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Subject: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Tony J Case on 03/21/06 at 12:06 am

From the 2002 Beloit College Mindset List -

(and Yes, I know that some kids today know all about pacman and rotary phones. Just work with me here)

BELOIT COLLEGE'S
CLASS OF 2002 MINDSET LIST
01. The people starting college this fall across the nation were born in 1980.
02. They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan era, and did not know he had ever been shot.
03. They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged.
04. Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression.
05. There has only been one Pope. They can only remember one other president.
*edit* Looks like number 5 no longer applies

06. They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart, and do not remember the Cold War.
07. They have never feared a nuclear war. "The Day After" is a pill to them

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Marty McFly on 03/21/06 at 12:13 am

Hey, that first list brings back memories, and not in a good way, LOL (I remember it was circulating at the time my folks and I shared a computer. My dad had friends who passed on jokes and such, so I saw it one day).

Perhaps I should've been amused (that was the intent of it, not to really be scientific), but I remember being P*SSED at the time, LOL. I just didn't find it funny at all, first, because I knew I was basically contradictory to everything on the list (and I was 1-2 years YOUNGER than that!), and second, because I felt that it made people look stupid on everything that happened in the world or in pop culture before they were 12.

However, I guess I can take it with a grain of salt today. Still not saying I like it, but I was defensive as h*ll about it when I was 16 in 1997/98. ;D

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: ultraviolet52 on 03/21/06 at 2:22 am

Hmmm, some of this comes off as inaccurate. Anything that says "never" is a bit of a fallacy, so yeah, this list does piss me off a bit, but hey, whoever wrote it will probably have to take English 101 again to correct those things, so it's not of my worry!

One more thing that kinda irks me is that these people don't take into consideration that kids born in 1980 never noticed Johnny Carson on their TV set for 12 years of their life - Ughh, who wrote this thing!? Even I remember watching Johnny Carson and watching his last show (which was on my tenth birthday in 1992).

Okay, I better stop reading this... before the novelty wears off...

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: bbigd04 on 03/21/06 at 2:29 am


Hmmm, some of this comes off as inaccurate. Anything that says "never" is a bit of a fallacy, so yeah, this list does piss me off a bit, but hey, whoever wrote it will probably have to take English 101 again to correct those things, so it's not of my worry!

One more thing that kinda irks me is that these people don't take into consideration that kids born in 1980 never noticed Johnny Carson on their TV set for 12 years of their life - Ughh, who wrote this thing!? Even I remember watching Johnny Carson and watching his last show (which was on my tenth birthday in 1992).

Okay, I better stop reading this... before the novelty wears off...


Yea this list is especially inaccurate if it written about kids born in 1980. I was born in 1987 and I remember when stamps were still 29 cents. I clicked the link and for the class of 2009, which would be for people are my age one of the things is "61. Digital cameras have always existed.", ummmm not true I easily remember before digital cameras existed.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Marty McFly on 03/21/06 at 2:31 am


Hmmm, some of this comes off as inaccurate. Anything that says "never" is a bit of a fallacy, so yeah, this list does piss me off a bit, but hey, whoever wrote it will probably have to take English 101 again to correct those things, so it's not of my worry!

One more thing that kinda irks me is that these people don't take into consideration that kids born in 1980 never noticed Johnny Carson on their TV set for 12 years of their life - Ughh, who wrote this thing!? Even I remember watching Johnny Carson and watching his last show (which was on my tenth birthday in 1992).

Okay, I better stop reading this... before the novelty wears off...


Yeah, you know, I've often wondered who wrote these things, LOL. Let's just say, for sake of this post, it was simply an astute, pop culture minded person born in 1950.

I've often said I believe recent generations (I'm definitely including myself too  ;)) have more of an attachment to their childhood than in the past. People who were kids in the '80s or later. Due just to having so much - video game systems, Internet, MTV, VCR's, movies, cool toys, etc.

This is a concept perhaps lost on someone born in 1950 who wasn't as exposed to stuff in their childhood ('50s and very early '60s). Keep in mind, because the Internet wasn't around then, and even TV/radio wasn't as widespread in every home, many things weren't reported/talked about as much. '50s kids probably thought the world was huge with so much to explore, more than '80s/90s/00s kids do or did.

A 1950er might've also said "forget it" to anything 50-ish when the Beatles/real Sixties came along in 1964. Therefore, maybe they think a 1980er would think something from 1992 (i.e. Johnny Carson's last show) is still kinda irrelevant to them, simply based on their own experiences.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: ultraviolet52 on 03/21/06 at 4:21 am


Yeah, you know, I've often wondered who wrote these things, LOL. Let's just say, for sake of this post, it was simply an astute, pop culture minded person born in 1950.

I've often said I believe recent generations (I'm definitely including myself too  ;)) have more of an attachment to their childhood than in the past. People who were kids in the '80s or later. Due just to having so much - video game systems, Internet, MTV, VCR's, movies, cool toys, etc.

This is a concept perhaps lost on someone born in 1950 who wasn't as exposed to stuff in their childhood ('50s and very early '60s). Keep in mind, because the Internet wasn't around then, and even TV/radio wasn't as widespread in every home, many things weren't reported/talked about as much. '50s kids probably thought the world was huge with so much to explore, more than '80s/90s/00s kids do or did.

A 1950er might've also said "forget it" to anything 50-ish when the Beatles/real Sixties came along in 1964. Therefore, maybe they think a 1980er would think something from 1992 (i.e. Johnny Carson's last show) is still kinda irrelevant to them, simply based on their own experiences.


I would agree for the most part.. except there are things that are part of my mom's childhood that she remembers pretty well from the 1950's - pop culturally and so on. And don't even get my Dad going - he has very vivid memories of the 50's (his main childhood years since he was born in 1949) So, to me,  whoever wrote that thinks that people in general are not very observant of these obvious culture changes or the writer has been misinformed by a small group of people they happen to know who happen to know absolutely nothing about anything around them. (Does Paris Hilton come to mind?) lol.

Brian06 made a good point by checking out their "new" list of graduates of '09 and claiming that these graduates did not know what it was like before digital cameras. That's just an insult, in my opinion.

...yet.. I am sure they are just being overly drastic on this "list" (I just hope so, I really do)

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Marty McFly on 03/21/06 at 4:34 am


I would agree for the most part.. except there are things that are part of my mom's childhood that she remembers pretty well from the 1950's - pop culturally and so on. And don't even get my Dad going - he has very vivid memories of the 50's (his main childhood years since he was born in 1949) So, to me,  whoever wrote that thinks that people in general are not very observant of these obvious culture changes or the writer has been misinformed by a small group of people they happen to know who happen to know absolutely nothing about anything around them. (Does Paris Hilton come to mind?) lol.


Oh totally. I'm sure actually most people (whether or not they'll admit it ;) ) have a near perfect memory from roughly age 6 and up, and at least some scattered memories of age 3-5. Sure, some people in past generations may not grasp so tightly on the pop culture from when they were in kindergarden (like I do, LOL), but I'm sure it's in their minds.

Brian06 made a good point by checking out their "new" list of graduates of '09 and claiming that these graduates did not know what it was like before digital cameras. That's just an insult, in my opinion.

...yet.. I am sure they are just being overly drastic on this "list" (I just hope so, I really do)


Yeah, I really hope it's just meant as an exaggeratory joke. I felt a bit insulted by the "born in 1980" list when I read it in 1997 as well. Possibly it's meant in a "only a small percentage of the things on this list might apply to the really least observant people born in " sense. I hope anyway, LOL.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: JamieMcBain on 03/21/06 at 12:35 pm

Just reading the stuff, made me feel like I'm getting old!  ;D

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 03/21/06 at 12:50 pm

This list is totally idiotic. I was born in '87 and even I can remember a few things on here. I'm sure an '80er could.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Tanya1976 on 03/21/06 at 1:13 pm

I think some are missing the point. Many may indirectly remember b/c they heard about it or were told about it by other means. Unless you have had direct (meaning you experienced it firsthand) experience, you may not remember.

Sad, but true, McDonald's stopped using styrofoam containers....damn!

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: ultraviolet52 on 03/21/06 at 2:25 pm


I think some are missing the point. Many may indirectly remember b/c they heard about it or were told about it by other means. Unless you have had direct (meaning you experienced it firsthand) experience, you may not remember.

Sad, but true, McDonald's stopped using styrofoam containers....damn!


I agree. On one hand though, the terms they use shouldn't be "never" it should be "may" or instead of "always" it should be "probably" Some things they are very correct about - I mean, we can't turn back the hands of time and say some of us lived these things we we most certaintly didn't, but some things are fairly unfair in their assessment. As I pointed out about the Johnny Carson vs. Jay Leno thing - that's showing that they can't be truly serious because it would be nearly impossible for not one single 1980 person to not ever have seen the Tonight Show prior to Jay Leno in 1992. That's just pure ignorance, if that's the case.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 03/21/06 at 7:09 pm


06. They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart, and do not remember the Cold War.



Are you telling me that nobody born in 1980 has any first hand memories of the cold war? That's really stupid. They should defidently be able to remember some of it or at least the last few years('89-'91).

15. They have likely never played Pac Man, and have never heard of "Pong."



Are you kidding? I was born 7 years later and i've played pac-man. And if they mean that they didnt play pac-man during its peak popularity I'd say that pac-man was fairly popular throughout the whole decade.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Chris MegatronTHX on 03/21/06 at 9:14 pm

Everyone I've met that was born in 1980 has a very old school quality to them.  They're so old school they almost seem like they were born in the 70s with the rest us aging Gen Xers.  Even though they are unlikely to remember 1984 in detail since they would have been only 3 or 4, they seem really aware of a lot of 80s and early 90s pop culture.  They don't speak about it like a kid born in 1987 that did a ton of internet research, they kinda have "yeah I was there" attitude, with more detail.  Sometimes I get fooled into thinking they were there like I was, but then I realize no they quite weren't.        

It's gotten to the point that I don't even consider people born in 1980 to really be "born in the 80s".  Not really.  They are not what I think of, niether are the born in 1981 folks.  To me "born in the 80s" is more descriptive of someone born in 1984, or 1986, you know someone like that.  Someone like Mandy Moore, Lindsay Lohan or Hillary Duff.  They tend to be more clueless on matters of the 80s, and sometimes even early 90s.  I say that because I've found so much common ground between people born in 1980 and '81, but not anywhere near the same with a person born in 1983, 1984, '86,...

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Tony J Case on 03/21/06 at 11:15 pm


(and Yes, I know that some kids today know all about pacman and rotary phones. Just work with me here)


Yaknow, I think a great many of you missed the point. When you speak in a generalization like this, of COURSE youre going to have people going "Nonsense! I still have my atari and I was born in 1989!". That, however is not quite the spirit that the list was intended. Of course theres always going to be bright kids that stayed up until 11, but for the most part Leno has always been on the Tonight Show, or there has always been one Pope (until last year).

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: ultraviolet52 on 03/22/06 at 1:08 am


Yaknow, I think a great many of you missed the point. When you speak in a generalization like this, of COURSE youre going to have people going "Nonsense! I still have my atari and I was born in 1989!". That, however is not quite the spirit that the list was intended. Of course theres always going to be bright kids that stayed up until 11, but for the most part Leno has always been on the Tonight Show, or there has always been one Pope (until last year).


OKay, to set the record straight, I don't think any of us missed the point - it's just some of the stuff they wrote was not factual (as they state on their website) To never own a record player would be untrue - records were still being sold and record players were also still being sold as part of home stereo systems. All I knew as a kid were of records, audio tapes and 8 tracks. CD's I had never heard of until I was ten years old.

It's like telling someone born in 1950 that they never knew what it was like without a TV. Or they never knew what what the "Your Hit Parade" was. Or World War I was "ancient history" to them. Or they never danced the Charleston, jitterbug, or swing.

It's just stuff like that I guess which annoys me. Call me nit picky...

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Marty McFly on 03/23/06 at 1:52 am


OKay, to set the record straight, I don't think any of us missed the point - it's just some of the stuff they wrote was not factual (as they state on their website) To never own a record player would be untrue - records were still being sold and record players were also still being sold as part of home stereo systems. All I knew as a kid were of records, audio tapes and 8 tracks. CD's I had never heard of until I was ten years old.

It's like telling someone born in 1950 that they never knew what it was like without a TV. Or they never knew what what the "Your Hit Parade" was. Or World War I was "ancient history" to them. Or they never danced the Charleston, jitterbug, or swing.

It's just stuff like that I guess which annoys me. Call me nit picky...


Couldn't agree more (as usual). :)

To use another example, Jerry Springer was born in 1944, and he has often told the story he recalls about he and his parents immigrating to the US on the Queen Mary, passing the Statue of Liberty, when he was five (1949) and how assimilating to the country was for all of them. Or, on a lighter note, getting into baseball and stuff like that in his childhood, and listening to his parents' collection of 78's.

These lists would be like telling someone his age, they never knew anything before Elvis or thought malt shops were always around, etc.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: ultraviolet52 on 03/23/06 at 1:14 pm


Couldn't agree more (as usual). :)

To use another example, Jerry Springer was born in 1944, and he has often told the story he recalls about he and his parents immigrating to the US on the Queen Mary, passing the Statue of Liberty, when he was five (1949) and how assimilating to the country was for all of them. Or, on a lighter note, getting into baseball and stuff like that in his childhood, and listening to his parents' collection of 78's.

These lists would be like telling someone his age, they never knew anything before Elvis or thought malt shops were always around, etc.


Exactly - Everyone has their own experiences. I guess when I see a list like that it's considered stereotyping, even as funny as it is and can be, some people may believe we actually don't know this stuff just because we weren't born around or before it - which is absolutly false.

The Jerry Springer was a good example of how he grew up around stuff that was before his time, but still made an impact on him nevertheless.

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Donnie Darko on 03/24/06 at 6:37 pm

I really despise when people talk about not remembering a time before digital cameras, DVDs, Ipods, etc, and lump this to people born in the 1980s and early '90s.  Just because a technology came out when you were under 18 doesn't mean you can't remember before it existed.  At best, they weren't alive when they were invented.  It's Gen Zers and the very latest Yers, people born after like 1993 or 1994 that can't even recall a time before such gadgets were popular.  Or those lists that act like people don't remember anything until they turn 13. That's bullcrap. 

Subject: Re: Feeling old? Then this is NOT going to help!

Written By: Donnie Darko on 03/24/06 at 6:46 pm


Everyone I've met that was born in 1980 has a very old school quality to them.  They're so old school they almost seem like they were born in the 70s with the rest us aging Gen Xers.  Even though they are unlikely to remember 1984 in detail since they would have been only 3 or 4, they seem really aware of a lot of 80s and early 90s pop culture.  They don't speak about it like a kid born in 1987 that did a ton of internet research, they kinda have "yeah I was there" attitude, with more detail.  Sometimes I get fooled into thinking they were there like I was, but then I realize no they quite weren't.        

It's gotten to the point that I don't even consider people born in 1980 to really be "born in the 80s".  Not really.  They are not what I think of, niether are the born in 1981 folks.  To me "born in the 80s" is more descriptive of someone born in 1984, or 1986, you know someone like that.  Someone like Mandy Moore, Lindsay Lohan or Hillary Duff.  They tend to be more clueless on matters of the 80s, and sometimes even early 90s.  I say that because I've found so much common ground between people born in 1980 and '81, but not anywhere near the same with a person born in 1983, 1984, '86,...


I agree here.  Being born in 1990, I've never really considered myself "born in the nineties", but rather "born with the nineties", if that makes sense.  Of course I technically was born in the 1990s, but considering I am more or less the same age as the '90s I was there for the whole decade pretty much, even though I can't remember the first 3-4 years of them. Being "born in the nineties" in the general sense implies someone who's a little kid now, somebody born in like 1994 or 1997 who is named Emily, Jordan or Hannah.  Those born in 1990-1992 are more akin to the late '80s kids than they are to people born deep in the '90s, just like '80ers, '81ers and even '82ers are almost like the late '70s people (from what I can tell, of course). That is, most of my knowledge of the popular culture of the 1990s, not counting 1999 and maybe a little 1998 is learned for the most part, even if I can remember 1996 and 1997 well enough to get a general feeling of the time.  And of course the 1990s holdovers into the 21st Century helps out a lot in making the 1990s not seem truly before my time.

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