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Subject: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Donnie Darko on 04/26/06 at 11:46 am

What exactly is "Blue Monday" about?

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Sammy Reed on 04/26/06 at 12:48 pm

All I know is, it was an old Fats Domino song.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Pep on 04/26/06 at 2:38 pm


What exactly is "Blue Monday" about?


Not the Fats Domino Version.  The 80's New Order version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Monday_%28New_Order_song%29

As with many of New Order's songs, the meaning of "Blue Monday"'s lyric has been the subject of much debate. Although Bernard Sumner never publicly discusses his lyrics, many people have surmised that "Blue Monday" concerns the suicide of Joy Division vocalist Ian Curtis and the effect it had on his former bandmates. However, comparisons with the lyrics and the aftereffects of cocaine have also been made, which would fit in with the potentially drug related themes of many other New Order tracks (another legend has it that the band was on LSD while recording it, and after they finished the producers took them to a caf

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Foo Bar on 04/26/06 at 9:59 pm

...but you haven't lived until you beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise get yourself a copy of the "Substance Abuse Mix", and/or the "Re-Ordered" mix.  One's 7:12ish, the other's 9:40ish.  Same song, same samples, just a mix with a slightly-different vocal track.

Both mixes came from DMC (Disco Mix Club) DJ mix service, in 1986.  DJ Dakeyne did 'em.

What makes these mixes distinctive is that they feature dozens of samples from about 30-40 years of movies, music, and pop culture.  Guest appearances by Betty Boop, James Bond, Peter Gunn, Dirty Harry, and Bugs Bunny.  Guest performances from Yello, to Tchaikovsky, Kraftwerk, the Beatles, Danny and the Juniors makes an appearance.  Furthermore - and almost uniquely in sampling-based music - nearly every sample has at least *something* to do with the next one.

Quite probably the high point of sampling culture, before it was shut down by RIAA/MPAA lawyers.  You could spend hours  digging through it to figure out where all the samples came from.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Abercrombie86 on 04/26/06 at 10:35 pm

I Kinda prefer the Razormaid! Version.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Philip Eno on 04/29/06 at 12:05 pm


All I know is, it was an old Fats Domino song.
This is a totally different song.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Mr Tumnus on 04/29/06 at 12:18 pm


All I know is, it was an old Fats Domino song.


I'd like to hear Fats Domino sing that actually   ;D  are you thinking of Blueberry Hill?
I see he did do a  song called Blue Monday.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Philip Eno on 04/29/06 at 12:33 pm


I'd like to hear Fats Domino sing that actually   ;D  are you thinking of Blueberry Hill?
I see he did do a  song called Blue Monday.
By pure coincidence I heard Fats Domino and his Blue Monday starts with the lyrics, "Blue Monday how I hate Blue Monday, Got to work like a slave all day", and then goes on about beating his socks, and New Order's starts with "How does it feel, To treat me like you do", along the title never been mentioned in the lyrics.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 04/29/06 at 6:21 pm

Meh, prolly has something to do with buggery!
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(I mean, whenever anyone asks what the meaning is behind any song by any British synth-pop band, somebody always brings up buggery. That's what they said about Depeche Mode's "Strangelove," fr'instance. You know what they said the name "Pet Shop Boys" referred to? I'm not going to tell, but it wasn't true!)

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Chasey on 05/04/06 at 1:46 pm


Not the Fats Domino Version.  The 80's New Order version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Monday_%28New_Order_song%29

As with many of New Order's songs, the meaning of "Blue Monday"'s lyric has been the subject of much debate. Although Bernard Sumner never publicly discusses his lyrics, many people have surmised that "Blue Monday" concerns the suicide of Joy Division vocalist Ian Curtis and the effect it had on his former bandmates. However, comparisons with the lyrics and the aftereffects of cocaine have also been made, which would fit in with the potentially drug related themes of many other New Order tracks (another legend has it that the band was on LSD while recording it, and after they finished the producers took them to a caf

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Jack on 04/21/09 at 7:02 pm

Its about splitting up with a girl because he's had enough of her treating him badly.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Frank on 04/22/09 at 12:50 am


What exactly is "Blue Monday" about?

First time I read the thread, I thought it was "Blue Movie". never mind...

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: RetroExpert1971 on 04/22/09 at 1:19 am

In Denmark "Blue Monday" is the day after Conformation, when the young people go out to celebrate their entering into adulthood

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Philip Eno on 04/22/09 at 12:04 pm


In Denmark "Blue Monday" is the day after Conformation, when the young people go out to celebrate their entering into adulthood
A Monday which none of the young people remember.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Win on 06/22/09 at 3:48 pm


What exactly is "Blue Monday" about?


Blue Monday is a common term for washday in the 1930s in the United States. Prior to 1937, laundry was primarily done once a week, by hand. See Good Housekeeping, October 1940, page 105, "The Weeks Washing."

Hope this helps.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Win on 06/22/09 at 3:54 pm

Before we had modern laundry detergents with optical brighteners, there was a mysterious little blue bag which was stirred around in the final rinse water on washday. This was laundry bluing or blue. A factory-produced block was the "modern" (mid-19th century onwards), commercial version of older recipes for whitening clothes, with names like stone blue, fig blue, or thumb blue. It disguised any hint of yellow and helped the household linen look whiter than white.  Look up, for example, "Rickette's Blue".  This was called "Blueing".

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Paul on 06/22/09 at 4:26 pm


...but you haven't lived until you beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise get yourself a copy of the "Substance Abuse Mix", and/or the "Re-Ordered" mix.  One's 7:12ish, the other's 9:40ish.  Same song, same samples, just a mix with a slightly-different vocal track.

Both mixes came from DMC (Disco Mix Club) DJ mix service, in 1986.  DJ Dakeyne did 'em.

What makes these mixes distinctive is that they feature dozens of samples from about 30-40 years of movies, music, and pop culture.  Guest appearances by Betty Boop, James Bond, Peter Gunn, Dirty Harry, and Bugs Bunny.  Guest performances from Yello, to Tchaikovsky, Kraftwerk, the Beatles, Danny and the Juniors makes an appearance.  Furthermore - and almost uniquely in sampling-based music - nearly every sample has at least *something* to do with the next one.

Quite probably the high point of sampling culture, before it was shut down by RIAA/MPAA lawyers.  You could spend hours  digging through it to figure out where all the samples came from.


Heh! Reminds me of my piss-poor DJ-ing days when I used to drop 'Do-Re-Mi' from The Sound Of Music soundtrack into the intro...

No-one was impressed then!

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Midas on 06/22/09 at 4:36 pm


...but you haven't lived until you beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise get yourself a copy of the "Substance Abuse Mix", and/or the "Re-Ordered" mix.  One's 7:12ish, the other's 9:40ish.  Same song, same samples, just a mix with a slightly-different vocal track.

Both mixes came from DMC (Disco Mix Club) DJ mix service, in 1986.  DJ Dakeyne did 'em.

What makes these mixes distinctive is that they feature dozens of samples from about 30-40 years of movies, music, and pop culture.  Guest appearances by Betty Boop, James Bond, Peter Gunn, Dirty Harry, and Bugs Bunny.  Guest performances from Yello, to Tchaikovsky, Kraftwerk, the Beatles, Danny and the Juniors makes an appearance.  Furthermore - and almost uniquely in sampling-based music - nearly every sample has at least *something* to do with the next one.

Quite probably the high point of sampling culture, before it was shut down by RIAA/MPAA lawyers.  You could spend hours  digging through it to figure out where all the samples came from.


I have the shorter version but heard the longer version on Hot Mix back when they came out.  Wish I had the 9:40 version.  I could probably re-create it mixing in vocals from the original.

I also have the "Re-Situated" DMC mix of Yazoo's "Situation" which also had samples-o-plenty that had *something* to do with the next...from The Young Ones to The Human League and Madness to The Addams Family.  Good stuff.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Foo Bar on 06/23/09 at 12:39 am


Heh! Reminds me of my piss-poor DJ-ing days when I used to drop 'Do-Re-Mi' from The Sound Of Music soundtrack into the intro...

No-one was impressed then!


Damn, that coulda worked!  Just playing at the wrong club. :)


I have the shorter version but heard the longer version on Hot Mix back when they came out.  Wish I had the 9:40 version.  I could probably re-create it mixing in vocals from the original.

I also have the "Re-Situated" DMC mix of Yazoo's "Situation" which also had samples-o-plenty that had *something* to do with the next...from The Young Ones to The Human League and Madness to The Addams Family.  Good stuff.


The 15 seconds where they mash it up (some 20-odd years before "mashup" enters the vocabulary) with the Arthur Baker remix of The Art of Noise's Dragnet theme was one of those moments where I just *jawdropped* and listened in sheer gleeful awe.  (Note to self:  Now that the technology's available, why haven't I mashed that up?), with a close second for a minute or two later where he did the same thing with Vangelis' Pulstar (just before "I am the God of Hellfire, and I bring you...")

The sample-less "Re-Situated" mix (9:16) on the 1993 "The 12 Inch Mixes" was good.  But we're talking about the real thing.

Holy crap, Dakeyne has a blog!

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Midas on 06/23/09 at 10:02 am


Damn, that coulda worked!  Just playing at the wrong club. :)

The 15 seconds where they mash it up (some 20-odd years before "mashup" enters the vocabulary) with the Arthur Baker remix of The Art of Noise's Dragnet theme was one of those moments where I just *jawdropped* and listened in sheer gleeful awe.  (Note to self:  Now that the technology's available, why haven't I mashed that up?), with a close second for a minute or two later where he did the same thing with Vangelis' Pulstar (just before "I am the God of Hellfire, and I bring you...")

The sample-less "Re-Situated" mix (9:16) on the 1993 "The 12 Inch Mixes" was good.  But we're talking about the real thing.

Holy crap, Dakeyne has a blog!


Dakeyne's blog is awesome!  I dug the story about "Eighteen Strings", a fave track of mine. :)

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Booger Bob on 11/02/10 at 10:22 am

Blue Monday came out in 1982 which is when the Falkland Islands war between Argentina and Great Britain was. This song was a direct response to it. But it was also half-about (kind of a double-plot) the fans that were upset that N-Order never did encores. Blue describes the fans faces (blue = sad), but also describes the day the war "ended"--I believe the final delcaration of victory by British forces was on a Monday. It was a "blue" day for the Argentines who lost.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 11/02/10 at 4:47 pm


Blue Monday came out in 1982 which is when the Falkland Islands war between Argentina and Great Britain was. This song was a direct response to it. But it was also half-about (kind of a double-plot) the fans that were upset that N-Order never did encores. Blue describes the fans faces (blue = sad), but also describes the day the war "ended"--I believe the final delcaration of victory by British forces was on a Monday. It was a "blue" day for the Argentines who lost.

"Booger Bob?!?""

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You so need to register.  ;)

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Philip Eno on 11/03/10 at 2:44 am

Every Monday is blue, for that is the day you have to back to work on.

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/03/10 at 1:29 pm

BLUE MONDAY (1922)

135th Street Blues

Music: George Gershwin
Lyrics/libretto: Buddy DeSylva

MIKE
Well, get a move on, you lazy good-for-nothin'
SAM
(sweeps floor)
Yes-sir, yes-sir, boss
(sings)
I must admit altho I don't like Sunday
I have a fit when I go thru Blue Monday
Monday's the one day that my dice lose
they just refuse!

(stops sweeping)
That's when my cares are always bigger!
MIKE
His cares are always bigger
SAM
(sweeps)
I got the blue Monday blues.
Monday's the day your lovin' mama shakes ya
Monda;ys the day the undertaker takes ya
Monday's the day that the wise guys
Choose to sit and snooze.
No use to work that's how I figger

MIKE
His cares are always bigger
SAM
I got the blue Monday blues.


......

Keep quiet, if it wasn't for my singing, you'd hafta close this joint!

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Davester on 11/03/10 at 6:07 pm


Every Monday is blue, for that is the day you have to back to work on.


  Werd...

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/03/10 at 11:37 pm

The phrase "Blue Monday" in New Order's "Blue Monday" does not appear in the song.  Common practice in pop music is to name the song after a chorus lyric or repeated phrase.  I suspect the band chose the title because they liked the phrase and other explanations they may have given over the years have more to do with the band's sarcastic and quirky nature than revealing an profound veracity about what "Blue Monday" REALLY means.

The music was influenced by Italo-disco and American soul, and, of course, Kraftwerk.

What do the lyrics mean?  My best guess: The narrator finds himself in a sour relationship with a demanding partner who dominates and depresses him.  The narrator is in a state of existential despair about what his life can mean when his partner burdens him with so much misery and he wonders how his partner can stand to treat him that way.

Lyrics:

"Blue Monday"

How does it feel
To treat me like you do
When you've laid laid your hands upon me
And told me who you are

I thought I was mistaken
I thought I heard your words
Tell me how do I feel
Tell me now how do I feel

Those who came before me
Lived through their vocations
From the past until completion
They will turn away no more

And I still find it so hard
To say what I need to say
But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me
Just how I should feel today

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortunes
I'd be a heavenly person today

And I thought I was mistaken
And I thought I heard you speak
Tell me how do I feel
Tell me now how should I feel

Now I stand here waiting

I thought I told you to leave me
While I walked down to the beach
Tell me how does it feel
When your heart grows cold
(grows cold, grows cold, grows cold)

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Philip Eno on 11/04/10 at 2:01 am


The phrase "Blue Monday" in New Order's "Blue Monday" does not appear in the song.  Common practice in pop music is to name the song after a chorus lyric or repeated phrase.  I suspect the band chose the title because they liked the phrase and other explanations they may have given over the years have more to do with the band's sarcastic and quirky nature than revealing an profound veracity about what "Blue Monday" REALLY means.

The music was influenced by Italo-disco and American soul, and, of course, Kraftwerk.

What do the lyrics mean?  My best guess: The narrator finds himself in a sour relationship with a demanding partner who dominates and depresses him.  The narrator is in a state of existential despair about what his life can mean when his partner burdens him with so much misery and he wonders how his partner can stand to treat him that way.

Lyrics:

"Blue Monday"

How does it feel
To treat me like you do
When you've laid laid your hands upon me
And told me who you are

I thought I was mistaken
I thought I heard your words
Tell me how do I feel
Tell me now how do I feel

Those who came before me
Lived through their vocations
From the past until completion
They will turn away no more

And I still find it so hard
To say what I need to say
But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me
Just how I should feel today

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortunes
I'd be a heavenly person today

And I thought I was mistaken
And I thought I heard you speak
Tell me how do I feel
Tell me now how should I feel

Now I stand here waiting

I thought I told you to leave me
While I walked down to the beach
Tell me how does it feel
When your heart grows cold
(grows cold, grows cold, grows cold)
The narrator had a rotten Sunday?

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: Foo Bar on 11/04/10 at 9:06 pm


I thought I told you to leave me
While I walked down to the beach


And it also explains why the instrumental version - all 7:19 of it - was "The Beach".  (The singer of "Blue Monday" is finally alone.)

(None of this is inconsistent with the notion of the day after (Catholic) confirmation.  The singer's finally delivered his ultimatum.)

Subject: Re: The meaning of "Blue Monday"?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/09/10 at 8:53 pm


And it also explains why the instrumental version - all 7:19 of it - was "The Beach".  (The singer of "Blue Monday" is finally alone.)

(None of this is inconsistent with the notion of the day after (Catholic) confirmation.  The singer's finally delivered his ultimatum.)


Then shouldn't the song be called "Good Friday"?
???

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