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Subject: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Indy Gent on 01/18/02 at 05:24 p.m.

Were anyone that surprised that the duo Milli Vanilli lip synced all of their songs? I mean, if you heard them talk and then heard their album, you would know whether they faked it or not. I'm not saying that singers with foreign accents can't sound like American R & B singers. Fabrice became at least semi-talented after the ruse was up. But not in the amount of time Milli Vanilli became Grammy winners. (They had to give back the "Best Newcomer" Grammy)

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: merry-beth on 01/18/02 at 09:20 p.m.

actually, before the grammys,  saw a perfoemance they did and commented that I didn't understand how they could jump and dance all over the place and not sound one chord differently than the recording.....so, no I guess I wasn't all that suprised

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Bobo on 01/18/02 at 09:33 p.m.

Having listened on the television to so many artists (Britney Spears, Westlife, et cetera) mime their way through songs, I think it's in people's mind-set not to care that much about people miming any more. After all, its about records sold, not ability to sing live (unfortunately)

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: ThunderVamp9 on 01/18/02 at 11:50 p.m.


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Having listened on the television to so many artists (Britney Spears, Westlife, et cetera) mime their way through songs, I think it's in people's mind-set not to care that much about people miming any more. After all, its about records sold, not ability to sing live (unfortunately)
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Not for me, it's not.  I saw Milli Vanilli live.  And while they put on a hell of a show, they were the only group, outside of NKOTB, that sounded EXACTLY like they're album.  Dead-giveaway.  To me, it's not just the performance on stage, it's the energy that comes through when a band plays live.  The raw sound, that isn't being enhanced in anyway.  The voices are rougher, the music is rougher, the SOUND has a raw edge to it that you don't get on an album.  MV stole that from their audience.

That's a major reason I love Def Leppard so much.  Not only do their albums sound fantastic, but their live performances are outstanding.

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: BadAngel on 01/19/02 at 11:17 p.m.


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That's a major reason I love Def Leppard so much.  Not only do their albums sound fantastic, but their live performances are outstanding.
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Me, too!!  I have only had the pleasure of seeing them live once, but they were fantastic!!  They are one of the few bands I'd gladly pay to see live again.  :)

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: dagwood on 01/20/02 at 08:38 a.m.


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Me, too!!  I have only had the pleasure of seeing them live once, but they were fantastic!!  They are one of the few bands I'd gladly pay to see live again.  :)
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Me, too! I saw them on the Hysteria tour and the concert got started 2 hours late because of some idiot in the audience with a gun. (Moron ::))  They still rocked for over 2 hours, made for a tough day at school the next day, but it was a great memory. ;D

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: ThunderVamp9 on 01/20/02 at 05:12 p.m.

I've seen them on the Hysteria tour in Old Orchard Beach, the Adrenalize tour in Portland, ME, and the Euphoria tour back in 2000 in Charlotte, NC.  They've rocked every time.  I got to go backstage and meet Joe Elliott and Rick Allen in NC.  Two of the nicest guys I've seen.  And I'll travel a great distance to see this band.  We made an overnight trip out of it in NC, going from FL to NC...

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: TX on 01/20/02 at 08:50 p.m.

I saw them on the Hysteria tour and also last year at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, and it was great!

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: cs on 01/21/02 at 12:36 a.m.

Since this has turned into a Def Leppard thread, I'll contribute!
I saw them too many years ago with Krokus and Jon Butcher Axis as the 2 opening acts. ;D

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Indy Gent on 01/21/02 at 01:47 p.m.

This is still a Milli Vanilli thread, but I did buy the "Pyromania" album. It's a shame Rick Allen couldn't play the end solo to "Billy's Got A Gun" after his accident. Keep on rockin', old timers.

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Since this has turned into a Def Leppard thread, I'll contribute!
I saw them too many years ago with Krokus and Jon Butcher Axis as the 2 opening acts. ;D

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Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: rip_jeans on 01/21/02 at 07:24 p.m.

Going back to the Milli Vanilli thread  ;D  Be honest,how many us went out and bought their Girl You Know Its True album? Before the Grammy's disaster some of us suspected them of lipsyncing. But did we care? Hell NO! We still went out and bought their album. So for all y'all MV fans before the grammy's then turned haters after the grammy's, you can kiss my A..

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Goreripper on 01/22/02 at 09:49 a.m.

Well I never liked Milli Vanilli, but it's intersting how times change. Back then they were villified for lip-synching, and now everyone does it, at least to the point where their voices are synthesized, enhanced, dubbed and even have other voices dropped in here and there when the singer can't hit the right note, and no one cares.

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Indy Gent on 01/22/02 at 11:44 a.m.

Too late to save Rob Pilatus :'(

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Well I never liked Milli Vanilli, but it's intersting how times change. Back then they were villified for lip-synching, and now everyone does it, at least to the point where their voices are synthesized, enhanced, dubbed and even have other voices dropped in here and there when the singer can't hit the right note, and no one cares.
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Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/22/02 at 02:11 p.m.

I remember reading about the whole thing, and in the music industry, most people seemed to know it. No one wanted to be the one to point it out though and look like they were jealous or something. Just like the Emperor's Clothes.

Even though most of the teeny bopper bands of the day do lip synch, at some point they did their own vocals, even if they did distort them to sound better. Far be it from me to defend N'sync or any of their ilk, but I'm sure they have some talent, even if they are perfoming the world's worst crap.

I happen to think Milli Vanilli got what they deserved. Maybe not Rob's sucide, but the public humiliation was definately deserved. They wanted an easy path to success, and there really isn't one.

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Indy Gent on 01/22/02 at 02:32 p.m.

By the way, what happened to the actual MV singers? Didn't they sound good enough to cut an album to call their own? ???

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Goreripper on 01/24/02 at 08:01 p.m.

Yes and it was so good, no one remembers it.

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: ThunderVamp9 on 01/24/02 at 08:25 p.m.


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Going back to the Milli Vanilli thread  ;D  Be honest,how many us went out and bought their Girl You Know Its True album? Before the Grammy's disaster some of us suspected them of lipsyncing. But did we care? Hell NO! We still went out and bought their album. So for all y'all MV fans before the grammy's then turned haters after the grammy's, you can kiss my A..
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I can honestly say I never bought their album prior to their being nailed.  I didn't mind the music, I just didn't care enough about it.

Quoting:I happen to think Milli Vanilli got what they deserved. Maybe not Rob's sucide, but the public humiliation was definately deserved. They wanted an easy path to success, and there really isn't one.
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This I completely disagree with.  They did not get what they deserved, they got far worse.  Let's face it, it wasn't their idea.  The record company had these songs, but didn't like the singers.  Too bad for the singers, of course.  The record company gets the idea to make a group, and creates Milli Vanilli.  Rob And Fab are tapped for this role.  And who can blame them?  Can you imagine the offer on the table in front of them?  All they have to do is look good, and keep quiet.  They could dance, they could entertain.  They could perform.  Their only fault is in not being able to sing those songs, and poor judgement.  That does not warrant the abuse they suffered afterwards, though.  It was not an easy path to success, although to them it must've been a hell of a ride while it lasted.  The record company are the ones who should have ultimately been held accountable for what happened with MV.

What I don't understand is, what the HELL were people thinking, using a medium that could skip during the live shows?

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: DJ Midas on 01/25/02 at 12:29 a.m.


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Going back to the Milli Vanilli thread  ;D  Be honest,how many us went out and bought their Girl You Know Its True album? Before the Grammy's disaster some of us suspected them of lipsyncing. But did we care? Hell NO! We still went out and bought their album. So for all y'all MV fans before the grammy's then turned haters after the grammy's, you can kiss my A..
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I bought it...and the 12" singles for "Girl You Know It's True," "Baby Don't Forget My Number" and "All Or Nothing."  I didn't care if the Rob & Fab sang on the record or not.  Sh*t, they have some slender gal on the C&C Music Factory video of "Gonna Make You Sweat" when Martha Wash (heavy woman with beautiful voice) actually sang most of the vocals.  Same with Black Box.  It's all about marketing.

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/25/02 at 02:55 p.m.


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This I completely disagree with.  They did not get what they deserved, they got far worse.  Let's face it, it wasn't their idea.  The record company had these songs, but didn't like the singers.  Too bad for the singers, of course.  The record company gets the idea to make a group, and creates Milli Vanilli.  Rob And Fab are tapped for this role.  And who can blame them?  Can you imagine the offer on the table in front of them?  All they have to do is look good, and keep quiet.  They could dance, they could entertain.  They could perform.  Their only fault is in not being able to sing those songs, and poor judgement.  That does not warrant the abuse they suffered afterwards, though.  It was not an easy path to success, although to them it must've been a hell of a ride while it lasted.  The record company are the ones who should have ultimately been held accountable for what happened with MV.
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no, you don't remember the entire story.. Rob and Fab went to the record company with the express intent of doing something along these lines. They didn't show up with their own music and get told to do these songs instead. They showed up looking for lip sync work. I'm sure they didn't expect it to go as far as it did, but they started out with the intent to deceive, they were not innocent by any means.

I will agree they got more than their share of the abuse, the record company and the producers deserved public fall out too, but I still believe they deserved to be drummed out of the business. The problem is they were the ONLY ones drummed out in the process. When I think of the thousands of musicians who spend their lives trying to make it, and these guys just waltz in and expect nothing bad to happen for trying to impersonate a hard working group, I get pretty upset.  

They tried to capitalize on their looks and got burned for it. ABC stated it best, "Vanity Kills".

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Jonman on 01/25/02 at 04:45 p.m.

"Milli Vanilli will not be goin' to Rock n Roll Heaven for they have sinned against the lord! Not only did they not play on their records but they did not sing on their records...therefor they will not receive their dashboard Jesus..." - Jon Bon Jovi during a soundcheck at Wembley Stadium

Subject: Lip Syncing

Written By: Doc on 01/26/02 at 00:43 a.m.

The reason ANY singer lip-syncs is to cover up the fact that he has NO TALENT and cannot carry a tune outside the studio!

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Bobo on 01/26/02 at 02:59 a.m.

Since lip-synching artists have, as you put it, no talent, they wouldn't be able to carry a tune inside the studio either, surely?

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Doc on 01/27/02 at 06:53 p.m.


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Since lip-synching artists have, as you put it, no talent, they wouldn't be able to carry a tune inside the studio either, surely?
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That's right, but recording in a studio will enable an "artist" to pull off all sorts of tricks.

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Indy Gent on 01/28/02 at 05:36 p.m.

A man with very little talent mocking 2 men with none at all. Sounds like the pot calling the kettles black (no pun intended).

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"Milli Vanilli will not be goin' to Rock n Roll Heaven for they have sinned against the lord! Not only did they not play on their records but they did not sing on their records...therefor they will not receive their dashboard Jesus..." - Jon Bon Jovi during a soundcheck at Wembley Stadium
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Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: The Skuz on 08/02/02 at 09:01 a.m.


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I can honestly say I never bought their album prior to their being nailed.  I didn't mind the music, I just didn't care enough about it.


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Me neither. And furthermore their Grammy should've gone to The Indigo Girls.

>:(

And I'll bet my post with  the error has already shown up.

>:( >:(

Subject: Re: Milli Vanilli Hoax

Written By: Tv on 08/03/02 at 08:48 p.m.

I remember seeing the Milli Vanilli "Behind Music" back in 98. I did feel bad for Rob's scuicide. Nobody deserves that but I guess if the public see's you every single day and knows who you are  some people might have recognized from the Milli Vanilli thing and really be very cruel to him and bust on him. I guess he couldn't take it anymore. Fabrice had a good voice I think from what I have heard(he kinda sounds like a combonation of Michael Jackson and Craig David.) He's married now and I am happy for him that he is living his life to the fullest. As for the topic at hand: When Milli Vanilli won best New Artist the Record Producers, Arista Records, Rob & Fab knew they had to come out and tell the world what they did.