I generally considered the '80s the late Boomer/early Gen X cusp decade, but how Baby Boomer were the '80s overall? Is the Baby Boomer influence on '80s pop culture underestimated? Are the '80s more Boomer or Gen X is the question?

I'm guessing you mean the pop culture, because Baby Boomers are considered to be born 1946 to 1964.

I'm guessing you mean the pop culture, because Baby Boomers are considered to be born 1946 to 1964.


Yeah pop culture of course.

The early 80's were still pretty boomer-ish but '84-'89 was very, very Generation X.

The early 80's were still pretty boomer-ish but '84-'89 was very, very Generation X.


I would say Generation X.

After seeing movies and TV shows, I would say that the early 80s is the Boomer period while the rest if definetly Gen X. Keep in mind, the Boomer pop culture began way back around 1964, so it would have already been 20 years before Gen X would take over.

The early 80's were still pretty boomer-ish but '84-'89 was very, very Generation X.

Yep.

Blues Brothers (1980) is a Boomer movie. Sixteen Candles (1984) is a Gen X movie.

Yep.

Blues Brothers (1980) is a Boomer movie. Sixteen Candles (1984) is a Gen X movie.

Well, the guy who made Sixteen Candles was a Baby Boomer. John Hughes was born in 1950. However, he did make the film to reflect teen culture of the 1980s.

More Gen X. Gen X isn't just 90s grunge. Although the first quarter of the decade was overall more in Generation Jones territory, the MTV Generation took over the world by 1983.

The average Boomer was born 1955, so in 1985, they would have turned 30. I'd say the first half of the 80's, like up until 1984, was more Boomer than Gen X. I'd say the second half (1985 to 1989) was more Gen X. Just my two cents.

The average Boomer was born 1955, so in 1985, they would have turned 30. I'd say the first half of the 80's, like up until 1984, was more Boomer than Gen X. I'd say the second half (1985 to 1989) was more Gen X. Just my two cents.

I agree.

I agree.


It's still kind of confusing, because Boomer culture is roughly mid 60's to mid-80's?? It's possible as early as around the time Elvis became mainstream in 1956.

Yep.

Blues Brothers (1980) is a Boomer movie. Sixteen Candles (1984) is a Gen X movie.


and also don't forget The Breakfast Club.

The average Boomer was born 1955, so in 1985, they would have turned 30. I'd say the first half of the 80's, like up until 1984, was more Boomer than Gen X. I'd say the second half (1985 to 1989) was more Gen X. Just my two cents.


Yeah that's about right. I mean in the early 80s especially, gen X mostly was a bunch of little kids (say the average xer was born in 1972 or so they were only 7/8-9/10 years old in the early 80s) while most boomers were still in their 20s (some tail end ones were even still teenagers). The mid 80s is probably 50/50 with gen jones and the early xers, late 80s is definitely gen x with hip hop and new jack swing and stuff taking off and by then most were at least teens and older ones were hitting their 20s.

Yep.

Blues Brothers (1980) is a Boomer movie. Sixteen Candles (1984) is a Gen X movie.


What do you consider Fast Times at Ridgemont High?

1980-1982 is almost all Boomer with some Gen X.

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This song is very early Gen Xer despite being from 1981.


1983 is a toss up. 1984-1989 is Gen X.

It's still kind of confusing, because Boomer culture is roughly mid 60's to mid-80's?? It's possible as early as around the time Elvis became mainstream in 1956.

Wrong, Boomers were only 10 when Elvis became popular!

Boomers didn't start having a palpable influence on culture 'till around 1964, when the oldest were turning 18.

What do you consider Fast Times at Ridgemont High?


A lot of things in Fast Times seem kinda boomer-ish but specifically the way Spicoli and Brad are dressed in some scene seem more modern and typical of X'ers.


1980-1982 is almost all Boomer with some Gen X.

This song is very early Gen Xer despite being from 1981.


1983 is a toss up. 1984-1989 is Gen X.


And I agree with this. Anything after 1983 is too late. 80's synthpop like Depeche Mode and Tears for Fears and pop singers like Madonna are just as much Gen X as grunge is.


Yep.

Blues Brothers (1980) is a Boomer movie. Sixteen Candles (1984) is a Gen X movie.


This I also agree with.

A lot of things in Fast Times seem kinda boomer-ish but specifically the way Spicoli and Brad are dressed in some scene seem more modern and typical of X'ers.

And I agree with this. Anything after 1983 is too late. 80's synthpop like Depeche Mode and Tears for Fears and pop singers like Madonna are just as much Gen X as grunge is.

This I also agree with.


I'd say synth pop is sorta gen jones too, it's not really true boomer music but I guess it's more like music for people born in the '60s in general. So it can apply to the tail end boomers and the early gen x. Being born in like 1961 would be interesting in that sense, old enough for the '70s and young enough for the '80s.

I'd say synth pop is sorta gen jones too, it's not really true boomer music but I guess it's more like music for people born in the '60s in general. So it can apply to the tail end boomers and the early gen x. Being born in like 1961 would be interesting in that sense, old enough for the '70s and young enough for the '80s.


Early Gen Xers were even into early 80s things too.

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What happens when a former early 80s teen still stuck in the time meets mid 90s teens.

Early Gen Xers were even into early 80s things too.

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What happens when a former early 80s teen still stuck in the time meets mid 90s teens.


Yeah I know, there's just a lot of overlap which is why "generations" aren't perfect in the first place.

The EARLIEST Xers could even have gotten into late '70s disco actually.

The 1980's are very 'gray' when it comes to Gen X and Baby Boomers.

I'd say synth pop is sorta gen jones too, it's not really true boomer music but I guess it's more like music for people born in the '60s in general. So it can apply to the tail end boomers and the early gen x. Being born in like 1961 would be interesting in that sense, old enough for the '70s and young enough for the '80s.


Earlier 80's new wave, stuff like Tainted Love or Whip It both reek of boomer music, but I think stuff after around 84-ish like the darker industrial influenced synthpop of Tears for Fears (e.g. Shout) and Depeche Mode and the poppier commercial stuff of later Boingo (Dead Man's Party to Dark at the End of the Tunnel), New Order, A-ha and Fine Young Cannibals are very, very Generation X.

The 1980's are very 'gray' when it comes to Gen X and Baby Boomers.


Yeah my point is someone born in 1960 (late boomer/gen jones) can certainly claim the '80s along with someone born in 1970 (gen x).

Yeah my point is someone born in 1960 (late boomer/gen jones) can certainly claim the '80s along with someone born in 1970 (gen x).


I agree and I think the Gen X era was 1983 through 1996.

1981 and 1982 had some Gen X and so did 1997 and 1998 but it wasn't the core.

1980: More culturally Baby Boomer
1981-1982: Boomer/X split evenly in terms of pop culture
1983-1989: More culturally Gen X

1980: More culturally Baby Boomer
1981-1982: Boomer/X split evenly in terms of pop culture
1983-1989: More culturally Gen X


I agree with this. There was almost nothing 80s about 1980.
I also think there was a lot of 80s entertainment Boomers were into though

What would you guys say were the BB's pop culture years? 1964-1982?

1964-1982: BB

1981-1982: BB/X overlap

1981-1998: X

1997-1998: X/Y overlap

1997-2015: Y

What would you guys say were the BB's pop culture years? 1964-1982?

1964-1982: BB

1981-1982: BB/X overlap

1981-1998: X

1997-1998: X/Y overlap

1997-2015: Y


Y culture hasn't ended. As for Boomers, they had adult contemporary culture for them all the way up to 1994.

Y culture hasn't ended. As for Boomers, they had adult contemporary culture for them all the way up to 1994.


So, what does your chart look like in regards to BB, X, Y and how they overlap?

So, what does your chart look like in regards to BB, X, Y and how they overlap?


Boomer = 1964-1982 for main 1983-1987 with partial and 1988-1994 for adult contemporary
X = 1981-1998
overlapping years are 1997 and 1998 with Y
Y = 1997-2017

Thirty years just seems way too long a span for one generation's culture to play out, considering the oldest Baby Boomers were in their mid to late 40s by 1994.

What do you consider Fast Times at Ridgemont High?


Well when the movie was released (1982), the underclassmen were Gen Xers, so it leans towards that, and teen movies of course have a much more narrowly-target demographic.



If anything, I find the 1980s one of the most diverse decades in terms of entertainment/culture for multiple generations. The later Gen Xers had the hot childhood fads and the late decade music/fashion trends, the early Xers were the MTV generation, the Boomers the VH1 generation, the oldies stations, politicians, and some period movies for the Silent Generation (Big band/swing stations were still common that decade, and there was a mini-Art Deco revival). A while back, a posted a table regarding various phases of life, the various generations, and their associated decade. Even 1987 still had a lot of Boomer-friendly material like Dirty Dancing, the movie La Bamba, Fleetwood Mac and Bruce Springsteen's latest albums, TV shows like Married... With Children, and Wall Street.  Gen X really had a short run (1988-1996) where they were the predominant pop culture driver. Finally, most of the "yuppies" were Boomers, and are sometimes mentioned as "grown up hippies".


This is in contrast with the late '90s onwards which are almost strictly childhood/teen focused, and adults prefer the classic material as opposed to adult contemporary material. Back in the '80s, adult contemporary stations would usually play songs no more than a decade old with the majority of music played no more than a couple years old (think classic VH1), as opposed to many still playing '80s hits today.



Boomer = 1964-1982 for main 1983-1987 with partial and 1988-1994 for adult contemporary
X = 1981-1998
overlapping years are 1997 and 1998 with Y
Y = 1997-2017



That said, I feel that we're no longer in the "all-Millenial" pop cultural period any more. After all, the youngest Millenials are graduating high school this year, and this is akin to 1982 being on that Boomer/X cusp, although like the Boomers, we'll still have an adult contemporary phase over the next decade or so (revivals, period TV shows/movies, the new political driven generation).

Well when the movie was released (1982), the underclassmen were Gen Xers, so it leans towards that, and teen movies of course have a much more narrowly-target demographic.



If anything, I find the 1980s one of the most diverse decades in terms of entertainment/culture for multiple generations. The later Gen Xers had the hot childhood fads and the late decade music/fashion trends, the early Xers were the MTV generation, the Boomers the VH1 generation, the oldies stations, politicians, and some period movies for the Silent Generation (Big band/swing stations were still common that decade, and there was a mini-Art Deco revival). A while back, a posted a table regarding various phases of life, the various generations, and their associated decade. Even 1987 still had a lot of Boomer-friendly material like Dirty Dancing, the movie La Bamba, Fleetwood Mac and Bruce Springsteen's latest albums, TV shows like Married... With Children, and Wall Street.  Gen X really had a short run (1988-1996) where they were the predominant pop culture driver. Finally, most of the "yuppies" were Boomers, and are sometimes mentioned as "grown up hippies".


This is in contrast with the late '90s onwards which are almost strictly childhood/teen focused, and adults prefer the classic material as opposed to adult contemporary material. Back in the '80s, adult contemporary stations would usually play songs no more than a decade old with the majority of music played no more than a couple years old (think classic VH1), as opposed to many still playing '80s hits today.



That said, I feel that we're no longer in the "all-Millenial" pop cultural period any more. After all, the youngest Millenials are graduating high school this year, and this is akin to 1982 being on that Boomer/X cusp, although like the Boomers, we'll still have an adult contemporary phase over the next decade or so (revivals, period TV shows/movies, the new political driven generation).


Does that mean everyone who is graduating high school this year?

Official Y culture years: 1997-2013

Official Z culture years: 2014 - present.

And the youngest millennial has already graduated in 2015. And 2016 onwards graduates are Gen Z.

Official Y culture years: 1997-2013

Official Z culture years: 2014 - present.


Late 2013 already felt pretty Z to be honest - I started to notice more smartphones and that was when Miley entered her "twerking" age. And not to mention, I also noticed "newer" social media places (Vine, Instagram, Snapchat, etc) started becoming more popular among a youth crowd than Facebook. However, I do agree that a lot of Generation Z's politics started in 2014 (especially after ISIS started to rise, Elliot Rodger's rampage, and the Michael Brown incident).

2015 I would say was when Z culture become a lot more dominant than Millennial culture.

2013-2014 are the true Y/Z overlap years. I'd probably put it like this:

2010-2012: Y
2013-2014: Y/Z
2015-2019: Z

And the youngest millennial has already graduated in 2015. And 2016 onwards graduates are Gen Z.


The youngest Millennials will graduate in 2018 and 2019. Remember that 2000 is the last Millennial year according to most.

And the youngest millennial has already graduated in 2015. And 2016 onwards graduates are Gen Z.



The youngest Millennials will graduate in 2018 and 2019. Remember that 2000 is the last Millennial year according to most.

More like 2012. I came across some articles saying that the first group of Gen Z are graduating college this year which means the oldest of this cohort graduated HS in 2013.

Just reading those articles reveals that 2000 is definitely not the cutoff as most believed to be.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-college-graduates-snub-startups-columnists-marksjarvis-0514-biz-20170512-column.html

https://moneyish.com/ish/proof-that-college-grads-are-totally-delusional-about-the-real-world/

http://cccnews.info/campus-news/15-5/#issue/Issue/portrait/7

https://www.fastcompany.com/40419195/gen-z-is-starting-to-graduate-college-this-year-with-lots-of-debt-and-optimism

http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/columnists/carol-cain/2017/05/06/generation-z-college-graduates/101323784/

Thats's yours and the journalists' opinion, not facts. Provide me official evidence and document from think tank organisations and industries that establishes generations and see the actual birth rage to determine which final graduate year is Y and first to be Z.

Thats's yours and the journalists' opinion, not facts. Provide me official evidence and document from think tank organisations and industries that establishes generations and see the actual birth rage to determine which final graduate year is Y and first to be Z.
Was that for me or unconventional99?

Anyone who tries too hard to be from a generation that they're not and expect us to read their comment to claim to be a fact, rather than opinion. There's nothing wrong to be a baby boomer, gen x, millennials, or gen z; be happy for what generation that you're really belong to and don't mind the powers-that-be to label what they think you are but you determine what's your identity. That's all Im saying. If anyone is emotionally hurt by my comments, can get butt-fudgeed by big foot.

Generations are and have never been 100% factual. Generations are based on mass generalizations. However, if a person like me (born 1995-2000) is going to be considered Gen Z....at least have us be a little mini generation like Baby Boomers born 1956-1964 are called Generation Jones.

More like 2012. I came across some articles saying that the first group of Gen Z are graduating college this year which means the oldest of this cohort graduated HS in 2013.

Just reading those articles reveals that 2000 is definitely not the cutoff as most believed to be.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-college-graduates-snub-startups-columnists-marksjarvis-0514-biz-20170512-column.html

https://moneyish.com/ish/proof-that-college-grads-are-totally-delusional-about-the-real-world/

http://cccnews.info/campus-news/15-5/#issue/Issue/portrait/7

https://www.fastcompany.com/40419195/gen-z-is-starting-to-graduate-college-this-year-with-lots-of-debt-and-optimism

http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/columnists/carol-cain/2017/05/06/generation-z-college-graduates/101323784/


People said the same thing about college students of the 00s. It doesn't prove anything. There hasn't been a musical movement to knock you off your feet since 2008. The next new music movement will be Gen Z. People born in 2000 are the last to be born in the 20th century. This is why they're Millennial.

People said the same thing about college students of the 00s. It doesn't prove anything. There hasn't been a musical movement to knock you off your feet since 2008. The next new music movement will be Gen Z. People born in 2000 are the last to be born in the 20th century. This is why they're Millennial.


It's not just that, they're young adults by the end of the 2010s so I do think they get to squeeze in...barely though. They're around as young people for at least the second half of the 2010s in a way that the true gen zers are not. The 2010s will generally be "beyond" actual Gen Z as they were just little kids or young teens at the most, it'll be their carefree childhood to them.

People said the same thing about college students of the 00s. It doesn't prove anything. There hasn't been a musical movement to knock you off your feet since 2008. The next new music movement will be Gen Z. People born in 2000 are the last to be born in the 20th century. This is why they're Millennial.
Yeah, there was. The musical movement (and pop culture itself) for Gen Z began in 2013/14. Anyway, I remember reading that being a Millennial meant to witness the turn of the Millennium, and recall a time before the period which is what 2000 folks don't remember at all.


Generations are and have never been 100% factual. Generations are based on mass generalizations. However, if a person like me (born 1995-2000) is going to be considered Gen Z....at least have us be a little mini generation like Baby Boomers born 1956-1964 are called Generation Jones.
So is everything else; however, I do agree that the generalizations are based on each cohort especially since that some are true to an extent.

So is everything else; however, I do agree that the generalizations are based on each cohort especially since that some are true to an extent.

There are tons of stuff that are 100% factual ;). My point is that we don't really need these big debates over generations but....I guess it's human nature.

There are tons of stuff that are 100% factual ;). My point is that we don't really need these big debates over generations but....I guess it's human nature.
Oh, I know. We definitely need a break, but sometimes things are dug up from the past. ;D

As for the mini-generation, I think you all do have a name; however, it hasn't been determined yet.

More like 2012. I came across some articles saying that the first group of Gen Z are graduating college this year which means the oldest of this cohort graduated HS in 2013.

Just reading those articles reveals that 2000 is definitely not the cutoff as most believed to be.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-college-graduates-snub-startups-columnists-marksjarvis-0514-biz-20170512-column.html

https://moneyish.com/ish/proof-that-college-grads-are-totally-delusional-about-the-real-world/

http://cccnews.info/campus-news/15-5/#issue/Issue/portrait/7

https://www.fastcompany.com/40419195/gen-z-is-starting-to-graduate-college-this-year-with-lots-of-debt-and-optimism

http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/columnists/carol-cain/2017/05/06/generation-z-college-graduates/101323784/

Mate. These are just some articles in a sea of many articles. Heck, a few weeks ago I remember seeing the 1981-1997 date used for Millennials in several articles. And there was a viral video months ago which got millions of views, where speaker Simon Sinek described Millennials as those born in 1984(???) and later. Every week the dates are different.

Point is. There is no set date on generations, they're not the law.

Yeah, there was. The musical movement (and pop culture itself) for Gen Z began in 2013/14. Anyway, I remember reading that being a Millennial meant to witness the turn of the Millennium, and recall a time before the period which is what 2000 folks don't remember at all.

Millennial means someone young (high age school or younger) at the turn of the Millennium. Babies are also considered young. It's like how the Silent Generation is born up to 1945 even though they're known for depression and WW2 childhoods.

As for 2013/2014 that didn't seem like a new musical movement in the same light as 2008. I think that things are getting stale because we're in a transitory phase.

I'm generally a proponent of 1982-2000 definition of millennials generally, the years are just estimates as I like to always point out, but that year span probably lines up best with the basic idea.

If anything, I find the 1980s one of the most diverse decades in terms of entertainment/culture for multiple generations. The later Gen Xers had the hot childhood fads and the late decade music/fashion trends, the early Xers were the MTV generation, the Boomers the VH1 generation, the oldies stations, politicians, and some period movies for the Silent Generation (Big band/swing stations were still common that decade, and there was a mini-Art Deco revival). A while back, a posted a table regarding various phases of life, the various generations, and their associated decade. Even 1987 still had a lot of Boomer-friendly material like Dirty Dancing, the movie La Bamba, Fleetwood Mac and Bruce Springsteen's latest albums, TV shows like Married... With Children, and Wall Street.  Gen X really had a short run (1988-1996) where they were the predominant pop culture driver. Finally, most of the "yuppies" were Boomers, and are sometimes mentioned as "grown up hippies".

The Brat Pack Gen Xers were the main drivers of pop culture in the 80s. It was just running concurrently with some Boomer trends. They were the ones watching MTV and going to Scorpions and Quiet Riot concerts. They were the ones into Aha, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears, and Depeche Mode.

I'm generally a proponent of 1982-2000 definition of millennials generally, the years are just estimates as I like to always point out, but that year span probably lines up best with the basic idea.


When do you think Gen Z culture will start? I predict around late 2018 or early 2019.

The Brat Pack Gen Xers were the main drivers of pop culture in the 80s. It was just running concurrently with some Boomer trends. They were the ones watching MTV and going to Scorpions and Quiet Riot concerts. They were the ones into Aha, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears, and Depeche Mode.


I do think the '80s generally are more generation x than boomer, though the boomers do still have a big influence during the early part of the decade definitely.

When do you think Gen Z culture will start? I predict around late 2018 or early 2019.


Yeah circa 2020ish. We're in the last days of millennial pop culture now probably.

Mate. These are just some articles in a sea of many articles. Heck, a few weeks ago I remember seeing the 1981-1997 date used for Millennials in several articles. And there was a viral video months ago which got millions of views, where speaker Simon Sinek described Millennials as those born in 1984(???) and later. Every week the dates are different.

Point is. There is no set date on generations, they're not the law.
The main reason why the dates are different everytime is because some people are going by their perspective, rather than being objective.

I do agree though that generations are not exact; however, we can say the same thing with everything else. Nothing is supposed to be precise. It's based around estimations.


Millennial means someone young (high age school or younger) at the turn of the Millennium. Babies are also considered young. It's like how the Silent Generation is born up to 1945 even though they're known for depression and WW2 childhoods.

As for 2013/2014 that didn't seem like a new musical movement in the same light as 2008. I think that things are getting stale because we're in a transitory phase.
That's true, but that's actually the main point Gen Y are called Millennials in the first place. Y2K was a significant event for this generation, but it wasn't the only one that was remarkable. Think about Columbine, 9/11, 2008 election, and the Global financial crisis. Those were just as momentous as Y2K.

Well it got stale because of the overexposure of the musical movement from 2014. Since then, there's been nothing but banal EDM and Trap aside from very few great tracks.


I'm generally a proponent of 1982-2000 definition of millennials generally, the years are just estimates as I like to always point out, but that year span probably lines up best with the basic idea.
I'm also a proponent of that span as well; however, when it comes to facts gathered from events, characteristics, and other misc., we can't refute them.


When do you think Gen Z culture will start? I predict around late 2018 or early 2019.



Yeah circa 2020ish. We're in the last days of millennial pop culture now probably.
It actually began much earlier objectively. Right now, today's pop culture (except the MCU/DC films) is geared towards Generation Z.

It actually began much earlier objectively. Right now, today's pop culture (except the MCU/DC films) is geared towards Generation Z.


Really? It's hard to notice tbh, but maybe it's because I'm 30 now and I don't understand as much LOL, i just kinda assume since Gen Z hasn't really come of age yet. I know the older ones are teens now so they do have influence. But I mean the youngest millennials are only around 20 years old too still though so I mean they're still into pop culture I would imagine.

The Brat Pack Gen Xers were the main drivers of pop culture in the 80s. It was just running concurrently with some Boomer trends. They were the ones watching MTV and going to Scorpions and Quiet Riot concerts. They were the ones into Aha, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears, and Depeche Mode.


Completely agree.

Along the same lines, could you say that there was residual X culture beyond 1998? The notion that X culture was completely supplanted by Y culture after that point I find hard to believe. After all, the oldest Millennials didn't even turn 18 years old until 2000-2001 and prime Xers (1966-1974) were still in their early to mid 30s during the first half of the 2000s. "Friends," a true Gen X show, didn't go off the air until 2004. "The X-Files" and "ER" remained on television through 2002 and 2009, respectively. Then you had Grey's Anatomy debut in 2005, the cast of which is pretty much all Gen Xers; that's a show that most certainly had appeal among young adults.

Really? It's hard to notice tbh, but maybe it's because I'm 30 now and I don't understand as much LOL, i just kinda assume since Gen Z hasn't really come of age yet. I know the older ones are teens now so they do have influence. But I mean the youngest millennials are only around 20 years old too still though so I mean they're still into pop culture I would imagine.
I think that's the reason. You haven't payed attention to pop culture as much as before, so it's not surprising that you're not noticing it. It's been the same thing with me as well although I still have a concept of what generation today's pop culture is targeting. Shoot, there was even a question asked about who's the current generation. Not astonishing, the answer was Generation Z (aka the Zeds, post-Millennials)

Yeah, they somewhat are still tuned into pop culture; nevertheless, in the next few years they will be aging out.

I think that's the reason. You haven't payed attention to pop culture as much as before, so it's not surprising that you're not noticing it. It's been the same thing with me as well although I still have a concept of what generation today's pop culture is targeting. Shoot, there was even a question asked about who's the current generation. Not astonishing, the answer was Generation Z (aka the Zeds, post-Millennials)

Yeah, they somewhat are still tuned into pop culture; nevertheless, in the next few years they will be aging out.


I want something good and new to listen to when I drive places. This is why I can't wait until this current music trend ends. I don't think it has anything to do with my age. It has to do with the fact that it's just not good.

The current Generation is a mix of late Millennials and early Zeds. It's a very transitory period much how in 1997 the current generation was a mix of early Millennials and late Xers.

The current Generation is a mix of late Millennials and early Zeds. It's a very transitory period much how in 1997 the current generation was a mix of early Millennials and late Xers.


Yeah so true, goes along with being 30 now for me, still young but not the youngest anymore. There IS a younger crowd out there now that I'm kinda too old to truly understand I guess. Being born in 1987 I honestly have no real clue really what people born in say 2002 or 2003 are into, I can basically be their father for christ sakes.  ;D

I want something good and new to listen to when I drive places. This is why I can't wait until this current music trend ends. I don't think it has anything to do with my age. It has to do with the fact that it's just not good.

The current Generation is a mix of late Millennials and early Zeds. It's a very transitory period much how in 1997 the current generation was a mix of early Millennials and late Xers.
Trust me, it won't be stale for long. It's been banal far too much and it's getting tiring.

Where do you see the ages of the current generation from that standpoint?



I honestly have no real clue really what people born in say 2002 or 2003 are into, I can basically be their father for christ sakes.  ;D
For social media, they are into Snapchat, instagram, Vine (before it died) and Musical.ly. TV shows, anything that's on Disney, Nickelodeon, CW etc. For music, it's Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, Zayn Malik, Harry Styles, Selena Gomez, etc.

For social media, they are into Snapchat, instagram, Vine (before it died) and Musical.ly.


What even is Musical.ly? I've read comments from people born in 2002/2003 about Musical.ly before, but I have never known what they are talking about. I don't think people my age are into it, because I've never heard people from my year group (Class of 2017) ever talking about using the website. People born in 2002 and 2003 are only 3/4 years younger than me, but i'm not even sure what websites they use. How bad's that! :P

People born in 2002 and 2003 are only 3/4 years younger than me, but i'm not even sure what websites they use. How bad's that! :P


Maybe that is truly the generational divide considering that. If you even as a '99er don't really "get" them 2002 and 2003ers...  ;D

What even is Musical.ly? I've read comments from people born in 2002/2003 about Musical.ly before, but I have never known what they are talking about. I don't think people my age are into it, because I've never heard people from my year group (Class of 2017) ever talking about using the website. People born in 2002 and 2003 are only 3/4 years younger than me, but i'm not even sure what websites they use. How bad's that! :P
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https://musical.ly

Bearing the scars of being a young adult in the 2010s is probably the absolute key of being a millennial, both those born circa 1982 and those born circa 2000 bear those scars to an extent at the opposite ends of the spectrum. That's the key.

Bearing the scars of being a young adult in the 2010s is probably the absolute key of being a millennial, both those born circa 1982 and those born circa 2000 bear those scars to an extent at the opposite ends of the spectrum. That's the key.
I agree with your statement, but what age span is the young adult phase? It's because I never hear, or see this term be applied in person.

I agree with your statement, but what age span is the young adult phase? It's because I never hear, or see this term be applied in person.


Late teens to early 30s imo, focus is 20s though. Once you're clearly old enough to be the parent of another adult you're clearly not really a young adult anymore, so around age 35-36. 30-35ish is very cuspy, you're not like an ideal young adult but you're not quite early middle aged yet either.

I want something good and new to listen to when I drive places. This is why I can't wait until this current music trend ends. I don't think it has anything to do with my age. It has to do with the fact that it's just not good.

The current Generation is a mix of late Millennials and early Zeds. It's a very transitory period much how in 1997 the current generation was a mix of early Millennials and late Xers.


I agree 100%.

Late teens to early 30s imo, focus is 20s though. Once you're clearly old enough to be the parent of another adult you're clearly not really a young adult anymore, so around age 35-36. 30-35ish is very cuspy, you're not like an ideal young adult but you're not quite early middle aged yet either.
Oh. Now I see. It's just that when I see that term, it's usually applied to those in the 18-22/24/25 group; those over that age range are generally not considered one anymore.

Oh. Now I see. It's just that when I see that term, it's usually applied to those in the 18-22/24/25 group; those over that age range are generally not considered one anymore.


18-24/25 is more like the absolute youngEST (college aged) adults. But I do think until you're like double the age of the youngest adult (18), so around age 36, you can sort of call yourself a young adult still. Late 30s is definitely basically very early middle age though, still really young in life overall however. It's sorta makes sense, since that's when athletes usually end their careers and stuff.

Definitions are so confusing!  :D  :D

18-24/25 is more like the absolute youngEST (college aged) adults. But I do think until you're like double the age of the youngest adult (18), so around age 36, you can sort of call yourself a young adult still. Late 30s is definitely basically very early middle age though, still really young in life overall however. It's sorta makes sense, since that's when athletes usually end their careers and stuff.
Well, that's weird. I think the point with the long young adult phase has to do with the expectancy considering that people are living longer than before. Plus, there's research saying that adolescence itself has extended and now ends at 25.

I think the problem is that too many people are holding on to their youth. Yes, there's nothing wrong with looking young, but there's comes a time where folks need to move on to the next phase. I was searching on Google about certain ages a few days ago, and I came across many articles saying that "30 is not the new 20" or "50 is not the new 40".

I agree with those reports because it's time to start settling down now instead of later. I understand that some folks are not ready to settle down at a certain age; however, it seems that most people are taking that for granted, and don't realize that each of their decade is very valuable. Folks should not push the next phase back too much, or it may come back and bite them.

I found a video sometime ago about this, and it's very helpful. Although it's a few years old, I think it would be great to watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhhgI4tSMwc

Those d*mn Millennials, they're like Peter Pan!  8)  8)  8)

-A Millenial-

Well, that's weird. I think the point with the long young adult phase has to do with the expectancy considering that people are living longer than before. Plus, there's research saying that adolescence itself has extended and now ends at 25.

I think the problem is that too many people are holding on to their youth. Yes, there's nothing wrong with looking young, but there's comes a time where folks need to move on to the next phase. I was searching on Google about certain ages a few days ago, and I came across many articles saying that "30 is not the new 20" or "50 is not the new 40".

I agree with those reports because it's time to start settling down now instead of later. I understand that some folks are not ready to settle down at a certain age; however, it seems that most people are taking that for granted, and don't realize that each of their decade is very valuable. Folks should not push the next phase back too much, or it may come back and bite them.

I found a video sometime ago about this, and it's very helpful. Although it's a few years old, I think it would be great to watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhhgI4tSMwc


I think 30s is just transitional, it's not exactly young adult but not quite middle aged either. You're just in your 30s so to say.

I think 30s is just transitional, it's not exactly young adult but not quite middle aged either. You're just in your 30s so to say.
I can agree the 30s are transitional, but the 20s are definitely much more of that phase. Besides, by the time most people reach 30 they're most likely settled down.

I can agree the 30s are transitional, but the 20s are definitely much more of that phase. Besides, by the time most people reach 30 they're most likely settled down.


Yeah as I said 20s is ideal young adult that's just getting out of college and getting that first real job, though you are still young in your 30s but in a more mature way (now getting established with career, wife/husband, first home, kids).

Yeah as I said 20s is ideal young adult that's just getting out of college and getting that first real job, though you are still young in your 30s but in a more mature way (now getting established with career, wife/husband, first home, kids).
True; however, there are those in their 20s who have all those achievements as well. The main reason why those goals have been pushed back is due to the terrible economy that happened almost a decade ago.

True; however, there are those in their 20s who have all those achievements as well. The main reason why those goals have been pushed back is due to the terrible economy that happened almost a decade ago.


Yeah I actually know some people that had kids at 20 and have 10 year olds now and some that got married early 20s and have been married a bit now, I do think that's kinda young though. They were mature for early 20s so in those cases it can be ok maybe. Late 20s is good, but 20, 22 year olds seem so young, but some people are different than others. Generally I think it's best to get married around 30 and have your babies then when you have a lot more brains than you do at 21.

Yeah I actually know some people that had kids at 20 and have 10 year olds now and some that got married early 20s and have been married a bit now, I do think that's kinda young though. They were mature for early 20s so in those cases it can be ok maybe. Late 20s is good, but 20, 22 year olds seem so young, but some people are different than others. Generally I think it's best to get married around 30 and have your babies then when you have a lot more brains than you do at 21.
Same here although wasn't that the norm though back then? While I understand the late 20s is a good period, the problem is that people are not completing those goals due to the awful economy. I mean, folks can't afford a house or children without good finances.

Same here although wasn't that the norm though back then? While I understand the late 20s is a good period, the problem is that people are not completing those goals due to the awful economy. I mean, folks can't afford a house or children without good finances.


The economy is actually better now, though it was horrible early 10s, but now I mean it's not really that bad idk.

The economy is actually better now, though it was horrible early 10s, but now I mean it's not really that bad idk.
That's great to to hear. Now, people will finally be able to get married, buy a home etc.

Although I was saying that because of the recession from about a decade ago, it forced people to push back on settling down that they didn't want to do.

That's great to to hear. Now, people will finally be able to get married, buy a home etc.

Although I was saying that because of the recession from about a decade ago, it forced people to push back on settling down that they didn't want to do.


I think average first time mother in the US is 26 now and first marriage is 27 (female) and 29 (male), pushed back a bit from the early 20s stuff in the '70s but it's probably about perfect now.

Well, that's weird. I think the point with the long young adult phase has to do with the expectancy considering that people are living longer than before. Plus, there's research saying that adolescence itself has extended and now ends at 25.

I think the problem is that too many people are holding on to their youth. Yes, there's nothing wrong with looking young, but there's comes a time where folks need to move on to the next phase. I was searching on Google about certain ages a few days ago, and I came across many articles saying that "30 is not the new 20" or "50 is not the new 40".

I agree with those reports because it's time to start settling down now instead of later. I understand that some folks are not ready to settle down at a certain age; however, it seems that most people are taking that for granted, and don't realize that each of their decade is very valuable. Folks should not push the next phase back too much, or it may come back and bite them.

I found a video sometime ago about this, and it's very helpful. Although it's a few years old, I think it would be great to watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhhgI4tSMwc


I don't think people should have to dress frumpy and boring once they're out of the young adult phase. People should be free to act and dress as they want.

The ages of life how I see them:

Young adult 20s, prime adult 30s, early middle aged 40s, neutral 50s, late middle/retirement aged 60s, prime senior 70s, middle senior 80s, late senior 90s +.

I don't think people should have to dress frumpy and boring once they're out of the young adult phase. People should be free to act and dress as they want.


I definitely agree with that statement.

What even is Musical.ly? I've read comments from people born in 2002/2003 about Musical.ly before, but I have never known what they are talking about. I don't think people my age are into it, because I've never heard people from my year group (Class of 2017) ever talking about using the website. People born in 2002 and 2003 are only 3/4 years younger than me, but i'm not even sure what websites they use. How bad's that! :P

I agree with you. I'm the same way.

I think average first time mother in the US is 26 now and first marriage is 27 (female) and 29 (male), pushed back a bit from the early 20s stuff in the '70s but it's probably about perfect now.
Yeah, there has been studies behind that both of those goals have increased over-time. This is great and all since it gives them more time, but people should remember to not wait too long.


I don't think people should have to dress frumpy and boring once they're out of the young adult phase. People should be free to act and dress as they want.
Well, they don't have to; however, the point of her video is don't wait to settle down too long. One can have a family, or be married together; nonetheless, he/she can still  be exciting, and fashionable.

Yeah I actually know some people that had kids at 20 and have 10 year olds now and some that got married early 20s and have been married a bit now, I do think that's kinda young though. They were mature for early 20s so in those cases it can be ok maybe. Late 20s is good, but 20, 22 year olds seem so young, but some people are different than others. Generally I think it's best to get married around 30 and have your babies then when you have a lot more brains than you do at 21.

IF that's what people want. Marriage and/or children is a choice, not mandatory. Not everybody wants that life and nodoby should go for it if they don't want it. And it doesn't constitute being a "grown up" either having that life. Work, don't take from anybody or expect hand outs, take responsibility for your own actions, make more reasonable decisions, all these things make you an adult. Marriage, children is life choices.

And I agree with you guys, for those who wants that life needs to be mature and responsible before making those choices.

I don't think people should have to dress frumpy and boring once they're out of the young adult phase. People should be free to act and dress as they want.

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What even is Musical.ly? I've read comments from people born in 2002/2003 about Musical.ly before, but I have never known what they are talking about. I don't think people my age are into it, because I've never heard people from my year group (Class of 2017) ever talking about using the website. People born in 2002 and 2003 are only 3/4 years younger than me, but i'm not even sure what websites they use. How bad's that! :P


People born in 2002 and 2003 are Musical.ly's main population, as most of the top users were born then (Sartorius, Jojo Siwa, Maddie Zieger, Matty B, Loren Gray).

The Carter/ Mondale '80s: Baby Boomer
The Reagan/Bush '80s: Baby Boomer/Xer

The Carter '80s: Baby Boomer
The Reagan/Bush '80s: Baby Boomer/Xer


But to you, isn't George HW Bush a 90's president?

But to you, isn't George HW Bush a 90's president?


He is a '90s president. I made a mistake in my last post.

People born in 2002 and 2003 are Musical.ly's main population, as most of the top users were born then (Sartorius, Jojo Siwa, Maddie Zieger, Matty B, Loren Gray).


Yup, and tbh, I feel like there is a generational divide between myself and that group of people.

I generally considered the '80s the late Boomer/early Gen X cusp decade, but how Baby Boomer were the '80s overall? Is the Baby Boomer influence on '80s pop culture underestimated? Are the '80s more Boomer or Gen X is the question?


Boomer culture may have dominated until around '87-ish.  Culture was shifting then, and we late Boomers were getting into our late twenties and thirties, out of college and into the "real world".  Pop culture has tended to generally trend more towards high school and college-age youth rather than older adults, so as we late Boomers aged more, culture shifted towards the younger, the Gen X folks.

Well, the guy who made Sixteen Candles was a Baby Boomer. John Hughes was born in 1950. However, he did make the film to reflect teen culture of the 1980s.


This is the thing that gets me about these conversations. We keep labeling a period in pop culture after a particular generation despite the fact that the directors, producers, and writers of that period are of a previous generation.