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Subject: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading?

Written By: Fernando on 04/30/03 at 04:03 a.m.

You know, the early 1990's were a really exciting time.  There was SO MUCH going on, and it seemed like such a massive change from the way it was in the 80's.  Remember what a great year 1991 was?  There was the Gulf War.  The Soviet Union collapsed.  There was the Rodney King beating.  There was the Clarence Thomas--Anita Hill hearings.  There was the big economic recession, not good I know, but it still had an impact on the way life was.  In 1992 there was riots in L.A. over the Rodney King trial.  America had the most exciting presidential election ever, with 3 candidates running.  Clinton, Bush Sr., and Ross Perot.  It's not often that an incumbent, especially a Republican,---a Republican so closely associated with the mega popular Ronald Reagan mind you----is elected out of office.  Then in 1993 there was the issue with the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, TX.  And all though these two happened in 1989, it was still fairly recent and felt more early 90ish then 80's ---the Tinamen Square protests in China and the fall of the Berlin Wall in Germany.  And ofcourse in 1991, Nirvana came and did away with all the hair bands and was the final nail in the coffin for whatever was left of the late 80's.

After all that happened in the early 90's, I distinctly remember thinking that we were in for the ride of our lives.  I was in high school in the early 90's (graduated in 1993) and I remember one kid in one of my classes kept saying, "What the hell happened in the 80's?  I mean really what did happen in the 80's?"  I knew what he was talking about. Everyone did.  From what we were seeing in the early 90's, the 80's looked terribley dull and boring.  It seemed like the 90's were going to be the most exciting decade ever, and we would inherit the curse of Confucious and "live in interesting times".  Our parent's decade, the 60's, were going to have NOTHING on the 90's.  I mean if the early 90's were so cool, then the mid and late 90's just had to be 10 times better. The world seemed to get turned on it's head in the early 90's.  Even pop culture and fashion was changing drastically with the arrival of Nirvana and Pearl Jam.  There were also whispers of some new fangled gadget called the "internet" being available to the public.  Yup, we sure would have some stories for our kids and grandkids.

Obviously it didn't happen.  :(  ???

From mid 1993 through 1999 and early 2000, we lived in the most boring time ever.  It was even MORE BORING then the 80's!!!  What happened? Not much except reality TV shows, trash talk shows, and stupid sh*t like O.J. Simpson, Tonya Harding, and Monica Lewinsky.  The music started to really suck too, especially towards the end of the decade with all the dumb studio groomed teen pop like The Spice Girls and Britney Spears.

I always felt the early 90's were VERY MISLEADING about how the rest of the decade would turn out.  So those of you who think the 2000's are going to be a kick a$$ decade because of all that's happened in the early 00's, remember it's still just April of 2003.  

Always remember how misleading the early 1990's were, and how an entire generation was fooled into thinking we would live in interesting times, but instead got the most boring and uneventful decade of the 20th century.   :(

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Helpinghand on 04/30/03 at 01:27 p.m.

I think this too..the early 90s though seemed to be at the end of a culture shock thst started in the late 80s..and it was just as I was starting h.s. That's why it can be debated whether or not I am a "child of the 80s". I guess when I think about it..now at age 26..I consider myself a child of the late 80s/early90s. I dunno..everyone has their own opinions on that. The Soviet Union ended and the communist threat/nuclear threat ended right as I started h.s. Very odd..and the events of 90-93 did make it seem like it would last..but it did last as long as it did. I can say that the Berlin wall fall was my generation as much as the LA Riots and as much as Conain's suicide..this all happened in a span of only 5 years..ages 12-17 for me.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Fernando on 04/30/03 at 03:38 p.m.

Quoting:
I think this too..the early 90s though seemed to be at the end of a culture shock thst started in the late 80s..and it was just as I was starting h.s. That's why it can be debated whether or not I am a "child of the 80s". I guess when I think about it..now at age 26..I consider myself a child of the late 80s/early90s. I dunno..everyone has their own opinions on that. The Soviet Union ended and the communist threat/nuclear threat ended right as I started h.s. Very odd..and the events of 90-93 did make it seem like it would last..but it did last as long as it did. I can say that the Berlin wall fall was my generation as much as the LA Riots and as much as Conain's suicide..this all happened in a span of only 5 years..ages 12-17 for me.
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It was an amazing time that's for sure.  In so many different ways.  The changes in world politics.  The changes in music and fashion.  For the sake of this discussion, I consider 1989 to be part of the early 90s, just because the events that happened that year felt more early 90ish then really part of the true 80s.  But then somtime in mid 1993 or late 1993, maybey early 1994 if you want to be really liberal, things seemed to make an unexpected turn.  It definately took a turn for the worse after Kurt Cobain's suicide and the O.J. murders occured in '94.  I felt that grunge got overplayed.  Sure Nirvana was unbelievably cool when they first came on the scene in 1991, but did every band from that time have to be a Nirvana/Pearl Jam ripoff?  That got old quick.  And in terms of world events or politics, there was very little going on from late 1993 through early 2000.  I never liked the way the 90s turned out.

What I saw in the early 90s had me believing we were about to see an incredible time of sweeping social changes and laws.  But Bill Clinton was very dissapointing, a man consumed by his sexual appetite and not with the country.  Clinton did not wind up being the man he looked like in the early 90s.  At that time he came across as a man that would make historical changes in the American social structure.  I remember thinkng that the arrival of the grunge bands into the mainstream was just the beginning of great pop culture, not the end of it.  The rest of the 90s just never matched up to the way it seemed to be going in the early 90s.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: bbbb on 04/30/03 at 04:42 p.m.


Quoting:
the L.A. Riots
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Hey!  :D Those began 11 years ago today! I know, because they happened in Los Angeles, and I live near L.A. (well I did at the time, but still..) And school was cancelled the next day (I remember, cuz i was in 6th grade at the time--still elementary for me)

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: 1992thousand on 04/30/03 at 06:56 p.m.

i feel sorry you think everything cool about the 90s stopped happening after 1993, cause you missed some pretty cool stuff.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Fernando on 04/30/03 at 09:36 p.m.

Ohhhh, that's how you saw it.  Yikes. *cringes with embarrasment*  :-/  I didn't mean that post to come across that way at all. I meant something totally different.  I was talking about the social changes that never happened in the 90s and what a dissapointment Bill Clinton was to me.  Change was in the air and it never happened. Clinton was just a sleazebag that never lived up to what he promoted in 1992.  The music went down the drain too.  The 90s were boring and never lived up to the promise it showed.  

Ahh, forget it, I don't want to explain any further what I meant.  I don't think you'll understand.  I probably shouldn't have wrote that sentence you quoted me on, that gave a wrong impression on my post.  Just pretend like this never happened and forget this.  I'm pretty embarrassed that it came across in that way.   :-[  

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Race_Bannon on 05/01/03 at 12:35 a.m.

I think what Fernando was implying was that the early 90s was a time for a lot of hope and a real feeling that the world was going to be a better place.  The latter half of the decade was eventfull, yes.  But also a very big let down.  I believe he was alluding to the 2000's could very well be the same way for those that think it may be great now.  I certainly, nor do many I believe have that similar feeling of hope now than we did then.
I do want to point out to Fernando and all that perhaps this decade may have a good 1/2 and a bad one, but we are eating the broccoli 1st and saving our our favorite entree for last. :)

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: HurrMark on 05/01/03 at 05:59 p.m.


Quoting:
I think what Fernando was implying was that the early 90s was a time for a lot of hope and a real feeling that the world was going to be a better place.  The latter half of the decade was eventfull, yes.  But also a very big let down.  I believe he was alluding to the 2000's could very well be the same way for those that think it may be great now.  I certainly, nor do many I believe have that similar feeling of hope now than we did then.
I do want to point out to Fernando and all that perhaps this decade may have a good 1/2 and a bad one, but we are eating the broccoli 1st and saving our our favorite entree for last. :)
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Well, there was hope in terms of the fact that the threat of nuclear war was not as great (although with the emergence of rogue nations, there were still issues with that). But the early 90s, at least in terms of my vantage point, were very angsty. You had the recession, which hit my family rather hard. Crime was peaking and culture was fragmenting. It seemed 1995 into 1996 was a turning point in my opinion...seemed that the mood of the country started to change a bit...crime went down...and the economy soared. Comparing 1992 to 1998 was pretty much comparing night and day.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Tv on 05/03/03 at 12:41 a.m.

Was the early 90's misleading? a little bit but it doesn't bother me. Whatever happens happens and thats the bottom line. The OJ murders changed everything. I don't think the 90's were boring at all it just got really awkward. I think the 00's is the most boring decade going. There's nothing good. The economy , music is really terrible, and Tv is terrible. We live in a dysfuctional pop cluture world. I just think the mid to late 90's was a cooling off period from the grunge and the early 90's stuff. I don't what to say about Tonya Harding. What did she ever do? Nothing. Her husband stabbed a rival skater of hers and thats it.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Race_Bannon on 05/03/03 at 04:07 p.m.

Tv, here is some clarification on the Tonya Harding- Nancy Kerrigan assault.

Gillooly Pleads Guilty, Says Harding Approved Plot

By Stephen Buckley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 2, 1994; Page A1



PORTLAND, Ore., Feb. 1 — Jeff Gillooly, Tonya Harding's former husband, pleaded guilty today to one count of racketeering in connection with the Jan. 6 assault on figure skater Nancy Kerrigan. Gillooly's attorney also released copies of his client's interviews with the FBI in which Gillooly said his ex-wife was deeply involved in the conspiracy to injure the skater.
At a brief hearing in Multnomah County Circuit Court, Gillooly, wearing a smart double-breasted suit, admitted his role in the plot to attack Kerrigan, who was clubbed above the right knee with a retractable baton at a practice rink in Detroit before the U.S. Olympic trials.

Gillooly, 26, agreed to a sentence of two years and a fine of $100,000 in return for his guilty plea. Under the deal, Gillooly will be exempt from any other charges, including those that may grow out of a federal investigation. He will be formally sentenced on April 1.

Shortly before Gillooly's hearing, Norman Frink, deputy chief district attorney for Multnomah County, requested that the grand jury dealing with the Kerrigan case be given more time to examine evidence and interview people about the assault.

Frink said that he was requesting the extension because of the possibility that more people will be arrested in connection with the crime.

Before Gillooly had even appeared in court, Harding issued a statement denying involvement in planning the attack and said Gillooly's accusations "are a continued practice of abusive conduct."

Harding was officially put on the roster of the Olympic figure skating team Monday, and that status remained unchanged today. The five-member panel appointed by the U.S. Figure Skating Association to investigate Harding's role in the attack met and reached no conclusions in determining if Harding should face a disciplinary hearing. It announced it will report its findings as early as Saturday.

In the accounts of Gillooly's interview with the FBI, he told agents that on Dec. 28 Harding approved a final plan to assault Kerrigan.

Harding picked him up after a meeting with Shawn Eckardt, Harding's bodyguard, and Derrick Smith. As they drove away from the meeting, in a truck, Gillooly later told FBI agents that he left the final decision up to Harding.

After Harding pressed Gillooly to make a decision, he said, "I think we should go for it," according to the FBI documents.

"Okay, let's do it," Harding allegedly replied.

Gillooly then described how Harding took a series of steps to try to pin down when and where Kerrigan practiced near her home in Stoneham, Mass. According to Gillooly, Harding called a magazine writer in Pennsylvania and learned that Kerrigan practiced at the Tony Kent Arena in South Dennis and then called the skating rink there and found when Kerrigan practiced.

Gillooly said that Harding later provided Eckardt with a magazine photo of Kerrigan, so that Shane Stant, who had been hired to execute the assault, would know whom to attack.

Gillooly alleged that after plans to assault Kerrigan in Boston fell through, Harding complained that no one appeared able "to do this thing for me."

The plan moved to the figure skating championships in Detroit, and called for Stant, a nephew of Smith's, to attack Kerrigan in her hotel room. The attacker would leave a note at the scene "so it would look like a psychotic was after the skaters."

Instead, Kerrigan was attacked as she walked off the rink after a practice session. Gillooly said that shortly afterward he received a call from Harding.

"It happened," Harding is quoted as saying.

"What happened," Gillooly said he asked.

"Nancy," Harding allegedly said.

A few moments later, Gillooly is quoted as asking, "Did they get away?"

"I don't know," Harding said, according to Gillooly.

Stant ran from the arena, smashing his way through a plexiglas door; Smith drove the getaway car. Along with Gillooly, Eckardt, Smith and Stant all have confessed to taking part in the attack.

Gillooly did not appear at a news conference held shortly after the hearing by his attorney, Ronald H. Hoevet.

During the 40-minute session, Hoevet provided a chronology of Gillooly's version of events, communicated a message to Harding from Gillooly and generally provided the media with a wide-ranging account of his three-week association with Gillooly.

He described Gillooly's initial reluctance to implicate Harding, and how he changed his mind only after seeing a 46-page account of Harding's interviews with the FBI, in which she said he had masterminded the attack on Kerrigan.

Hoevet said that after Harding's interrogation by FBI agents on Jan. 18, she insisted that she had protected Gillooly.

After seeing copies of her interview with the FBI, "Jeff finally realized she had been lying to him," Hoevet said.

Hoevet said Gillooly had also implicated her because he did not want her to go the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, later this month. The Games begin Feb. 12, but the roster can be changed as late as Feb. 21.

"He wants to make sure the truth comes out so that the USOC ... can see these facts," Hoevet said.

He later added, "It would be unconscionable if Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were on the same Olympic team in Lillehammer, Norway."

At a brief afternoon news conference, Robert Weaver, Harding's attorney, chastised Hoevet for demanding that Harding be removed from the Olympic team.

Weaver implored the USOC to "keep an open mind. ... All Tonya is asking for is a measure of fairness and jurisprudence that is represented by" the United States's criminal justice system.

Gillooly and Harding were married for 3½ years. They had resumed their relationship, but have again separated within the past two weeks.

Last week, Harding said that she learned of Gillooly's involvement only after returning to Portland after the U.S. Olympic trials in Detroit, which she won.

At his news conference, Hoevet said that authorities began to suspect Gillooly and Harding after the FBI received an anonymous tip on Jan. 6.

Hoevet said that after Harding and his client returned to Portland from Detroit, they were followed by FBI agents, who watched as the skater, Gillooly and Eckardt met "to create a cover story."

The lawyer said that agents also watched as Harding and Gillooly repeatedly drove by Eckardt's house as he was being questioned by the FBI.

An FBI spokesman declined to confirm whether agents ever followed Harding and Gillooly.

In pleading guilty to a charge of racketeering, Gillooly was admitting his part in seven criminal acts connected with the plot to injure Kerrigan.

They include destruction of evidence, unlawfully tape recording phone calls, and making false statements to law enforcement officials.

Hoevet said that Gillooly and Eckardt had burned the magazine photo of Kerrigan, as well as faxes that they had sent to each other regarding the plan to injure the skater.

Hoevet also said that Gillooly lied to law enforcement officials on Jan. 7 when he denied that he had information about the incident in Detroit.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Marian on 05/06/03 at 09:15 p.m.


Quoting:
Was the early 90's misleading? a little bit but it doesn't bother me. Whatever happens happens and thats the bottom line. The OJ murders changed everything. I don't think the 90's were boring at all it just got really awkward. I think the 00's is the most boring decade going. There's nothing good. The economy , music is really terrible, and Tv is terrible. We live in a dysfuctional pop cluture world. I just think the mid to late 90's was a cooling off period from the grunge and the early 90's stuff. I don't what to say about Tonya Harding. What did she ever do? Nothing. Her husband stabbed a rival skater of hers and thats it.
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??? ??? ???Nancy Kerrigan didn't get stabbed--she got hit with a metal rod.Monica Seles is the one who got stabbed!Cheers!

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: HurrMark on 05/06/03 at 09:19 p.m.


Quoting:
Was the early 90's misleading? a little bit but it doesn't bother me. Whatever happens happens and thats the bottom line. The OJ murders changed everything. I don't think the 90's were boring at all it just got really awkward. I think the 00's is the most boring decade going. There's nothing good. The economy , music is really terrible, and Tv is terrible. We live in a dysfuctional pop cluture world. I just think the mid to late 90's was a cooling off period from the grunge and the early 90's stuff. I don't what to say about Tonya Harding. What did she ever do? Nothing. Her husband stabbed a rival skater of hers and thats it.
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Amen, brother ;-)

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: jj65 on 05/07/03 at 01:40 p.m.

It wasn't the OJ murder that sent the 90's into a tailspin, it all started with the Cobain suicide 2 months earlier. The 90's were mortally wounded. Things were still ok up to 96, then everything just went to hell.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Marian on 05/07/03 at 01:40 p.m.

before the U.S. Olympic trials.

Gillooly, 26, agreed to a sentence of two years and a fine of $100,000 in return for his guilty plea. Under the deal, Gillooly will be exempt from any other charges, including those that may grow out of a federal investigation. He will be formally sentenced on April 1.

Shortly before Gillooly's hearing, Norman Frink, deputy chief district attorney for Multnomah County, requested that the grand jury dealing with the Kerrigan case be given more time to examine evidence and interview people about the assault.

Frink said that he was requesting the extension because of the possibility that more people will be arrested in connection with the crime.

Before Gillooly had even appeared in court, Harding issued a statement denying involvement in planning the attack and said Gillooly's accusations "are a continued practice of abusive conduct."

Harding was officially put on the roster of the Olympic figure skating team Monday, and that status remained unchanged today. The five-member panel appointed by the U.S. Figure Skating Association to investigate Harding's role in the attack met and reached no conclusions in determining if Harding should face a disciplinary hearing. It announced it will report its findings as early as Saturday.

In the accounts of Gillooly's interview with the FBI, he told agents that on Dec. 28 Harding approved a final plan to assault Kerrigan.

Harding picked him up after a meeting with Shawn Eckardt, Harding's bodyguard, and Derrick Smith. As they drove away from the meeting, in a truck, Gillooly later told FBI agents that he left the final decision up to Harding.

After Harding pressed Gillooly to make a decision, he said, "I think we should go for it," according to the FBI documents.

"Okay, let's do it," Harding allegedly replied.

Gillooly then described how Harding took a series of steps to try to pin down when and where Kerrigan practiced near her home in Stoneham, Mass. According to Gillooly, Harding called a magazine writer in Pennsylvania and learned that Kerrigan practiced at the Tony Kent Arena in South Dennis and then called the skating rink there and found when Kerrigan practiced.

Gillooly said that Harding later provided Eckardt with a magazine photo of Kerrigan, so that Shane Stant, who had been hired to execute the assault, would know whom to attack.

Gillooly alleged that after plans to assault Kerrigan in Boston fell through, Harding complained that no one appeared able "to do this thing for me."

The plan moved to the figure skating championships in Detroit, and called for Stant, a nephew of Smith's, to attack Kerrigan in her hotel room. The attacker would leave a note at the scene "so it would look like a psychotic was after the skaters."

Instead, Kerrigan was attacked as she walked off the rink after a practice session. Gillooly said that shortly afterward he received a call from Harding.

"It happened," Harding is quoted as saying.

"What happened," Gillooly said he asked.

"Nancy," Harding allegedly said.

A few moments later, Gillooly is quoted as asking, "Did they get away?"

"I don't know," Harding said, according to Gillooly.

Stant ran from the arena, smashing his way through a plexiglas door; Smith drove the getaway car. Along with Gillooly, Eckardt, Smith and Stant all have confessed to taking part in the attack.

Gillooly did not appear at a news conference held shortly after the hearing by his attorney, Ronald H. Hoevet.

During the 40-minute session, Hoevet provided a chronology of Gillooly's version of events, communicated a message to Harding from Gillooly and generally provided the media with a wide-ranging account of his three-week association with Gillooly.

He described Gillooly's initial reluctance to implicate Harding, and how he changed his mind only after seeing a 46-page account of Harding's interviews with the FBI, in which she said he had masterminded the attack on Kerrigan.

Hoevet said that after Harding's interrogation by FBI agents on Jan. 18, she insisted that she had protected Gillooly.

After seeing copies of her interview with the FBI, "Jeff finally realized she had been lying to him," Hoevet said.

Hoevet said Gillooly had also implicated her because he did not want her to go the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, later this month. The Games begin Feb. 12, but the roster can be changed as late as Feb. 21.

"He wants to make sure the truth comes out so that the USOC ... can see these facts," Hoevet said.

He later added, "It would be unconscionable if Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were on the same Olympic team in Lillehammer, Norway."

At a brief afternoon news conference, Robert Weaver, Harding's attorney, chastised Hoevet for demanding that Harding be removed from the Olympic team.

Weaver implored the USOC to "keep an open mind. ... All Tonya is asking for is a measure of fairness and jurisprudence that is represented by" the United States's criminal justice system.

Gillooly and Harding were married for 3½ years. They had resumed their relationship, but have again separated within the past two weeks.

Last week, Harding said that she learned of Gillooly's involvement only after returning to Portland after the U.S. Olympic trials in Detroit, which she won.

At his news conference, Hoevet said that authorities began to suspect Gillooly and Harding after the FBI received an anonymous tip on Jan. 6.

Hoevet said that after Harding and his client returned to Portland from Detroit, they were followed by FBI agents, who watched as the skater, Gillooly and Eckardt met "to create a cover story."

The lawyer said that agents also watched as Harding and Gillooly repeatedly drove by Eckardt's house as he was being questioned by the FBI.

An FBI spokesman declined to confirm whether agents ever followed Harding and Gillooly.

In pleading guilty to a charge of racketeering, Gillooly was admitting his part in seven criminal acts connected with the plot to injure Kerrigan.

They include destruction of evidence, unlawfully tape recording phone calls, and making false statements to law enforcement officials.

Hoevet said that Gillooly and Eckardt had burned the magazine photo of Kerrigan, as well as faxes that they had sent to each other regarding the plan to injure the skater.

Hoevet also said that Gillooly lied to law enforcement officials on Jan. 7 when he denied that he had information about the incident in Detroit.

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:P :P :Pan interesting tidbit for those too young to remember--Michelle Kwan was the alternate,and would havw competed if harding were kicked off the team.The competition itself was actually pretty exciting,but all in all I prefer the '92 Olympics where Paul Wylie competed(he won the silver).Cheers! ;D ;D

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: The Skuz on 05/10/03 at 09:30 a.m.

Every decade seems misleading in the beginning, but if you think NOTHING happend, you're seriously mistaken. Mohammed Farah Aidid a friend of Osama Bin Laden from Somalia stirred up his holy war and exacerbated the famine which was plaguing the country, but insteas of using the troops former President Bush sent there to wipe his thugs out, he pulled them out, twice. People foolishly blame him for sending them there in the first place. The World Trade Center was bombed by islamic fanatics using a rented Ryder Truck, but unlike 9/11 eight years later, they survived that attack. Serbia was continuing it's genocide against non-Serbs in the Balkans, and Clinton waited too long to step in to defend them. He was also foolish to trust Slobodan Milosevic not to continue his genocide against ethnic-Albanian Kosovars. Right-wing fanatics blew up a government buliding in Oklahoma City, committing what was then the worst terrorists attack on U.S. soil until 9/11. Many people mistakenly believed it was the FIRST terrorist attack on U.S. Soil. Other Right-wing militia groups carried out Waco-stylke sieges, hoping to form new nations. The Kurds rose up in 1996 agaisnt Iraq, and Clinton pulled a Bay of Pigs move on them. Oh, did I mention that three years earlier, Clinton tried to attack Iraq for plotting to kill former President Bush, and also for trying to invade Kuwait again? Well, I should have. Red China threatened to conquer Taiwan if they elect an independent-minded leader and he sent the Navy to stop them. Osama's thugs struck again in France & Algeria(1994-1995), Saudi Arabia(1995 & 1996), Kenya and Tanzania(1998), and Clinton retaliated for it by attacking Afghanistan & Sudan, but fools thought he was just fabricating these attacks to divert attention from his sexual misconduct. In 1999 he finally took action to defend the Kosovars from Serbia, and was again falsely accused of diverting attention from his sexual misconduct. Finally in 2000, Osama's thugs tried to strike the West Coast on New Year's Eve, and succeeded in striking the U.S.S. Cole, but while both Democrats and Republicans accused each other of staging the incident to win the 2000 election, Clinton responded the way he usually did--work with local authorities to hunt down a few members of those terrorist cells and arrest them...and do nothing else afterwards.



Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: jj65 on 05/10/03 at 09:46 a.m.

maybe the early 00's are a little misleading, the early part of the decade are a mixture of boredom (music, movies, tv reality shows) and tragedy (9/11, war on Iraq, Bush steals presidency) seems like the 00's are shaping up to be a crappy decade, but maybe 2005-2010 will be great.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: REDSOXFAN1 on 07/22/03 at 12:39 a.m.

Quoting:
maybe the early 00's are a little misleading, the early part of the decade are a mixture of boredom (music, movies, tv reality shows) and tragedy (9/11, war on Iraq, Bush steals presidency) seems like the 00's are shaping up to be a crappy decade, but maybe 2005-2010 will be great.
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Now that 2003 is almost half over..we are only a year or so away from the half way point of the decade..and so far..while I wouldn't describe it as BORING, it has been depressing..much more so than any point in the 80s or 90s. This millenium so far..has been so dreary. The 90s trully ended in 2001. While it doesn't look like there is much hope on the surface, I just feel some chanegd brewing..in people's attitudes..their ideas. Pop culture and world events are almost to a "bottoming out" point..I mean..it can't get much worse..so the only place to go is up. But I sense some major, major changes coming in the mid decade..will be very memorable and eventful, and may or may not be positive. Hard to say, but I think big changes are on the way, one way or another.

It is sad to say though..that the mid-late 90s..were wonderful compared to today..I never thought I'd say that when I was pining for the 80s and early 90s!

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: Bobby on 07/22/03 at 03:52 p.m.

I think Princess Diana's death in 1997 shook up Britain's world.

Subject: Re: Didn't the Early 1990's seem rather Misleading

Written By: dotzaq on 07/23/03 at 07:29 a.m.

our mathsmatic teacher always said anything in this world has its own logic even those things seems to be misleading they have their own logic too. i agree with him what about u ::) :)
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