bam Bigelo, Van Vader and many others to be named later.
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the prizoner  from orange county was nalez he had a fude with the bossman  and had an even  bigger fuid  with vince backstage   shocker youre thinking of the shockmaster   played by  jhonoats (tugboat typhoon)

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I think that Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair should have one last match together before they both retire.
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The WWF really dropped the ball during Flair's first run in the company in the early '90s. I think he and Hogan only fought once or twice at house shows. That was a dream feud back then, and to not have them wrestle on a pay-per-view is something I still don't understand. The Flair-Hogan matches in WCW were anticlimactic to me.

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We talking old Rock (Don Morraco) or new Rock (Dwayne Johnson)? ;)

Kryllith
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Oh definitely new Rock (Dwayne)!!  He's just so yummy. ;)

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How about the gay gimmicks from back when...

Adrian Adonis
Goldust
AND now Rico who gooses guys' butts
and kisses them.Unbelieveable! ;D

Howard
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There was a British wrestler called 'Adrian Street' back in the 70s and he said that once Adrian Adonis admitted he was gay, that was the end of the gimmick.

In Adrian Street's eyes (and rightly so), the idea of making the crowd wonder about a wrestler's sexual inclination was more rivetting than letting the crowd know. There is no mystery after that!

The WWE have this constant issue with homosexuality in wrestling. Portraying it as a charicature (especially in the case of Billy Gunn and Chuck Palumbo's gay wedding).

Goldust wasn't 'gay'. His wife was Terri Runnells (I believe this is Goldust's surname - Virgil 'Dusty Rhodes' Runnells son). He was just kinky, wearing ladies lingerie and the sort. Why they resorted to him doing this I have no idea because initally he was a cinema buff.

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I told you all that I'd be back. Here are a few more that I forgot: Chief J.J. Strombone, Tanaka, Rooster, The Bad Guy Razor Ramone, Earthquake, The Bushwackers (the original Dudley Boyz), Jerry the King Lauler, The late "The Gorilla" Monsoon,and "Classey" Freddy Valase. Thats it for now. Maybe I'll remember more later.
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I'm impressed by your knowledge Mopar (though that is Chief Jay Strongbow and, even though Tanaka was part of 'The Orient Express' with Kato, I believe you was talking about Tatanka who debuted in WWF in 1992).

Does anybody remember Honky Tonk Man (that guy cracked me up everytime), Akeem - The African Dream (One man gang), Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake, the late Mr.Perfect and not forgetting Rick 'The Model' Martel - his feud with Jake 'The Snake' Roberts was great!

The WWE had some really duff gimmicks that were dropped almost as soon as they started. The half man, half beast 'Mantaur' lasted one P-P-V, Sabba Simba lasted one P-P-V, PJ Hopper (is that correct?) was a plumber, 'The Stalker' lasted one p-p-v and God almighty what were they thinking about when Survivor Series 4 introduced us to The GobbledyGooker?

The most interesting part of this was around the time of 'PJ Hopper and 'The Stalker' (Barry Windham from WCW under make-up) that 'Farooq' (Ron Simmons from WCW) entered the WWF dressed in ancient war armour. His gimmick was being a warrior before he became the head of The Nation of Domination. Now he is part of the APA with the guy formerly known as Justin 'Hawk' Bradshaw.

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The WWF really dropped the ball during Flair's first run in the company in the early '90s. I think he and Hogan only fought once or twice at house shows. That was a dream feud back then, and to not have them wrestle on a pay-per-view is something I still don't understand. The Flair-Hogan matches in WCW were anticlimactic to me.
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I know that Hulk Hogan beat Flair cleanly at 'Bash at the Beach '94 for the WCW title. Since then, Ric Flair has only really been able to beat Hogan using interference.

I liked their match at Uncensored '99. It was a steel cage match with barbed wire around the top. Despite a stupid ending, the match was fine.

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Does anybody remember Honky Tonk Man (that guy cracked me up everytime), Akeem - The African Dream (One man gang), Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake, the late Mr.Perfect and not forgetting Rick 'The Model' Martel - his feud with Jake 'The Snake' Roberts was great!
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I remember them all very well. The Honky Tonk Man was great! He was a great heel. But I think about when he debuted in '87 and I wonder if they tried to make him a face first. He came out, trying to win the fans over and nobody liked him. Jesse "The Body" Ventura even called him "greaseball." They had a "yay or nay" poll for people to voice their opinions of the Honky Tonk Man and he got mostly "nays." He cut a promo about how he was done kissing ugly babies and shaking sweaty hands. It was great! From then on, he was on a roll.

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I remember them all very well. The Honky Tonk Man was great! He was a great heel. But I think about when he debuted in '87 and I wonder if they tried to make him a face first. He came out, trying to win the fans over and nobody liked him. Jesse "The Body" Ventura even called him "greaseball." They had a "yay or nay" poll for people to voice their opinions of the Honky Tonk Man and he got mostly "nays." He cut a promo about how he was done kissing ugly babies and shaking sweaty hands. It was great! From then on, he was on a roll.End Quote

Pure genius, PhiKapDave! One of the biggest pops I heard was The Honky Tonk Man losing his long IC title reign by getting pinned within a minute courtesy of The Ultimate Warrior at Summerslam '88.  ;D

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Pure genius, PhiKapDave! One of the biggest pops I heard was The Honky Tonk Man losing his long IC title reign by getting pinned within a minute courtesy of The Ultimate Warrior at Summerslam '88.  ;D
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I agree, Bobby! It was cool how they set that up, too. "Gimme somebody out here to wrestle I don't care who it is!" You knew Honky Tonk Man was just asking it. What a squash that was.

Wasn't that originally Beefcake's match before he got injured in the boating accident?

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I agree, Bobby! It was cool how they set that up, too. "Gimme somebody out here to wrestle I don't care who it is!" You knew Honky Tonk Man was just asking it. What a squash that was.

Wasn't that originally Beefcake's match before he got injured in the boating accident?
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Yes it was Brutus's match initially. Brutus Beefcake got ambushed by 'The Outlaw' Ron Bass. He choked him with his lasso and then run the spurs over Brutus's face making him bleed profusely (quite a risky move for the WWF at the time).

Brutus's Parasailing accident happened around 1990.

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Yes it was Brutus's match initially. Brutus Beefcake got ambushed by 'The Outlaw' Ron Bass. He choked him with his lasso and then run the spurs over Brutus's face making him bleed profusely (quite a risky move for the WWF at the time).

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OK, thanks for clearing that up. I remember that Bass-Beefcake incident now. Speaking of risky moves, remember Randy Savage's bloody biceps after he was bitten by Damien? That was something!

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I felt for a long time that Randy Savage was streets ahead of anyone else when it came to coming up with a new feud. The only two duff ones I know him to have been in was Dusty Rhodes (1990) and Crush (1994).

Background knowledge for other people: Undertaker and Jake Roberts ruined the 'wedding' of Machoman/the late Elizabeth by putting a snake in a box as a present for the couple.

In respect to the Jake Roberts incident (at Tuesday in Texas '91?), that got the crowd absolutely hysterical! When I watched it for the first time, I thought it was as amazing as anything I've watched before. What topped it off for me was Machoman acting delirious after the episode and refusing to lie on a stretcher - that was drama! Good call!

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I've never seen it but I read it in WWF magazine. Jake Roberts was a true professional. I could easily watch and believe what he is doing.

I saw him recently at the Plymouth Pavillions. He still has that charisma even though he is about 50 now. However, I think his most embarrassing moment was with his feud with Jerry 'The King' Lawler around Summerslam '96. This was all based around the fact that Jerry was calling him an alcoholic and ended when Lawler smashed a bottle over his head - considering what Jake got up to, I'm surprised he didn't accuse him of being a drug addict as well.

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I've never seen it but I read it in WWF magazine. Jake Roberts was a true professional. I could easily watch and believe what he is doing.

I saw him recently at the Plymouth Pavillions. He still has that charisma even though he is about 50 now. However, I think his most embarrassing moment was with his feud with Jerry 'The King' Lawler around Summerslam '96. This was all based around the fact that Jerry was calling him an alcoholic and ended when Lawler smashed a bottle over his head - considering what Jake got up to, I'm surprised he didn't accuse him of being a drug addict as well.
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Bobby, have you seen the Beyond the Mat documentary? It's depressing seeing Jake's life at that point. Terry Funk's, too.

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Yes I did, PhiKapDave. Both guys are on the tail-ends of their illustrious careers (Funk more so than Jake, just about). I think what is worrying about their situation is that Jake can not stop wrestling and Terry Funk doesn't know when to. I really think he shouldn't have fought Cactus Jack in those Japanese death match tournaments.

This leads me onto something that troubled me from Beyond the mat and that was when they showed a part of Royal Rumble '99 when Cactus got his head caved in by the Rock and his chair. Foley's daughter was sitting at ringside crying her eyes out. She should never have witnessed her dad at that age getting his clock cleaned - booked or not. Straight after the match, Foley was rushed out, put on a stretcher and had the gaping hole in his head stitched up.

That is my answer to people that say wrestling is fake. It's not! Matches are rehearsed and consequences are settled before they happen but what goes on in the ring leaves serious injuries - Now more so than ever.

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Yes I did, PhiKapDave. Both guys are on the tail-ends of their illustrious careers (Funk more so than Jake, just about). I think what is worrying about their situation is that Jake can not stop wrestling and Terry Funk doesn't know when to. I really think he shouldn't have fought Cactus Jack in those Japanese death match tournaments.

This leads me onto something that troubled me from Beyond the mat and that was when they showed a part of Royal Rumble '99 when Cactus got his head caved in by the Rock and his chair. Foley's daughter was sitting at ringside crying her eyes out. She should never have witnessed her dad at that age getting his clock cleaned - booked or not. Straight after the match, Foley was rushed out, put on a stretcher and had the gaping hole in his head stitched up.

That is my answer to people that say wrestling is fake. It's not! Matches are rehearsed and consequences are settled before they happen but what goes on in the ring leaves serious injuries - Now more so than ever.
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I agree. Foley's kids shouldn't have witnessed that. You saw how badly he felt about his kids crying when he watched the tape back himself. I remember hearing that Foley had some heat toward The Rock for a while after that match.

I hate the term "fake." When Joanie Laurer gave interviews, I often heard her used "fake" to describe wrestling, and I'd cringe every time.
           

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I agree. Foley's kids shouldn't have witnessed that. You saw how badly he felt about his kids crying when he watched the tape back himself. I remember hearing that Foley had some heat toward The Rock for a while after that match.

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LOL. It was both their fault that they gave too much of a convincing show.

As for Joanie Laurer (Chyna), did she have anything against wrestling despite being involved with it for at least three years?

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LOL. It was both their fault that they gave too much of a convincing show.

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It was a convincing match....and very entertaining! The Rock was hilarious as a heel back then. His heel run this year was OK (and too short!), but he was great during the Nation of Domination/Corporation days.

I don't think Laurer had anything against wrestling in the interviews that I saw. She was actually defending it, but by using the term "fake", she sure didn't help wrestling's cause much.

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I totally agree about his Nation of Domination/Corporation days but I think The Rock got carried away with his role this time around. He seemed less convincing.

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The Rock actually booted Farooq out of his own Nation Of Domination in 1998.

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One of my favorite Rock skits is the one where he got all the Nation members Rolex watches, but gave Farooq a big picture of himself with Intercontinental title!

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And smashed the picture over The Rock's head. ;D

Howard

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I've been a wrestling fan all my life. Back in the '70s as a young kid I used to go with my Dad, brother and grandma to the live wrestling shows in the town where I grew up (Southport) to see the big names of the day...the Brits on this board may remember Mick MacManus, Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks, Adrian Street, Les Kellett, Jackie Pallo etc. etc.

I've watched the WCW and WWF on cable TV in the UK for the last few years. My wife hates it and walks out of the room when I turn it on, she can't understand the appeal. I convinced her to stay in the room one evening recently but it was the night that Sable and Tori were in a bikini competition, so my wife's reaction was "aahhh, so THIS is why you watch it!?". I can't say that I don't enjoy seeing Tori in a bikini but it's honestly not the ONLY reason I watch the wrestling.

What I'm leading up to say however is that I'm completely disillusioned with what the WWE has to offer. It is so way beyond the pale now that there is no way I would consider letting my kids watch it, as I did when I was their age. The violence has got to a point that is completely unacceptable for a family audience. I regret to say that I really can't justify to my wife why I watch it anymore, so I won't.
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I remember all those British wrestlers. I mentioned Adrian Street earlier on in this thread. Les Kellet was known as a joker but in real life was a reclusive bully and hard as nails. I heard a story that he had an infected foot that had not been treated and his way of curing it was to smash it with a hammer!

I understand about the WWE's current situation, Maddog137. I thought the WWE learned from Royal Rumble 2000 when Mae Young won Miss Rumble 2000. She basically exposed herself on national TV (I think she's about 70/80) and it made me sick to my stomach.

I watched Bad Blood recently and yet Mae Young was back on the telly. The insinuation being that Eric Bischoff had to 'eat pie' (I will not go into what that means). She is an 80 year old woman for God's sake! Hasn't she got any scruples! Mae ended up broncobusting Eric and then Steve Austen stunnered her to avoid doing the same thing - absolutely disgusting!

Hasn't the WWE learned by now that it's not what they do, but how it is executed? Older wrestlers knew how to entertain but the 'newer generation' are just athletes - not entertainers.

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I remember all those British wrestlers. I mentioned Adrian Street earlier on in this thread. Les Kellet was known as a joker but in real life was a reclusive bully and hard as nails. I heard a story that he had an infected foot that had not been treated and his way of curing it was to smash it with a hammer!

I understand about the WWE's current situation, Maddog137. I thought the WWE learned from Royal Rumble 2000 when Mae Young won Miss Rumble 2000. She basically exposed herself on national TV (I think she's about 70/80) and it made me sick to my stomach.

I watched Bad Blood recently and yet Mae Young was back on the telly. The insinuation being that Eric Bischoff had to 'eat pie' (I will not go into what that means). She is an 80 year old woman for God's sake! Hasn't she got any scruples! Mae ended up broncobusting Eric and then Steve Austen stunnered her to avoid doing the same thing - absolutely disgusting!

Hasn't the WWE learned by now that it's not what they do, but how it is executed? Older wrestlers knew how to entertain but the 'newer generation' are just athletes - not entertainers.
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Mae Young should just kick the bucket already.What are they gonna have her entertain till she's 90 years old? >:(

Howard

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The NWA was about a thousand times better than the WWF.  I would take the 4 Horsemen, Road Warriors, Sting, Nikita Koloff, Magnum TA, Lex Luger, Rock & Roll Expres, Midnight Express, Steiners, etc. over any of the guys that Vince McMahon's sideshow could ever offer!  Better athletes, better actors.  WHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
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I liked NWA/WCW and was the first federation I started watching regularly. Road Warriors went to WWF back in 1990 and were perhaps the only tag team you could take seriously (even Demolition's three man swap at Summerslam 1990 had the potential to lose any credibility in them). They ruined it by having that ventriloquist dummy with them called 'Rocco' - Why WWF why?

The Steiners, in my opinion, where ruined when they came back from the WWF to WCW. Scott became 'Big Poppa Pump' (what's that all about?) and Rick had the catchy phrase 'Bite me'. Initially, the Steiners were the main reason why I was watching wrestling - now they are a joke (I haven't seen Rick for a while, I wonder what he's doing?)

The Rock 'n' Roll Express (Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson) and The Midnight Express (Bobby Eaton and Stan Lane). Both teams impressed me and were quintassential (Rock 'n' Roll express reminded me of a prototype Rockers). At the 1993 Survivor Series, The Rock 'n' Roll Express had a Smokey Mountain Tag title match with The Heavenly Bodies (Dr Tom Pritchard and Jimmy Del Ray). The match was excellent but the crowd weren't too impressed - Even as early as 1993, the crowd were conditioned to only accept WWF wrestling matches, which makes you wonder why the two tag teams wrestled in the first place.

Sting was alright (especially against his matches with Flair) but beyond the face-paint showed little charisma like Hulk Hogan did (hate him or not). However, I suppose this allowed Sting to play it straight and give him a human edge - That all went to pot when WCW decided to make him look like something out of 'The Crow'.

I never rated Lex Luger. He seemed so one dimensional. His matches were a bore (apart from one I remember with him against Stan 'The Lariat' Hansen) and a good physical body cannot make a good entertainer. Though during the end of WCW, he looked wierd and unnatural like he went mad with the steroids or something. Went to WWF and became 'The Narcissist' (Guffaw) and then tried to be Hulk Hogan 2. In fact, his Summerslam 93 match against Yokozuna was an almost remake of Hogan's clash with Earthquake back in 1990! I also saw a lot of similarities between the main event at Survivor Series 1990 and Survivor Series 1993.

The Four Horseman started off as Ric Flair, Ole and Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard. Ole was thrown out and replaced with Lex Luger who was then replaced by Sid Vicious. Tully was replaced by Barry Windham. The Horsemen were o.k but was more of a mob than a tag team. Usually keeping belts because of interference etc. WCW didn't know when to quit The Four Horsemen, by 1993/4 Paul Roma (of all people) joined - That marked the end I think.

Wow! Sorry I've gone on.  :D

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Tully Blanchard.

Wow! Sorry I've gone on.  :D
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I'm not sure whether he had the manager Baby Doll, bj26. I have a cage match somewhere featuring Baby Doll, I'll have a look at it later. I liked Buddy Landel - he didn't get the coverage he needed but was an entertaining wrestler. Following Ric Flair's footsteps wasn't a great career move either.

As for those other people you mentioned, I have no idea at all.

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Yes and they will still make her do those sick promos.  :-/

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Yes and they will still make her do those sick promos.  :-/
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God bless her! ;D

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Wow! We're getting into territory I'm not too sure about now.  ;D

I have a match featuring Curt Hennig teaming up with Baron Von Rasche in the AWA against the Road Warriors. The match ended when Hennig got his head caught between the ropes. I wish I did see more AWA matches because that's where a lot of the old WWF wrestlers came from - esp. Hulk Hogan, Tom Zenk and Rick Martel, Curt Hennig etc . . .

Is BlackJack Mulligan related to Barry Windham? I know he teamed up with Bradshaw in 1996/1997 to form The New Blackjacks for a short while. Stan Hansen was a tough cowboy-type character who was partial to hanging people with his lariat and chewing tobacco.

I have certainly heard of Verne Gagne. Quite a legend but haven't seen him in a wrestling match.
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nope...that was Bradshaw before he teamed with Farooq to form Acolytes.

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The NWA was about a thousand times better than the WWF.  I would take the 4 Horsemen, Road Warriors, Sting, Nikita Koloff, Magnum TA, Lex Luger, Rock & Roll Expres, Midnight Express, Steiners, etc. over any of the guys that Vince McMahon's sideshow could ever offer!  Better athletes, better actors.  WHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
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I loved the NWA from 1985-89. The first NWA show I went to featured the cage match between Ric Flair and Ron Garvin in '87 and Garvin won the World title that night. I was stunned as I didn't expect Garvin to win.

And one of the most exciting matches I ever saw was during a house show on the Great American Bash Tour in the summer of '88. It was an eight-man tag with Dusty Rhodes, Lex Luger and The Road Warriors vs. Flair, Tully Blanchard, Arn Anderson and Barry Windham.

The WWE is finally going to make good use of the NWA/WCW video library when they put on the Flair 3-DVD set and the cage matches DVD which is supposed to include the Flair-Garvin cage match, Magnum T.A. vs. Tully Blanchard from '85, the Rock and Roll Express vs. Ole and Arn Anderson from '86 and Flair vs. Rhodes from '86.

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How about the AWA with Verne Gagne and his son Greg!
Greg Gagne teamed up with the now beefier Curt Hennig and they turned out to be tag team members.
In real life and before they teamed up they were bitter rivals.

Greg Gagne? What was he doing in wrestling?
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I didn't get to see much AWA stuff. I remember Henning and Scott Hall teaming up at one point, and I remember when Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty (The Rockers) were there. The only time I watched the AWA was when it was on ESPN.

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nope...that was Bradshaw before he teamed with Farooq to form Acolytes.
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I'm sorry Howard I don't understand. I knew Justin 'Hawk' Bradshaw teamed with Barry Windham to form the New Blackjacks before he became involved with 'The Acolytes' with 'The All-American' Ron Simmons as he was dubbed in WCW.

If I remember correctly, Windham became 'The Stalker' in 1997 with very limited success. In 1989, he almost got onto the Survivor Series 3rd Annual as 'The Widowmaker' but was dropped for 'The Canadian Earthquake as he was billed at the time.

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mary lou was not with tully blanchard she was with the honkt tonk man let me explain  it all starded at summerslam 89  during a match with fat boy rhods  near the  end of the  match   jimmy heart went to hit dust over the head with the guitar  but hit honk instead  resulting in dusty getting the match and honky getting a concussion as a result of  the accident honky beleved he actully was   elvis  he starded acting like him even more  so to go with the gimmik wwf had him   team up with two very anoying assistints in marylou and baby doll the gimmik helped to distroy honkys carrer and he whould leve the wwf in 1990 after wrestlemania 6

wcw  
it was a excelent company but vince russos ideas   ruind it in the end   i honestly thought  lex luger was much better in wcw than wwf   he was a lot faster  in there and what he was in wwf  
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I'm not too sure about Mary Lou, Mr Crowly but 'Peggy Sue' (Sherri Martel with a load of make-up on) was The Honky Tonk Man's manager after Jimmy Hart's mistake at Summerslam 89. Around this time, he teamed up with Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine (another wrestler, as much I loved him, was going nowhere) to form 'Rhythm and Blues'. They entered Wrestlemania 6 to perform 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love' (which was risible to say the least) but got their equipment destroyed by The Bushwhackers posing as vendors.
Quick Fact: 'Diamond' Dallas Page was driving the Cadillac to the ring.

Honky Tonk Man left the WWF after Survivor Series 1990, returned at Royal Rumble 1998 (he didn't do bad in that) and yet again at Royal Rumble 2001 (where he lasted about a minute).

As for Lex Luger, the WWF were trying to recycle old successful ideas around 1993/1994 as they were getting a bit desperate. Lex Luger was the awful 'Narcissist' - who couldn't have a decent match against Mr Perfect at Wrestlemania 9. His 'All-American' gimmick came about when Yokozuna challenged everybody to slam him in an event held before Summerslam 93. After everybody failed, Lex came aboard the ship on a helicopter and promptly slammed him. Hulk Hogan 2 was born but lost it's steam just after Wrestlemania 10.

Yes you are right, Mr Crowly. I would like to hold Vince Russo responsible for the demise of WCW. The plot-lines were awful and smelt of desperacy.

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I'm sorry Howard I don't understand. I knew Justin 'Hawk' Bradshaw teamed with Barry Windham to form the New Blackjacks before he became involved with 'The Acolytes' with 'The All-American' Ron Simmons as he was dubbed in WCW.

If I remember correctly, Windham became 'The Stalker' in 1997 with very limited success. In 1989, he almost got onto the Survivor Series 3rd Annual as 'The Widowmaker' but was dropped for 'The Canadian Earthquake as he was billed at the time.
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Wow Bob,you sure know your wrestling!  :)


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Wow Bob,you sure know your wrestling!  :)
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Yeah! I'm a bit of a 'mark' aren't I?  :)

I have a lot of wrestling video tapes (approx. over 100) and about 15 wrestling DVDs so I could be classed as borderline obsessive.  ;D

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Yeah! I'm a bit of a 'mark' aren't I?  :)

I have a lot of wrestling video tapes (approx. over 100) and about 15 wrestling DVDs so I could be classed as borderline obsessive.  ;D
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I have been collecting tapes since 1990-1999(about 9 years give or take a few years since I stopped taping wrestling PPV anymore)magazines,posters,shirts.That's basically it.

I wouldn't call myself a "mark". :)


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I have been collecting tapes since 1990-1999(about 9 years give or take a few years since I stopped taping wrestling PPV anymore)magazines,posters,shirts.That's basically it.

I wouldn't call myself a "mark". :)
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Have you seen Wrestlemania 3, Howard? That was the main reason I got into wrestling. I only wondered because that was in 1987, before your video collection started.

If you haven't, I suggest you try and get a copy pronto. The main event is Hulk Hogan V Andre the Giant but that isn't completely what made this P-P-V one of the best of all time.

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Have you seen Wrestlemania 3, Howard? That was the main reason I got into wrestling. I only wondered because that was in 1987, before your video collection started.

If you haven't, I suggest you try and get a copy pronto. The main event is Hulk Hogan V Andre the Giant but that isn't completely what made this P-P-V one of the best of all time.
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Hey Bobby, I was there! I was 15. I've still got my ticket stub in a photo album someplace. I was in the 200 level directly above where the wrestlers made their entrance. We were on the same level as the broadcast booths at the Silverdome. My best friend ran into Jesse Ventura as he was getting on an elevator. Jesse wouldn't sign an autograph for my friend, though, LOL.

I can still watch the Savage-Steamboat match and never get bored. Savage-Steamboat and The Hart Foundation/Danny Davis vs. the British Bulldogs/Tito Santana matches were my favorites. And I've never heard a pop since as loud as the when Hogan slammed Andre.

The WWF was very kind to Detroit at that time. They held Saturday Night's Main Event in Detroit in February '87 (I was there, too) then had Wrestlemania III the next month. Also, the Wrestlemania III press conference was held about 10 minutes from my parents' house - at a hotel in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Michigan.

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Hey Bobby, I was there! I was 15. I've still got my ticket stub in a photo album someplace. I was in the 200 level directly above where the wrestlers made their entrance. We were on the same level as the broadcast booths at the Silverdome. My best friend ran into Jesse Ventura as he was getting on an elevator. Jesse wouldn't sign an autograph for my friend, though, LOL.

I can still watch the Savage-Steamboat match and never get bored. Savage-Steamboat and The Hart Foundation/Danny Davis vs. the British Bulldogs/Tito Santana matches were my favorites. And I've never heard a pop since as loud as the when Hogan slammed Andre.

The WWF was very kind to Detroit at that time. They held Saturday Night's Main Event in Detroit in February '87 (I was there, too) then had Wrestlemania III the next month. Also, the Wrestlemania III press conference was held about 10 minutes from my parents' house - at a hotel in the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Michigan.
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You are a lucky man, PhiKapDave. Wrestlemania 3 was the first P-P-V I watched when I was 9. I have rated every Wrestlemania against it and, for me, the only one that has come close is Wrestlemania 7. I would have loved to be a part of it.

I loved those carts that wrestlers used to ride on to get to the ring. The only time that was repeated was Wrestlemania 6 but I think they should have a regular appearance.

Savage V Steamboat is the reason I am still a wrestling fan! That match was beautiful from start to finish. Both men were full of quality.

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You are a lucky man, PhiKapDave. Wrestlemania 3 was the first P-P-V I watched when I was 9. I have rated every Wrestlemania against it and, for me, the only one that has come close is Wrestlemania 7. I would have loved to be a part of it.

I loved those carts that wrestlers used to ride on to get to the ring. The only time that was repeated was Wrestlemania 6 but I think they should have a regular appearance.

Savage V Steamboat is the reason I am still a wrestling fan! That match was beautiful from start to finish. Both men were full of quality.
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Bobby, that's great that Wrestlemania III was your first PPV. My first PPV (I actually saw it on closed circuit TV) was Wrestlemania II, which was on a Tuesday night, not Sunday! My area didn't have PPV capability for Wrestlemania III. Those were the EARLY days of PPV. Some parts of Michigan had PPV access, but otherwise, closed circuit TV was the only option if you didn't have a ticket to the show.

I loved the carts, too.

Steamboat-Savage stole the show. I think Chris Jericho referred to that as his favorite match.

A few things I remember about my Wrestlemania III experience:

- The Can-Am Connection, Don Muraco, Cowboy Bob Orton and Mr. Fuji were in the ring for at least 20 minutes before the PPV actually started. They were standing in opposite corners doing nothing until Aretha Franklin showed up to perform "America the Beautiful."

- Before Brutus Beefcake did the run-in during the Rowdy Roddy Piper-Adrian Adonis match, Beefcake was sitting on the left side of aisleway next to the fans. He was about halfway between the tunnel and the ring. You couldn't see him on camera shots, obviously, but we knew then that he was going to be involved in the match somehow. Speaking of Piper, it was at Wrestlemania III that I learned not to take retirements in wrestling seriously. I bought a "Hot Rod" T-shirt that day, thinking that since Piper was retiring, the shirt would soon be a collector's item. It seemed like he was back in no time. I think Piper filmed the movie They Live during his time off after Wrestlemania III.

- It was so hot in the Silverdome that I nearly passed out. I had never seen that many people in one place before then. I also caught a terrible cold because it was pouring rain afterward and it took us forever to find our parking spot.

- I had a video filled with news footage about Wrestlemania III, but I trashed it before I left for college. One gem on the tape was an interview that The Hart Foundation did on a Detroit talk show called Kelly and Company. I think it was an hour long. I could tell that Bret wasn't used to being in the spotlight yet because he didn't say much and he looked nervous. Jim Neidhart and Jimmy Hart were great, though. It was all kayfabe. I wish I hadn't trashed that tape because the interview was great and a rare one, too.

I went to Wrestlemania X-8 in Toronto last year and I was surprised at how much of an event Wrestlemania has become compared to 1987. There was no Axxess, no Wrestlemania weekend back then. It was just the show. Wrestlemania X-8 was good, but Wrestlemania III will always be special to me.

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Bobby, that's great that Wrestlemania III was your first PPV. My first PPV (I actually saw it on closed circuit TV) was Wrestlemania II, which was on a Tuesday night, not Sunday! My area didn't have PPV capability for Wrestlemania III. Those were the EARLY days of PPV. Some parts of Michigan had PPV access, but otherwise, closed circuit TV was the only option if you didn't have a ticket to the show.
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Wow! Thanks for the info. There seemed to be a big leap in production values from Wrestlemania 2 (the one from 3 seperate arenas) to Wrestlemania 3.

I didn't mind some of Wrestlemania 2. Bits of it were quite bizarre (like the Adrian Adonis V Uncle Elmar match where Adonis wore a dress and make-up to the ring). The Machoman/Steele match was a touch on the loopy side as well (Machoman hits Steele with a bouquet of flowers at one point and then Steele starts chewing on a turnbuckle).

I kind of liked the cage match (when a cage was a cage) between Hulk and King Kong Bundy - a bit predictable but entertaining. I think the nights sleeper match was The British Bulldogs V The Dream Team for the tag team titles however.

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Wow! Thanks for the info. There seemed to be a big leap in production values from Wrestlemania 2 (the one from 3 seperate arenas) to Wrestlemania 3.

I didn't mind some of Wrestlemania 2. Bits of it were quite bizarre (like the Adrian Adonis V Uncle Elmar match where Adonis wore a dress and make-up to the ring). The Machoman/Steele match was a touch on the loopy side as well (Machoman hits Steele with a bouquet of flowers at one point and then Steele starts chewing on a turnbuckle).

I kind of liked the cage match (when a cage was a cage) between Hulk and King Kong Bundy - a bit predictable but entertaining. I think the nights sleeper match was The British Bulldogs V The Dream Team for the tag team titles however.
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Bobby, I thought Savage's feud with George "The Animal" Steele was very entertaining. I loved the way Steele's unorthodox movements got to Savage. He sold Steele's craziness very well. By the way, Steele was a football coach in a neighboring city where I grew up. He was interviewed by a local TV station in the late '80s and it was totally out of character. I was floored!

I agree with you on the Bulldogs-Dream Team match. I was a big Dream Team mark back then, mainly because of Greg "The Hammer" Valentine, but I liked the Bulldogs, too. Their matches with The Hart Foundation were pure gold.

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Good man! Well worth the rent money.  :D

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Bobby, I thought Savage's feud with George "The Animal" Steele was very entertaining. I loved the way Steele's unorthodox movements got to Savage. He sold Steele's craziness very well. By the way, Steele was a football coach in a neighboring city where I grew up. He was interviewed by a local TV station in the late '80s and it was totally out of character. I was floored!End Quote

Oh the match was definitely entertaining. Back in those days wrestlers could act a character and provide decent chemistry/psychology in the ring - that is what is lacking big style these days which is why wrestling, as Howard pointed it, is now more cornier than ever.

I would have loved to seen that interview, Steele playing it straight. That is a testament to him. :D

I liked Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine. I don't know what it was exactly but he was a great heel. I liked the way he would drop forward whenever he got hit (Ric Flair style, only Greg would sell the drop).