1980:
http://i65.tinypic.com/k2n4ns.jpg

1981:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2d1tds2.jpg

1982:
http://i65.tinypic.com/jg4q45.jpg

By 1986 his style would be what we consider to be more in line with the 80s:
http://i65.tinypic.com/15dq5v6.jpg

but I'm curious if his long hair/side burns and then beard look circa 80 to 82 would've been 'out of date' or unfashionable in those years?

Well, all I can say is your dad definitely wasn't alone.  My college yearbooks have pictures of guys who look like this all the way into the late 80s.  You describe his hair as "long" but even in the 1984 yearbook, about 15% had hair below the shoulders.  I do notice, however, that facial hair does decrease as you go later into the 80s.




1982:
http://i65.tinypic.com/jg4q45.jpg

...

but I'm curious if his long hair/side burns and then beard look circa 80 to 82 would've been 'out of date' or unfashionable in those years?

Well, all I can say is your dad definitely wasn't alone.  My college yearbooks have pictures of guys who look like this all the way into the late 80s.  You describe his hair as "long" but even in the 1984 yearbook, about 15% had hair below the shoulders.  I do notice, however, that facial hair does decrease as you go later into the 80s.


Didn't goatees start to appear in around 1989 or so?

Your dad looks like Michael McDonald in the 1981 photo - and Michael kept that look til now lol.

Your dad looks like Michael McDonald in the 1981 photo - and Michael kept that look til now lol.


and Michael is all gray now.

Didn't goatees start to appear in around 1989 or so?


Maybe.  I didn't start to see them around me until around the mid or late 90s.  Even then, they weren't commonplace.  It seems that fashion trends aren't always the same everywhere.

Maybe.  I didn't start to see them around me until around the mid or late 90s.  Even then, they weren't commonplace.  It seems that fashion trends aren't always the same everywhere.


EZJAtkqiV8U

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/6c/William_T._Riker%2C_2365.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121210005644&path-prefix=en

This was all 1989.

Well, all I can say is your dad definitely wasn't alone.  My college yearbooks have pictures of guys who look like this all the way into the late 80s.  You describe his hair as "long" but even in the 1984 yearbook, about 15% had hair below the shoulders.  I do notice, however, that facial hair does decrease as you go later into the 80s.


Is 1986-1988 the period with the least amount of facial hair in the 80's?

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/6c/William_T._Riker%2C_2365.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121210005644&path-prefix=en

This was all 1989.


In my perception, goatees were a Gen X thing for the most part and if you were wearing one as early as 1989 you were very hip and ahead of time. There might have been some here or there but I don't think they became truly mainstream until the mid to late 90s. Goatees had some bad pop cultural memories prior to the late 80s - Maynard G. Krebs, the stereotypical image of the lazy beatnik, Evil Spock, etc. It's not until the late 90s that you see them become a mainstream facial hair choice outside of the 20somethings.

It depends. Was your father from the midwest or any other rural areas? The early 80s in the Midwest were basically equal to the late 70s of urban cities. Can you also post pics from the 70s. Given his style in the early 80s, I am assuming he had conservative haircuts in the early 70s.

In my perception, goatees were a Gen X thing for the most part and if you were wearing one as early as 1989 you were very hip and ahead of time. There might have been some here or there but I don't think they became truly mainstream until the mid to late 90s. Goatees had some bad pop cultural memories prior to the late 80s - Maynard G. Krebs, the stereotypical image of the lazy beatnik, Evil Spock, etc. It's not until the late 90s that you see them become a mainstream facial hair choice outside of the 20somethings.


http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe2010s/smf/1310165808.shtml (uses the end of the 80's as the starting date for goatees)

However, I might say that it ultimately depends on location more than anything else.

I have a good feeling that people who say that goatees started to become popular in around 1989 may be from the "more trendy" parts of the US.

Nah, that look was pretty common 80-82 from what I've seen in yearbooks and other photos of the time.

And I think by 84 facial hair had taken a bit of a slide in popularity aside from Miami Vice "designer stubble" which is more clean cut than the messy styles popular in the 70s.

It depends. Was your father from the midwest or any other rural areas? The early 80s in the Midwest were basically equal to the late 70s of urban cities. Can you also post pics from the 70s. Given his style in the early 80s, I am assuming he had conservative haircuts in the early 70s.


NYC.

1972 or 1973:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2r28wnl.jpg

April 1974:
http://i64.tinypic.com/28swqba.jpg

Some people have their own sense of style and don't feel the need to constantly change their appearance.  He clearly likes facial hair and a longer hairstyle

NYC.

1972 or 1973:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2r28wnl.jpg

April 1974:
http://i64.tinypic.com/28swqba.jpg


So your Father looking at the first photo was a hippie?

So your Father looking at the first photo was a hippie?


He was too young to be a real Hippie - having been born in 1954 - he never marched in a protest. He wasn't violently political like say, a cousin of mine who was arrested in 1970 for staging a student walk-out and sit-in was. He was against the Vietnam War yet he and a friend tried to sign up in 1972 out of boredom. I was born in 1990 so I can't really tell you much about my father in the 70s or 80s other than what he has told me, but I know he and my grandfather got into sometimes violent arguments over the war - my grandpa being a big time hawk. I know my father was very traumatized as a teen by the nightly death tolls on TV and had a few friends die in Vietnam and those that went and came back alive were never the same. But he was not a political activist, and I think knowing him now was probably politically ignorant. What I do know is that in the late 1960s and 1970s he suffered with an addiction to alcohol and pills - not sure of what kind - and that he was placed in the Rockefeller Program. I'm not sure how it all worked, but I know the photo of him sitting in the park was taken by his girlfriend on an outpatient day from what was basically, as best as I understand, a halfway house. I think my father's thing was more "sex, drugs, and rock n' roll" as opposed to any actual Hippie ideals, if that makes sense? I know also in the 1970s he despised Disco. He once wore a "DISCO SUCKS" pin on his shirt and was walking through a park in NYC and got hit over the head with a bottle by Disco guys for wearing the pin.

My father is a guy whose attitude and values and even sense of aesthetics would've probably been more common in say, Virginia or such, than New York City. My father for example always had the Rebel Flag up in our house and yet his best and only friend was black. He didn't support the CONFEDERACY, but adored that flag as a symbol of rebellion and going against the law. When he was younger I think he pretty much hated cops as well, at least NYC cops. He always had a country vibe to him for a guy raised his whole life in Brooklyn.

I will say this: He has said on more than one occasion that the 80s were the best period of his life overall. The mid-late 80s also seems to be the only period in which he was in touch with fashion. He also became the first college graduate of our family in the 80s. He went to nursing school in fits and starts between 1979 and 1983 - he would go for a class or two and then withdraw. He was with some very troubled women in the 80s who at times brought him down - particularly one girlfriend who was a schemer and class A trash - he got arrested twice, only months apart, in 1984 while being with her, and his student career came to a standstill while with her. After dumping her, in 1986 he buckled down and went to nursing school back to back and got his Associates degree in June 1988, then got hired by a hospital in November 1988 which he worked at until he retired. 1988 was probably the best overall year of his life. He got his Bachelor's in 95, probably the second best year of his life overall.

May 6th, 1984:
http://i64.tinypic.com/5bbm2e.jpg

September 1985:
http://i68.tinypic.com/11hxwfp.jpg

1987
http://i65.tinypic.com/1pwivq.jpg

1988
http://i64.tinypic.com/209rpe0.jpg

May 25th 1989:
http://i66.tinypic.com/nvba5h.jpg

as compared to 1992
http://i63.tinypic.com/bdw46a.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2s8pifm.jpg

May 6th, 1984:
http://i64.tinypic.com/5bbm2e.jpg

September 1985:
http://i68.tinypic.com/11hxwfp.jpg

1987
http://i65.tinypic.com/1pwivq.jpg

1988
http://i64.tinypic.com/209rpe0.jpg

May 25th 1989:
http://i66.tinypic.com/nvba5h.jpg

as compared to 1992
http://i63.tinypic.com/bdw46a.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2s8pifm.jpg


So he kept his mustache up until the 90's?

It went when he began dating my mother in November 1989.

It went when he began dating my mother in November 1989.


So he would be your biological Father?

as compared to 1992
http://i63.tinypic.com/bdw46a.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2s8pifm.jpg


Your dad seems very much in tune with the normie fashion of his days.

Normie?

Normie?


Regular people.

Yeah you can see your Dad's hairstyle and fashion change unilaterally with the trends throughout the 80's and early 90's. My dad is a few year's younger, and his looks never really evolved like that. He graduated high school in the late 70s, so he had a stereotypical 70's curly/wavy haircut. But from '83 when he married my mom up until the late 90's, his fashion & haircut never really changed. Short sleeve polo shirts with khakis shorts or pants were the norm. He never had a mullet or mustache. In fact, he could look like that today and no one would blink an eye. The only thing different now is that he's overweight and balding lol.

Is 1986-1988 the period with the least amount of facial hair in the 80's?


Hard for me to say for sure because in 1988 I moved from one part of the country to another for graduate school.  From the late 80s through the late 90s, most college age guys in Hawaii had short hair and little or no facial hair at all, from what I recall.  Actually, I'd say up until the early or mid 00s (say 2003 or 2004), the prevailing style among young men in the islands seemed to be clean cut and short hair.  I get the impression sometimes that other parts of the US may have been different.

Does you're father ever AGE? :o. He looks the same in all the photos you've posted of him.

Does you're father ever AGE? :o. He looks the same in all the photos you've posted of him.


His father must be in his 50's by now? ???

His father must be in his 50's by now? ???


He's probably in his 60's by now.

Will be 64 in a month and yes he's my biological father. In 1982 he was 28 and in the last 90s photo in this thread 38, so it spans 1982 to 1992. He looked pretty much the same facially until I would say his mid to late 50s and then began to really age.

November 1990 (age 36)
http://i64.tinypic.com/20sdgm9.jpg

December 31st, 1999 (age 46)
http://i68.tinypic.com/2dj44xx.jpg

Will be 64 in a month and yes he's my biological father. In 1982 he was 28 and in the last 90s photo in this thread 38, so it spans 1982 to 1992. He looked pretty much the same facially until I would say his mid to late 50s and then began to really age.

November 1990 (age 36)
http://i64.tinypic.com/20sdgm9.jpg

December 31st, 1999 (age 46)
http://i68.tinypic.com/2dj44xx.jpg


How about any pictures of him now, like something recently? ???

Your dad looks pretty normal for both the 70s and the 80s. He was also very hot.

His girlfriends seemed to agree. He had literally a different girlfriend every year, sometimes several in a given year. My sister's mother from the late 70s through 82, Sonya and a friend of hers from 82-85 and then Sonya on and off through to 1989 (I am in contact with her kids, and they consider my father the only father figure they ever had), another woman in 1985, Patti in 1986, Elizbeth from 1987-1988, another woman in 1987 or 1988, Iris on and off from the summer of 1988 through the Fall of 1989, Eileen from early 1989 through the Fall of 89, and my mother in the fall of 1989. In fact, we have a tape he made in Sears of my sister and one of his girlfriend's daughters doing a lipsync of the song Straight Up which is dated 10/9/1989. My mother and father would marry in May 1990.

His girlfriends seemed to agree. He had literally a different girlfriend every year, sometimes several in a given year. My sister's mother from the late 70s through 82, Sonya and a friend of hers from 82-85 and then Sonya on and off through to 1989 (I am in contact with her kids, and they consider my father the only father figure they ever had), another woman in 1985, Patti in 1986, Elizbeth from 1987-1988, another woman in 1987 or 1988, Iris on and off from the summer of 1988 through the Fall of 1989, Eileen from early 1989 through the Fall of 89, and my mother in the fall of 1989. In fact, we have a tape he made in Sears of my sister and one of his girlfriend's daughters doing a lipsync of the song Straight Up which is dated 10/9/1989. My mother and father would marry in May 1990.


So they've been married for 28 years?

So they've been married for 28 years?


Yes.