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Subject: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/05/04 at 11:29 am

Well,I thought of bringing back this topic from last year cause I know that Bobby enjoys wrestling and all the crappy gimmicks that have been seen on RAW and Smackdown lately. Mordecai,John Layfield,Bikini Contests,etc...I don't know what's going on with Vince but WWF is getting to be a borefest once again.The ratings seem to tumble more and no one's tuning in! I think Great American Bash should be called Great American Trash! >:( :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/05/04 at 3:33 pm


Well,I thought of bringing back this topic from last year cause I know that Bobby enjoys wrestling and all the crappy gimmicks that have been seen on RAW and Smackdown lately. Mordecai,John Layfield,Bikini Contests,etc...I don't know what's going on with Vince but WWF is getting to be a borefest once again.The ratings seem to tumble more and no one's tuning in! I think Great American Bash should be called Great American Trash! >:( :P


Oh Gosh, Howard. That is very considerate of you. I'm not too sure how many people will be tuning into this thread but if there is anything you folks want to know then I will be glad to answer your questions (if I can  ;)).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/05/04 at 3:53 pm

And whatever Bobby dont' know I'm sure I will


Pro wrestling whether it's WWE or TNA needs to worry about entertaining PRO WRESTLING FANS, not about entertaining Bubba and his horny buddies. Quit having John Cena where his hat backwards and try and act black and start showing more Beniot Vs Jericho matches.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/05/04 at 5:39 pm


And whatever Bobby dont' know I'm sure I will

Pro wrestling whether it's WWE or TNA needs to worry about entertaining PRO WRESTLING FANS, not about entertaining Bubba and his horny buddies. Quit having John Cena where his hat backwards and try and act black and start showing more Beniot Vs Jericho matches.


This is where the WWE's problem lies. They are trying to entertain the masses that don't really like wrestling. I appreciate they are making a whole stash of money but these people will long get bored of the whole thing and move on.

One annoyance I have with the WWE is the ambiguity of it's proposed audience in general. In the mid 80s, the whole thing was family entertainment, kids bought merchandise and made the WWE a packet. That's fine but now it's releasing a more darker product, probably aimed at the teen audience and it's not even satisfying them! The thirst for blood requires wrestlers to blade on an almost  match-by-match basis (HHH, Shawn Michaels and even Eddie Guerrerro recently at Judgement Day). It seems that the WWE think 'let's make these guys cut themselves and then it will be entertaining for the masses - hmmm!) They show women in skimpy outfits promising to undress themselves (Remember Debra - She was teasing people the crowd all the time with her 'show them puppies' angle) and some guy at the last second (usually Jeff Jarrett) would interrupt all the time.

The bottom line is the WWE should stop cheating every factor of the wrestling audience.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/05/04 at 10:32 pm

If I didn't know any better I'd say you Bobby were my clone. I couldn't of put it any better.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/06/04 at 9:44 am


If I didn't know any better I'd say you Bobby were my clone. I couldn't of put it any better.


Heh heh. I'm just repeating the angst that almost every true wrestling fan has while watching the WWE and now defunct WCW. I just started watching wrestling NWA-TNA on TWC and I am concerned that it is heading in the same way WCW did - In fact, there are a few similarities it's quite uncanny (Mike Tenay announcing, Jeff Jarrett's control over the federation etc). I may be behind on things but there was a big build-up to a Jeff Jarrett/AJ Styles match for a P-P-V but it was executed so ridiculously, that I was put off the match (Jeff Jarrett unconvincingly storming into a radio show and beating up a disc-jockey and millions of interviews from wrestlers that are hardly involved in the match took place in strange surroundings . . .) With a bit more thought, subtlety and a sense of adventure, this match could have been booked to an explosive conclusion.

I have started to get into the Japanese wrestling (especially NOAH and New Japan). These guys do wrestling in a big way - the intensity is incredible and it looks like they put the wrestling before pandering to the crowd.  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/06/04 at 2:37 pm

Well,wrestling was better 10 years ago in the early 90's when you had the cool gimmicks but now you have Mordecai,A guy who prays to a sickle and makes crappy speeches,John Layfield,A Ted Dibiase wannabe who always talks trash & who always thinks he's better than everyone,Chavo Classic,A guy who so old,he's way past his prime,Bikini Matches should be done away with,I think WWF should start putting black bars over the girls who now wear shorter outfits.  >:( What do you think?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/06/04 at 2:40 pm




Oh Gosh, Howard. That is very considerate of you. I'm not too sure how many people will be tuning into this thread but if there is anything you folks want to know then I will be glad to answer your questions (if I can  ;)).


Oh you're welcome.You are the MAN! ;)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/06/04 at 6:26 pm


Well,wrestling was better 10 years ago in the early 90's when you had the cool gimmicks but now you have Mordecai,A guy who prays to a sickle and makes crappy speeches,John Layfield,A Ted Dibiase wannabe who always talks trash & who always thinks he's better than everyone,Chavo Classic,A guy who so old,he's way past his prime,Bikini Matches should be done away with,I think WWF should start putting black bars over the girls who now wear shorter outfits.  >:( What do you think?


Heh heh. When you put it like that, Howard. It makes more sense. As far as I am concerned, all these wrestlers have the potential to be good. However, the WWE choose not to make them good (I admit, I think Bradshaw had a great strap match against Savio Vega about 7 years or so ago). The WWE are looking for creative shortcuts with wrestlers who aren't actors or have little acting potential so why waste time making a wrestler act different when he should stay his own identity or an identity he is comfortable with?

IMO, the bikini matches were there to snare the lowest common denominator to the P-P-Vs. There was only two accounts, in my recollection, of women displaying nudity in WWF/E P-P-Vs. One was Miss 'The Kat' Kitty around 1999 in a swimming pool evening gown match at Armageddon and the other was Mae Young in a horrible scene at Royal Rumble 2000. When a woman, old enough to be your great grandma, is flashing her wares to rake the punters in, what hope have you got?

I don't think black bars should be put across women to 'protect' the viewing public (apart from Mae Young) because the public don't need protecting. Turning the channel over is their protection but censorship is a different topic altogether. I have no problem with nudity if it suits the angle. What I have a problem with is when the promotion promises to show you something P-P-V after P-P-V and never delivers it (the manager of Jeff Jarrett, Debra rings a bell and anyone remember that pathetic HLA (Hot Lesbian Action) angle featuring Eric Bischoff? What a joke!). What's the point?

My problem with the likes of Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and Bradshaw is that they have risen too far above their station IMO. Despite being good wrestlers, I think these guys are only worthy of getting the mid titles or the tag titles - some wrestlers aren't suited to certain titles and some shouldn't have them at all. It doesn't mean they are bad, it means that some wrestlers should not be allowed to hold major titles to show how difficult winning one is. Jake Roberts never held a title once but he wasn't the kind of person that needed one to get himself across and Mr Perfect, 'Ravashing' Rick Rude or Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat never won the WWF World title. All of them were better and had more fan appeal than any of the title holders and main eventers today. Ricky Steamboat Vs 'Machoman' Randy Savage at Wrestlemania 3 was of incredible WWF World title match quality and they were only fighting for the Intercontinental title!

Mordecai . . . Well what I've seen of him so far, he has talent. I've seen him tackle Scotty Too Hotty at Judgement Day. He's just a prime example of good wrestler, crap gimmick though I think a feud with him and The Undertaker would be interesting perhaps (more interesting than a pointless Undertaker Vs Booker T booking) and would raise his gimmick credibility level a little.

Thanks for reading such a long post.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/06/04 at 6:29 pm


Oh you're welcome.You are the MAN! ;)


You little flatterer you.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/06/04 at 11:35 pm

Bobby - I'm going to have to disagree with you on the nudity is ok if statement. In my opinion because I started watching pro wrestling when I was 3 and because I knew a really old guy that used to watch pro wrestling before he died, is that pro wrestling should be enjoyable for everyone at every age. You put in nudity then you take away the younger crowd, and Grandpappy isn't thrilled about it like he was 50 years ago.

Howard  - The bar... no I think they should do away with crap like that altogether. Get girls that know what they're doing. No how to manage know how to do things they should be doing. Girls that know something about wrestling. I'm not saying they have to be ugly, or dress in parkas. I'll I'm saying is that they should be able to take bumps, or talk on the microphone, or be annoying the way a good woman in the WWE used to be.  I'd take Sunny, Sherri, Molly, Sapphire, Chyna, Ivory, Trish(not all the time but of late) over Sable, Torrie Wilson, and Stacey Keibler anyday of the week.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/07/04 at 5:12 am


Bobby - I'm going to have to disagree with you on the nudity is ok if statement. In my opinion because I started watching pro wrestling when I was 3 and because I knew a really old guy that used to watch pro wrestling before he died, is that pro wrestling should be enjoyable for everyone at every age. You put in nudity then you take away the younger crowd, and Grandpappy isn't thrilled about it like he was 50 years ago.


I understand where you are coming from, Harmonica. My favourite era of the federation was the Wrestlemanias 3 - 8 and actually preferred it when it was 'family orientated'. My main message regarding the nudity thing is if the WWE don't have the guts to show nudity in their P-P-Vs then they shouldn't bother with the whole idea in the first place. If they do show nudity, then at least they are fulfilling their promises to the lowest common denominator. Though why they should I don't know. These guys that come to WWE P-P-Vs looking for a female piece of flesh is an expensive way of getting yourself aroused.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 06/07/04 at 9:49 am

I'm actually happy that people like Benoit and Guerrero are getting the belts. Think of how many times people have held the belt with less wrestling skill (Hogan, Warrior, for example). It's about time some of the more technically sound people are holding them. Granted, it's not like it hasn't happened before, given the likes of Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, and some others, but it's nice that some of the mid-carders that CAN wrestle circles around people in the top slots are being elevated into them. I think the WWE did a great job in recruiting Angle, given all the work he does in introducing other technically sound people (Haas and Benjamin, for instance) into the ring.

I'm not knocking the less technically sound wrestlers, of course. I'm was a huge fan of both Hogan and the Warrior in their days, and I'm a fan of a various people nowadays that have the personality to shine despite having less wrestling skill...

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: LyricBoy on 06/07/04 at 11:20 am

Get rid of the bikini matches and bring back...

Cream corn wrestling !

;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/07/04 at 6:38 pm


I'm actually happy that people like Benoit and Guerrero are getting the belts. Think of how many times people have held the belt with less wrestling skill (Hogan, Warrior, for example). It's about time some of the more technically sound people are holding them. Granted, it's not like it hasn't happened before, given the likes of Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, and some others, but it's nice that some of the mid-carders that CAN wrestle circles around people in the top slots are being elevated into them. I think the WWE did a great job in recruiting Angle, given all the work he does in introducing other technically sound people (Haas and Benjamin, for instance) into the ring.

I'm not knocking the less technically sound wrestlers, of course. I'm was a huge fan of both Hogan and the Warrior in their days, and I'm a fan of a various people nowadays that have the personality to shine despite having less wrestling skill...

Kryllith


I appreciate your point of view.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/07/04 at 8:04 pm

bikini matches shouldn't be there in the first place.We want women who can wrestle and not display their boobage and butt to the horny guys.Whatever happened to those days where women's wrestling was fun?  >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/07/04 at 8:07 pm


Get rid of the bikini matches and bring back...

Cream corn wrestling !

;D



Ok,they did pudding,whipped cream,jello,water,chocolate,mud matches,what else is there? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/07/04 at 8:12 pm


bikini matches shouldn't be there in the first place.We want women who can wrestle and not display their boobage and butt to the horny guys.Whatever happened to those days where women's wrestling was fun?  >:(


Women's wrestling was never fun in the WWF, Howard because the WWF didn't develop it. They never knew what to do with the concept of women's wrestling which explained the lengthy WWF women's title reign of The Fabulous Moolah. I will say that the women's match at Survivor Series 1st Annual was fun though. Wow! Those Jumping Bomb Angels! :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/07/04 at 8:27 pm




Women's wrestling was never fun in the WWF, Howard because the WWF didn't develop it. They never knew what to do with the concept of women's wrestling which explained the lengthy WWF women's title reign of The Fabulous Moolah. I will say that the women's match at Survivor Series 1st Annual was fun though. Wow! Those Jumping Bomb Angels! :)



women's wrestling are just breasts and butts. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/08/04 at 2:45 pm

When Wendi Richter was around women's wrestling was awesome. And with Ivory, Molly Holly, and as of late Trish womens wrestling is good today. It's just that with other women like Stacey Keibler and Torri Wilson they make bad images for the real lady wrestlers. And I'm not saying that they should all wrestle. But those who dont' need to do more than just stand around and look good.

This WWE diva contest they're holding is a joke and a complete insult to any woman that ever worked her way to the top of the wrestling business. Most of the girls in the contest aren't in it because they are fans of  pro wrestling with a little dream of becoming a WWE superstar. Most are in it because they are sexy and want to be famous.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/08/04 at 5:07 pm


When Wendi Richter was around women's wrestling was awesome. And with Ivory, Molly Holly, and as of late Trish womens wrestling is good today. It's just that with other women like Stacey Keibler and Torri Wilson they make bad images for the real lady wrestlers. And I'm not saying that they should all wrestle. But those who dont' need to do more than just stand around and look good.

This WWE diva contest they're holding is a joke and a complete insult to any woman that ever worked her way to the top of the wrestling business. Most of the girls in the contest aren't in it because they are fans of  pro wrestling with a little dream of becoming a WWE superstar. Most are in it because they are sexy and want to be famous.





I think that if they'd spice up the women's wrestling in a 15 foot high steel cage,then I'd watch! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/09/04 at 5:08 am


When Wendi Richter was around women's wrestling was awesome. And with Ivory, Molly Holly, and as of late Trish womens wrestling is good today. It's just that with other women like Stacey Keibler and Torri Wilson they make bad images for the real lady wrestlers. And I'm not saying that they should all wrestle. But those who dont' need to do more than just stand around and look good.


Women's wrestling matches are, in Vince's eyes, merely there as time-fillers. How many times have we seen four women wrestle for the women's title only for the whole thing to last about five minutes! A four way dance for the title lasting five minutes? Talk about being robbed. If you are a SKY/Cable owner, try and watch GAIA Women's wrestling on TWC - I heartily recommend it.  ;)

Talking on a strictly P-P-V level (when the quality should be raised) I only saw Wendi Richter once (Wrestlemania 1 against Leilani Kai - she wrestled ten years later at Wrestlemania 10 against Alundra Blayze) and, to be honest, the match got the buzz because Cyndi Lauper was guest managing at the time. Around the same time, I saw Fabulous Moolah beat Velvet McEntyre within a minute and in 1989, saw a boring match between Rockin' Robin (Jake Robert's sister) and Judy Martin (one half of The Glamour Girls with Leilani Kai).  Yes, the golden age of women's wrestling . . .  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/09/04 at 9:11 am

well I saw Richter perform a couple of times and she could wrestle.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/09/04 at 5:40 pm

I wish I saw more matches with Richter in it because she had a certain amount of charisma. Leilani Kai unfortunately did not.

I think there should be women's wrestling, and I'm not doubting Richter can wrestle (only ever seen her wrestle once), but I think if women's wrestling is to maintain an interest then the WWE should treat it more seriously (which is difficult as they can't seem to treat the male equivalent seriously either).

If you have Sky or Cable I honestly recommend you watch GAIA women's wrestling on The Wrestling Channel.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/09/04 at 6:53 pm

I miss the days when the heel wrestler would always tease the good guy's wife like when Rick Rude was shaking his ass to Jake Roberts's wife 15 years ago.You don't see those anymore. :(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/09/04 at 6:56 pm


I wish I saw more matches with Richter in it because she had a certain amount of charisma. Leilani Kai unfortunately did not.

I think there should be women's wrestling, and I'm not doubting Richter can wrestle (only ever seen her wrestle once), but I think if women's wrestling is to maintain an interest then the WWE should treat it more seriously (which is difficult as they can't seem to treat the male equivalent seriously either).

If you have Sky or Cable I honestly recommend you watch GAIA women's wrestling on The Wrestling Channel.



Women should have more hardcore matches like barbed wire,electric ropes,cage and strap matches..Plus,they should bleed heavily! Why can't Vince wake up and stop treating the girls like Barbie Dolls,porn actresses and a Victoria Secret gal?  >:(

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: LyricBoy on 06/09/04 at 9:21 pm





Ok,they did pudding,whipped cream,jello,water,chocolate,mud matches,what else is there? ;D



Howard


Howard,

You forgot the event that started t all: Spaghetti wrestling.  :P :P


LB

;D ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/10/04 at 5:21 pm


I miss the days when the heel wrestler would always tease the good guy's wife like when Rick Rude was shaking his a** to Jake Roberts's wife 15 years ago.You don't see those anymore. :(


Well . . . The heels wouldn't always tease the good guys wife. 'Ravashing' Rick Rude was always the trend setter in the WWF. Oddly enough, Jake Roberts attempted the same thing on Machoman's wife, Elizabeth at their wedding at Summerslam 1991. He placed a snake in one of their wedding presents (why Jake Roberts targetted them I don't know - anybody have any ideas?).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/10/04 at 5:24 pm


Women should have more hardcore matches like barbed wire,electric ropes,cage and strap matches..Plus,they should bleed heavily! Why can't Vince wake up and stop treating the girls like Barbie Dolls,porn actresses and a Victoria Secret gal?  >:(


Vince woke up to the idea a few years ago that sex sells. If these women were battered up and juicing every match then the crowd would not be interested in them as sex objects (would you be?). There has been progress, I think Lita entered her first cage match a few months back.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/10/04 at 6:39 pm




Howard,

You forgot the event that started t all: Spaghetti wrestling.   :P :P


LB

;D ;D



Spaghetti with Meatballs,Kentucky Fried Chicken,Pizza OR acid rain match either one they'll all be in the pool! ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/10/04 at 6:41 pm




Well . . . The heels wouldn't always tease the good guys wife. 'Ravashing' Rick Rude was always the trend setter in the WWF. Oddly enough, Jake Roberts attempted the same thing on Machoman's wife, Elizabeth at their wedding at Summerslam 1991. He placed a snake in one of their wedding presents (why Jake Roberts targetted them I don't know - anybody have any ideas?).


Maybe they needed a feud to sell to the audience and they picked Jake Roberts vs.Randy Savage. Do you remember when Randy Savage was bitten by Jake's snake 12 years ago? I have that on tape. ;D 


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/10/04 at 6:42 pm




Vince woke up to the idea a few years ago that sex sells. If these women were battered up and juicing every match then the crowd would not be interested in them as sex objects (would you be?). There has been progress, I think Lita entered her first cage match a few months back.



I don't think sex should sell anymore,have any ideas? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/10/04 at 6:47 pm


Maybe they needed a feud to sell to the audience and they picked Jake Roberts vs.Randy Savage. Do you remember when Randy Savage was bitten by Jake's snake 12 years ago? I have that on tape. ;D 


I've said it before Howard. That was probably one of the best pieces of wrestling drama ever.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/10/04 at 6:50 pm




I've said it before Howard. That was probably one of the best pieces of wrestling drama ever.


Remember when Vince was going crazy and so did Roddy Piper when he tried to shoo away Jake Roberts and his venomous python?
& That was probably the worst act that Elizabeth put on.  ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/11/04 at 4:10 am


Remember when Vince was going crazy and so did Roddy Piper when he tried to shoo away Jake Roberts and his venomous python?
& That was probably the worst act that Elizabeth put on.  ;D


I think I just remembered her screaming a lot.  ;D

I think they tried to help Savage on the stretcher at one point and he fell off.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/11/04 at 6:50 pm




I think I just remembered her screaming a lot.  ;D

I think they tried to Savage on the stretcher at one point and he fell off.



He did fall off and Piper helped him back up. I remember when all the kids were crying and Vince was yelling something,I forgot. ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/13/04 at 4:18 pm

What was your favourite Wrestlemania of all time, Howard - and why?  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/14/04 at 7:53 pm

What was your favourite Wrestlemania of all time, Howard - and why?


I don't know.I would have to say Wrestlemania 6 with Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior in the main event. :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/14/04 at 8:08 pm


What was your favourite Wrestlemania of all time, Howard - and why?
I don't know.I would have to say Wrestlemania 6 with Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior in the main event. :)


You seem to have looked at my avatar for inspiration, Howard. Wrestlemania 6, in my eyes, was a one match event. Everything before that was just filling time, waiting for the main event to get under way. There were too many matches for a start and not much plot development.

Still, the match at the end beats any main event since, IMO.  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/14/04 at 8:26 pm

Would you believe Undertaker will be in the WWF 15 years already? That's longer than Hulk Hogan's length of stay. :o


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/14/04 at 8:32 pm

Yeah. The Undertaker - When he was in WCW as 'Mean' Mark Callous, he just looked like an awkward wrestler trying to get his foot in the door. Who would have guessed he would become 'The Phenom'.

I think his 'Bad-ass' persona tarnished his image considerably. It made no sense whatsover to have The Undertaker looking like that (maybe keep the bike but dress it up like a hearse or coffin or something). He has crowds with amnesia to thank for that escape.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/15/04 at 4:20 pm


Yeah. The Undertaker - When he was in WCW as 'Mean' Mark Callous, he just looked like an awkward wrestler trying to get his foot in the door. Who would have guessed he would become 'The Phenom'.

I think his 'Bad-a**' persona tarnished his image considerably. It made no sense whatsover to have The Undertaker looking like that (maybe keep the bike but dress it up like a hearse or coffin or something). He has crowds with amnesia to thank for that escape.


But,question is,how long now will he able to stay? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/15/04 at 7:12 pm

Depends on who you ask Howard. You ask me Taker's got another 5 years of so left in him. But a lot of WWE fans are new fans of the attitude era and if your over 35 and can't do a huricanrana(in which they are too stupid to know that is was originaly known as the Frankensteiner) then you need to retire.

I miss the days when the older guys would beat up on the younger guys and show them all about experience and let um know that age really didn't matter that much. I'm not saying I want every guy reaching 60 to get into the ring and perform, I personally think it's Time for Flair to hang up his boots, but what I am saying is that watching Kurt Angle beat Hulk Hogan, and watching fans boo Shawn Michaels just because he's been around longer than the other wrestlers makes me sick. 

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/15/04 at 8:04 pm

I understand what you are saying Harmonica. As for Undertaker, or any wrestler in general, I think the question is how long can he continue wrestling. His back and neck are already damaged - admittedly it hasn't stopped Michaels (though he doesn't seem to bump for wrestlers anymore).

You know I taped Badd Blood the other night and it cut out the Hell in a cell match between Shawn Michaels and HHH - Don't I feel a fool.  :-\\

I don't think the P-P-V was any good. The WWE really ought to stop putting out these mediocre Raw/Smackdown P-P-Vs as they are getting depressing to watch. The WWE have the monopoly over any wrestling company at the moment and can reduce it's P-P-Vs from 12 to 6 a year (like it used to - remember when Summerslam was worth waiting for?),  make Smackdown/Raw much better by putting in the matches where these Smackdown/Raw P-P-Vs have failed and develop the feuds a bit more - It's like Christmas. Have Christmas once a month and it gets ridiculous. Once a year and it really is something to look forward to.

I know money talks but the audience won't appreciate it in the end, and then the money will run out.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 06/15/04 at 11:38 pm

The Undertaker has also had many knee problems. Which hasn't stopped Stone Cold, but then again he hasn't been good in a long time.  I think the Undertakers contract is up either this year or next so maybe that will be his time to leave.

The Undertaker has always been one of my favourites but him becoming the American Bad Ass, was one big mistake as far as I was concerned

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/16/04 at 5:21 am


The Undertaker has also had many knee problems. Which hasn't stopped Stone Cold, but then again he hasn't been good in a long time.  I think the Undertakers contract is up either this year or next so maybe that will be his time to leave.

The Undertaker has always been one of my favourites but him becoming the American Bad a**, was one big mistake as far as I was concerned


Yeah. Steve Austin's knee injuries were always giving him problems (explaining the braces on both legs) but the main reason he is not wrestling is because of his neck (I think that was caused by Owen Hart giving Steve that piledriver during Summerslam 1997 - I don't think he ever fully got over it).

Right with you on The American Bad ass thing . . .

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 06/16/04 at 7:37 am

I was annoyed at the american badass persona cause he cut off all his hair. :P Now that's he's working the darkside again, he's growing it back, but it just isn't the same without it all in is face. Ok, so I was against the badass persona for more than the hair, but that's probably the first thing I noticed when he presented it. Thankfully he ditched the eyebrow ring...

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/16/04 at 6:11 pm

Depends on who you ask Howard. You ask me Taker's got another 5 years of so left in him. But a lot of WWE fans are new fans of the attitude era and if your over 35 and can't do a huricanrana(in which they are too stupid to know that is was originaly known as the Frankensteiner) then you need to retire.



So,he'll be here until he 50's & by that time,he'd be the only surviving legend next to Ric Flair.Why isn't Flair giving it up by the way? ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/16/04 at 6:16 pm

From what I had heard the following will be leaving soon:

Rakishi-cause they said he's too fat and has been taking so much time off lately that they might give him the boot.
Bradshaw-From what comments he had made towards The Berlin people in Germany.
Scott Steiner-might be given the boot cause he too has been taking so much time off.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/16/04 at 6:37 pm


I was annoyed at the american badass persona cause he cut off all his hair. :P Now that's he's working the darkside again, he's growing it back, but it just isn't the same without it all in is face. Ok, so I was against the badass persona for more than the hair, but that's probably the first thing I noticed when he presented it. Thankfully he ditched the eyebrow ring...


What has bitten The Undertaker in the backside is the 'Sara' tattoo on his neck from a previous feud development in the WWE when he was the bad ass.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/16/04 at 6:42 pm

What has bitten The Undertaker in the backside is the 'Sara' tattoo on his neck from a previous feud development in the WWE when he was the bad a**. 


Yeah,I remember that.He was feuding with Diamond Dallas Page(The Stalker) 2 years ago.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/16/04 at 6:42 pm

Howard - Because he loves the business and loves doing what he does. Heck guys his own age are concidered ancient because they retired 2 decades ago. Guys younger than Flair have retired already. Flair is is proving to the world that an older guy still has what it takes. A lot of guys get injured, or just retire but not Flair he sticks with it and I respect him so much for that, I think it's time to hang up the boots now though, but I still have a lot of respect for him for showing those younger guys what he can do. He's a role modle for the wrestlers who are pushing that "age limit".

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/16/04 at 6:47 pm


Depends on who you ask Howard. You ask me Taker's got another 5 years of so left in him. But a lot of WWE fans are new fans of the attitude era and if your over 35 and can't do a huricanrana(in which they are too stupid to know that is was originaly known as the Frankensteiner) then you need to retire.

So,he'll be here until he 50's & by that time,he'd be the only surviving legend next to Ric Flair.Why isn't Flair giving it up by the way? ???
Howard


I remember reading somewhere that The Undertaker (Mark Calloway) was 30 around 1992/1993. If he continues wrestling for another 5 years, he will be in his late 40s for sure. I think he needs to rest in peace before then (heh heh). God knows the lengths these wrestlers are going to have to go through to keep the wrestling crowds in five years time. Wrestlers are blading a lot more than they did around 5 years ago (I think HHH has been blading regular since at least Royal Rumble 2000 and now we've got Eddie Guerrero doing it!) The WWE will probably start hosting barbed wire, exploding ring steel cage matches (japan style).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/16/04 at 6:52 pm


Howard - Because he loves the business and loves doing what he does. Heck guys his own age are concidered ancient because they retired 2 decades ago. Guys younger than Flair have retired already. Flair is is proving to the world that an older guy still has what it takes. A lot of guys get injured, or just retire but not Flair he sticks with it and I respect him so much for that, I think it's time to hang up the boots now though, but I still have a lot of respect for him for showing those younger guys what he can do. He's a role modle for the wrestlers who are pushing that "age limit".


There is not a problem with guys at 50 wrestling for the WWE (apart from if that guy is imbecile Bob Backlund who wrecked his reputation in 1993 by returning to the WWF ::)). The big problem is that the WWE is not the same place as it was 10 years ago when wrestling was less intense. If these guys are allowed to wrestle, then they should wrestle in normal style matches - unless it's Terry Funk. Forget him, he's 'middle aged and crazy', let him get on with it!  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/16/04 at 7:03 pm


From what I had heard the following will be leaving soon:

Rakishi-cause they said he's too fat and has been taking so much time off lately that they might give him the boot.
Bradshaw-From what comments he had made towards The Berlin people in Germany.
Scott Steiner-might be given the boot cause he too has been taking so much time off.


I don't think I will be sorry to see them go, Howard. I reckon the WWE get flashbacks of Rodney 'Yokozuna' Anoia when they see Rikishi with a weight problem (it's frightening when you realise that guy was a slimmer Headshrinker 'Fatu' 11 years ago!).

I'm surprised that Bradshaw could get the boot like that - it must have been a shoot response or else the WWE wouldn't react in this way. He is awful anyway and I am surprised the WWE have kept him on for as long as they have (since 1996 as Justin 'Hawk' Bradshaw I think).

Scott Stiener was great with Rick as The Steiner Brothers back in the late 80s/early 90s in WCW. I wonder how much steroids that man has put into himself to look like that? I remember Scott making his big debut with the WWE and thinking 'they have shot themselves in the foot signing this guy'.  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/17/04 at 6:46 pm

I don't think I will be sorry to see them go, Howard. I reckon the WWE get flashbacks of Rodney 'Yokozuna' Anoia when they see Rikishi with a weight problem (it's frightening when you realise that guy was a slimmer Headshrinker 'Fatu' 11 years ago!).


Rakishi was over because the fans loved his stinkface maneuver shoving his rear in opponents faces. :P
They told him to lose the weight but he didn't want to listen so he'll get the boot soon.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/17/04 at 6:59 pm


I don't think I will be sorry to see them go, Howard. I reckon the WWE get flashbacks of Rodney 'Yokozuna' Anoia when they see Rikishi with a weight problem (it's frightening when you realise that guy was a slimmer Headshrinker 'Fatu' 11 years ago!).


Rakishi was over because the fans loved his stinkface maneuver shoving his rear in opponents faces. :P
They told him to lose the weight but he didn't want to listen so he'll get the boot soon.


It says a lot about the 'fans' doesn't it? There are two types of fan. One doesn't like wrestling the other does.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 06/18/04 at 12:42 pm




I don't think I will be sorry to see them go, Howard. I reckon the WWE get flashbacks of Rodney 'Yokozuna' Anoia when they see Rikishi with a weight problem (it's frightening when you realise that guy was a slimmer Headshrinker 'Fatu' 11 years ago!).


I actually met Yokozuna and Fatu at a British wrestling event some years ago.  He was invovled in and 5 man tag team event and he took up most of the ring (Small British ring, which really is no place for a five man tag event) He was large then to say the least. When he first entered the WWF he was awesome to watch, but as he put on the weight he became very painful to see. 

Here is that picture......Guess which one is me!  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/18/04 at 5:25 pm

I'm sorry but I think silly gimmicks should be done away with.Such as guys like Mordecai,Eugene,Hurricane and Rosey & Bradshaw.What do you guys think? ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/18/04 at 5:49 pm


I actually met Yokozuna and Fatu at a British wrestling event some years ago.  He was invovled in and 5 man tag team event and he took up most of the ring (Small British ring, which really is no place for a five man tag event) He was large then to say the least. When he first entered the WWF he was awesome to watch, but as he put on the weight he became very painful to see. 

Here is that picture......Guess which one is me!  ;D


Wow! Nice one Rush.  :D

Britain has no idea how to stage a wrestling event - even the 'World of Sports' thing back in the 70/80s was far better than the rubbish we see now in Britain. The ring, as you mentioned rightly, is far too small (laughably almost - A 5 man tag match? What were the promoters dreaming on? Lol), Usually there are no crash mats for the wrestlers to fall on and no security railings (reducing the possibility of wrestlers brawling outside the ring). The wrestlers have to work harder to rally the crowd in Britain as well. We like to watch a match not yell ourselves hoarse at two unknowns who slap each other around a little. Britain pushes the hard sell on it's merchandise and selling it's pictures during intervals - I'm not sure whether it is like that in America as well . . .

I saw Jody Fleish and 'The Anarchist' Doug Williams live and they worked pretty well. Williams has now hit America (I think he has gone to ROH).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/18/04 at 5:54 pm


I'm sorry but I think silly gimmicks should be done away with.Such as guys like Mordecai,Eugene,Hurricane and Rosey & Bradshaw.What do you guys think? ???


Gimmicks when done right can be the best thing about a wrestler (The Undertaker has one of the most successful gimmicks ever). It is only the failures that get the most reaction (Doink the clown and Giant Gonzalas).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/18/04 at 6:24 pm

I just think that Eugene is a bit retarded.He's gonna fight HHH next week.Nick Dismore,I don't know what they did with him but WWF turned him into a weird character but he's a pretty decent wrestler nonetheless.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 06/18/04 at 9:54 pm


I just think that Eugene is a bit retarded.He's gonna fight HHH next week.Nick Dismore,I don't know what they did with him but WWF turned him into a weird character but he's a pretty decent wrestler nonetheless.


Howard


HHH and Stone Cold both started out somewhat gimmicky (sp?) in the WWF and they became good in the end, but there have been a lot of bad gimmicks too.  I think sometimes the WWF tries to hard to think of gimmicks and come up with the worst ideas sometimes....think of the wrestler, How many careers have they destroyed due to stupid gimmicks.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/19/04 at 9:28 am


I just think that Eugene is a bit retarded.He's gonna fight HHH next week.Nick Dismore,I don't know what they did with him but WWF turned him into a weird character but he's a pretty decent wrestler nonetheless.


Oddly enough, I am intrigued by The Eugene character. Does anybody think he bears a slight resemblance (characteristics and physical) to old WWF stalwart 'Hercules Hernandez'?

He is intriguing because he does not follow the basic heel/face scenario. He has a face disposition (with facial expressions resembling the plank wielding 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan) but is basically a follower who can get easily get into a heel situation.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/19/04 at 9:35 am


HHH and Stone Cold both started out somewhat gimmicky (sp?) in the WWF and they became good in the end, but there have been a lot of bad gimmicks too.  I think sometimes the WWF tries to hard to think of gimmicks and come up with the worst ideas sometimes....think of the wrestler, How many careers have they destroyed due to stupid gimmicks.


HHH (Hunter Heart Helmsley) was originally cast as an upper class toff. The gimmick went nowhere because the WWF couldn't develop it further and so teamed with Shawn Michaels to form D-Generation X. I found his transition to D-Generation X implausible.

Steve Austin was originally labelled 'The Ringmaster' but I don't think he had that much of a gimmick. The beer swilling thing followed later on around 1998/99. The Sandman in ECW drank beer (and smoked cigarettes) long before Steve and often came to the ring drunk. I think he did it more effectively.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/19/04 at 9:54 am

HHH (Hunter Heart Helmsley) was originally cast as an upper class toff. The gimmick went nowhere because the WWF couldn't develop it further and so teamed with Shawn Michaels to form D-Generation X. I found his transition to D-Generation X implausible.

Well,DX was a fun group.At least it went for 4 1/2 years till HHH & Shawn Michaels went separate then was left with Billy Gunn and XPac for the remainder.How did you like DX at the time? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/19/04 at 9:58 am

http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/Eugene_Disnmore.jpg


Well,he does resemble Herculez just a little. :D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/19/04 at 10:46 am


Well,DX was a fun group.At least it went for 4 1/2 years till HHH & Shawn Michaels went separate then was left with Billy Gunn and XPac for the remainder.How did you like DX at the time? ;D


Erm . . . I suppose I didn't mind them (though they reminded me of a group of people trying too hard to have fun  ;D). They kind of started around the same time the NWO started in WCW strangely enough. Once Shawn Michaels left (after Wrestlemania 14), the faction went stale.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/19/04 at 12:27 pm




Erm . . . I suppose I didn't mind them (though they reminded me of a group of people trying too hard to have fun  ;D). They kind of started around the same time the NWO started in WCW strangely enough. Once Shawn Michaels left (after Wrestlemania 14), the faction went stale.



I know.It wasn't the same without Shawn and HHH running the group together. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 06/19/04 at 2:54 pm




Once Shawn Michaels left (after Wrestlemania 14), the faction went stale.


I agree with that. The new version was the usual group of one top performer with a load of middle performers, the same as The Undertaker and the Ministry and The Rock and the Nation Of Domination.  They try to give these middle performers some respect putting them in with the likes of a top wrestler.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/19/04 at 7:20 pm

Degeneration X was stupid, uncalled for and a disgrace to pro wrestling.

Eugene really looks like The Mighty Igor. A 1970's wrestler.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/20/04 at 11:00 am


Degeneration X was stupid, uncalled for and a disgrace to pro wrestling.

Eugene really looks like The Mighty Igor. A 1970's wrestler.


Really? Hmm! He reminds me more of Hillbilly Jim, lol.

Here's a website with a pic of The Mighty Igor:

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/bios/m/mighty-igor.html

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/20/04 at 11:15 am

I was watching The Monday Night War videotape and Shawn Michaels had said that the reason he did what he did like stroking a big sausage like a penis,acting childish,pulling down his pants,wiping his nose on the American Flag,cursing,crotch chopping was because they wanted him to push the envelope a bit.numbers were down and Nitro was whooping RAW's butt in the ratings.So,that's what he did but it turned out lewd and disgusting so they dropped that gimmick.  :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/20/04 at 11:19 am

Wrestling back then was all about ratings and pushing the envelope a bit to use shock TV to surprize the audience on what are the guys gonna do next. It looks like they dropped The HLA,DX,Stone Cold's finger gesturing,etc...How do you feel about this? :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/20/04 at 12:37 pm


Wrestling back then was all about ratings and pushing the envelope a bit to use shock TV to surprize the audience on what are the guys gonna do next. It looks like they dropped The HLA,DX,Stone Cold's finger gesturing,etc...How do you feel about this? :)


Wrestling in the 80s was much different than what it is in the 90s and 00s because the demand is different. When 'Rock and Wrestling' was introduced around the mid 80s, the aim was at children. Hulk Hogan was the role model for children and in return, children would go to events and would make adults pay heavily for merchandise. Once Hogan left the WWF after Wrestlemania 8, the WWE went through a big slump (he returned for a short spell at Wrestlemania 9). There was no easy solution for Vince since Hogan left so they used Bret 'The Hitman' Hart and Shawn Michaels as ways of coaxing the fans back. The steroid scandal was being talked about at this point but it was around 1997 that the WWF felt the repercussions of it. The WWE were desperate as there didn't seem to be any quick fixes for them anymore . . .

Bret as far as I am concerned is one of the best WWF World title holders but he was no Hulk Hogan. The WWF must have realised this because they tried to use Lex Luger as an 'All American' Hulk Hogan-esque character back in 1993 and they thought they struck gold for a while as Summerslam 1993 to Royal Rumble 1994 were quite successful. Once Lex lost his fight against Yokozuna at Wrestlemania 10 (a work of his own doing it was later revealed), Lex lost the momentum and Bret continued to be the driving force of the federation. Lex was relegated to being in a tag team with The British Bulldog and he never recovered. After Wrestlemania 11, Lex headed back to WCW where it was becoming more successful. The WWE from here new they had to change the record that jumped from Wrestlemania 1 to 8!

1996 saw a man billed as The Ringmaster enter the WWF and he became famous very quickly due to a shoot he made at King of the Ring 1996 (to Jake Roberts: Austin 3:16 said I kicked your ass). Bret Hart took holiday around this time (after his loss at Wrestlemania 12 - Bret was never going to recapture his glory days) and this allowed Austin the opportunity to enter the lime-light. Austin admitted that if Hart didn't take holiday around this time, things could have been a lot different for him . Wrestlemania 13 I think was the turning point for Austin. Despite being a lacklustre Wrestlemania, no one cared about the WWF title match that night - Bret and Steve stole the show. Bret continued to have problems with Vince and Shawn and it climaxed at The Survivor Series when he lost the belt to Shawn Michaels without being consulted. Bret left straight after, Shawn kept the title until 1998 and WWF Attitude began with the formation of D-Generation X. IMO, this group was formed merely to rival WCW's New World Order who were gaining a lot of notoriety in their own organisation - and without it, HHH wouldn't be were he is today.

From here, it became apparent that the crowd demands were different. They no longer compromised of kids cheering on their heroes but a more cynical older generation who lapped up this new direction. The WWE attended to this new 'audience' and it became quite clear that the WWF was becoming a different product. The Steve Austin V Vince McMahon feud became successful as a result.

Overall, WWE evolved. IMO it didn't become better but it evolved and it had to because WCW were doing it faster than they were. WCW started off the P-P-V every month thing (because Ted Turner didn't find it difficult to squander cash on his project), the different attitude (New World Order) and the segregation of wrestlers into mini-organisations (before the Raw/Smackdown split, WCW had seperate Nitro/Thunder rostas but didn't make a big thing of it). I believe the interest in P-P-V ratings had been increased due to fall in merchandising (something WCW was hardly successful in).

Sorry for another extremely long post.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/20/04 at 10:17 pm

Nothing wrong with a long post Bobby, as long as you make your point.

You pointed out in their that the WWE gained a new audience. Well let me say that along with that new audience the outside non wrestling fans as well as some of the fans gained a new perspective on pro wrestling.

Whenever I used to tell people I was a pro wrestling fan they used to think that I liked watching the show for the manuevers, colorful antics, and the comedy of the skits. Ever since 1997 people automatically think I watch it because I'm a profanity loving, horny little pervert.  Which anyone that really knows me knows that I'm not, but still.....

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 06/21/04 at 1:25 am

I think some people find it strange that I actually watch wrestling for the wrestling.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/21/04 at 6:19 am


Nothing wrong with a long post Bobby, as long as you make your point.

You pointed out in their that the WWE gained a new audience. Well let me say that along with that new audience the outside non wrestling fans as well as some of the fans gained a new perspective on pro wrestling.

Whenever I used to tell people I was a pro wrestling fan they used to think that I liked watching the show for the manuevers, colorful antics, and the comedy of the skits. Ever since 1997 people automatically think I watch it because I'm a profanity loving, horny little pervert.  Which anyone that really knows me knows that I'm not, but still.....


I think I made my point - That's what happens when you get into a typing 'stream of consciousness', lol.  ;D

You made a good point, Harmonica. When a company cheapens itself, the fans get cheapened as well.

What I can't understand is why a lot of 'wrestling fans' would choose to pay their hard-earned money, not to watch a few great matches, but rather to watch a four way evening gown match set in a pool (?) or some mediocre wrestler (let me say that Bradshaw and Guerrero in my eyes are mediocre wrestlers) blade himself horribly to death to convince the fans they are watching a decent match. I wouldn't mind half the time but I remember Michaels getting bust open just by hitting the ring post on one occassion! Give me a break!

Why don't these people hire out a porno or a horror film for the night? It's a lot cheaper and you get to see a lot more on both counts.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/21/04 at 4:09 pm

Rush - I run into the same problem a lot. However a lot of people know that I like to watch the wrestling part of pro wrestling as well because I'm also a huge College wrestling fan.

Bobby - I think the reason people don't get those Porno flicks is because if they did that then they'd be "Weirdo's", "Perverts", and God forbid UN-Normal. Everyone and their dog watches Pro wrestling now a days so as long as everyone else is doing it, it's "Normal".

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/21/04 at 9:14 pm




Wrestling in the 80s was much different than what it is in the 90s and 00s because the demand is different. When 'Rock and Wrestling' was introduced around the mid 80s, the aim was at children. Hulk Hogan was the role model for children and in return, children would go to events and would make adults pay heavily for merchandise. Once Hogan left the WWF after Wrestlemania 8, the WWE went through a big slump (he returned for a short spell at Wrestlemania 9). There was no easy solution for Vince since Hogan left so they used Bret 'The Hitman' Hart and Shawn Michaels as ways of coaxing the fans back. The steroid scandal was being talked about at this point but it was around 1997 that the WWF felt the repercussions of it. The WWE were desperate as there didn't seem to be any quick fixes for them anymore . . .

Bret as far as I am concerned is one of the best WWF World title holders but he was no Hulk Hogan. The WWF must have realised this because they tried to use Lex Luger as an 'All American' Hulk Hogan-esque character back in 1993 and they thought they struck gold for a while as Summerslam 1993 to Royal Rumble 1994 were quite successful. Once Lex lost his fight against Yokozuna at Wrestlemania 10 (a work of his own doing it was later revealed), Lex lost the momentum and Bret continued to be the driving force of the federation. Lex was relegated to being in a tag team with The British Bulldog and he never recovered. After Wrestlemania 11, Lex headed back to WCW where it was becoming more successful. The WWE from here new they had to change the record that jumped from Wrestlemania 1 to 8!

1996 saw a man billed as The Ringmaster enter the WWF and he became famous very quickly due to a shoot he made at King of the Ring 1996 (to Jake Roberts: Austin 3:16 said I kicked your a**). Bret Hart took holiday around this time (after his loss at Wrestlemania 12 - Bret was never going to recapture his glory days) and this allowed Austin the opportunity to enter the lime-light. Austin admitted that if Hart didn't take holiday around this time, things could have been a lot different for him . Wrestlemania 13 I think was the turning point for Austin. Despite being a lacklustre Wrestlemania, no one cared about the WWF title match that night - Bret and Steve stole the show. Bret continued to have problems with Vince and Shawn and it climaxed at The Survivor Series when he lost the belt to Shawn Michaels without being consulted. Bret left straight after, Shawn kept the title until 1998 and WWF Attitude began with the formation of D-Generation X. IMO, this group was formed merely to rival WCW's New World Order who were gaining a lot of notoriety in their own organisation - and without it, HHH wouldn't be were he is today.

From here, it became apparent that the crowd demands were different. They no longer compromised of kids cheering on their heroes but a more cynical older generation who lapped up this new direction. The WWE attended to this new 'audience' and it became quite clear that the WWF was becoming a different product. The Steve Austin V Vince McMahon feud became successful as a result.

Overall, WWE evolved. IMO it didn't become better but it evolved and it had to because WCW were doing it faster than they were. WCW started off the P-P-V every month thing (because Ted Turner didn't find it difficult to squander cash on his project), the different attitude (New World Order) and the segregation of wrestlers into mini-organisations (before the Raw/Smackdown split, WCW had seperate Nitro/Thunder rostas but didn't make a big thing of it). I believe the interest in P-P-V ratings had been increased due to fall in merchandising (something WCW was hardly successful in).

Sorry for another extremely long post.  :)




I agree with you,Bobby.Wrestling sucks and it will still continue to suck as far as I'm concerned. >:( :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/21/04 at 9:15 pm

I think some people find it strange that I actually watch wrestling for the wrestling.



But,don't you watch wrestling for the storylines? :D




Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/21/04 at 10:29 pm

Pro wrestling has had storylines forever, so I guess it depends on your definition of storyline Howard. I like the fued that Big Boss Man and Mountie Had where the looser had to spend a night in jail or the Time Repo Man would come out and attack the bulldog and ole Davey Boy powerslammed and pinned him a week later on Raw in less than 5 minutes. However these storylines like Who's the father of Lita's baby and Triple H pretending to screw a corpse is plain disgusting and raunchy. It's wrong and No I don't like those storylines.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/22/04 at 6:27 am


Bobby - I think the reason people don't get those Porno flicks is because if they did that then they'd be "Weirdo's", "Perverts", and God forbid UN-Normal. Everyone and their dog watches Pro wrestling now a days so as long as everyone else is doing it, it's "Normal".


Well IMO let them pay a lot of money for their own insecurities, Harmonica. Lol. Honestly, I would rather pay 2 or 3 pounds (4 dollars?) to hire a porno film than goodness knows how much to watch a woman who doesn't even flash! Basic economics I say.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/22/04 at 6:30 am


I agree with you,Bobby.Wrestling sucks and it will still continue to suck as far as I'm concerned. >:( :P


It's a shame because I don't think wrestling 'sucks'. It has the potential to be exactly like it was from the 70s - very early 90s. The WWE don't want to go back though and I find that, as a result, wrestling will continue to suck.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/22/04 at 6:35 am


Pro wrestling has had storylines forever, so I guess it depends on your definition of storyline Howard. I like the fued that Big Boss Man and Mountie Had where the looser had to spend a night in jail or the Time Repo Man would come out and attack the bulldog and ole Davey Boy powerslammed and pinned him a week later on Raw in less than 5 minutes. However these storylines like Who's the father of Lita's baby and Triple H pretending to screw a corpse is plain disgusting and raunchy. It's wrong and No I don't like those storylines.


Wrestling thrives on storylines. Most were simple but they were storylines nonetheless. The feud between The Bossman and The Mountie was at least relevant (two areas of law enforcement face off against each other - looking at it more deeply America V Canada). The Jailhouse match at Summerslam was awful but the vignettes that occurred during the P-P-V was funny and showed one of it's daring scenes at the time when The Mountie was stuck in a cell with another prisoner. That was cheeky though and wasn't raunchy IMO.

I didn't see the part where HHH was pretending to screw a corpse. How wrong is that!?! What I find ironic is these people you say are trying to be 'normal', Harmonica, by following mob mentality has opted to go for the necrophilia option instead.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/22/04 at 11:47 am

If the majority of people think it's right, then it's considered normal or appropriate.  Society as a whole is not a leader, it is a follower. It's proven again and again and again. Look at Adolf Hitler, look at abortion, look at Osama Bin Ladin. Wrong. Yes. Matters? No. The majority of people view something to be something then thats they way it is in the eyes of the people, even if IT ISN'T the way it is in all sense of reality.


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/22/04 at 5:00 pm


If the majority of people think it's right, then it's considered normal or appropriate.  Society as a whole is not a leader, it is a follower. It's proven again and again and again. Look at Adolf Hitler, look at abortion, look at Osama Bin Ladin. Wrong. Yes. Matters? No. The majority of people view something to be something then thats they way it is in the eyes of the people, even if IT ISN'T the way it is in all sense of reality.


I must admit, Harmonica. We are stepping into something other than wrestling now.  :)

If you were referring to my last post, I was just musing over what you said about what people find as normal or abnormal. Nothing more and nothing less.

I agree with you, society follows and not leads, which is why I used the term 'mob mentality'.  :-\\

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: RockNRollPrincess on 06/22/04 at 5:24 pm

 

Wrestling is my absolute favorite thing 2 watch... I find nothing wrong with wrestling. It bothers quite a few people, but it doesn't bother me at all. I'm fifteen and I'm able to stomach all of the nasty little things they sometimes come up with.At the end of the day some of these people should know that part of wrestling IS "fake".... :-X lol. All and all, its not THAT horribly bad to watch ;)!

                                        -Jenny

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/22/04 at 6:20 pm

Pro wrestling has had storylines forever, so I guess it depends on your definition of storyline Howard. I like the fued that Big Boss Man and Mountie Had where the looser had to spend a night in jail or the Time Repo Man would come out and attack the bulldog and ole Davey Boy powerslammed and pinned him a week later on Raw in less than 5 minutes. However these storylines like Who's the father of Lita's baby and Triple H pretending to screw a corpse is plain disgusting and raunchy. It's wrong and No I don't like those storylines.


And people wonder why the ratings are down & attendance is extremely low.Last week's was a horrible 3.1 for Smackdown.I only wonder what the ratings were this week for Monday Night Raw? :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/22/04 at 6:23 pm

Wrestling thrives on storylines. Most were simple but they were storylines nonetheless. The feud between The Bossman and The Mountie was at least relevant (two areas of law enforcement face off against each other - looking at it more deeply America V Canada). The Jailhouse match at Summerslam was awful but the vignettes that occurred during the P-P-V was funny and showed one of it's daring scenes at the time when The Mountie was stuck in a cell with another prisoner. That was cheeky though and wasn't raunchy IMO.

Well,let me say this.If WWE got the F back in,screw the bikni matches,make less ridiculous storylines and get better competition,WWF would be a better show or shows to watch.That's my 2 cents. ;)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/22/04 at 6:26 pm

It's a shame because I don't think wrestling 'sucks'. It has the potential to be exactly like it was from the 70s - very early 90s. The WWE don't want to go back though and I find that, as a result, wrestling will continue to suck


I agree with you 100% Bob. http://www.prowrestling.com/discuss/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/22/04 at 8:23 pm


Wrestling is my absolute favorite thing 2 watch... I find nothing wrong with wrestling. It bothers quite a few people, but it doesn't bother me at all. I'm fifteen and I'm able to stomach all of the nasty little things they sometimes come up with.At the end of the day some of these people should know that part of wrestling IS "fake".... :-X lol. All and all, its not THAT horribly bad to watch ;)!

                                         -Jenny


May I commend you RocknRollPrincess on having great taste in Sports Entertainment and secondly, that you are right, wrestling (surprise suprise to some) is predetermined. The main problem I do have is the execution of storylines and not neccessarily what the storylines contain. Adult themes like relationships, death and betrayal are great topics for wrestling but it's the uninterested way the WWE shows them. I remember a time when the Bigbossman cooked Al Snow's dog (!). When BigShow's dad died, Bogbossman would come along to the funeral and tie the coffin to his truck and ride off with it! Not only did the plot get little air time to develop, it was quite tasteless. It's great to put a heel (baddie) over but sometimes you've got to feel for the wrestlers in the way they have been portrayed. My personal top 10 wasted wrestlers in the WWE:

10. Rob Van Dam

The man hailing from Battlecreek, Michigan was perhaps rightly called 'The Whole F...in' Show' in ECW and had tremendous 20 minute plus matches with wrestlers like Lance Storm, Tommy Dreamer and Sabu. Now, the man seems to have got lazy preferring to do a patterned repertoir rather than show his excellence. Despite this, Van Dam deserves better, longer matches and definitely deserves a match with Shawn Michaels (preferrably in a WWE title match). His tag team partners (Booker T?) haven't done his image any favours either. He doesn't do the Van Daminator or the Van Terminator much these days either.

9. 'Million Dollar Man' Ted Dibiase

Not Ted Dibiase? Well think about it. He arrived and got a massive response trying to buy the WWF belt from Andre before Wrestlemania 4 but straight after, he was wasted talent (his repeated feuds with Hogan masked how ill-used he was) until Virgil turned on him at Royal Rumble 1991 (despite an excellent performance at the Royal Rumble the previous year). The feud with Virgil wasn't that amazing really and was helped along by 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper. After losing twice to 'jobber' Virgil in P-P-Vs. He had an appalling performance at Royal Rumble 1992 and from there became Money Inc where, once they got the tag titles, preferred to get counted out during matches. In hindsight, they could have done much more with Ted Dibiase and the gimmick IMO.

8. 'The Model' Rick Martel

I feel Martel was much better suited with a partner than wrestling on his own. There was three feuds Martel got involved with and only one really captured the capacity crowd's attention. When Strike Force broke up, Martel was left feuding with Santana for what felt like forever without ever actually developing it (would you believe that four years later they continue the thing briefly at Royal Rumble 1993?), Long feuds are not a bad thing but long pointless feuds are . . . Well . . . Pointless. Martel was well used in his feud with Jake Roberts but from there he jobs continuously to 'unbeaten' Tatanka. Martel's last match in a WWF P-P-V was lasting a couple of minutes at Royal Rumble 1995 - the WWE's way of saying thanks to a wrestler that has stayed with the company for 8 or 9 years.  ::)

7. Test

They put Test through the motions and even winning an invincible battle royal at Survivor Series didn't help his cause. Test like a lot of wrestlers is a very generic based wrestler and if given the proper character to portray himself (along with the likes of Prince Albert/A-Train) could have been given enough empathy with the crowd to make his feuds more interesting. As it stood, the latest thing I saw with him involved was the Stacey Keibler jealousy angle that looked quite pathetic. I think perhaps the most stupidest, and yet the most interesting thing they could do with him is have him tag with Bradshaw - they both have the same build and would complement each other quite well merely as toughmen.

6. Red Rooster

In an interview recently, Terry Taylor described this gimmick has 'ahead of it's time'. I would dissagree, The Rooster was a heel initially as part of The Heenan Family (for some obscure reason), he rebelled against Bobby and then beat him in a singles match at Wrestlemania 5. The gimmick was not developed and the wrestler became a jobber up until his poor performance at Royal Rumble 1990. He did nothing notable at all but could have been so much more with a more feasible gimmick. The red set in his mullet didn't make matters better either.

5. Sgt Slaughter

In a very similar way to 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan but in reverse. Slaughter was merely a one feud wrestler and that was against Hulk Hogan around a time of political unrest.  However, Slaughter could have been used in all manner of ways depicting various prejudices and intolerances. After a useless Summerslam 1991 rematch,the WWF decided to turn him face rather quickly - and he has done nothing notable since.

4. 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan

Why do I say 'wasted'? Because Duggan has a very general gimmick. They could have used him for lots of positive messages beyond the USA patriotism thing around 1990/1991. The WWE chose not to and as a result, we saw countless matches with 'Hacksaw' bouncing a plank off people's heads as a way to win matches - here is a fact for you, in P-P-V, the only one person that has pinned 'Hacksaw' is Ted Dibiase at Wrestlemania 4 in the WWF World title tournament. I will check up on that one later, lol.

3. Koko B Ware

Koko's lack of body weight didn't help him much but the WWE could have made him more than a glorified jobber! He jobbed in his career to almost every wrestler on P-P-V (Butch Reed, Bigbossman, Akeem, Rick Martel all spring to mind . . .). He had an animal gimmick (a parrot called Frankie) that didn't work properly and finally became a tag partner with Owen Hart as 'Hi Energy'. Of course, they at least jobbed to The Headshrinkers. A shame really, one or two good wins would have made him quite a character to root for.

2. Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine

I love this wrestler but he was so badly used. He won the Intercontinental title and The Tag titles (with Brutus Beefcake) and from around Wrestlemania 3 onwards was used and then ill-used in the strangest of ways. For example, Greg and Beefcake split up by Wrestlemania 4, Greg managed to do in what Savage couldn't do in about double the time the Wrestlemania previous - pin Ricky Steamboat. Of course, he lost to Machoman during the tournament. Greg has a feud with hopeless Ronny Garvin that culminates in a nice (if overlong) submission match at Royal Rumble 1990. Then, inexplicably, the WWE pair him up with Honky Tonk Man to form Rhythm and Blues (why Greg why?), complete with died black hair! Watch Wrestlemania 6 when they perform 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love'. Greg has no idea what he is doing at all. Greg splits from Honky about 6 months later and then lasts about 50 minutes at Royal Rumble 1991 (a big thing back then, perhaps encompassed by a better time by Rick Martel on the same night!). For some really stupid reason they don't capitalise on his 'strongman' persona and make him job to Earthquake at Wrestlemania 7! Greg never recovered from this and entered Royal Rumble's 1992 and 1994 with mediocre results.

1. Tito Santana

He gained the Intercontinental title and Tag title (with Rick Martel as Strike Force) away from P-P-V and in the course of this man's Wrestlemania illustrious history, he managed to job 7 of his 8 matches! He won his first match at the first Wrestlemania against The Executioner (In order of losses: The Funk Brothers (tag partner with Junkyard Dog), Hart Foundation and Danny Davis (tag partners: British Bulldogs), Demolition (tag partner: Rick Martel), Brainbusters (tag partner: Rick Martel again), Barbarian, Mountie (perhaps the worst job of all - the match lasted about a minute before The Mountie zapped him with his cattleprod) and then Shawn Michaels. The WWF never seemed to know what to do with the Mexican star and made him wage a long (yawnful) feud with Rick Martel that went absolutely nowhere. Perhaps Santana's surprise success was beating Sgt Slaughter's team at Survivor Series 1990 to enter the 'Grand Finale' at the end with Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior (Hogan, Warrior and then Santana?). They made Santana wear bright green and pink costume later on and call him 'El Matador'. No success followed with this gimmick either . . .

Another long read and remember, it is only my opinion.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/22/04 at 8:29 pm


It's a shame because I don't think wrestling 'sucks'. It has the potential to be exactly like it was from the 70s - very early 90s. The WWE don't want to go back though and I find that, as a result, wrestling will continue to suck


I agree with you 100% Bob. http://www.prowrestling.com/discuss/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif


Ah! That's cool, Howard. You mentioned stupid storylines. The storylines can be as stupid as they want as long as they are fitted comfortably with the wrestlers. Could you imagine the departed Brock Lesnar involved in a romantic plot-line for example? Or The Undertaker involved in a mission to look for his long lost mother? Stupid but not incredible that's what I say. The WWE should want you to believe the storylines they dish up. I think a lot of wrestlers should develop a sense of humour as well - miserable looking sods most of them.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/23/04 at 12:30 am

Wrestling 1990-2000

1990 to 2000 was a decade professional wrestling fans will never forget. From the rise and fall of WCW to WWF's new "attitude" approach, this was certainly an exciting time.



1990--WWF

We start off in 1990. Contrary to what most think, this was not a great time for the WWF. We begun the year with WWF Royal Rumble and Tony Schavoni announcing?!?!?!?! This was after the peak Hulk Hogan era of the latter part of the 80's. Although Hogan begun the year as champ, many credit 1990 as the year of the Ultimate Warrior. WWF started a feud between the two at the Royal Rumble, as Hogan "accidentally" eliminate the Warrior from the battle royal. This lead to Wrestlemania VI at the Skydome in Toronto Canada, and yes a Warrior victory. What perhaps is most shocking about this is that this was one of 2 or 3 (at the most) matches Hogan jobbed cleanly for. After his loss, Hogan was shuffled into a feud with Earthquake (John Tenta) and Warrior continued a prior feud with Rick Rude. Much remained the same for the rest of 1990 in the WWF. People were becoming tired of the red and yellow, and this was a refreshing break. (Hogan had been champ from 84-88 and from 89-90) The undercard of 1990 was pretty dismal. Highlights of the year included: Dusty Rhodes in Polka Dot Tights teaming with a 300 pound Saphire to take on "Macho King" Randy Savage and Sherri Martel in the WWF's first ever mixed tag team match; first ever title for title match (hogan/warrior); The Undertaker debuts at the Survivor Series 1990; Rick Rude wrestles his last match for the WWF, losing to Warrior at Summerslam in a steel cage match.

1990-WCW

1990 in WCW was the year of the Stinger. Sting (Steve Borden) captured his first WCW championship at the Great American Bash in July of that year. Perhaps the greatest angle was after Flair had lost, and had not been granted a rematch, he disquised himself as a "Black Scorpion" and targeted Sting which led to the blow-off feud at Starrcade in December of that year. Other than that, WCW was in a state of consistancy. Highlights of the year included: The Black Scorpion; The Four Horsemen

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/23/04 at 12:49 am




1991--WWF

This was pathetic. It started in January at the Royal Rumble with Sgt. Slaughter defeating the Ultimate Warrior for the WWF championship!!! This was surely not what the original plan was, but Warrior was not drawing as the champion. A note of reference is that Randy Savage interfered in that match setting up a feud between him and the Warrior. This led to a career vs. career match at Wrestlemania VII. Of course Savage lost, but was reunited with his former valet Elizabeth. At that same PPV, Hogan won back the WWF title, like anybody cared. On July 6, 1991, Randy Savage "proposed" to Elizabeth on Superstars. Their marriage was set to take place at Summerslam in August. It should be noted that the tasteless angle that follows begun when Earthquake squished Jake "The Snake" Roberts snake Damian. (Please note Damian got caught in a sewer pipe and died and this was their "explanation" of why Jake no longer had the snake.) At Summerslam, after the wedding Roberts presented Elizabeth with a box that contained a snake. This set up a Roberts -- Savage feud. Savage finally got a match with Roberts in November, but after the match, Roberts tied Savage up in the ropes and allowed a snake to gnaw on his flesh. This led to a rematch that December which led to Roberts hitting Elizabeth in the face. Tasteless, yes, but before its time. Meanwhile, Hulk Hogan was challenged by an undefeated Undertaker at Survivor Series and lost his world title to him. Highlights Include: Hogan wins back-to-back royal rumbles; Bret Hart proves success as a single star defeating Mr. Perfect at Summerslam; Undertaker locks the Warrior in a casket and captures his first WWF world title; Hogan jobs :P; tension begins to mount between Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty (The Rockers); Ric Flair debuts in WWF


1991--WCW

In June of 1991 WCW let Ric Flair go. This was not a smart move by the company, and at the 1991 Bash, we were forced to endure a cage match between Barry Windham and Lex Lugar to crown a new World Champ. Lugar won. By the end of the year, he was feuding with Sting. Highlights include: Doom breaks up; Oz (Kevin Nash) debuts at Superbrawl; A chamber of horrors thunder of doom match at Halloween Havoc; Sting vs. Nikita Koloff in a Russian Chain Match; The Rock n' Roll Express breaks up (temporarily); El Giante is shaved bald; Johnny B. Badd debuts at Superbrawl and reveals a homosexual style gimmick

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/23/04 at 12:52 am

I will do 1992 later today... :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/23/04 at 5:55 am

I suppose there were some nuances in 1990/1991 that weren't there in previous years but I think the change in direction with The Ultimate Warrior was a very good idea. If you are so used to something, when it comes to change it gets harder to deal with.

Royal Rumble 1990 was o.k, there was no stand-out match (what can you say when 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan and 'BigBossman' are the main event, lol). The Rumble itself was pretty good to start with (the idea of Ted Dibiase eliminating two wrestlers within the 2 minute bracket was good - something that was elaborated for Steve Austin's tedious effort seven years later . . . ). Hulk Hogan said in an interview that around this time, the injuries he was sustaining night after night were taking their toll on him which was probably why he took that short leave (disguised as an injury) to prepare for his match against Earthquake. It may also explain why he jobbed cleanly to The Warrior - a man can get bumped around for so long without a holiday.

I have always thought that Wrestlemania 6 was a one match event and there were far too many matches (about 12 or so?). At least The Warrior V Hulk Hogan had a clean decision, and the ring psychology was set up well. The crowd were electric! It's a shame, because I liked the WWF's rosta around this time but the WWF didn't seem to do a great deal with what it had.

Summerslam 1990 was quite a change - Hogan got second billing and he didn't even pin Earthquake! The Warrior V Rick Rude match could have been a bit better but it was quite brutal. The match of the night was Hart Foundation V Demolition. However, after this match, Demolition would never be the same. Ax 'appeared' at The Survivor Series but just jobbed in the first few minutes due to an injury.

Survivor Series 1990 was alright but it was only given 2 hours! The first match was interesting between Warrior, Texas Tornado and Legion of Doom V Mr Perfect, Ax, Smash and Crush of Demolition but it all fell apart too quickly when Legion of Doom and the remaining members of Demolition got disqualified. The rest was alright and the WWF introduced us to two negative things that night - The Grand Finale and The Goobledygooker. I am pleased to say both never returned.

I love Royal Rumble 1991. The first match between Rockers and Orient Express is one of the best tag matches ever and the WWF world title, despite being a bizzare match, was an excellent way of winding up the crowd - I have never seen 'Machoman' more possessed. The delayed reaction from the officials and announcers at the end only added to the tension. The Rumble itself was well executed IMO. There seemed to be lots of incidental stuff happening even when there was loads of wrestlers in the ring (like Mr Perfect being stepped on by Earthquake - hilarious) and in comparison to Royal Rumble 1998 when they had loads of wrestlers in the ring, they all looked like they were waiting for a bus!

Wrestlemania 7, for me, was the last of the traditional Wrestlemanias. However, this was the first Wrestlemania without Jesse 'The Body' Ventura so they made do with regular broadcast announcer changes. I loved this event and perhaps for one reason only: The career ending match between The Warrior and 'Machoman' Randy Savage. IMO, this is what wrestling is about. Showing two men contesting for their right to stay with the Federation, one loses out but gains something else in the process - Elizabeth.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/23/04 at 10:44 am

Bobby, for me the last Traditional Wrestlemania was 12 after 12 they seemed like nothing but bigger versions of Raw, if even that.

I'll also say that people always point out how Jesse was a wrestler and make that the big deal when in reality most pro wrestling fans know his better as a ring announcer, that is where he really shined.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/23/04 at 5:12 pm

Ah! That's cool, Howard. You mentioned stupid storylines. The storylines can be as stupid as they want as long as they are fitted comfortably with the wrestlers. Could you imagine the departed Brock Lesnar involved in a romantic plot-line for example? Or The Undertaker involved in a mission to look for his long lost mother? Stupid but not incredible that's what I say. The WWE should want you to believe the storylines they dish up. I think a lot of wrestlers should develop a sense of humour as well - miserable looking sods most of them. 


I don't want to watch HHH screw corpses or rape,Hot Lesbian Action or pregnancy angle.That ain't funny anymore.It's wacked. >:(
It needs something so ratings can go back up again. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/23/04 at 5:13 pm

Ah! That's cool, Howard. You mentioned stupid storylines. The storylines can be as stupid as they want as long as they are fitted comfortably with the wrestlers. Could you imagine the departed Brock Lesnar involved in a romantic plot-line for example? Or The Undertaker involved in a mission to look for his long lost mother? Stupid but not incredible that's what I say. The WWE should want you to believe the storylines they dish up. I think a lot of wrestlers should develop a sense of humour as well - miserable looking sods most of them.  


I don't want to watch HHH screw corpses or rape,Hot Lesbian Action or pregnancy angle.That ain't funny anymore.It's wacked. >:(
It needs something so ratings can go back up again. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/23/04 at 6:31 pm



1992--WWF

The WWF was turning over a new leaf in 1992. At the beginning of the year, they split up The Rockers (Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty). Although Michaels went on to have major success, Jannetty was left behind by year's end.  1992 was a screwed up year. The original plan for Wrestlemania 8 was Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair, but for some reason, was changed to Hulk Hogan vs. Sid Vicious. Not long after Wresltemania 8, the Ultimate Warrior was cursed by a voodoo spell courtesy of Papa Shango. In one of the most tasteless angles ever, Warrior “threw up” on a ring attendent as chocolate syrup spewed out of his eyes.

On a happier note,  1992 featured the first WWF PPV in quite some time that Hulk Hogan did NOT appear on OR attend. This was Summerslam. Dubbed “The Summerslam You Thought You’d Never See”, it featured a main event Intercontinental championship match between the British Bulldog and Bret Hart. This was in the heart of the WWF’s steroid scandal, and thus muscle men like Warrior and Hogan were eradicated from the company. Survivor Series ’92 was a turning point in the company as it featured a main event match between Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Highlights of 1992 include: Hogan, Warrior, Sid Vicious and Jake Roberts all left the WWF; The steroid trial; Nailz; Shawn Michaels captures first solo championship in WWF; First ever casket match at Survivor Series ; The Roberts--Savage feud ending; Yokozuna debuts 



1992--WCW

In 1992, WCW was becomming poorer by the day. What started as a bright lights, pyro, exciting show became a dull, dark, unexciting production by years-end. Jake Roberts vs. Sting didn't help. Having been fired from the WWF, Roberts showed up in WCW at the Great American Bash '92 and assulted former World Champion Sting. This was after Sting had lost the title to Big Van Vader. Vader was quickly pushed into a feud with Ron Simmons and later a more exciting one with Cactus Jack. Sting on the other hand was left wrestling mid-carders like Roberts on a main-event level. Highlights Inculde: Sting vs. Lex Lugar (Superbrawl), A PPV named "Beach Blast" which would later be renamed "Bash At The Beach".

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/23/04 at 6:45 pm



WWF--1993

1993 was not a great year for either company. WWF begun ther year at an all time low. At the Royal Rumble, Yokozuna of all people won, setting himself up for a match at Wrestlemania XI vs. Bret Hart. Also at the Rumble, the "Giant Gonzales" (El Giante) debuted and assulted the Undertaker. Their feud ended at Summerslam after a brutal Rest In Peace match. In one of the worst Wreslemania matches ever, Yokozuna pinned Bret Hart to win the WWF championship, only to have Hulk Hogan return, pin him and win the championship. This was supposed to lead to Hogan vs. Hart at Summerslam, but Hogan didn't want to lye down for Hart, so he dropped the title back to Yokozuna and left the WWF to persue an acting career. Lex Lugar was moved into Hogan's spot as a baby-face American hero, but never caught on as a main-event player. By years end, Yokozuna was preparing for a feud with the Undertaker. Highlights Include: Hogan leaving; Giant Gonzales debuts and leaves; Monday Night Raw debuts; Bret hart wins the first ever televised King of the Ring

WCW--1993

One of the worst years ever for WCW, with nothing worth mentioning happening. Highlights Include: Shockmaster debuts and falls flat on his face; British Bulldog is propelled to main event status to team with Sting and feud against Vader and Sid; Ron Simmons sucks; Ric Flair pins Vader at Starrcade to capture the WCW championship (again)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/23/04 at 9:58 pm

Speaking about wasted Talent Bobby, what about Pat Tanaka?  He was a good wrestler, and had a martial arts background as well. I always enjoyed watching him wrestle but WWE treated him like crap. They made him job constantly. I always figured it was because he was small but I thought his days with Sato and Paul Diamond were grand. 

By the way I agree with you 100% on the Hammer Greg Valentine. He was a tremendous wrestler, with such grace and precision in his moves. I think the only reason WWE never did anything with him is because he really didn't have a gimmick and he wasn't extremely good looking and he was a little on the fat side. But man oh man he was one of the best wrestlers they ever had. Too bad WWE wouldn't of seen that.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 12:00 am

More wasted talent....


Kerry Von Eric--A former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Stick him in a lame Texas Tornado gimmick. And never was the WWF champion.

Dusty Rhodes--Another former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Stick him in lame polka-dotted trunks. And never was the WWF champion.

Harley Race--A third former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Put a crown on his head a make him look like a jerk. And never was the WWF champion.

Ronnie Garvin--A fourth former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Absolutely nothing. He gets put into a lame feud with Greg "The Hammer" Valentine and that's about it.

Big Show--In WCW he was known as "The Giant". He was a former WCW champion, built as a monster and intimidating. Comes to WWF and what do they do? Make him look like a jerk on his first night in the company accidentaly helping Stone Cold Steve Austin win a cage match over Mr. McMahon. This mans career has gone straight down hill even since signing with this company.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 12:22 am

Bad Gimmicks

Just a small list of bad gimmicks....something to think about... ???

-Adam Bomb
-Adrian Adonis
-Akeem (One Man Gang)
-Aldo Montoya (Justin Credible)
-Beaver Cleavage
-Berserker
-Bertha Faye
-Blue Twins (Ron + Don Harris)
-Bastion Booger
-Ludvig Borga
-Cloudy
-Dean Douglas (Shane Douglas)
-Doink The Clown, Dink The Clown
-Ricky Steamboat (WWF) The announcers have no idea who he is.
-Duke "The Dumpster" Droese
-El Matador
-Fake Diesel and Razon Ramon
-Farooq Asad (Ron Simmons)
-Fatu (Rikishi)
-The Genius (Lanny Poffo)
-The Godwinns
-Giant Gonzalez
-Gobbeldy Gooker
-The Goon
-Irwin R. Schyster (Mike Rotundo)
-Jean Pierre Lafitte
-Dusty Rhodes (WWF)
-Jimmy Jack Funk
-Justin Hawk Bradshaw
-The Jynx Brothers (Hardy Boyz)
-Max Moon
-The Model (WWF)
-Men on a Mission
-Nailz
-Naked Mideon
-"Narcissist" Lex Luger
-"The Natural" Butch Reed
-New Midnight Express
-New Rockers
-The Oddities
-Outback Jack
-Papa Shango (Godfather; Kama)
-Sparky Plugg (Bob Holly)
-Real Man's Man (Steven Regal)
-Repo Man
-Ringmaster
-Rhythm & Blues
-Rocco (Legion of Doom's puppet)
-Rockabilly
-Rocky Maivia
-The Red Rooster
-Salvatore Sincere
-Skinner
-The Stalker (Barry Windham)
-The Sultan
-Tugboat
-Warlord
-Well Dunn
-Who (Jim Nidehart)
-Isaac Yankem, DDS
-Zeus

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 12:24 am

What's everyone think of the old King of The Ring tournament?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 4:46 am


What's everyone think of the old King of The Ring tournament?


I kind of liked it. It went on way before it P-P-V'd in 1993 (I think it started around 1988, maybe before that . . .). The problem with 'King of The Ring' is that the WWF/E only showcased one person during the entire P-P-V (perhaps the only exception was 1993, when Mr Perfect put in a fine performance as well as the winner). The wrestlers looked like they were going through the motions and couldn't give a toss. The tournament format took too long to execute as well which, by the end, we only saw the semi-finals and then finals (which was pointless to be honest - we might as well call it 'Wrestlemania 10 Championship rules'. I think King of The Ring kind of lost their way after 1998 (I'm not too sure if any King of The Ring could better that Hell in a Cell match!) - Though the King Mabel idea was perhaps the most stupid thing the WWF have ever done (and they have done a lot of stupid things)  :).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 4:57 am


Bobby, for me the last Traditional Wrestlemania was 12 after 12 they seemed like nothing but bigger versions of Raw, if even that.

I'll also say that people always point out how Jesse was a wrestler and make that the big deal when in reality most pro wrestling fans know his better as a ring announcer, that is where he really shined.


Yeah I appreciate all this. Everybody has their own personal benchmark as to what the last traditional Wrestlemania is. I suppose, rightly or wrongly, I associate Hulk Hogan as being the big thing about Wrestlemania (main eventing the first 9). Does anyone agree with me when I say two of the worst Wrestlemania's of all time (for wrestling, nothing else) were Wrestlemania 9 and 11? I know Wrestlemania 13 comes close but that was saved by one of the best matches of the year 'Bret Hart V Steve Austin' and I enjoyed the Chicago Street Fight (first 'hardcore' match I have ever seen).

IMO, Jesse Ventura was one of the best announcers ever. He loved to spoil Hogan's every success with a heelish glee (I remember Jesse getting all bent out of shape at Survivor Series 1989 when Hogan made 3 people from the opposing team get disqualified!) Bobby Heenan was a nice replacement (who could forget his efforts at Royal Rumble 1992 and Wrestlemania 8?) but wasn't the same.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 5:15 am


More wasted talent....


Kerry Von Eric--A former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Stick him in a lame Texas Tornado gimmick. And never was the WWF champion.

Dusty Rhodes--Another former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Stick him in lame polka-dotted trunks. And never was the WWF champion.

Harley Race--A third former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Put a crown on his head a make him look like a jerk. And never was the WWF champion.

Ronnie Garvin--A fourth former NWA world champion. Comes to the WWF and what do they do? Absolutely nothing. He gets put into a lame feud with Greg "The Hammer" Valentine and that's about it.

Big Show--In WCW he was known as "The Giant". He was a former WCW champion, built as a monster and intimidating. Comes to WWF and what do they do? Make him look like a jerk on his first night in the company accidentaly helping Stone Cold Steve Austin win a cage match over Mr. McMahon. This mans career has gone straight down hill even since signing with this company.


I was so tempted to put Dusty Rhodes, Texas Tornado and Harley Race into my 'Wasted 10' but they didn't stick around to take what was given to them like Tito Santana, Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine (at least he is in the WWE Hall of Fame now - he don't look bad for his age either) and 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan (I read an interview on Duggan, he's quite a shrewd man really - he just looks like a nutcase. His reaction to the question 'What did it feel like to win the first Royal Rumble? 'It was just a job I had to do'. I wish more wrestlers had the same perspective as Duggan). It was probably this perspective that didn't give 'Hacksaw' any title matches however.

Unfortunately, Texas Tornado didn't live long enough to fulfil any kind of dream he may have had with the WWF. He wrestled with a false foot at his last match in a P-P-V (Royal Rumble 1992) after a road accident with a motorcycle and from there, after debts engulfed him, decided to take his own life in 1993. A very big shame indeed.

I'm so glad you have the same views as I have of The Big Show. He doesn't have the dignity like Andre The Giant who was genuinely awe-inspiring (even if he was suffering from medical conditions ever since Wrestlemania 2). WCW had the right idea about Big Show (he also looked trimmer with them as well, they probably weren't paying him so much, lol).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 6:36 am


Bad Gimmicks

Just a small list of bad gimmicks....something to think about... ???

-Adam Bomb
How can you develop a wrestler's gimmick founded on living on a nuclear island, lol.
-Adrian Adonis
Ah! Adrian was great. The worst thing the WWE ever did though was announce to the world he was a homosexual. They should have had a little mystery with this man. However, despite being quite a fat wrestler, he was an entertainer and bumped like I've never seen anyone bump around that time period (1984 - 1987). Unfortunately, Adonis got killed in a car crash around 1987.
-Akeem (One Man Gang)
Hmm! The less said about this guy the better. The man was useless - nothing said this better than Royal Rumble 1990 (he got eliminated by 'Superfly' Jimmy Snuka in about two minutes from a headbutt! Snuka was another wasted wrestler.  ::)
-Aldo Montoya (Justin Credible)
PJ Walker under a mask - better known these days as Justin Credible. I've seen him on P-P-V twice. Once was Royal Rumble 1995 and then, embarrassingly enough, playing beach-ball at Summerslam 1996.
-Beaver Cleavage
A seriously bad idea. The character fortunately never got any development beyond Heat and Raw. How embarrassing.
-Berserker
Bezerker had one interesting match with The Undertaker involving a sword! Apart from that he was a bore dressed as a viking.
-Bertha Faye
I think she appeared at Survivor Series 1995 with Aja Kong - She had a big mouth and was inept to say the least.
-Blue Twins (Ron + Don Harris)
Yes they were Eli and Jacob Blu. I only remember seeing them have a match against Lex Luger and British Bulldog at Wrestlemania 11. Not a bad match but that is considering the rest of the P-P-V was pretty diabolical (apart from Shawn V Diesel I suppose). WWF decided to shave their heads and call them The Disciples of Apocolypse (Chainz and 8 ball I think they were called).
-Bastion Booger
An embarrassment to the WWF. His stay was short as he only appeared for one P-P-V (Survivor Series 1993). He was 'supposed' to enter Royal Rumble 1994 but didn't enter allowing for the Bret Hart will he/won't he enter Rumble mystery.
-Ludvig Borga
Uncharismatic mean-spirit attempt by WWF to use Zenophobia again. Lasted a while (six months?) but got a severe injury and hadn't wrestled since.
-Cloudy
Cloudy!?! Never heard of him - he must have been pretty awful!
-Dean Douglas (Shane Douglas)
Shane had a one off WWF P-P-V at Royal Rumble 1991 and lasted quite a long time (at least 20 minutes!). He came back around Survivor Series 1995 but left shortly afterwards. This allowed him to go to WCW and ECW.
-Doink The Clown, Dink The Clown
Perhaps the most talked about useless gimmick in WWF history and I think was an alarm bell to every wrestling fan who watched. I didn't think he was that bad - he just wasn't developed enough. He came back for the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17.
-Ricky Steamboat (WWF) The announcers have no idea who he is.
Steamboat was excellent at Wrestlemania 3 but was wasted ever since. He came back to the WWF at Summerslam 1991 wearing this ludicrous dragon suit for a one-off 3 man tag match (that was pretty stupid) and from there, went off to WCW were he was used correctly (he had a great 2-3 falls match with 'Ravashing' Rick Rude at Beachblast 1992).
-Duke "The Dumpster" Droese
This was around the time the WWF were experimenting with occupational gimmicks. Remember a guy who didn't get much air-time called TJ Hopper? He was supposedly a plumber who dealt with cleaning toilets - LMAO! Duke lasted just over a year so, as useless gimmicks go, he didn't do too bad. He came back for the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17!
-El Matador
It breathed new life into tired ol' Santana for a short while. The gimmick lasted just under a year. It didn't help him against men like Shawn Michaels and Papa Shango.
-Fake Diesel and Razon Ramon
Probably as controversial as the Montreal Screw Job at Survivor Series 1997 (IMO a benchmark for when WWF changed to 'Attitude' mode). Jim Ross announced on Raw once that Diesel and Razor Ramon had returned, but they weren't the same people associated with the gimmicks (Scott Hall and Kevin Nash who took off for WCW). As far as the WWF were concerned, they owned the names so they could stick however the wanted in those roles. The fake Razor Ramon (who did a good job impersonating Scott Hall was unsuccessful with the fans) entered Royal Rumble 1997 and lasted . . . About a minute, lol. Diesel was impersonated by a man called Glen Jacobs who previously was the demon dentist 'Isaac Yankem' in 1995. The WWE decided to keep him on, make him wear a mask and call him Kane later on . . .
-Farooq Asad (Ron Simmons)
Should have left the WWF after being ousted out from The Nation of Domination by The Rock. That would have made The Rock's prescence that much more effective. Ron Simmons was much better in WCW (stupid 'All-American' gimmick though).
-Fatu (Rikishi)
When a man has to use his arse as a way of grabbing attention. There's something wrong.
-The Genius (Lanny Poffo)
Was more of a manager. He did his job. The brother of 'Machoman' Randy Savage, and you can see the similarities as well.
-The Godwinns
Another occupational gimmick. Reminiscent of the 'Hillbilly Jim' gimmick of 1986 (when Phinneas decided to join in - Phinneas was later called Mideon, he later had a gimmick of being a streaker! Poor lad! What did he do to deserve that!!?) Lasted from 1995 to about the end of 1997, Why? I don't know.
-Giant Gonzalez
El Gigante in a stupid suit. This man could have been a force on his own terms in the WWF. Oh well.
-Gobbeldy Gooker
Made two appearances in WWF P-P-V; Survivor Series 1990 (an embarrassing one at that) and at the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17.
-The Goon
Like Beaver Cleavage, got very little air-time.
-Irwin R. Schyster (Mike Rotundo)
Probably the first of the occupational gimmicks. I.R.S was supposed to be a tax-man. Teaming up with Ted Dibiase was probably the best thing the WWF could do with him. He was awful and I preferred him as Michael Wall Street (Rotundo is quite a tall bloke and you could see it when he used to do his legendary squash matches in WCW). He lasted until 1995 and then he decided to go to WCW. He should have counted himself lucky that he got so far with such a stupid gimmick.
-Jean Pierre Lafitte
Vaguely remember him . . .
-Dusty Rhodes (WWF)
Toughman turned overly camp fat lad, Dusty Rhodes. Oh dear. Dusty must have peeved off a few officials in the WWF to get this kind of treatment. He was managed by Sapphire (who was encouraged to shake her butt all the time). Dusty wanted a prostitute as his manager initally but the WWF thought it too naughty for the kids.
-Jimmy Jack Funk
I don't know much about this USWA character apart from that he wore a mask and held a lariat.
-Justin Hawk Bradshaw
Ironically enough. I thought this was probably his better time. He had a nice bullrope match with Savio Vega at an In Your House once. Let's see what this 'Great American Bash' Bullrope match is gonna be like (I'm not expecting much to be honest).
-The Jynx Brothers (Hardy Boyz)
Were they? It was good they changed their names then.
-Max Moon
Hailing from 'outer space'. Max Moon (Paul Diamond - the masked man from The Orient Express, entered Royal Rumble 1993. They didn't picked numbers next to each other because Diamond had an affair with Tatanka's wife!
-The Model (WWF)
Most effective at the end of 1990, beginning to mid 1991.
-Men on a Mission
Awful! What were they about? A bloke called 'Mabel'. Mabel became Viscera later on and still achieved no success.
-Nailz
A 'prisoner' who was supposed to have been abused by Bossman in 1992. He didn't last long (at least he lasted long enough to give Virgil a good hiding at Summerslam 1992, lol) as he accused Vince McMahon of 'sexual charges'.
-Naked Mideon
Yes . . . Well . . . Moving on.
-"Narcissist" Lex Luger
Intoduced before Royal Rumble 1993 (were Bobby Heenan goes all homoerotic) at Wrestlemania 8 but this time as a bodybuilder for WBC. The gimmick was dropped after Wrestlemania 9 in favour of a slightly more successful Hulk Hogan style gimmick.
-"The Natural" Butch Reed
He was more successful in other federations. Still, he beat Koko B Ware (only just if I remember correctly).
-New Midnight Express
-New Rockers
Revamped tag teams are awful. Full stop!
-The Oddities
This wouldn't have been a bad idea if they didn't give these guys the freakshow treatment. Kurgan joined with Golga (guy in a leather mask) and Giant Silva (a man that reminded me of El Gigante). They had a non too successful stint around 1998/ the beginning of 1999. Probably The Bushwhackers of the time.
-Outback Jack
Don't know him
-Papa Shango (Godfather; Kama)
As a shamen of sorts, I thought Papa Shango's gimmick was great - again, it was underused. I thought the Ultimate Warrior black goo thing was funny. As Kama and Godfather - awful gimmicks that didn't help poor Charles Wright at all.
-Sparky Plugg (Bob Holly)
I didn't think this was much of a gimmick as it didn't seem to affect his wrestling. He did alright, became 'Hardcore' Holly and had a stupid 'Hillbilly Jim' style family thing going on as well.
-Real Man's Man (Steven Regal)
Heh heh. It never suited him, did it? The gimmick lasted one P-P-V and that was Survivor Series 1998 (one of the worst ever IMO).
-Repo Man
Barry Darsow (Smash) in a mask. He could have been used much better than that.
-Ringmaster
Not a bad gimmick actually because it emphasised the wrestling, not distracted from it. He was managed by Ted Dibiase.
-Rhythm & Blues
Honky Tonk Man and Greg Valentine (hair died black). Only notable thing they did together was sing 'Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6 - so crap it's funny moment.
-Rocco (Legion of Doom's puppet)
Around Summerslam 1992. The WWF thought the Legion of Doom were too normal. Let's give them a puppet to use - bloody hell!
-Rockabilly
Billy Gunn before his 'New Age Outlaws' thing with Road Dogg. I think this gimmick only got one P-P-V shot as well.
-Rocky Maivia
Huh? The only gimmick here I suppose is that his dad is Rocky Johnson - which is true.
-The Red Rooster
I've said too much on this guy already.
-Salvatore Sincere
I think he appeared in Royal Rumble 1997. Haven't seen him since.
-Skinner
Steve Kiern gone bad. I remember him lose a one minute match with Owen Hart at Wrestlemania 8 - How bad is that?
-The Stalker (Barry Windham)
Barry Windham did better than this. I think he appeared in the gimmick battle royal.
-The Sultan
Fatu under a mask. I think they could have developed this gimmick quite well if the WWE wanted to. Entered gimmick battle royal as well I think.
-Tugboat
I know he entered the gimmick battle royal. Left the WWF after limited success as 'The Natural Disasters' for WCW as 'The Shockmaster'. His debut was probably the most funniest thing I ever saw on wrestling telly. Sting introduced him and an explosion occurred and a fake wall opened. The Shockmaster fell over and his mask fell off! Funny as . . .
-Warlord
Probably better with The Barbarian as 'The Powers of Pain'. He had to stop wrestling due to a car accident I think.
-Well Dunn
Lasted briefly for one P-P-V (Royal Rumble 1995)
-Who (Jim Nidehart)
Who? Heh heh. Didn't know Jim Niedhart played anyone else
-Isaac Yankem, DDS
Didn't do much apart from have a half decent match with Bret Hart at one of those In Your House things.
-Zeus
This was the WWF's why of trying to advertise another product (Hulk Hogan's movie called 'No holds barred' - I never watched it. Zeus (called 'Tiny' Lister) lasted from Summerslam 1989 to Survivor Series 1989. After that, he was heard from no more . . . Good job too. He stunk.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 9:40 am

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Event: King of the Ring Tournament 1985
Date: July 8, 1985
Location: Foxboro, Massachuttes
Arena: Sullivan Stadium
Attendence: 22,000

Tournament Match #1: Don Muraco defeated Junkyard Dog....Tournament Match #2: Les Thorton defeated Steve Lombardi....Tournament Match #3: Paul Orndorff and Bob Orton fought to a Double Disqualification....Tournament Match #4: Johnny Valiant defeated Pedro Morales....Tournament Match #5: Tito Santana defeated Terry Funk....Tournament Match #6: Jim Brunzell defeated The Spoiler....Tournament Match #7: Ricky Steamboat defeated Greg Valentine....Tournament Match #8: The Iron Shiek defeated B. Brian Blair....Quarter-final Match #1: Don Muraco defeated Les Thorton....Quarter-final Match #2: Pedro Morales receives a Bye....Quarter-final Match #3: Tito Santana defeated Jim Brunzell....Quarter-final Match #4: Iron Shiek defeated Ricky Steamboat....Semi-Final Match #1: Don Muraco defeated Pedro Morales....Semi-Final Match #2: Tito Santana defeated Iron Shiek....King of the Ring Finals: Don Muraco defeated Tito Santana.

Tournament Winner: Don Muraco


This was the first King of The Ring tournament. Perhaps the King of the Ring didn't mean anything before 1993, because in most cases it was never talked about on TV. This is one of those cases. Few probably remember this; fewer probably care. Not such a great tournament. What you would expect, with a strong babyface mid-carder.

King: Don Muraco
Final Rating: 5/10

Comments: Straight-up, Don Muraco was a bad choice for King. He did virtually nothing after winning his crown. A former Intercontinental champion in the final years of his career in the WWF. Ironically, Tito Santana won the WWF IC title on July 6, 1985. (Just 2 days before this) Muraco was never a WWF champion. He never captured ANY WWF titles during his reign as king, or after that. His biggest accomplishments were probably a steel cage match with Jimmy Snuka and making it into round 2 of the Wresltemania 4 title tournament.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 9:48 am

Event: King of the Ring Tournament 1986
Date: July 14, 1986
Location: Foxboro, Massachuttes
Arena: Sullivan Stadium
Attendence: 12,000

Tournament Match #1: Billy Jack Haynes defeated Iron Shiek....Tournament Match #2: Harley Race defeated George Steele....Tournament Match #3: Don Muraco and Roddy Piper fought to a Double Disqualification....Tournament Match #4: Nikolai Volkoff defeated Dan Spivey....Tournament Match #5: Junkyard Dog defeated Paul Orndorff....Tournament Match #6: Pedro Morales defeated Rudy Diamond....Quarter-final Match #1: Billy Jack Haynes defeated Mr. X....Quarter-final Match #2: Harley Race receives a Bye....Quarter-final Match #3: Nikolai Volkoff defeated Junkyard Dog....Quarter-final Match #4: Pedro Morales defeated Mike Rotundo....Semi-Final Match #1: Harley Race defeated Billy Jack Haynes....Semi-Final Match #2: Pedro Morales defeated Nikolai Volkoff....King of the Ring Finals: Harley Race defeated Pedro Morales.

Tournament Winner: Harley Race


Atleast people knew Harley Race WAS the King of the Ring! This is so sad though. A former NWA world champion stuck in a goofy "king" gimmick. Harley Race was a tough guy. Well-respected in this business. The WWF just wanted to embarass him cause they were jealous the NWA had success with this guy.

King: Harley Race
Final Rating: 7/10

Comments: Harley Race gets 7 because he shouldn't have won this tournament. First of all, he didn't need to win. He should have already been a main-event wrestler. Secondly, it was just to embarass him. It didn't add anything to his career, just took away from it. Thirdly, he had no success after winning this King of the Ring title. He never held ANY titles in the WWF, which is disgusting. To add further embarassment, at the 1987 slammy awards, a brawl erupted between Race and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. This was ridiculous because it made Race look like a joke.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 9:53 am

Event: King of the Ring Tournament 1987
Date: September 4, 1987
Location: Providence, Rhode Island
Arena: Providence Civic Center
Attendence: 12,000

Tournament Match #1: Randy Savage defeated Nikolai Volkoff....Tournament Match #2: Jim Brunzell defeated Ron Bass....Tournament Match #3: Danny Davis defeated Tito Santana....Tournament Match #4: Junkyard Dog defeated Islander Tama....Tournament Match #5: Islander Haku defeated Brutus Beefcake....Tournament Match #6: Rick Martel defeated Dan Spivey....Tournament Match #7: Special Delivery Jones defeates Sika....Tournament Match #8: King Kong Bundy defeated One Man Gang....Quarter-final Match #1: Randy Savage defeated Jim Brunzell....Quarter-final Match #2: Danny Davis defeated Junkyard Dog....Quarter-final Match #3: Islander Haku and Rick Martel fought to a Double Countout....Quarter-final Match #4: King Kong Bundy defeated Special Delivery Jones....Semi-Final Match #1: Randy Savage defeated Danny Davis....Semi-Final Match #2: King Kong Bundy receives a Bye....King of the Ring Finals: Randy Savage defeated King King Bundy.

Tournament Winner: Randy Savage


Things were a little better this time round. The WWF finally figured out how to do a proper tournament.

King: Randy Savage
Final Rating: 9/10

Comments: Why not 10? Because this was long before Savage switched to the "Macho King" gimmick. This was hardly spoken of on TV. Savage had major success after this tournament. He was in the midst of a babyface turn, so this was a help. This former IC champ would later go on to win another tournament, the Wresltmania IV title tourney to become the WWF champion. Nice job WWF.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 9:58 am

Event: King of the Ring Tournament 1988
Date: October 16, 1988
Location: Providence, Rhode Island
Arena: Providence Civic Center
Attendence: 6,700

Tournament Match #1: Ted DiBiase defeated Brutus Beefcake....Tournament Match #2: Ken Patera defeated Nikolai Volkoff....Tournament Match #3: Ron Bass defeated The Barbarian....Tournament Match #4: Shawn Michaels defeated Danny Davis....Tournament Match #5: Hercules and Bad News Brown fought to a Double Disqualification....Tournament Match #6: Randy Savage defeated Virgil....Tournament Match #7: Iron Mike Sharpe defeated Boris Zuhkov....Tournament Match #8: Terry Taylor defeated Marty Jannetty....Quarter-final Match #1: Ted DiBiase defeated Ken Patera....Quarter-final Match #2: Ron Bass defeated Shawn Michaels....Quarter-final Match #3: Randy Savage receives a Bye....Quarter-final Match #4: Terry Taylor defeated Iron Mike Sharpe....Semi-Final Match #1: Ted DiBiase defeated Ron Bass...Semi-Final Match #2: Randy Savage defeated Terry Taylor....King of the Ring Finals: Ted DiBiase defeated Randy Savage.

Tournament Winner: Ted DiBiase


This is very much like the Wresltmania IV tournament with both Savage and DiBiase making it to the finals again. On this night, it was the Million Dollar Man walking away with the victory. I am not familliar with this tournament, so I can't complain about the match results.

King: "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase
Rating: 6/10

Comments: I never even knew that Ted DiBiase was a King of the Ring. They surely never mentioned it after this. I don't have a problem with Ted DiBiase winning, but they should have atleast acknowleged it. DiBiase would go on to hold his "Million Dollar Championship" and numerous tag titles with partner IRS. 

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Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 10:06 am

For some unclear reason, harley Race was still walking around calling himself the King in early 1989. Just before he left the company a "King's Crown" match was held a Royal Rumble 1989 between Race and Haku. (Although not included on the VHS) Harley Race lost and Haku. If you watch Wresltmania V,you can see Haku in the king persona. Haku adopted his name as "King Haku". 

**Sometime before this tournament, Hacksaw Jim Duggan was walking around claiming to be the king. He was known as "King Duggan" and appeared at Summerslam '89 in the crown and robe. The rules were that if the King of The Ring (Haku) was ever pinned, the person who pinned him would become the new King of the Ring automatically. Duggan defeated him and thus became King of The Ring.** 

Event: King of the Ring Tournament 1989
Date: October 14, 1989
Location: Providence, Rhode Island
Arena: Providence Civic Center
Attendence: 4,500

Tournament Match #1: Akeem defeated Brutus Beefcake....Tournament Match #2: Hercules and Jim Neidhart fought to a Double Disqualification....Tournament Match #3: The Warlord defeated Butch Miller....Tournament Match #4: Tito Santana defeated Bad News Brown....Tournament Match #5: Rick Martel defeated Bill Woods....Tournament Match #6: Luke Williams defeated Nikolai Volkoff....Tournament Match #7: Jimmy Snuka defeated The Barbarian....Tournament Match #8: Haku defeated Terry Taylor....Quarter-final Match #1: Akeem receives a Bye....Quarter-final Match #2: Tito Santana defeated The Warlord....Quarter-final Match #3: Rick Martel defeated Luke Williams....Quarter-final Match #4: Jummy Snuka defeated Haku....Semi-Final Match #1: Tito Santana defeated Akeem....Semi-Final Match #2: Rick Martel defeated Jimmy Snuka....King of the Ring Finals: Tito Santana defeated Rick Martel.

Tournament Winner: Tito Santana


This was good, because this was just after the team of Strike Force (Martel and Santana) split up. It made sense to bring some attention to a mid-card feud.

King: Tito Santana
Rating: 7/10

Comments: Tito had limited success in his reign as King. He should have won back when he was wreslting Muraco a couple years ago. Martel would have made better use with this title. 1989 was a disapointing year. This puts the cherry on top of the 1989 icecream.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 10:37 am

In September of 1989, "Macho Man" Randy Savage pinned the King of The Ring Tito Santana. Macho Man thus became the King of The Ring and changed his name to "Macho King" Randy Savage. Sherri Martel, his valet became known as Queen Sherri. Savage propelled the King gimmick to new success. He took this role very seriously unlike some former kings. Savage had turned heel sometime before this, and it fit his turn very nicely.

In 1990, there was no king of the ring tournament. Savage still walked around calling himself the "Macho King" until Wresltmania VII in 1991 when he lost to the Warrrior and was forced to "Retire".

In 1991, the WWF held another non-ppv King of the Ring...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 10:43 am

Event: King of the Ring Tournament 1991
Date: September 7, 1991
Location: Providence, Rhode Island
Arena: Providence Civic Center
Attendence: 2,400

Tournament Match #1: Hawk defeated Jerry Sags....Tournament Match #2: Ricky Steamboat drew with Ted DiBiase....Tournament Match #3: Jim Duggan defeated Brian Knobbs....Tournament Match #4: Irwin R. Schyster defeated The Berzerker....Tournament Match #5: Skinner defeated Virgil....Tournament Match #6: Bret Hart defeated Pete Dougherty....Tournament Match #7: Sid Justice defeated The Warlord....Tournament Match #8: The Underetaker defeated Animal....Quarter-final Match #1: Jerry Saggs receives a Bye....Quarter-final Match #2: Irwin R. Schyster defeated Jim Duggan....Quarter-final Match #3: Bret Hart defeated Skinner....Quarter-final Match #4: Sid Justice and The Undertaker fought to a Double Disqualification....Semi-Final Match #1: Irwin R. Schyster defeated Jerry Saggs....Semi-Final Match #2: Bret Hart receives a Bye....King of the Ring Finals: Bret Hart defeated Irwin R. Schyster.

Tournament Winner: Bret Hart


Bret Hart made an excellent choice as king because this was just happening as he was getting his major singles push.

King: Bret Hart
Rating: 9/10

Comments: If they only had mentioned this on TV, it would have made such a bigger impact. Still nice to see they put the title on a guy who was going to achieve some success. Bret was the reigning IC champ at this time, a former tag champ and in 1992, would capture the WWF championship. Nice job again, WWF.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/24/04 at 10:45 am

Juanita - Hold up their a second Bad Gimmicks

Out of your bad gimmicks I'm gonna counter act that some of those were actually good.



-Ludvig Borga - I actually thought that the idea of Tony Whatever his last name is being a antiamericanist was a great idea. During his interviews he actually gave legitimate reasons why he was anti-American unlike the other antiamericans who just whined and complained about practically nothing. This gimmick was great and the only reason it didn't work is because he left so early.

-Doink The Clown, Dink The Clown - Bad? This was one of the best Characters of all time. Matt Bourne has a kickass idea when he invented Doink the Clown. He knew what he was doing here. Think about how hated Doink was when he was a bad guy. Everyone kid wanted to see Crush, Bret Hart, and Randy Savage just pummel the hell out of Doink. The only mistake made here was when Doink was turned into a good guy. Reason being is because Vince knew that Doink scared a lot of little kids.

-Ricky Steamboat (WWF) - How can you call one of the most popular and most talented wrestlers of all time a bad gimmick?

-The Genius (Lanny Poffo) - Hey it wasn't a great idea I'll agree but what else did the Leapin' Poet have left to do. He was always going to be reminded that his brother could do it but he couldn't. I'm glad he got that gimmick, I'm glad that he got to be in he spotlight a little bit too. By the way you see him on those infomercials with Tony Little and his gazeebo.

-Irwin R. Schyster (Mike Rotundo) - Never would I have thought that a Varisty Wrestler from Syracuse University would end up playing the part of a IRS agent. However I don't see why everyone gave him such a hard time. He did hold the Tag Team Title with Dibiase two times and he did have quite the following as a "bad guy".




-Dusty Rhodes (WWF) - The American Dream was extremely popular and well liked. The only thing wrong with the gimmick was that ugly bodysuit that rode up his fat butt with all those yellow polka dots.

-The Model (WWF) - This like Matt Bourne's Doink was an excellent idea. His entire wrestling career Rick Martle had to go through the constant reminder that he was good looking. All the girls would let him know of how sexy he was and the guys would ag it on as well. Yes, Martle was flattered but that wasn't what he wanted to be remembered by and I dare not say that he should not of been,  but he is also a great wrestler and should be remembered for that as well. When he decided to use the good looking part of himself to his advantage as a arrogant sexy "bad guy" that was one of the smartest moves a pro wrestler has ever made. Pure genious upon Rick's part.

-New Rockers - Marty Jannetty is one of my all time favorite wrestlers, and I'm not saying that he didn't deserve a little bit of what Vince McMahon shelled out to him. Jannetty was just as talented as Michaels or anybody else in the WWE. But McMahon not really caring to much for Jannetty put him as a jobber and put him with Al Snow as a jobber tag team. All this boils down to is that Jannetty had 3 chances at being a WWE star and blew it.  McMahon was never going to let him live that down.

-Papa Shango (Godfather; Kama) - This was a hell of a lot better gimmick than that stupid, sick, idea of being a Pimp. Papa Shango was a great idea. You have to remember that a lot of people who write on wrestlecrap.com(NOT SAYING THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION) view the wrestling world from RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. However for it's time Papa Shango was a great idea. He was a hated rulebreaker and when guys like Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior took him down people tuned in to see it.
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Rocky Maivia - He had a following and was very popular from the get go, once he upset HHH for the IC title his career shot straight up. Joining the Nation of Domination did not add to his character nor his popularity.



-The Stalker (Barry Windham) - Don't really have anything to say just thought I'd point out that he was a teammate of Mike Rotundo's on Syracuse's Varisity Wrestling team.


-Tugboat - He was in the Shadow of Hulk Hogan, and anybody that stands their will be nothing but crap gimmick because that's all Hogan and the fans would allow.

-Warlord - I always liked to watch this guy wrestle. Never really understood what he was supposed to be and I only heard him speak a few times. I thought he was an entertaining wrestler however. Whether he was actually a dumb person or just played the role escepsionally well I'll never know.


-Well Dunn - They were Jobbers and for what they are and what they were meant to be I see them as being a good gimmick. Timothy and Steven of Well Done, the Jobber Tag Team of the 90's!

-Who (Jim Nidehart) - How often do you here those new fans of the attitude era whine and complain everytime an "older" wrestler comes back to the WWE. Boo hoo hoo "He's old! He's Old! Whaaaaa." About everytime an "older" wrestler comes back right. By putting Jim Neidhart under a mask no one knew whether he was a brand spankin new guy or an older wrestler. This was a great idea. Although I'll say  that it's a mixture of the sort. Some of the younger guys are better than the older guys and some of the older guys are better than the younger guys.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 11:12 am

-Ludvig Borga - I actually thought that the idea of Tony Whatever his last name is being a antiamericanist was a great idea. During his interviews he actually gave legitimate reasons why he was anti-American unlike the other antiamericans who just whined and complained about practically nothing. This gimmick was great and the only reason it didn't work is because he left so early.


Ludvig Borga cut a promo at Summerslam '93. He dissed Lex Lugar, but never got anywhere near the main event. Some of his promos were okay, but in the ring this guy was a disaster. His match at Summerslam '93 with Marty Jannetty was a buffer match just thrown in there to use up time. The anti-american gimmick is a great gimmick, but pro-Finnish???? Bret Hart and the Hart Foundatio did a much better job at the Anti-American gimmick several years later. 




-Doink The Clown, Dink The Clown - Bad? This was one of the best Characters of all time. Matt Bourne has a kickass idea when he invented Doink the Clown. He knew what he was doing here. Think about how hated Doink was when he was a bad guy. Everyone kid wanted to see Crush, Bret Hart, and Randy Savage just pummel the hell out of Doink. The only mistake made here was when Doink was turned into a good guy. Reason being is because Vince knew that Doink scared a lot of little kids.


Understand that there are two Doinks. There is Matt Bourne and there is Steve Lombardi. The evil Doink in 1993 was okay, but a bit over the top. By the time he turned face and 1994 came around, and Dink The Clown was injected into the situation, the Doink character began to wear thin. At the end of the day, the business is "sports entertainment". Doink was great at "entertainment" but not so great at the "sports" part.



-Ricky Steamboat (WWF) - How can you call one of the most popular and most talented wrestlers of all time a bad gimmick?



In brackets, you see WWF. This refers to the time he spent in the World Wrestling Federation. In the NWA he was a popular wrestler. In the NWA he was a talented wrestler. He came to the WWF and on his first night there, everybody's like "who is this guy?". Popular, eh? And he basically just ruined his career by going to the WWF. Was Ricky Steamboat ever a WWF champion? No. Although he had a good feud with Savage, it wasn't the same Ricky Steamboat as it was in the NWA. In the WWF, he was always the helpless babyface, losing to mid-card heels. (eg. Wrestlemania IV title tournament; loss to Greg Valentine)



-The Genius (Lanny Poffo) - Hey it wasn't a great idea I'll agree but what else did the Leapin' Poet have left to do. He was always going to be reminded that his brother could do it but he couldn't. I'm glad he got that gimmick, I'm glad that he got to be in he spotlight a little bit too. By the way you see him on those infomercials with Tony Little and his gazeebo.


The Genius was again creted to embarass Lanny Poffo in the final days of his career.



-Irwin R. Schyster (Mike Rotundo) - Never would I have thought that a Varisty Wrestler from Syracuse University would end up playing the part of a IRS agent. However I don't see why everyone gave him such a hard time. He did hold the Tag Team Title with Dibiase two times and he did have quite the following as a "bad guy".

Mike Rotundo didn't need to walk around with a tie and a breifcase in order to get over. Again, Vice was jealous of the fact a wrestler had success outside of his company so, he lured him in and made a mockery out of him.



-Dusty Rhodes (WWF) - The American Dream was extremely popular and well liked. The only thing wrong with the gimmick was that ugly bodysuit that rode up his fat butt with all those yellow polka dots.


Dusty Rhodes was a former NWA champion. He didn't need a 300 pound manager or yellow polka dots to get over. Although not considered the greatest in-ring wreslter of all time, Dusty surely only did his career harm by going to work for Vince.



-The Model (WWF) - This like Matt Bourne's Doink was an excellent idea. His entire wrestling career Rick Martle had to go through the constant reminder that he was good looking. All the girls would let him know of how sexy he was and the guys would ag it on as well. Yes, Martle was flattered but that wasn't what he wanted to be remembered by and I dare not say that he should not of been,  but he is also a great wrestler and should be remembered for that as well. When he decided to use the good looking part of himself to his advantage as a arrogant sexy "bad guy" that was one of the smartest moves a pro wrestler has ever made. Pure genious upon Rick's part.

Rick Martel is a former AWA world champion. He only did his career harm by doing this gimmick. He didn't need to do this to get over.



-New Rockers - Marty Jannetty is one of my all time favorite wrestlers, and I'm not saying that he didn't deserve a little bit of what Vince McMahon shelled out to him. Jannetty was just as talented as Michaels or anybody else in the WWE. But McMahon not really caring to much for Jannetty put him as a jobber and put him with Al Snow as a jobber tag team. All this boils down to is that Jannetty had 3 chances at being a WWE star and blew it.  McMahon was never going to let him live that down.


I like Marty Jannetty too, but this was just stupid. The Rockers are Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty. No other combination will ever be as good, so it's a waste of time and essentially a bad gimmick. 




-Papa Shango (Godfather; Kama) - This was a hell of a lot better gimmick than that stupid, sick, idea of being a Pimp. Papa Shango was a great idea. You have to remember that a lot of people who write on wrestlecrap.com(NOT SAYING THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION) view the wrestling world from RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. However for it's time Papa Shango was a great idea. He was a hated rulebreaker and when guys like Bret Hart and Ultimate Warrior took him down people tuned in to see it.


Papa Shango was a cool gimmick, but still chocolate syrup flowing from one's eyes? "Puking" on a ring attendent? "Voodoo". Now, was Papa Shango ever a world champion? Why not? Hmmm.... And yes, this list is from wresltecrap.com, but the commentary was written by me.   

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Rocky Maivia - He had a following and was very popular from the get go, once he upset HHH for the IC title his career shot straight up. Joining the Nation of Domination did not add to his character nor his popularity.


But, it allowed him to explore the heel side of things and enough with the "Bluechipper" gimmick.


-The Stalker (Barry Windham) - Don't really have anything to say just thought I'd point out that he was a teammate of Mike Rotundo's on Syracuse's Varisity Wrestling team.

Yes, and Barry Windham is a former NWA/WCW world champion. The Staler jobbed on Superstars a few times...


-Tugboat - He was in the Shadow of Hulk Hogan, and anybody that stands their will be nothing but crap gimmick because that's all Hogan and the fans would allow.


Give me a break. It's a 400 pound guy who thinks he's a boat.



-Warlord - I always liked to watch this guy wrestle. Never really understood what he was supposed to be and I only heard him speak a few times. I thought he was an entertaining wrestler however. Whether he was actually a dumb person or just played the role escepsionally well I'll never know.


He was interresting...


-Well Dunn - They were Jobbers and for what they are and what they were meant to be I see them as being a good gimmick. Timothy and Steven of Well Done, the Jobber Tag Team of the 90's!

And if not for me renting the Royal Rumble 1995, I would have never known who they were...



-Who (Jim Nidehart) - How often do you here those new fans of the attitude era whine and complain everytime an "older" wrestler comes back to the WWE. Boo hoo hoo "He's old! He's Old! Whaaaaa." About everytime an "older" wrestler comes back right. By putting Jim Neidhart under a mask no one knew whether he was a brand spankin new guy or an older wrestler. This was a great idea. Although I'll say  that it's a mixture of the sort. Some of the younger guys are better than the older guys and some of the older guys are better than the younger guys.


Some guys just never will hang it up, will they?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 12:10 pm

In 1992, there was no King of the Ring tournament. If there was, I would have put it on Shawn Michaels, because he was also in the midst of a singles push. Shawn would have a made a good choice for king. By Survivor Series, he was in the main event wrestling Bret Hart. Shawn had an amazing year in 1992, going from a Rocker to a main-event player. Although, he did not win his Survivor Series match, it was a preview of what was to come many years later...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 12:42 pm

                                     A RANT ABOUT THE GREAT AMERICAN BASH...


http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/gab.jpg

Well seeing as how we only know 3 matches, this should be fun...

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/JBLvEddie.jpg

This is crap. Bullrope or not, it's gonna suck. It sucked at Judgement Day and it's gonna suck again. Who in the world even made this match? Nobody wants to see it. Bradshaw comes out of nowhere and all of a sudden is the number one contender? That's pathetic. And so was their last match. And the story line was crappy too. Is this match supposed to be a joke?


http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/23512.jpg

Who cares about this match? It means nothing. You can call it a casket crypt or whatever you want but it's not gonna change anything. It's garbage. Anybody who has nothing better to do with their lives then watch this needs to open their eyes and take a look at this trash. Who will win? Who cares...

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/23299.jpg

I don't think this match is worth 40 bucks to watch. WWE makes their PPV's look weak by announcing over half the matches two days before the PPV.


http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/1267408.jpg

This looks like fun...:p

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/24/04 at 5:59 pm

I think after the 80's they really misused guys like Tito Santana,Jimmy Superfly Snuka,Greg Valentine,Jim Neidhart,Virgil,Barbarian & The Warlord.They were jobbers at one time from what I remember.There was a match on All-American Wrestling 12 years ago where Jimmy Snuka took on the powerful Warlord on TV and Jimmy tried but Warlord came out on top with the running Bulldog and squashed him with a 1,2 AND 3. :) And also Greg Valentine took on Kato.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 6:05 pm


I think after the 80's they really misused guys like Tito Santana,Jimmy Superfly Snuka,Greg Valentine,Jim Neidhart,Virgil,Barbarian & The Warlord.They were jobbers at one time from what I remember.There was a match on All-American Wrestling 12 years ago where Jimmy Snuka took on the powerful Warlord on TV and Jimmy tried but Warlord came out on top with the running Bulldog and squashed him with a 1,2 AND 3. :) And also Greg Valentine took on Kato.


Oddly enough, I never classed either of The Powers of Pain as jobbers (even when they did job to people like British Bulldog or Bigbossman). I thought they were too good for that. Mind, Warlord always sucked in Royal Rumbles. Remember in Royal Rumble 1989 when he entered the ring and got clotheslined over the top straight after by Hulk Hogan? In fact, Warlord entered Rumbles 1989 to 1992 and was eliminated by Hogan 3 times in that period of time (Andre the giant eliminated Warlord in 1990). I still think he had a cool gimmick considering. Underdeveloped perhaps but pretty cool.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/24/04 at 6:07 pm

What's everyone think of the old King of The Ring tournament?


I used to enjoy watching King Of The Ring back in the days.I wish they'd bring it back instead we have to watch Bad Blood in lieu of it. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 6:42 pm


For some unclear reason, harley Race was still walking around calling himself the King in early 1989. Just before he left the company a "King's Crown" match was held a Royal Rumble 1989 between Race and Haku. (Although not included on the VHS) Harley Race lost and Haku. If you watch Wresltmania V,you can see Haku in the king persona. Haku adopted his name as "King Haku". 

**Sometime before this tournament, Hacksaw Jim Duggan was walking around claiming to be the king. He was known as "King Duggan" and appeared at Summerslam '89 in the crown and robe. The rules were that if the King of The Ring (Haku) was ever pinned, the person who pinned him would become the new King of the Ring automatically. Duggan defeated him and thus became King of The Ring.** 


Hmm! There seems to be confusion here, Juanita and I understand where it is coming from. The WWF threaded two ideas together. 'The King of The Ring' Tournament was to be king for a year but Harley Race continued the gimmick beyond the next tournament and so the tournament kind of lost it's way as Harley Race became the gimmick the tournament was responsible for. So despite Tito Santana winning King of the Ring, it didn't mean much in this new context. This seems to be another example of the WWF running away with themselves and trusting the fans don't care too much for error. The only way I understand the conditions of the Harley Race's 'King' title is that, like any other title, it had to be a specified match (it must have been that way otherwise we would have had 'King Hercules' as he pinned King Haku just before Haku lost the title to 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan.

Here is Gordon Solie's website for the WWF King title list:

http://www.solie.org/titlehistories/kingwwf.html

It makes a lot of sense.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 6:50 pm


What's everyone think of the old King of The Ring tournament?
I used to enjoy watching King Of The Ring back in the days.I wish they'd bring it back instead we have to watch Bad Blood in lieu of it. >:(


My honest opinion is I think Badd Blood is crap. It has the same format - rubbish matches occur before a hell in a cell match.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 7:14 pm

Ludvig Borga cut a promo at Summerslam '93. He dissed Lex Lugar, but never got anywhere near the main event. Some of his promos were okay, but in the ring this guy was a disaster. His match at Summerslam '93 with Marty Jannetty was a buffer match just thrown in there to use up time. The anti-american gimmick is a great gimmick, but pro-Finnish???? Bret Hart and the Hart Foundatio did a much better job at the Anti-American gimmick several years later. 

I agree entirely. The whole idea was a cynical attempt to make Lex Luger the new 'Hulk Hogan'.

In brackets, you see WWF. This refers to the time he spent in the World Wrestling Federation. In the NWA he was a popular wrestler. In the NWA he was a talented wrestler. He came to the WWF and on his first night there, everybody's like "who is this guy?". Popular, eh? And he basically just ruined his career by going to the WWF. Was Ricky Steamboat ever a WWF champion? No. Although he had a good feud with Savage, it wasn't the same Ricky Steamboat as it was in the NWA. In the WWF, he was always the helpless babyface, losing to mid-card heels. (eg. Wrestlemania IV title tournament; loss to Greg Valentine)

Ricky Steamboat started off at the first Wrestlemania in 1985 against - would you believe it? Matt 'Doink' Bourne. I think he had a minor feud with Hercules as well pinning him at the second Wrestlemania. I'm not too sure what you saying Juanita but Ricky Steamboat was no overnight success at Wrestlemania 3.

Mike Rotundo didn't need to walk around with a tie and a breifcase in order to get over. Again, Vice was jealous of the fact a wrestler had success outside of his company so, he lured him in and made a mockery out of him.

How far do you go back, Juanita? Mike Rotunda achieved success with the WWF before Wrestlemania 1 by achieving the tag titles with Barry Windham as, credit to Harmonica for reminding me in previous posts, the US Express.

Dusty Rhodes was a former NWA champion. He didn't need a 300 pound manager or yellow polka dots to get over. Although not considered the greatest in-ring wreslter of all time, Dusty surely only did his career harm by going to work for Vince.

This is what you have to remember about the WWF at the time. As I mentioned in previous posts, they were catering for kids back then. Despite being the juicing toughnut you saw in NWA/WCW, Vince wanted it all toned down. The money must have been good for Dusty otherwise he wouldn't have looked like such a wally.

Rick Martel is a former AWA world champion. He only did his career harm by doing this gimmick. He didn't need to do this to get over.

He probably earned more money off that gimmick than he did as AWA world champion. Remember that some wrestlers treat the wrestling business as that - a business.

I like Marty Jannetty too, but this was just stupid. The Rockers are Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty. No other combination will ever be as good, so it's a waste of time and essentially a bad gimmick. 

I'm agreeing with this as well. Why pair up Luke and then, say Blake Beverley and call them 'The New Bushwhackers'? It's pointless.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/24/04 at 7:26 pm

Juanita. I would like to point out that putting P-P-V results on the thread is only going to clog it up. We can get those easily from here (some of where I back my information on):

http://www.softwolves.pp.se/wrestling/wwf/

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/24/04 at 11:31 pm

How far do you go back, Juanita? Mike Rotunda achieved success with the WWF before Wrestlemania 1 by achieving the tag titles with Barry Windham as, credit to Harmonica for reminding me in previous posts, the US Express.\
And that's my point. He didn't need to be "IRS" to have success. He didn't have to walk around in a goofy tax-man gimmick in order to be a tag team champion.

Vince was catering to a younger audience, but there are smart business decisions and there are poor ones. You can't let the audience dictate what decisions you make. A smart booker knows what the fans want and knows how to give it to them.

Don't you think it's a bit insulting to have to watch the police man vs. the ex-con. Keep in mind that WCW never resorted to this style of "entertainment" in the early 90's. WCW was presenting great wrestling involving the likes of Ric Flair, Sting, Arn Anderson, etc. Meanwhile, WWF were resorting to gimmicks to try to attract an audience. WCW was about two WRESTLERS WRESTLING. WCW had a large fan base of their own. They were able to create a product that entertained both kids and adults alike without creating cheesy gimmicks like "The Red Rooster". Notice that most wrestlers just used their real name in WCW. They didn't need nicknames or stage names. This worked. How come WWF felt the need to over populate the federation with gimmicks?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/25/04 at 6:05 am

And that's my point. He didn't need to be "IRS" to have success. He didn't have to walk around in a goofy tax-man gimmick in order to be a tag team champion.

Your point was that Vince was jealous because Rotunda had success outside of the federation. I doubt it. Rotunda had more success in the federation (which was why I explained that he held the tag titles with Barry Windham just a little before Wrestlemania 1. Vince probably saw that Rotunda was successful and he fitted around Vince's plans - whether that was to be a taxman, a clown or a viking.  ;D

Vince was catering to a younger audience, but there are smart business decisions and there are poor ones. You can't let the audience dictate what decisions you make. A smart booker knows what the fans want and knows how to give it to them.

Juanita, you must appreciate how ridiculous this sounds. 'You can't let the audience dictate what decisions you make' but 'a smart booker knows what the fans want'. What if the audience/fans (I lump them together - they pay Vince regardless) want stupid gimmicks like clowns, vikings and undertakers? A smart booker realises that if that is what the fans/audience wants, that is what they will get. It is happening now (audience/fans like raunchy ladies, high spots and loads of blading) and Vince was catering to a fan base back then.

Don't you think it's a bit insulting to have to watch the police man vs. the ex-con. Keep in mind that WCW never resorted to this style of "entertainment" in the early 90's. WCW was presenting great wrestling involving the likes of Ric Flair, Sting, Arn Anderson, etc. Meanwhile, WWF were resorting to gimmicks to try to attract an audience. WCW was about two WRESTLERS WRESTLING. WCW had a large fan base of their own. They were able to create a product that entertained both kids and adults alike without creating cheesy gimmicks like "The Red Rooster". Notice that most wrestlers just used their real name in WCW. They didn't need nicknames or stage names. This worked. How come WWF felt the need to over populate the federation with gimmicks?

I appreciate your viewpoint, Juanita and I think it depends on your perspective. I found WCW in the early 1990s to be horrendous (Great American Bash 1991 anyone?). WCW did resort to gimmicks, Juanita but they were embarrassing to watch. Remember the awful 'three faces of fear'? (Kevin Sullivan, Meng and Barbarian), The Shockmaster? The search for Cactus Jack because he had amnesia, Johnny B Badd, The Yellow Dog (Brian Pillman under a mask?), Oz (Kevin Nash under a match), Vinnie Vegas (another Kevin Nash persona), Col 'Pitbull' Pitman, Van Hammer, The Nightstalker -  even Ric Flair had to resort to the 'Scorpion' gimmick! To say that WCW didn't use or need to resort to gimmicks is false. They were just awful, unsuccessful gimmicks and sometimes WCW tried to copy WWF - Charlie Norris (the same gimmick as Tatanka) and Renegade (looked very similar to The Ultimate Warrior) are just a few . . .

As for me, I would rather watch a policeman gimmick than a guardian angel gimmick.  :-\\


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/25/04 at 9:41 am

All of this nostalgia is making me sad, I long for the old days when pro wrestling was good. Hell now a days I find more enjoyment paying 7 bucks to go see a local independent show than I do going to see WWE. That's sad. Reminisce, that's about all I can do. I am optomistic though, I think the glory of wrestling will be back someday. Maybe not in the WWE, but it will be back some day.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/25/04 at 4:19 pm

Nobody can argue that what WCW did in 1996-1997 was successful because the ratings don't lie. While WCW was presenting wrestling (Mysterio, Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, etc.) the WWF was resorting back to their gimmicks again. Yes, WCW used gimmicks, but some of what you mention are angles. The Black Scorpion was an angle to set up a match between Ric Flair and Sting. Cactus Jack having amnesia was an angle to set up a match between him and Vader and it made snse too. With the exception of the main event wrestlers (Hogan, Hall, Nash, Savage, etc.) WCW was presenting a much better wrestling product then the WWF in those years.

The 1991 Great American Bash was a disaster, but you can't blame WCW. Their current world champion, Ric Flair, was going to go work for the WWF and due to legal reasons, had a falling-out with WCW. What were they supposed to do? Just abandoned the title? No, they had to crown a new world champion and the only way to do that was to have a match between the current No. 1 contender (Lex Lugar) and the No. 2 contender (Barry Windham). Yes the match sucked, but they couldn't just re-write the whole PPV and go back to square 1. They had to improvise. When was the last time you saw a scaffold match in the WWF?

The WWF's breaking up of the Rockers was a direct copy of the WCW's breaking up of the Rock n' Roll Express.

It is happening now (audience/fans like raunchy ladies, high spots and loads of blading) and Vince was catering to a fan base back then.


Raunchy ladies? If you want raunchy ladies watch Jerry Springer.  >:( Maybe this explains why the product sucks now. The crap the WWE is dishing out on a weekly basis is beyond belief. Anyone paying $40.00 to watch 14 WWE PPV's a year is an airhead. Smackdown! sucks, and it's because the show is polluted with crap like the Undertaker/Dudleyz, and JBL. This is NOT what all fans want. Some fans want *wrestling*. The marks may like the violence and ladies, etc., but who is world is gonna order the Great American Bash because the "Divas are hosting". Like who gives a crap. Watching that is time well wasted. Every year this company's product gets worse and worse and it's because of garbage like this. The Great American Bash may very well be the WWF's worst PPV ever. You don't need blading, raunchy ladies and high spots to produce a successful company. This may be what the "Stone Cold era fans" may want, but crap like that is what drove WCW out of business. If good wrestling was presented on a weekly basis, you would see a jump in the ratings.


Mike Rotunda's Success Outside of the WWF:

-NWA Tag Team Champion (With Steve Williams)
-NWA TV Champion
-NWA TV Champion
-Florida State Champion
-Florida State Champion
- On March 15, 1987, Rotundo defeated Ed Gantner in Daytona, FL to regain the Florida title. The title was held up, but Rotunda won it back by defeated Dory Funk Jr. on June 7, 1987

Mike Rotunda was never a WWF champion. Mike Rotunda was never a WWF Intercontinental Champion. He never held a singles title in the WWF. This proves he had more success individually outside of the WWF. All he did in the WWF was team, and then had a short run as a singles competitor. There's no reason on God's Green Earth Mike Rotunda wasn't good enough to hold a secondary singles title in that company. He did in the NWA. Why not in the WWF? Why did the WWF feel the need to make him into a tax-man? He didn't need to be a tax-man to hold the NWA TV Championship on two occasions.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/25/04 at 4:47 pm

Look, Juanita. I am on your side on this matter (if you saw my previous posts you would understand) but I have to play Devil's Advocate to show you why Vince does what he does. Say you had a promotion and only 40% of your potential interest are turning up to P-P-Vs, you would want to increase the success of your promotion by using strategies to increase ticket sales. If more people turned up because there was the promise of raunchy women, high spots and lots of blading then you would make it happen to get that 60% back (using lowest common denominator reasoning). The quandary for Vince IMO is where does he go from here? If the fans leave because they have had enough then (at the risk of sounding like Hulk Hogan now) what's he gonna do to try to draw them back again? Make raunchy women have sexual intercourse in the ring? All he needs is a fresh perspective and to understand how he made this sport great in the first place to draw those people back, ironically, probably with the minimum effort.

Like Harmonica said in a previous post, I join you all in angst over what has happened to wrestling (I can do without raunchy women, tons of high spots and blading as well . . .) but I can understand why it has happened. You know, we mention The Red Rooster a lot in these posts but he (Terry Taylor) said something special in an interview: He said that the audience have been allowed beyond the ring, to the locker room, involved in wrestling politics when the audience has no right to be there - they are merely the audience. Once that happened (I think WCW started that off as well), the magic of wrestling was ruined.

I suggest you watch wrestling from NOAH in Japan (if you have TWC on Sky). It is wonderful even if I do not know any of the wrestler's names. The ring psychology is incredible in almost every single match. In America, I think I can recommend ROH (Ring of Honour) which provides some lovely stuff by lots of wrestlers like AJ Styles, Amazing Red and Samoa Joe (Stupid name but great wrestler).

I don't recommend NWA-TNA which is starting to look like WCW before it went bankrupt . . .

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/25/04 at 5:03 pm

You talk about the magic of wrestling being ruined Bobby, and you have got one hell of a point. I love learning of how Scott Steiner got 6th Place at the NCAA wrestling championships for the University of Michigan his senior year at 190 lbs. I love hearing of how The Patriot was a varsity football player at South Carolina University. I like knowing these facts about the pro wrestlers, however it does take a way a little from the magic. When I was little Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior were real to me, and even to the older fans who watched at the time. Yes the older fans who watched didn't figure that the Warrior sprinted through the airport beating his chest when he got on the airplaine, but here the names Terry Bollea and Jim Hellwig they meant nothing.

Red Rooster and Doink the Clown were gimmicks and yeah they may of been silly but they were respectable and clean they were part of the "acting" field of pro wrestling and that's what pro wrestling is "characterization". WWE lacks so much of that "characterization" when you got every wrestler acting the same and saying the same things the audience is going to start changing the channel no matter how good the matches are.

Vince McMahon once said when WWE got rid of it's gimmicks and started to go towards the attitude appeal, "We hear at the WWF feel that the auidence is sick of having their intelligence insulted"  Well Vinny Mac you can insult my intelligence until your blue in the face but what really bothers me is that you've insulted my values and my morality.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/25/04 at 5:56 pm

Nobody can argue that what WCW did in 1996-1997 was successful because the ratings don't lie. While WCW was presenting wrestling (Mysterio, Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, etc.) the WWF was resorting back to their gimmicks again. Yes, WCW used gimmicks, but some of what you mention are angles. The Black Scorpion was an angle to set up a match between Ric Flair and Sting. Cactus Jack having amnesia was an angle to set up a match between him and Vader and it made snse too. With the exception of the main event wrestlers (Hogan, Hall, Nash, Savage, etc.) WCW was presenting a much better wrestling product then the WWF in those years.

I am not arguing that WCW from 1996 - 1998 were successful. They had the WWF/E reeling for some time. I was commenting on your point about WCW around the 1991 - 1995 period and that they had no gimmicks, which they did and I provided examples. The Cactus Jack angle was ludicrous and this epstein guy agrees with me: http://www.angelfire.com/nj/jackepstein/cactus.html

The 1991 Great American Bash was a disaster, but you can't blame WCW. Their current world champion, Ric Flair, was going to go work for the WWF and due to legal reasons, had a falling-out with WCW. What were they supposed to do? Just abandoned the title? No, they had to crown a new world champion and the only way to do that was to have a match between the current No. 1 contender (Lex Lugar) and the No. 2 contender (Barry Windham). Yes the match sucked, but they couldn't just re-write the whole PPV and go back to square 1. They had to improvise. When was the last time you saw a scaffold match in the WWF?

If the Great American Bash was a disaster then what does that show about WCW around that time? It showed that WCW relied too heavily on a select amount of wrestlers when they shouldn't have done. My opinion is that regardless whether Flair left or not, the P-P-V would still have been rubbish. WWF have had to make changes over the years to suit departures and injuries and, granted the P-P-V wasn't always as good as intended but it would cope with changes and adapt a lot better than WCW. I am not playing a WWF Vs WCW thing with you - that has been done countless times before and, in a lot of ways, preferred ECW. I am stating that when things go pear-shaped with WCW it couldn't seem to regroup and make the best of a bad situation - this was why WCW isn't WCW anymore. Not because of bankruptcy (Ted Turner owned the company!) but because Turner simply got bored of the project when he realised it wasn't the successful monster it was 3 years or so before.

The WWF's breaking up of the Rockers was a direct copy of the WCW's breaking up of the Rock n' Roll Express.

Alright. Organisations steal each other's ideas from time to time. How many times do I see the referee get knocked down only for a heel to reverse a face's pin attempt? Some ideas are so obvious, that every federation uses them. I'm sure another federation will copy the same idea in time.

Raunchy ladies? If you want raunchy ladies watch Jerry Springer.  >:( Maybe this explains why the product sucks now. The crap the WWE is dishing out on a weekly basis is beyond belief. Anyone paying $40.00 to watch 14 WWE PPV's a year is an airhead. Smackdown! sucks, and it's because the show is polluted with crap like the Undertaker/Dudleyz, and JBL. This is NOT what all fans want. Some fans want *wrestling*. The marks may like the violence and ladies, etc., but who is world is gonna order the Great American Bash because the "Divas are hosting". Like who gives a crap. Watching that is time well wasted. Every year this company's product gets worse and worse and it's because of garbage like this. The Great American Bash may very well be the WWF's worst PPV ever. You don't need blading, raunchy ladies and high spots to produce a successful company. This may be what the "Stone Cold era fans" may want, but crap like that is what drove WCW out of business. If good wrestling was presented on a weekly basis, you would see a jump in the ratings.

I agree with all this.

Mike Rotunda's Success Outside of the WWF:

-NWA Tag Team Champion (With Steve Williams)
-NWA TV Champion
-NWA TV Champion
-Florida State Champion
-Florida State Champion
- On March 15, 1987, Rotundo defeated Ed Gantner in Daytona, FL to regain the Florida title. The title was held up, but Rotunda won it back by defeated Dory Funk Jr. on June 7, 1987

Mike Rotunda was never a WWF champion. Mike Rotunda was never a WWF Intercontinental Champion. He never held a singles title in the WWF. This proves he had more success individually outside of the WWF. All he did in the WWF was team, and then had a short run as a singles competitor. There's no reason on God's Green Earth Mike Rotunda wasn't good enough to hold a secondary singles title in that company. He did in the NWA. Why not in the WWF? Why did the WWF feel the need to make him into a tax-man? He didn't need to be a tax-man to hold the NWA TV Championship on two occasions.


Heh heh. This is a misconception people have about wrestling. They think that wrestlers actually do it for the titles. Titles, like talk, is cheap - it means very little to a wrestler outside the ring and will not provide food on the table for their families. A title may provide a wrestler with more money than a mid-card grappler, but if that company goes belly-up because they have a champion that doesn't deserve to be a champion (oh hello David Arquette . . . ) and interest plummets, then no wrestler in that organisation gets paid. It is money they are interested in above all and I reckon Mike Rotunda earnt more money in WWF than he ever did with those titles in NWA. Why do you think so many wrestlers jumped ship to the WCW in the mid 90s - certainly wasn't for titles I can assure you.  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/25/04 at 6:14 pm

You talk about the magic of wrestling being ruined Bobby, and you have got one hell of a point. I love learning of how Scott Steiner got 6th Place at the NCAA wrestling championships for the University of Michigan his senior year at 190 lbs. I love hearing of how The Patriot was a varsity football player at South Carolina University. I like knowing these facts about the pro wrestlers, however it does take a way a little from the magic. When I was little Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior were real to me, and even to the older fans who watched at the time. Yes the older fans who watched didn't figure that the Warrior sprinted through the airport beating his chest when he got on the airplaine, but here the names Terry Bollea and Jim Hellwig they meant nothing.

For once, Harmonica, I'm going to give credit to Terry 'Red Rooster' Taylor for that 'hell of a point'. I read it yesterday in an interview that I wish I could remember the website to credit. It should have been obvious to me earlier - sometimes you need someone to spell it out for you.  ;D

Red Rooster and Doink the Clown were gimmicks and yeah they may of been silly but they were respectable and clean they were part of the "acting" field of pro wrestling and that's what pro wrestling is "characterization". WWE lacks so much of that "characterization" when you got every wrestler acting the same and saying the same things the audience is going to start changing the channel no matter how good the matches are.

You are correct. Some gimmicks were stupid but at least you could see the characterisation (which is what WWE needs). This is why WCW failed around 1991 - 1994. Because people didn't care about ordinary Arn Anderson or ordinary Barry Windham (despite being excellent wrestlers). Who were their main draws? A guy with make-up on and a guy with a flamboyant robe and bleach blond hair.

What makes people, like Jake Roberts who didn't even win a title in the WWF, become such a legend? Because that man had character! He was distinctive and people knew who he was before he got in the ring. (Wasn't that entrance music superb?) That man is a genius of ring psychology and represented, IMO, everything that was right in the WWF.

Vince McMahon once said when WWE got rid of it's gimmicks and started to go towards the attitude appeal, "We hear at the WWF feel that the auidence is sick of having their intelligence insulted"  Well Vinny Mac you can insult my intelligence until your blue in the face but what really bothers me is that you've insulted my values and my morality.

I reckon Vince got on the 'we hate gimmicks' bandwagon that was probably started by the introduction of Doink the Clown in 1993. He got a lot of stick for that (along with Giant 'El Gigante' Gonzalas) but I don't think the gimmick was the problem. It was the two Doink scenario that wasn't executed properly at Wrestlemania 9. It just wasn't explained properly apart from 'It's an illusion'. A lot of fans want their intelligence insulted, that is not the problem. We can all suspend belief for three hours while we watch an excellent wrestling programme - I don't mind that.

Your last line is wonderful, Harmonica and one that true wrestling fans the world over would read and agree with.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/25/04 at 7:42 pm

http://www.cooldudesandhotbabes.com/graphics/robertsmain.jpg


I kinda like this picture of him.He has a website where he discusses his likes and dislikes of RAW and Smackdown and believe me,he has a lot on his mind on both shows and they aren't that good.Things sure changed after he left 7 years ago. :o



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/25/04 at 7:45 pm

I think silly gimmicks should just go.Mordecai,Rosey and Hurricane,a Rich man,an old man,a dead man,whatever.WWF's just not the same anymore. ::) >:( Anybody wanna reminesce? :(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/25/04 at 11:13 pm

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/017.jpg

Does this include steroids?  ???

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/26/04 at 2:20 am


I think silly gimmicks should just go.Mordecai,Rosey and Hurricane,a Rich man,an old man,a dead man,whatever.WWF's just not the same anymore. ::) >:( Anybody wanna reminesce? :(


Howard


Funny you should mention these wrestlers. Rosey has not only a stupid gimmick, he's a bad wrestler too. Stupid gimmicks or not, it's indide the ring that counts. The fans can recognise good wrestlers and they wanna get behind people like that. Mordecai is a stupid gimmick too. Although the promos look great, isn't this kind of dejavu? Remember Outback Jack? All the promos, then the in-ring debut was horrible? Remember Glaicer? All the promos, then the in-ring debut was horrible?

The WWE is not the same anymore. Everyone has their own theories about how to bake a cake. Some people think you should break the egg first and others think you should pour the milk first. Just like eveybody has their own theories about the WWE. Some people think Chris Benoit should be champion and others think Chris Jericho should be champion. The reason for the WWE's lack of excitment is not a simple soulution like....take the title off of Guerrero. No, it runs much deeper then that. Let us not forget how boring wrestling would be without gimmicks. Take a look at Brock Lesnar's Survivor Series team. Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, they all look the same! Short hair and trunks. No variation. It's boring. There's no flavour. You need to distinguish your wrestlers and gimmmicks are a good way of doing this. Now there is a such thing as going over-the-top and polluting your roster with cheesy 1985 gimmicks, like The Oil Droplet vs. The Water Droplet. But a gimmick here and there doesn't hurt. Variation is the key to success. That way, everyone's happy. Maybe this is what the WWE is lacking these days?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 5:11 am


http://www.cooldudesandhotbabes.com/graphics/robertsmain.jpg
I kinda like this picture of him.He has a website where he discusses his likes and dislikes of RAW and Smackdown and believe me,he has a lot on his mind on both shows and they aren't that good.Things sure changed after he left 7 years ago. :o


A good picture, Howard. He had more hair then so I am guessing it's from 1991 or thereabouts. Jake spelt out exactly what was wrong in a magazine I stood in WH Smiths reading, lol. He said that 'Vince was prostituting the business with his shock techniques'. Needless to say, Jake remains a permanent influence on my wrestling outlook.

I believe the website is called: http://jakethesnakeroberts.tv/

It's not bad. Sometimes it's a little incomprehensible but the critique is neccessarily harsh .

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 5:14 am


http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/017.jpg

Does this include steroids?  ???


Lol. This was at a time wrestlers pictures were shown with anti-drugs messages on WWF magazine. It's quite a shame that they didn't follow their own examples. Maybe the WWF were that naive, that they thought the steroid abuse wasn't an issue.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 5:42 am

Funny you should mention these wrestlers. Rosey has not only a stupid gimmick, he's a bad wrestler too. Stupid gimmicks or not, it's indide the ring that counts. The fans can recognise good wrestlers and they wanna get behind people like that. Mordecai is a stupid gimmick too. Although the promos look great, isn't this kind of dejavu? Remember Outback Jack? All the promos, then the in-ring debut was horrible? Remember Glaicer? All the promos, then the in-ring debut was horrible?

I have heard of some of these guys but not seen them in action. I remember an excellent promo for Nathan Jones (I genuinely got excited about watching this guy wrestle) but the whole thing was a big dissapointment. As for Rosie, he is quite pathetic but at least what you see is what you get with Rosie and, in comparison works better (despite using a gimmick that doesn't suit him - and yet again, another guy with a woman's name  ???) than say Batista, who has all that potential and is wasted continuously.

The WWE is not the same anymore. Everyone has their own theories about how to bake a cake. Some people think you should break the egg first and others think you should pour the milk first. Just like eveybody has their own theories about the WWE. Some people think Chris Benoit should be champion and others think Chris Jericho should be champion. The reason for the WWE's lack of excitment is not a simple soulution like....take the title off of Guerrero. No, it runs much deeper then that.

I prefer to talk about how the wrestlers and promoters can improve their shows not go into tiresome monologues of how Chris Benoit is better than Shawn Michaels so he should keep the WWE title. The way I see it, if the wrestlers show themselves to be hard-workers, they deserve the belts - IMO, if Rob Van Dam can get his act together, they should give him a title shot.

Let us not forget how boring wrestling would be without gimmicks. Take a look at Brock Lesnar's Survivor Series team. Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, they all look the same! Short hair and trunks. No variation. It's boring. There's no flavour. You need to distinguish your wrestlers and gimmmicks are a good way of doing this. Now there is a such thing as going over-the-top and polluting your roster with cheesy 1985 gimmicks, like The Oil Droplet vs. The Water Droplet. But a gimmick here and there doesn't hurt. Variation is the key to success. That way, everyone's happy. Maybe this is what the WWE is lacking these days?

A surprising turnaround from 'No gimmicks needed' Juanita.  ;)

My standpoint on this is that there should be a rich mixture of characters (both ordinary and extraordinary) who are self-assured in the ring. The ordinary make the extraordinary more flamboyant and the flamboyant can make the ordinary look as interesting in a realistic way, putting the 'sport' in 'sports entertainment'. There should be no boundaries of character and that could determine a federation's success or not. If the crowd can not be empathetic towards the wrestlers involved, then they are not going to care about what goes on in the ring. See it this way, it doesn't have to take much. Roddy Piper - he wasn't a Batista, Matt Morgan or Nathan Jones. He was a self confessed 'skinny guy' struggling to weigh 240 pounds. He only wore a kilt as a 'gimmick' (understandably since he was born in Scotland - though the tartan changed constantly) but his personality and what he did in the ring was what the audience loved about him - IMO, he was the original Steve Austin. It's a shame he had to go on radio and admit he was a drug addict. Still, get well, Roddy.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 5:56 am


I think silly gimmicks should just go.Mordecai,Rosey and Hurricane,a Rich man,an old man,a dead man,whatever.WWF's just not the same anymore. ::) >:( Anybody wanna reminesce? :(


Be careful what you are saying there, Howard. Silly gimmicks have been a theme throughout the WWF's 'golden period' (anyone remember 'The Boxing Turtles' lol!) so, in some ways, it is the same, lol!  ;D

I will do some reminiscing with you, Howard. Do you remember that match between 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper and 'Ravashing' Rick Rude? I think it appeared on Saturday Night Live at the end of 1989, beginning of 1990. At one stage they were whipping each other with leather straps and there was a great spot where both went over the cage and hit the arena floor at the same time. Unlike the screw job endings that take place now, they were both sent into the cage for a conclusive ending - that is how a steel cage match should be played out. :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/26/04 at 12:03 pm


http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/017.jpg

Does this include steroids?  ???


Wow,those were the days.That clipping I believe was from 1987 before steroids. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/26/04 at 12:06 pm

Let's reminesce about the international gimmicks such as Canadian,French,Spanish,Russian,so on and so forth.Who's gonna start? :D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/26/04 at 2:16 pm

I'd rather have a picture of the Ultimate Warrior telling me not to do drugs than I would of Stone Cold Steve Austin encouraging me to drink.

Kid's and a lot of people pay attention to what you say and do inside the WWE what Steve Anderson Williams and James Warrior Hellwig do on their own time, people really don't pay much attention to. Although I'll say that when I see that Texas Tornado sign that say's say no to drugs it makes me mad knowing that he was a junkie in his own right.

it's all part of the magic.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/26/04 at 2:58 pm

I wish I could have found a Hogan one... ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 3:36 pm


Wow,those were the days.That clipping I believe was from 1987 before steroids. :)


The Ultimate Warrior's first P-P-V was at the Royal Rumble in 1988, Howard. This looks like a picture from the end of 1988 to 1989. I remember seeing a very similar picture on the front of the Royal Rumble 1989 video cover.

Steroids have been going for a long time, Howard (probably before 1987). One of the side-effects of steroids abuse is baldness (partial or full). I have to ask you this question, how long has Hulk Hogan been bald?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 3:39 pm


I'd rather have a picture of the Ultimate Warrior telling me not to do drugs than I would of Stone Cold Steve Austin encouraging me to drink.


I agree. Part of the agreeability factor of wrestling was it's sense of morals. Interestingly, since the WWE's reversal of morals, it's fortunes have reversed as well. I'm not sure how coincidental that is.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/26/04 at 4:53 pm

I started watching pro wrestling at a very early age. I'm talking I was young enough to think that everything was real. The funny thing here is that you'd think that I'd of been smart enough to know that if those wrestlers were really going full boar that Bob Backlund would never of won over Bastien Booger and No man could get that beat up and walk around like he was fine but it wasn't that, that finally made me realize that their is a art, an act to pro wrestling it was the drug scandels and more importantly, it was when I saw Roddy Piper team with Jimmy Sunka, a man who not to long ago he hated. Or when I saw Sgt Slaughter team with Duggan, then I knew something wasn't real their.

Speaking upon the subject any of you ever heard of real fights between the pro wrestlers? Arn Anderson and Sid got into it at a hotel once and stabbed eachother with scissors. Nikita Koloff and Sting got into for real once when Sting insulted Nikita's wife.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/26/04 at 7:01 pm


I started watching pro wrestling at a very early age. I'm talking I was young enough to think that everything was real. The funny thing here is that you'd think that I'd of been smart enough to know that if those wrestlers were really going full boar that Bob Backlund would never of won over Bastien Booger and No man could get that beat up and walk around like he was fine but it wasn't that, that finally made me realize that their is a art, an act to pro wrestling it was the drug scandels and more importantly, it was when I saw Roddy Piper team with Jimmy Sunka, a man who not to long ago he hated. Or when I saw Sgt Slaughter team with Duggan, then I knew something wasn't real their.

Speaking upon the subject any of you ever heard of real fights between the pro wrestlers? Arn Anderson and Sid got into it at a hotel once and stabbed eachother with scissors. Nikita Koloff and Sting got into for real once when Sting insulted Nikita's wife.


I was also young when I started watching wrestling (about 10 years old), Harmonica. My first P-P-V was, darn it, Wrestlemania 3! I wish I saw that last because it was the best P-P-V (and still is in my opinion) that I have ever seen. The atmosphere, the wrestling, the magnitude of the event - it was all there. I have measured every Wrestlemania against it and, so far, only the main event of Wrestlemania 6 and the career ending match at Wrestlemania 7 has dared to reach that standard of electricity (oddly enough, 'Machoman' Randy Savage and Ultimate Warrior feature twice in this decision - I'm still unbiased though). I was one of the few that found Wrestlemania 12 to be a bore (especially the 'Ironman snorefest') and Wrestlemania 1 to have a decent main event (Hulk Hogan and Mr T Vs Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff).

You are right. If these guys really wanted to lay into each other with stiff punches, the match would probably only last a few minutes (consider UFC). You know about the Roddy/Snuka partnership at Survivor Series 1989, I went with that because it showed me that people can bury the hatchet despite differences in the past - what I saw wrong was when Roddy Piper came back last year and brought the whole thing back up again with no reason whatsoever other than to set up with a feud with Rikishi! That is when you know there is something wrong, not with wrestling, but with the script writers.

As for wrestlers having 'heat' with each other, yes Sid Vicious and Arn Anderson had fights involving scissors (of all things). I know Max Moon and Tatanka had to be kept away from each other (as mentioned in a previous post) in 1993, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels I guess and the Hulk Hogan/'Machoman' Randy Savage thing. There are others I'm sure . . .

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/27/04 at 8:57 am

Max Moon as in Paul Diamond or Max Moon as in Konnan?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/27/04 at 9:02 am


Max Moon as in Paul Diamond or Max Moon as in Konnan?


Max Moon as in Paul Diamond. Konnan didn't last that long. A shame really because I think he may have given the gimmick a good go. He stood a better chance at that than being a 'Filthy Animal' with Rey Misterio.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/27/04 at 10:11 am

how long has Hulk Hogan been bald?


Probably for quite a long time now.  ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/27/04 at 10:19 am

http://powerbombwrestling.freeservers.com/images/austinb.jpg


Steve Austin telling people to stay away from drugs:

"What"? Stay Away From Drugs,What",It's Bad For Ya,What? Don't Do Drugs,What? ;D ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/27/04 at 10:24 am

Last Night I went to MSG for WWF Monday Night Raw On A Saturday Evening and let me tell you,me and a group of friends we were walking to The Garden and all of a sudden this girl comes up to me and I'm wearing a Shawn Michaels shirt and she goes ga-ga over me and says that he's a hunk and stuff and I was trying to get away from her so I was looking to see if she was gonna follow me or not but damn the City is full of kooky people.She must've been either a plant or was most likely drunk at the time. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 06/27/04 at 12:16 pm

What about Big Poppa Pump: The Steroid Freak?  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/27/04 at 3:57 pm

And the said thing about Scott is that he was unbelievably built well before he took steroids. 

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/27/04 at 6:16 pm


http://powerbombwrestling.freeservers.com/images/austinb.jpg

Steve Austin telling people to stay away from drugs:

"What"? Stay Away From Drugs,What",It's Bad For Ya,What? Don't Do Drugs,What? ;D ;D


Steve Austin. Living proof that speech gimmicks should never be touched.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/27/04 at 6:23 pm


And the said thing about Scott is that he was unbelievably built well before he took steroids. 


Absolutely. In the late 80s, he was of a stocky power wrestler style build. He had to be with all those belly-to-belly suplex's (he probably did the most awesome belly-to-belly suplex's ever), double-arm powerbombs and tilt-a-whirl suplex's he did (they were awesome at the time - probably still look pretty good). He is probably the only big man I know who did a hurricanrana (he called it the 'Frankinsteiner' - another move that was ahead of it's time for US wrestling grapple fans).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/28/04 at 2:47 pm

Scott was built in college as well. Not hear as thick but he had a set of arms on him.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/28/04 at 7:20 pm


how long has Hulk Hogan been bald?

Probably for quite a long time now.  ???


Exactly my point, Howard.  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/28/04 at 7:23 pm

And the said thing about Scott is that he was unbelievably built well before he took steroids.  

No wonder they called him Big Poppa Pump. ::)


I haven't seen Scott in such a very long time.Where the hell is he? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/28/04 at 7:26 pm

Anyone see Great American bash last night? This is one of the pictures from GAB with Paul Bearer screaming for his life.



http://thegreatamericanbash.wwe.com/images/23646


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/28/04 at 7:29 pm


And the said thing about Scott is that he was unbelievably built well before he took steroids.  

No wonder they called him Big Poppa Pump. ::)


I haven't seen Scott in such a very long time.Where the hell is he? ???


IMO who cares. Trying to find a personality somewhere, lol.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/28/04 at 7:30 pm




IMO who cares. Trying to find a personality somewhere, lol.  ;D



Yeah.Who Cares.I wouldn't be suprised if they released him. ::) He was an awful worker. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/28/04 at 7:31 pm


Anyone see Great American bash last night? This is one of the pictures from GAB with Paul Bearer screaming for his life.

http://thegreatamericanbash.wwe.com/images/23646


I didn't see it, Howard. It was on P-P-V and I have no interest in shelling out money for what often turns out to be a mediocre event.

Did anybody else see it and more importantly, for the love of God, was it any good?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/28/04 at 7:32 pm


Yeah.Who Cares.I wouldn't be suprised if they released him. ::) He was an awful worker. :P


Freakzilla? More like Weakzilla! Lol. He doesn't make any attempt to inspire the crowd with his wrestling like he used to.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/28/04 at 7:33 pm




I didn't see it, Howard. It was on P-P-V and I have no interest in shelling out money for what often turns out to be a mediocre event.

Did anybody else see it and more importantly, for the love of God, was it any good?


from my hotline,he said it was ok but not that great.Bradshaw is the new WWF champion and Paul Bearer got stuffed with cement.That is the picture you just saw from up above where he's screaming for his life. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/28/04 at 7:37 pm

http://www.bootydaddy.com/graphics/gallery4/04pumped_r1_c3.gif


Weakzilla? Now,who's Weakzilla! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/29/04 at 4:26 am


http://www.bootydaddy.com/graphics/gallery4/04pumped_r1_c3.gif
Weakzilla? Now,who's Weakzilla! ;D


Ha ha! Weak as in awful worker rather than physique.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/29/04 at 8:32 am

But litterally I think that it did make him overall physically weaker. Look at him when he wrestlers, he's lost almost all of his flexibility, and believe me, the more flexible you are the more your able to use your muscles. Scott looks as stiff as a board and he looks like his back hurts him all the time. I don't think he's any stronger than he was in the early 90's I just think he looks a whole lot sickining more muscular. Probably never see the Frankensteiner again.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/29/04 at 4:13 pm

Ok,here is another picture.remember this one:

http://www.thewrestlingview.com/tenta.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 06/29/04 at 6:44 pm


Ok,here is another picture.remember this one:

http://www.thewrestlingview.com/tenta.jpg


Ha ha! Rikishi didn't start the 'stink face' after all. I reckon Earthquake (I have heard recently that John Tenta (Earthquake) is battling cancer at the moment - we wish you a speedy recovery) and Rikishi are more flexible than Scott Steiner is at the moment. You are right, Harmonica. He has lost that athletic energy he used to have, I suppose with all that muscle mass, it must be difficult to walk upright and wrestle let alone bounce around the ring.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 06/30/04 at 6:33 pm

That's Earthquake battling The Big Boss Man in 1990.But here is another picture.Remember this? ;D


http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9945/hoganbootband1.jpg

Pastamania? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 06/30/04 at 9:14 pm

lol here's another funny one. 

"Ladies and Gentleman running for president(Music starts to roar) THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR"

He Runs down, and clotheslines George Bush then does a flying tackle to John Kerry.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/01/04 at 4:58 pm


lol here's another funny one. 

"Ladies and Gentleman running for president(Music starts to roar) THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR"

He Runs down, and clotheslines George Bush then does a flying tackle to John Kerry.


Gosh. He seems to have aged. He reminds me of someone else . . .

What is funny about this picture is they just address him as WARRIOR.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/01/04 at 5:00 pm


That's Earthquake battling The Big Boss Man in 1990.But here is another picture.Remember this? ;D

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9945/hoganbootband1.jpg

Pastamania? ;D


That looks like his days in WCW, Howard. That man is incredible - Is there anything he wouldn't advertise.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/01/04 at 6:28 pm

Funny Wrestling Pictures lol.  This one's not really all that funny, but I always wondered whether people that were together for a while as a tag team or manager type situation were friend after they broke up due to gimmick changes, storylines, or changing of careers be it retireing, being fired or jumpin ship to another fed.

Anyway I take it Ted and Virgil are still buds.



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/01/04 at 8:23 pm


lol here's another funny one. 

"Ladies and Gentleman running for president(Music starts to roar) THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR"

He Runs down, and clotheslines George Bush then does a flying tackle to John Kerry.



That is the most ugliest picture I've ever seen of the Warrior.Oh God Oh Mighty! :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/01/04 at 8:25 pm


Funny Wrestling Pictures lol.   This one's not really all that funny, but I always wondered whether people that were together for a while as a tag team or manager type situation were friend after they broke up due to gimmick changes, storylines, or changing of careers be it retireing, being fired or jumpin ship to another fed.

Anyway I take it Ted and Virgil are still buds.




Virgil should've never taken Dibiase crap in the first place. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/01/04 at 8:29 pm

http://members.tripod.com/~retro4/Crushdoink.jpg

Crush vs.Doink The Clown 11 years ago. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/02/04 at 10:32 am

11 years?  My oh my where does the time go?  I long for those days of pro Wrestling so often. I don't know if I'll ever forgive McMahon for creating the attitude era, he destroyed that magic of pro wrestling for me. He destroyed something I love for a few extra $'s. I pray for the old days to come back, and I'm not saying that I want the same guys that were their 10, 15 years ago, although some still have it just as much or more than the younger guys. I want the new guys like Christian, Edge, Triple H, Batista, Beniot, Jericho, and all the rest to be in a federation wrestling like it was the old days, good guys Vs Bad guys. Enough with this attitude crap.

Here's what I want to see again, right here.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/02/04 at 7:53 pm


11 years?  My oh my where does the time go?   I long for those days of pro Wrestling so often. I don't know if I'll ever forgive McMahon for creating the attitude era, he destroyed that magic of pro wrestling for me. He destroyed something I love for a few extra $'s. I pray for the old days to come back, and I'm not saying that I want the same guys that were their 10, 15 years ago, although some still have it just as much or more than the younger guys. I want the new guys like Christian, Edge, Triple H, Batista, Beniot, Jericho, and all the rest to be in a federation wrestling like it was the old days, good guys Vs Bad guys. Enough with this attitude crap.

Here's what I want to see again, right here.


I'm with you on that, Harmonica. I doubt we will see the like again though. 

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/02/04 at 8:35 pm


11 years?  My oh my where does the time go?   I long for those days of pro Wrestling so often. I don't know if I'll ever forgive McMahon for creating the attitude era, he destroyed that magic of pro wrestling for me. He destroyed something I love for a few extra $'s. I pray for the old days to come back, and I'm not saying that I want the same guys that were their 10, 15 years ago, although some still have it just as much or more than the younger guys. I want the new guys like Christian, Edge, Triple H, Batista, Beniot, Jericho, and all the rest to be in a federation wrestling like it was the old days, good guys Vs Bad guys. Enough with this attitude crap.

Here's what I want to see again, right here.



But Now,John Cena now has that symbol on his own hat but with the F cut off.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/02/04 at 8:38 pm

http://members.tripod.com/~retro4/Doink.jpg


with his partner Dink,here comes DOINK THE CLOWN.... ;D :D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/03/04 at 2:33 pm




I didn't see it, Howard. It was on P-P-V and I have no interest in shelling out money for what often turns out to be a mediocre event.

Did anybody else see it and more importantly, for the love of God, was it any good?


No, I did not see it, but I can tell you that it was one of the worst PPV's in the history of PPVs. Right up there with "Heros of Wrestling".

In case anyone was wondering, Paul Bearer was no where near the concrete during the PPV. All up close shots of him, like the one in the pic on the other page were filmed earlier in the afternoon, and edited into the PPV later that night. There was an actor who potrayed Paul Bearer and he was the one  who was "suffocated". As soon as the PPV went off the air, the actor was removed from the concrete "crypt". What a hoax. Here's the proof:

http://greatbash.theedge.homeip.net/gab.rm


JBL winning the title is pathetic. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Guerrero's gonna win it back in two weeks. This PPV was disgustingly horrible. So bad, I won't discuss it further. Anyone wanna place bets on how long till Paul's back?  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/03/04 at 2:38 pm

RAW has a much better product. How's everybody felling about Vengeance right now?

The main event on RAW this week will likely be a six-man tage team match with Randy Orton, Batista and Triple H taking on Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho and Edge...or something like that. :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/04/04 at 10:19 am

The wrestling part of Raw is superior, Juanita, it's just that they need more of IT, and less of the other B.S. they have during the show.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/04/04 at 10:53 am

RAW has a much better product. How's everybody felling about Vengeance right now?


RAW is a better product.Smackdown sucks! :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/04/04 at 10:56 am

http://www.wrestlingphotos.net/WWF/hennpiper1cr.JPG


Piper vs.Perfect picture.  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/04/04 at 3:31 pm


RAW has a much better product. How's everybody felling about Vengeance right now?


I'm not feeling too inspired by it, Juanita (what I know of the event). The sleeper match of the night may be Edge Vs Randy Orton. How many times have we seen Chris Benoit Vs HHH? (Yawn!). If they put Rob Van Dam against Benoit, I might have been tempted.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/04/04 at 3:33 pm

Howard, your picture featured two of the most entertaining wrestlers in perhaps WWF (E) history. Rest in peace, Curt - You did a fine job.  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/04/04 at 9:50 pm

Yes, I am not to pleased about the WWE's PPV websites. They announce over half the card the night before the PPV and then don't post results or pics of the PPV until 8 days later!  >:( Thank goodness for other wrestling websites...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/05/04 at 6:24 am


Yes, I am not to pleased about the WWE's PPV websites. They announce over half the card the night before the PPV and then don't post results or pics of the PPV until 8 days later!  >:( Thank goodness for other wrestling websites...


Absolutely. I can depend on Rajah.com. The site that has P-P-V results the night after the event has happened.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/05/04 at 10:59 am

http://members.fortunecity.com/mstaker/raw2-19-01/images/raw2-19-_025_jpg.jpg


picture of Undertaker chokeslamming Edge February 19th,2001.^^ ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/05/04 at 6:14 pm


http://members.fortunecity.com/mstaker/raw2-19-01/images/raw2-19-_025_jpg.jpg
picture of Undertaker chokeslamming Edge February 19th,2001.^^ ;D


All I can see, Howard is a 'Fortune City' logo.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/05/04 at 11:36 pm

I think it's supposed to be a joke...ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...



I don't get it... ???

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/06/04 at 5:10 pm

Well,I definitely see Undertaker chokeslamming Edge.Anyways,here is another picture:


http://outsiders4life.8m.com/scotthall/hall55.jpg



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/06/04 at 6:35 pm


Well,I definitely see Undertaker chokeslamming Edge.Anyways,here is another picture:

http://outsiders4life.8m.com/scotthall/hall55.jpg


I can see that one, Howard. Why you want to put a picture of Scott Hall up is anyone's guess.  ;D

I can see a facial resemblance between you and him, Howard.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/06/04 at 6:49 pm

No way that Scott Hall resembles me. ??? ;D

http://members.fortunecity.com/gov/bretgol.jpg

Bret Hart vs.Goldust (1996)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/06/04 at 8:24 pm

I don't know why you posted Hart putting Goldust in the Sharpshooter but I can only use my own imagination to assume why.  It reminds me the days of Papa Shango, Doink the Clown, Berzerker, Nailz, Jean Pierre Lefiet, and all the rest to the "bad guys"and how Bret the Hitman Hart was always their to slap the sharpshooter on them and let "good" prevail once again.

I miss the old days of wrestling oh so bad, whoa oh whoa so bad.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/06/04 at 11:17 pm

WCW pics


http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/ShaniaPic2/benoit41.jpg

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/ShaniaPic2/benoit43.jpg



HOG WILD!!!! :D

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/shaniapic/ShaniaPic2/benoit49.jpg

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 07/07/04 at 2:36 pm

I just noticed....Why are we Wresting??

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/07/04 at 5:30 pm


I don't know why you posted Hart putting Goldust in the Sharpshooter but I can only use my own imagination to assume why.  It reminds me the days of Papa Shango, Doink the Clown, Berzerker, Nailz, Jean Pierre Lefiet, and all the rest to the "bad guys"and how Bret the Hitman Hart was always their to slap the sharpshooter on them and let "good" prevail once again.

I miss the old days of wrestling oh so bad, whoa oh whoa so bad.


You idealist you.  ;D

To be honest, that was what made wrestling great. It was like reading your favourite comic as a kid where the good kid would overcome his bully (well, if you read any comics from Fleetway, you may understand  ;D). I think The Undertaker may be the only link to the WWFs golden days. I would have said 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper and Hulk Hogan last year but, of course, they came and went.

Papa Shango was such a good gimmick. If the creative writers put more research into him and plot development, he would have been brilliant. Nailz on the other hand suffered by just being crap (I don't think I saw that man do anything more than punch or choke someone). Still, it would have put a different complexion on Royal Rumble 1993 (both wrestlers were meant to wrestle in the Rumble but pulled out). Who knows what would have happened if the Ultimate Warrior stayed for a bit longer (he left the WWF shortly before Survivor Series 1992).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/07/04 at 5:33 pm


No way that Scott Hall resembles me. ??? ;D


I checked your sig pic with Scott Hall. All you need is a tan and a bit of stubble and you can be 'the bad guy'.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 07/07/04 at 6:43 pm

Don't forget to say "Yo, Chicko!"

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/07/04 at 6:58 pm


Don't forget to say "Yo, Chicko!"


Get yourself a toothpick as well, Howard. The girls will fancy you (maybe).  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 07/07/04 at 7:02 pm




Get yourself a toothpick as well, Howard. The girls will fancy you (maybe).  :D


Either that or a kid!!!  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/07/04 at 8:59 pm


I just noticed....Why are we Wresting??


*puts Rush in the sharpshooter* ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/07/04 at 9:01 pm




Get yourself a toothpick as well, Howard. The girls will fancy you (maybe).  :D



The girls will fancy me with or without toothpicks. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/07/04 at 9:05 pm

http://wrestle.ru/photo/jimduggan/images/08.jpg

HOOO! Big Guy! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/07/04 at 10:40 pm

Did Duggan ever make you wonder if he was retarded?  I used to think he was when I was little. I remember Jesse Ventura and Bobby Heenan making fun of Duggan all the time and I'd agree with them. Man the guy was stupid.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/08/04 at 9:22 am


The girls will fancy me with or without toothpicks. ;D


Too right, m'lad.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/08/04 at 9:23 am


*puts Rush in the sharpshooter* ;D


Heh heh.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/08/04 at 9:27 am


Did Duggan ever make you wonder if he was retarded?  I used to think he was when I was little. I remember Jesse Ventura and Bobby Heenan making fun of Duggan all the time and I'd agree with them. Man the guy was stupid.


Duggan, believe it or not, was acting in an exagerated character of himself. He was one of those shrewd wrestlers that saw the business as a business (which was probably why he lasted in the WWF for so long (1987 - 1993) and rarely recieved a title shot. Oddly enough about the same length of time as Jake Roberts). However, I can't forgive him for his infamous snot scene at Wrestlemania 5.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/08/04 at 8:28 pm


Did Duggan ever make you wonder if he was retarded?  I used to think he was when I was little. I remember Jesse Ventura and Bobby Heenan making fun of Duggan all the time and I'd agree with them. Man the guy was stupid.


I remember he always talked way too fast and stuck out his tongue. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/08/04 at 8:37 pm

http://members.tripod.com/~retro4/rarekane2.jpg


Old Kane or Issac Yankem. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/08/04 at 9:08 pm


I remember he always talked way too fast and stuck out his tongue. :P


Talked too fast? I knew he talked too loud. That delirious stuck out tongue smile made me laugh. It makes you wonder what idea Vince had to portray Hacksaw as the flag-waving patriot.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/08/04 at 11:24 pm

All I know is that when it comes to pro wrestling I'd take Duggans Hooooooooooooos! over the Godfathers any day of the week.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 07/09/04 at 6:55 am

Saw a great match the other night, Ric Flair and Triple H against the Edge and Chris Benoit (spelling?).  There was a retarded guy, forgot his name, who HHH manipulated to help his team.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/09/04 at 8:18 am


Saw a great match the other night, Ric Flair and Triple H against the Edge and Chris Benoit (spelling?).  There was a retarded guy, forgot his name, who HHH manipulated to help his team.


I reckon that's Eugene, bj26. He has been getting a lot of intention from HHH as of late.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/09/04 at 8:21 am


All I know is that when it comes to pro wrestling I'd take Duggans Hooooooooooooos! over the Godfathers any day of the week.


The thing with Duggan is that he can control a crowd by doing the most simplest of actions. HHH wishes he could do that!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/09/04 at 6:04 pm




Talked too fast? I knew he talked too loud. That delirious stuck out tongue smile made me laugh. It makes you wonder what idea Vince had to portray Hacksaw as the flag-waving patriot.  ;D



I guess Vince wanted to portray him as a happy flag waving patriot.I remember he used to team with Sgt.Slaughter which was an awful tag team. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/09/04 at 6:06 pm




I reckon that's Eugene, bj26. He has been getting a lot of intention from HHH as of late.



Eugene reminds me of an old Mankind back in the days. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/09/04 at 6:13 pm

http://www.celebrity-wallpaper.com/wallpaper/hulkhogan6.jpg

"Oops,sorry Warrior I didn't mean to give you the boot,Brother"  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/09/04 at 6:59 pm


Well,wrestling was better 10 years ago in the early 90's when you had the cool gimmicks but now you have Mordecai,A guy who prays to a sickle and makes crappy speeches,John Layfield,A Ted Dibiase wannabe who always talks trash & who always thinks he's better than everyone,Chavo Classic,A guy who so old,he's way past his prime,Bikini Matches should be done away with,I think WWF should start putting black bars over the girls who now wear shorter outfits.  >:( What do you think?


Howard
In real life, Ted DiBiase was a decent guy who went out of his way to help the less fortunate...far from his ring personas!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/09/04 at 7:04 pm

How about Lex Luger? I always thought he was an awesome wrestler,as well as having one h*** of a gorgeous body!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/09/04 at 7:14 pm

Does anyone here remember Starrcade '91(year?)with the three ring battle royal? I used to have a promotional poster for that P-P-V that I got from my cable company's old bill-payment center! And who was responsible for bringing that loose cannon STEVE'MONGO'McMICHAEL into the Four Horsemen?Yes I still think Reggie White got what he deserved-a beating with a Halliburton metal briefcase-coz he was stupid enough to take on LOOSE CANNON Mongo!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/09/04 at 7:53 pm

Tony20fan4ever - Ted Dibiase is a great guy. You should check out his sight sometime. Milliondollarman.com, now beware it's a religious site, not a pro wrestling site. I emailed Ted one time to see if he and Mike Rotundo his old partner (IRS) in the WWE ever talked anymore, or if they were friends. He said that he talks to Rotundo when he gets the chance, and always enjoyed teaming with him. Dibiase is a priest/minister now and talks with young people a lot. If you ever wonder if Wrestlers themselves would like to see pro wrestling go back to they way it was, Dibiase is one of them.

Lex Luger on the other hand is a horrible guy. He was a horrible wrestler and for the most part a horrible person. I never did and never will see why Steve Bordon (Sting) thought so highly of Larry Pfhol(Lex Luger). Luger hid behind Sting in the WCW and only got pushes because I personaly believe that if WCW would of gotten rid of Luger that it would of made Sting mad and they didn't want to make their number one draw mad. When Luger went to the WWE he had nothing going for him so they tried to make him all U.S.A. and when that didn't work they tried to have the British Bulldog make him look good in a tag team.  Luger was also acused of the murder of Elizabeth, not saying that's true, but I've heard "True" bad things about Luger in the past.

The Loose Cannon was actually Brian Pillman. Reggie White wasn't the one that got a beating with the metal breifcase it was Kevin Greene, from what I remember anyway.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/09/04 at 7:57 pm


I guess Vince wanted to portray him as a happy flag waving patriot.I remember he used to team with Sgt.Slaughter which was an awful tag team. :P


What sucked about Sgt Slaughter was how quick they turned him from being a heel to a face. After Summerslam 1991, Slaughter had redeemed himself almost overnight (after all that dreadful flag burning and stuff) by showing pictures of him saluting American statues ( ???). By Survivor Series 1991, he was a fully blown face! He left the ring after Wrestlemania 8 to do other duties within the WWF. Slaughter was getting on even around Summerslam 1990 (when he first made his appearance on P-P-V with Brother Love) and had been wrestling for a long time.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/09/04 at 7:59 pm


http://www.celebrity-wallpaper.com/wallpaper/hulkhogan6.jpg

"Oops,sorry Warrior I didn't mean to give you the boot,Brother"   ;D


From one of the best matches ever (well . . . Behind the Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat V 'Machoman' Randy Savage match  ;D).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/09/04 at 8:00 pm


Tony20fan4ever - Ted Dibiase is a great guy. You should check out his sight sometime. Milliondollarman.com, now beware it's a religious site, not a pro wrestling site. I emailed Ted one time to see if he and Mike Rotundo his old partner (IRS) in the WWE ever talked anymore, or if they were friends. He said that he talks to Rotundo when he gets the chance, and always enjoyed teaming with him. Dibiase is a priest/minister now and talks with young people a lot. If you ever wonder if Wrestlers themselves would like to see pro wrestling go back to they way it was, Dibiase is one of them.

Lex Luger on the other hand is a horrible guy. He was a horrible wrestler and for the most part a horrible person. I never did and never will see why Steve Bordon (Sting) thought so highly of Larry Pfhol(Lex Luger). Luger hid behind Sting in the WCW and only got pushes because I personaly believe that if WCW would of gotten rid of Luger that it would of made Sting mad and they didn't want to make their number one draw mad. When Luger went to the WWE he had nothing going for him so they tried to make him all U.S.A. and when that didn't work they tried to have the British Bulldog make him look good in a tag team.  Luger was also acused of the murder of Elizabeth, not saying that's true, but I've heard "True" bad things about Luger in the past.

The Loose Cannon was actually Brian Pillman. Reggie White wasn't the one that got a beating with the metal breifcase it was Kevin Greene, from what I remember anyway.
McMichael also knocked Reggie White senseless with that briefcase! Probably an extension(in mongo's mind)of the Packers-Bears feud in football!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/09/04 at 8:02 pm


Does anyone here remember Starrcade '91(year?)with the three ring battle royal? I used to have a promotional poster for that P-P-V that I got from my cable company's old bill-payment center! And who was responsible for bringing that loose cannon STEVE'MONGO'McMICHAEL into the Four Horsemen?Yes I still think Reggie White got what he deserved-a beating with a Halliburton metal briefcase-coz he was stupid enough to take on LOOSE CANNON Mongo!


Are you thinking of a P-P-V WCW did around the mid 90s called 'World War 3'? That showed a 3 ring battle royal. I never saw the P-P-V but I wish I did.

I didn't get a chance to Steve 'Mongo' McMichael.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/09/04 at 8:10 pm

Tony20fan4ever - Ted Dibiase is a great guy. You should check out his sight sometime. Milliondollarman.com, now beware it's a religious site, not a pro wrestling site. I emailed Ted one time to see if he and Mike Rotundo his old partner (IRS) in the WWE ever talked anymore, or if they were friends. He said that he talks to Rotundo when he gets the chance, and always enjoyed teaming with him. Dibiase is a priest/minister now and talks with young people a lot. If you ever wonder if Wrestlers themselves would like to see pro wrestling go back to they way it was, Dibiase is one of them.

Ted Dibiase had been wrestling for the WWF for a long time (late 70s) before his big push as 'The Million Dollar Man' (I have a match between Hulk Hogan and Ted Dibiase dating back to 1979 - Hulk Rules DVD). In fact, I think it was through Dibiase's hard work that McMahon gave him the push. Ted (like Jake Roberts) is definitely old school about the direction of wrestling - and he is so right.

Lex Luger on the other hand is a horrible guy. He was a horrible wrestler and for the most part a horrible person. I never did and never will see why Steve Bordon (Sting) thought so highly of Larry Pfhol(Lex Luger). Luger hid behind Sting in the WCW and only got pushes because I personaly believe that if WCW would of gotten rid of Luger that it would of made Sting mad and they didn't want to make their number one draw mad. When Luger went to the WWE he had nothing going for him so they tried to make him all U.S.A. and when that didn't work they tried to have the British Bulldog make him look good in a tag team.  Luger was also acused of the murder of Elizabeth, not saying that's true, but I've heard "True" bad things about Luger in the past.

I never liked Lex Luger either Harmonica and it goes beyond the face/heel thing. You know when you get a vibe about someone? The Luger/Elizabeth thing reaks of suspicion in my eyes but, fortunately for him, I am not the jury and executioner.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/09/04 at 8:38 pm


How about Lex Luger? I always thought he was an awesome wrestler,as well as having one h*** of a gorgeous body!



until he went to jail..! >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/09/04 at 10:17 pm

Mongo fought Reggie White at Slamboree 1997.  ::)


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/09/04 at 11:16 pm

Why did Vince unplug RVD's Pepsi Machine?
He was getting to many pops

What did Vince find at the dump?
Some Great American Trash

Why did Triple H insist on sleeping at the top of the bunk bed?
Because he doesn't like putting people over

What does Big Show's contract have in common with diamonds?
It lasts forever  :o (2009)

What does JBL have in common with a shopping cart?
They both are always getting pushed

Why did Vince have Chris Benoit arrested?
Because he was getting 'high' (on the card)


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/10/04 at 4:02 am

I had no idea Lex Luger was really evil.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/10/04 at 11:34 am


I had no idea Lex Luger was really evil.



What he did to Miss Elizabeth made him notorious in some sort of way. >:(




Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/10/04 at 11:43 am

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/pecan/797/two.jpg


When Steve Austin fought Big Show.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/10/04 at 12:14 pm


What he did to Miss Elizabeth made him notorious in some sort of way. >:(


Is it a full conclusion that Luger was involved in the death of Elizabeth?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/10/04 at 12:16 pm




Is it a full conclusion that Luger was involved in the death of Elizabeth?


Yes,I believe so. :(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/10/04 at 3:46 pm

Anyone here remember Degeneration X(Chyna,HHH,Sean Michaels)or the Dangerous Alliance with Paul E. Dangerously as their manager?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/10/04 at 6:49 pm

I thought Degeneration X brought out the worst in Shawn Michaels but that's just my opinion. I like the Rocker, I like HBK good or bad. I didn't like Pervert Shawny. 

Of course I remember the Dangerous Alliance Rick Rude rulled.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/10/04 at 6:59 pm


I thought Degeneration X brought out the worst in Shawn Michaels but that's just my opinion. I like the Rocker, I like HBK good or bad. I didn't like Pervert Shawny. 

Of course I remember the Dangerous Alliance Rick Rude rulled.
Whatever happened to Chyna? Did she leave wrestling entirely?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/10/04 at 7:35 pm


Whatever happened to Chyna? Did she leave wrestling entirely?


Well, believe it or not, she modelled for Playboy after her time with the WWF (God help the readers) but I don't know what she did after that. Talking about Chyna, didn't she undergo some miraculous transformation or something during her time with the WWF or is it a different person? When she started, she had a completely different appearance.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/10/04 at 7:40 pm


Anyone here remember Degeneration X(Chyna,HHH,Sean Michaels)or the Dangerous Alliance with Paul E. Dangerously as their manager?


I remember both and remember The Dangerous Alliance (Steve Austin was involved with them I believe - when he had hair  ;D). There was a person in ECW that copied Paul's appearance, mannerisms (and even the mobile phone). He was 'Sign Guy' Dudley initially but was regimmicked as 'Lou E Dangerously'.

Rick Rude ruled wherever he went (even ECW around 1996 period of time). What was interesting about Rude was how tall or big he seemed to be when crossing over to WCW.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/11/04 at 11:35 am

For one thing their was only one Chyna as that was Joanie Lauer, she had surgery to reconstruct her face. I didn't see a need for it. She was ugly then, and she's ugly now.
Speaking of the Ravashing one do you remember his Fued with the Natural Dustin Rhodes?  I do. I remember Dustin pinning him after his own version of the Rude Awakening.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/11/04 at 1:57 pm

http://members.tripod.com/~dxchop/Pictures/d-x1.jpg

Let's Get Ready To Suck It! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/11/04 at 2:00 pm


I thought Degeneration X brought out the worst in Shawn Michaels but that's just my opinion. I like the Rocker, I like HBK good or bad. I didn't like Pervert Shawny. 

Of course I remember the Dangerous Alliance Rick Rude rulled.



I believe Harmonica,that WWF wanted Shawn Michaels to act all cocky and perverted. It was The Attitude Era at the time.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/11/04 at 5:54 pm


http://members.tripod.com/~dxchop/Pictures/d-x1.jpg

Let's Get Ready To Suck It! ;D


Howard
Gawd what a bunch of PERVERTS!! What was McMahon thinking about Degeneration X in the WWF(now WWE)!?!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/12/04 at 5:19 am

I don't think that's perverted. I just think it's sad. It's like when The Heenan Family lost Andre the Giant - Sure Andre wasn't a great wrestler, but when he left (around 1990) the family certainly wasn't the same.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/12/04 at 8:09 pm



Gawd what a bunch of PERVERTS!! What was McMahon thinking about Degeneration X in the WWF(now WWE)!?!



I guess McMahon wanted a group of perveted wrestlers just like HHH & Shawn but whoever thought it would wind up being them 2. ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/12/04 at 8:19 pm

http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~af328/kane1.jpg


Kane & XPac 1999


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/12/04 at 10:12 pm

Speaking of X-Pac I miss that guy, he had talent. He was awesome. A good wrestler and he could talk all big and bad on the microphone without having to swear up a storm.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/13/04 at 3:53 pm

http://x_pac6.tripod.com/current/again.jpg

Kane & X-Pac vs.Undertaker and Big Show in 1999.^

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/13/04 at 7:10 pm


Speaking of X-Pac I miss that guy, he had talent. He was awesome. A good wrestler and he could talk all big and bad on the microphone without having to swear up a storm.


I preferred X-Pac as the 1-2-3 Kid. I found it more palatable to find Sean Waltman (X-Pac) as the underdog against these big giants. Plus, the 1-2-3 Kid's win over Razor Ramon on RAW was a big thing back in 1994 I think.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/14/04 at 12:53 pm

I sort of agree with that Bobby, but on the other hand I liked him as X-Pac as well. He seemed to have just the right amount of stuff to keep Mcmahon happy as far as "attitude" went but he had enough of the old school style left inside of him to keep me happy. He was an entertainer that's for sure. Bret Hart would always say that if anyones going to be the next Bret Hart it's going to be the 1-2-3 Kid, I think Bret knew Sean's potential and had a great deal of respect for Waltman. I remember a classic match for the WWF world Title between the underdog 1-2-3 kid in which the match was done so brilliantly. Bret dominated most of the match nailing his pattened hitman type back breaker and piledrivers on the kid. Towards the end the kid nailed a sinize kick and started to turn the tables on the hitman. The kid went for a divebomb missle drop kick and Bret stepped back caught his legs whipped him over into the sharpshooter and the rest was history.

WWE needs X-Pac back, he was awesome!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/14/04 at 6:51 pm


I sort of agree with that Bobby, but on the other hand I liked him as X-Pac as well. He seemed to have just the right amount of stuff to keep Mcmahon happy as far as "attitude" went but he had enough of the old school style left inside of him to keep me happy. He was an entertainer that's for sure. Bret Hart would always say that if anyones going to be the next Bret Hart it's going to be the 1-2-3 Kid, I think Bret knew Sean's potential and had a great deal of respect for Waltman. I remember a classic match for the WWF world Title between the underdog 1-2-3 kid in which the match was done so brilliantly. Bret dominated most of the match nailing his pattened hitman type back breaker and piledrivers on the kid. Towards the end the kid nailed a sinize kick and started to turn the tables on the hitman. The kid went for a divebomb missle drop kick and Bret stepped back caught his legs whipped him over into the sharpshooter and the rest was history.

WWE needs X-Pac back, he was awesome!


X-Pac and the Road Dogg were alright in their day (was Road Dogg the first to introduce dancing in his moves or was that Scotty Too Hotty? I know Dusty Rhodes did a bit of shaking in his time while delivering elbows but does that count, lol?) but could have done much better away from D-Generation X, preferably in singles competition as they both stunk as the last remnants of a faction gone stale. Maybe that is why my opinion of X-Pac in D-Generation X is a little lower than yours, Harmonica. I viewed X-Pac as a lacky or a hanger-on rather than as being an integral part of a group. However, his X-Factor was the first version of that move I have seen in wrestling (seen it often in ROH recently) and it still looks impressive.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/14/04 at 8:38 pm

A picture of you know who?


http://members.tripod.com/~retro4/ScottS.jpg



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/14/04 at 8:41 pm




I preferred X-Pac as the 1-2-3 Kid. I found it more palatable to find Sean Waltman (X-Pac) as the underdog against these big giants. Plus, the 1-2-3 Kid's win over Razor Ramon on RAW was a big thing back in 1994 I think.



And don't forget The Crybaby Match 2 years later where Razor Ramon won that match by having to put a diaper and a baby bottle on The 123 Kid.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/14/04 at 9:33 pm




I preferred X-Pac as the 1-2-3 Kid. I found it more palatable to find Sean Waltman (X-Pac) as the underdog against these big giants. Plus, the 1-2-3 Kid's win over Razor Ramon on RAW was a big thing back in 1994 I think.
Is X-Pac the same person as "Six"from WCW? I think he was in the NWO Red & Black for a while...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/14/04 at 9:36 pm

Anyone remember Raven and his Flock from WCW? Raven made my skin crawl for some reason.....Also KEVIN SULLIVAN gave me the creeps!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/14/04 at 10:03 pm

Syxx joined the nWo in September 1996.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/15/04 at 4:18 am


Is X-Pac the same person as "Six"from WCW? I think he was in the NWO Red & Black for a while...


As Juanita pointed out, yes Syxx joined WCW (or NWO not that it matters too much) when Ted Turner was throwing senseless amounts of money at wrestlers to leave the WWF. Syyx was called that merely because 1+2+3 (kid) = 6. Virgil followed along around the same time but was called 'Vincent'. They didn't stay in WCW too long.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/15/04 at 4:22 am

Anyone remember Sid Vicious aka Sid Justice?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/15/04 at 2:33 pm

Tony20fan4ever - I remember Raven, I liked him a lot. I wasn't a big fan of his flock, for one I don't like Kidman, but I liked Raven. Who could forget Pyscho Sid? Man what a maniac, and the funny thing is, is that in real life he could go psycho too! 

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/15/04 at 6:46 pm

Why was a non-wrestler like Steve 'Mongo' McMichael made a part of the Four Horsemen in the first place....even he admitted his grappling skills were sub-par...maybe as an enforcer..to watch the backs of the other guys(because yes, Mongo was BIG and possibly could intimidate someone,sizewise)..or because he had friends in the Horsemen? I have to admit,as part of the Chicago Bears,'Monsters of the Midway',he was one hell of a defender and a hellraiser!!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/15/04 at 6:48 pm


Why was a non-wrestler like Steve 'Mongo' McMichael made a part of the Four Horsemen in the first place....even he admitted his grappling skills were sub-par...maybe as an enforcer..to watch the backs of the other guys(because yes, Mongo was BIG and possibly could intimidate someone,sizewise)..or because he had friends in the Horsemen? I have to admit,as part of the Chicago Bears,'Monsters of the Midway',he was one hell of a defender and a hellraiser!!
Anyone here have a picture of Mongo they could post? I wonder if he still looks the same as he did in WCW.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/15/04 at 6:51 pm

Isn't there a wrestler who was also involved with auto racing? Who is this person and was he involved with NASCAR stockers or Indy-style cars?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/15/04 at 7:37 pm


Anyone remember Sid Vicious aka Sid Justice?


Vicious was king of the squash match and would often use a stretcher trolley to sadistically ram into jobbers. I saw a match on ECW with Sid in it and I couldn't believe the force of his clothesline against poor Cronos at 'Guilty as charged'. It sent him crashing through the announcers table! That is scary.

Funnily enough, as usual, the WWF was the only organisation that didn't know how to use him properly.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/15/04 at 7:39 pm


Anyone remember Sid Vicious aka Sid Justice?



http://wrestle.ru/photo/sidvicious/images/03.jpg


Sid Vicious battles Goldberg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/15/04 at 7:44 pm



Anyone here have a picture of Mongo they could post? I wonder if he still looks the same as he did in WCW.




Steve Mongo McMichael


http://members.tripod.com/~Dark_Stinger/mongopics/Mongo11.jpg



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/15/04 at 7:52 pm

The picture with Vicious/Goldberg Howard I think was the match were Vicious blades heavily - a very rare thing indeed.

The last I heard of Sid, he is nursing a severely injured leg after attempting a top rope move during a match just before WCW folded (what possessed the officials to make Sid do that!).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/15/04 at 7:54 pm

That was in 2000 where Sid came off the top rope and his leg wiggles and it looked so gory that they had to put those black bars so you wouldn't see the goriness. :o



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 07/15/04 at 9:59 pm


Funnily enough, as usual, the WWF was the only organisation that didn't know how to use him properly.  ;D


Vadar was another misused wrestler in the WWF, but then again I remember a match while he was in the WWF where I think he was off cue (the other wrestler was on his back on the mat trying to pull him down but Vadar was too far away for him to reach so Vadar just walked backwards into the other wrestlers hands so the match could continue as planned!) It looked really bad and I'm suprised the WWF even showed it!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 07/15/04 at 10:00 pm


That was in 2000 where Sid came off the top rope and his leg wiggles and it looked so gory that they had to put those black bars so you wouldn't see the goriness. :o



Howard


I have the video footage of that somewhere!  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/15/04 at 10:54 pm


Isn't there a wrestler who was also involved with auto racing? Who is this person and was he involved with NASCAR stockers or Indy-style cars?
 

Bob Spark Plugg Holly is your man!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/16/04 at 5:04 am



 

Bob Spark Plugg Holly is your man!
Thanx!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/16/04 at 5:06 am






Steve Mongo McMichael


http://members.tripod.com/~Dark_Stinger/mongopics/Mongo11.jpg



Howard

Thanx!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Juanita on 07/16/04 at 12:18 pm

Sid breaks his leg...

http://www.wrestlemedia.at/Wrestling/Multimedia/Sid_Breaks_Leg.avi

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/16/04 at 4:48 pm

I liked Sid, and what happened to him was tragic. 

Anyway anyone know what happened to this guy? What happened to Brakus?  He was their and gone before I could snap my fingers.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/16/04 at 7:41 pm




Vadar was another misused wrestler in the WWF, but then again I remember a match while he was in the WWF where I think he was off cue (the other wrestler was on his back on the mat trying to pull him down but Vadar was too far away for him to reach so Vadar just walked backwards into the other wrestlers hands so the match could continue as planned!) It looked really bad and I'm suprised the WWF even showed it!



I remember when he had a match with Kane in 1998 and Vader lost so he called himself a piece of ****! :o ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/16/04 at 7:45 pm



   

Bob Spark Plugg Holly is your man!



http://smackdown.wwe.com/superstars/holly_h/images/hardcore_l.jpg


Or you can have the rough and tough Hardcore Holly.^



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/17/04 at 6:51 am

I saw Raw last night and I was quite impressed until I saw the main event. The event was going great and then it ended rather surreally which resulted in a long interference by HHH. Why WWE? Everything was going great until then (some nice quick matches). Admittedly the Kane and Lita angle was ridiculous. One of those regular moments where a wrestling fan feels embarrassed watching it in front of other people.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/17/04 at 10:19 am

The Kane and Lita angle isn't rediculous it's plain stupid.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 07/17/04 at 1:20 pm





http://wrestle.ru/photo/sidvicious/images/03.jpg


Sid Vicious battles Goldberg

Howard
Do you have a summary of this match?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/17/04 at 3:12 pm



Do you have a summary of this match?




I don't think so.From what I remember Goldberg def.Sid on a DQ.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/17/04 at 3:26 pm

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/bruno/174/all5.jpg



What Does Everyone Want? HEAD!  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/17/04 at 8:08 pm


The Kane and Lita angle isn't rediculous it's plain stupid.


Prior to Kane's unmasking, I said to my girlfriend's son, 'that is going to be the death of his character'. At least when he had that mask on, we didn't have to see his face pulling stupid impressions like he was constipated.  :-\\  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/17/04 at 10:46 pm

Anytime a wrestler looses his face paint or mask to me it's a mistake. There is something special about the mask the face paint. If they don't want to wrestle with a mask on any longer then they need to leave for a while and come back as a new person and keep they're old identity profile low. 

I personally want to have a mask or face paint when I get into professional wrestling, and as that certain character I will portray I won't ever loose that mask or face paint. It's like being killed in a way, killing the character if you ask me.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/18/04 at 1:02 pm


I personally want to have a mask or face paint when I get into professional wrestling, and as that certain character I will portray I won't ever loose that mask or face paint. It's like being killed in a way, killing the character if you ask me.


Basically, that's it. The mystery of that character is killed off.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/18/04 at 1:48 pm




Prior to Kane's unmasking, I said to my girlfriend's son, 'that is going to be the death of his character'. At least when he had that mask on, we didn't have to see his face pulling stupid impressions like he was constipated.  :-\\  ;)



http://www.kaneskeeper.com/July04/july12/thumbnails/tnjuly12000000012.jpg


I guess Vince wanted him more evil so they wanted him to take off his red mask. ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/18/04 at 1:52 pm

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009V7QM.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


See any resemblance to The guy from the film"The Hills Have Eyes" & Kane now? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/18/04 at 1:56 pm


Anytime a wrestler looses his face paint or mask to me it's a mistake. There is something special about the mask the face paint. If they don't want to wrestle with a mask on any longer then they need to leave for a while and come back as a new person and keep they're old identity profile low. 

I personally want to have a mask or face paint when I get into professional wrestling, and as that certain character I will portray I won't ever loose that mask or face paint. It's like being killed in a way, killing the character if you ask me.



Look what happened to Rey Mysterio in 1998 when he fought Kevin Nash.


http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesM/mysterio_rey.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/18/04 at 2:54 pm


http://www.kaneskeeper.com/July04/july12/thumbnails/tnjuly12000000012.jpg
I guess Vince wanted him more evil so they wanted him to take off his red mask. ???


What annoys me is the storyline is based on Kane being so disfigured that he has to wear the mask. What do we get to see? A stupid hair-do and a contact lens in one eye - pathetic.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/18/04 at 2:59 pm


Look what happened to Rey Mysterio in 1998 when he fought Kevin Nash.

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesM/mysterio_rey.jpg


WCW at the time wanted every Mexican wrestlers mask off so that the audience could identify with the wrestler. What a stupid idea! The only people I know that survived the unmasking were La Parka (Bloke in a skeleton outfit and mask who wields a chair like a guitar) and Blitzkreig. Juventud Guerrea, Chavo Guerrero and Rey Misterio Jnr all lost their masks one way or another.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/18/04 at 3:22 pm




What annoys me is the storyline is based on Kane being so disfigured that he has to wear the mask. What do we get to see? A stupid hair-do and a contact lens in one eye - pathetic.



We all thought he would be a scary looking dude,turns out he looks pretty normal to me. ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/18/04 at 3:23 pm

http://www.kaneskeeper.com/July04/july12/thumbnails/tnjuly12000000009.jpg


Here is a picture from the Kane/Lita storyline.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/18/04 at 8:05 pm


http://www.kaneskeeper.com/July04/july12/thumbnails/tnjuly12000000009.jpg


Here is a picture from the Kane/Lita storyline.



Howard


Who's uglier Kane or Lita?  Since Lita is a female, or at least I think, I'd say I'd go out with her before I'd go out with Kane, but it's still a toss up.


Here's a picture of Lita before she lost weight and shaved her beard.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/18/04 at 8:22 pm

Does anyone remember a WCW wrestler called Jushin Liger? He was Japanese I think,and he liked to do high-flying moves and top-rope maneuvers a LOT!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/19/04 at 10:27 am

Jushin "the Thunder" Liger one of my favorite Japanese superstars.  The other picture is of my favorite Japanese Superstar The Great Muta.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/19/04 at 8:42 pm




Who's uglier Kane or Lita?  Since Lita is a female, or at least I think, I'd say I'd go out with her before I'd go out with Kane, but it's still a toss up.


Here's a picture of Lita before she lost weight and shaved her beard.



Ah Yes.The Captain,Captain Lou Albano.I remember when he managed The Headshrinkers 10 years ago.He was a funny character back then. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/19/04 at 8:51 pm

http://ventura.blackpants.net/pic/h/headshrinkers/08.jpg

Captain Lou used to manage The New Headshrinkers.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/20/04 at 10:21 am

The Barbarian another great WWE superstar who never got to hold a  belt. Or did he once as Tag team? no I think that was with Samu, not the Barbarian.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 07/20/04 at 2:15 pm




WCW at the time wanted every Mexican wrestlers mask off so that the audience could identify with the wrestler. What a stupid idea! The only people I know that survived the unmasking were La Parka (Bloke in a skeleton outfit and mask who wields a chair like a guitar) and Blitzkreig. Juventud Guerrea, Chavo Guerrero and Rey Misterio Jnr all lost their masks one way or another.

Did Chavo loose his mask? I don't remember him ever wearing a mask (for that matter, we talking Sr or Jr here)? I do know that Psychosis was one of the luchadors that lost his mask in WCW, must to the appreciation of my ex-wife...

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/20/04 at 4:57 pm


The Barbarian another great WWE superstar who never got to hold a belt. Or did he once as Tag team? no I think that was with Samu, not the Barbarian.


The Barbarian held a tag title in the WCW but never in WWF.He was basically mid carder material but he was a strong SOB. :o


http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/barbarian.jpg

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/20/04 at 4:59 pm



Did Chavo loose his mask? I don't remember him ever wearing a mask (for that matter, we talking Sr or Jr here)? I do know that Psychosis was one of the luchadors that lost his mask in WCW, must to the appreciation of my ex-wife...

Kryllith


Chavo never wore a mask at all.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/20/04 at 9:12 pm


Jushin "the Thunder" Liger one of my favorite Japanese superstars.  The other picture is of my favorite Japanese Superstar The Great Muta.
What was that green stuff Muta used to spit on his opponents?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/21/04 at 8:46 am

I don't know what that stuff was....Probably nothign but Water and Green food coloring.



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Tony20fan4ever on 07/21/04 at 7:45 pm

Anyone remember the GLOBAL WRESTILNG FEDERATION? They had guys like The Patriot,the Dark Patriot,"California Stud"Rod Price,The Ebony Express(Booker T. and Stevie Ray)..and a certain loony manager in GENERAL SKANDOR AKBAR!?!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/21/04 at 9:01 pm

I remember the GWF.  I never got to watch it but I read about it a lot. My favorite wrestler of all time by the way is Del Wilkes, The Patriot.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/21/04 at 9:06 pm

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/4814/2chris9.jpg



Gentleman Chris Adams who used to be in GWF.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/21/04 at 9:08 pm


Anyone remember the GLOBAL WRESTILNG FEDERATION? They had guys like The Patriot,the Dark Patriot,"California Stud"Rod Price,The Ebony Express(Booker T. and Stevie Ray)..and a certain loony manager in GENERAL SKANDOR AKBAR!?!


I used to watch GWF back in the days.That was better than what WWF puts on today :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/22/04 at 5:06 am


Chavo never wore a mask at all.


Oh right. I must have mistaken him for someone else.  :-[  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/22/04 at 5:07 am


Who's uglier Kane or Lita?  Since Lita is a female, or at least I think, I'd say I'd go out with her before I'd go out with Kane, but it's still a toss up.


I kind of fancy Lita. Her voice is a bit rough though.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/22/04 at 12:53 pm




I kind of fancy Lita. Her voice is a bit rough though.


Oh, I suppose you meant her physical looks. I meant her inside looks. Physically Amy Dumas(Lita) is very attractive. Pretty smile, nice rack, nice butt, sexy stomach, and she has the look to her that she could dominate you in certain circumstances....enough of being a pervert. Anway when I said the Ugly remark I was referring to a part of her personality of professional Wrestling. I've heard from many that Amy Dumas is a sweet, kind, caring individual, and I don't doubt that for a second. But something in her past tells me not to like her as a pro wrestler, because that something is ugly, and it's inside of her.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/22/04 at 8:20 pm

http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/John_Layfield.jpg


Like he says,let's chant JBL,JBL,JBL,JBL..... ;D :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/22/04 at 8:21 pm




Oh, I suppose you meant her physical looks. I meant her inside looks. Physically Amy Dumas(Lita) is very attractive. Pretty smile, nice rack, nice butt, sexy stomach, and she has the look to her that she could dominate you in certain circumstances....enough of being a pervert. Anway when I said the Ugly remark I was referring to a part of her personality of professional Wrestling. I've heard from many that Amy Dumas is a sweet, kind, caring individual, and I don't doubt that for a second. But something in her past tells me not to like her as a pro wrestler, because that something is ugly, and it's inside of her.


Austin Powers

"She's A Man,Baby" ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/22/04 at 10:03 pm

That was good, very good, Very funny. Bravo Howard, bravo!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/23/04 at 4:57 am


Oh, I suppose you meant her physical looks. I meant her inside looks. Physically Amy Dumas(Lita) is very attractive. Pretty smile, nice rack, nice butt, sexy stomach, and she has the look to her that she could dominate you in certain circumstances....enough of being a pervert. Anway when I said the Ugly remark I was referring to a part of her personality of professional Wrestling. I've heard from many that Amy Dumas is a sweet, kind, caring individual, and I don't doubt that for a second. But something in her past tells me not to like her as a pro wrestler, because that something is ugly, and it's inside of her.


Ok . . .  ??? Lol.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/23/04 at 4:58 am


http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/John_Layfield.jpg


Like he says,let's chant JBL,JBL,JBL,JBL..... ;D :P


Let's not.  :-\\  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/23/04 at 8:26 pm

http://www.pwwew.net/multimedia/bradshaw.jpg


Here is an Old School pic of Bradshaw taken from a few years ago. :o



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/23/04 at 8:28 pm


That was good, very good, Very funny. Bravo Howard, bravo!



Thanks Harmonica.What do you think about Bradshaw turning face?

I think a year from now everyone will be booing Eddie Guerreo and cheering Bradshaw.give them about a year or so. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/24/04 at 7:22 am


Thanks Harmonica.What do you think about Bradshaw turning face?

I think a year from now everyone will be booing Eddie Guerreo and cheering Bradshaw.give them about a year or so. ;D


Wierder things have happened, Howard. These feud reversals are more commonplace than they used to be because there is more P-P-V time to cover. It is inevitable unfortunately - which makes me wonder why the WWE don't make their feuds longer (or at least add different dimensions to the same feud).



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/24/04 at 11:44 am




Wierder things have happened, Howard. These feud reversals are more commonplace than they used to be because there is more P-P-V time to cover. It is inevitable unfortunately - which makes me wonder why the WWE don't make their feuds longer (or at least add different dimensions to the same feud).







Eddie Guerreo might say something wrong and turn heel so that means JBL would turn face automatically. ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/24/04 at 11:45 am

http://members.tripod.com/~TheFunky1/pics/sp_farooq.jpg


A pic of Farooq SouthPark Style. ;D^



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/24/04 at 12:04 pm

actually Howard - I'm so used to the WWE changing from face to heel face to heel that I really don't pay much attention anymore.

Ever since Hogan turned heel it's been hard to really be shocked by it anymore.  McMahon could make the Brooklyn Brawler the most famous wrestler of next year if he wanted too, and he could make Triple H long gone and forgotten.  Don't doubt him for a second.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/24/04 at 12:11 pm


actually Howard - I'm so used to the WWE changing from face to heel face to heel that I really don't pay much attention anymore.

Ever since Hogan turned heel it's been hard to really be shocked by it anymore.  McMahon could make the Brooklyn Brawler the most famous wrestler of next year if he wanted too, and he could make Triple H long gone and forgotten.  Don't doubt him for a second.



like they say "anything can happen in the WWF". ;D

Howrd

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/24/04 at 3:07 pm

Actually not anything can happen in the World Wildlife Fund, but it can happen in the World Wrestling Entertainment. In my opinion WWE was a dumb way to go. World Entertainment Federation, considering McMahon sometimes forgets that Wrestling is a part of his show the WEF or howabout the World Wrestling Entertainment Federation the WWEF? hmm?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/25/04 at 8:49 am


like they say "anything can happen in the WWF". ;D

Howrd


Whether it be the WWE or the WWF, anything can happen - but it usually ends with boredom.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/25/04 at 8:50 am


Actually not anything can happen in the World Wildlife Fund, but it can happen in the World Wrestling Entertainment. In my opinion WWE was a dumb way to go. World Entertainment Federation, considering McMahon sometimes forgets that Wrestling is a part of his show the WEF or howabout the World Wrestling Entertainment Federation the WWEF? hmm?


Why couldn't Vince have reverted back to the WWWF?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/25/04 at 10:35 am




Why couldn't Vince have reverted back to the WWWF?


cause he's a stupid dumbass! He can't figure out whether to name it WWE or WWF. ::) >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/25/04 at 10:36 am




Whether it be the WWE or the WWF, anything can happen - but it usually ends with boredom.  ;D



that's why the WWE is the way it is nowadays. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/25/04 at 10:37 am


Actually not anything can happen in the World Wildlife Fund, but it can happen in the World Wrestling Entertainment. In my opinion WWE was a dumb way to go. World Entertainment Federation, considering McMahon sometimes forgets that Wrestling is a part of his show the WEF or howabout the World Wrestling Entertainment Federation the WWEF? hmm?



I don't even care what you name it anymore.It's still THE WWF in my eyes.I grew up looking at the logo every Saturday and I don't want to call it by any other name other than WWF.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/25/04 at 11:11 am

I miss the old logo.  WWE needs a new logo.

I remember when the WWF had the Attitude logo inside the old school logo, that was the most fair and logic logo, although I'd still like to have the old school logo.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/25/04 at 2:27 pm


I miss the old logo.  WWE needs a new logo.

I remember when the WWF had the Attitude logo inside the old school logo, that was the most fair and logic logo, although I'd still like to have the old school logo.


I love the old school logo (I suppose there were 3, the really old school one from 1985? to 1994, the second was an uncomplicated variation of the first and had a square background around 1994 - 1998 and the scratched style logo from 1998 onwards always looked cheap to me, not surprisingly the entertainment followed suit.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/26/04 at 12:17 am

I know what you mean Bobby, it looks like Chickenscratch written by someone on drugs.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/26/04 at 4:39 pm


I know what you mean Bobby, it looks like Chickenscratch written by someone on drugs.


Heh heh. I guess it was to illustrate the WWE's more harsher attitude to wrestling. Interestingly enough, like the angles, it lacks the detail to give it that sense of polish.

Harmonica, do you remember that class graphic the WWF did around 1987 - 1988 which showed a first-person view flying over a red landscape. The WWF logo would appear, flash a little and then a voice (which sounds like Gene Okerlund's) would boom 'What the world is watching'? That is magic.  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/26/04 at 9:04 pm

I started watching in 1988 - 1989, Bobby, so I don't remember when that came out, but I remember seeing it.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/26/04 at 9:13 pm

http://www.1wrestling.com/images/wwe.gif


Here is the now pic of the logo.Just a plain old "W". :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/26/04 at 9:15 pm




Heh heh. I guess it was to illustrate the WWE's more harsher attitude to wrestling. Interestingly enough, like the angles, it lacks the detail to give it that sense of polish.

Harmonica, do you remember that class graphic the WWF did around 1987 - 1988 which showed a first-person view flying over a red landscape. The WWF logo would appear, flash a little and then a voice (which sounds like Gene Okerlund's) would boom 'What the world is watching'? That is magic.  :D


He would also say,for over 50 years in Sports Entertainment and so on and so forth. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/26/04 at 9:20 pm

http://www.panda.org/img/turtle_banner.jpg


Let's trash this place.^ >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/27/04 at 4:45 pm


I started watching in 1988 - 1989, Bobby, so I don't remember when that came out, but I remember seeing it.


I think it features on the Wrestlemania 3 video, Harmonica (the best Wrestlemania ever IMO).  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/27/04 at 5:57 pm

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/jotw/jotw-michaelsaxon/saxonhair.gif



This here is Blade Saxton.A jobber who arrived in the WWF 20 years ago as a Michael Jackson impersonator.He left in 1986 and after that vanished completely. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/27/04 at 6:04 pm

http://wwesuperstars.tripod.com/Kamala/images/photoscans/05.jpg


good news.This guy might be returning.just what we need a screaming idiot. ::) ;D^


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/27/04 at 10:12 pm

You know Howard I always wonder what becomes of some of those wrestlers and wrestling personalities.

I always really liked Sean Mooney and heard that he had a job on the East Coast as a radio persona, but I never knew for sure. It's almost as if some of these people dissapear of the face of this earth.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/28/04 at 4:58 pm


You know Howard I always wonder what becomes of some of those wrestlers and wrestling personalities.

I always really liked Sean Mooney and heard that he had a job on the East Coast as a radio persona, but I never knew for sure. It's almost as if some of these people dissapear of the face of this earth.


I think like that as well, Harmonica. Here are a few examples . . .

George Wells
'Special Delivery' Jones
Rip Rogers
The Itallian Stallion
Billy Jack Haynes
Sam Houston
Ken Patera

Most of them weren't that great but Rip Rogers used to make me laugh (he always lost to Brian Pillman).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/28/04 at 8:30 pm

Sam Houston was Jake the Snakes Half Brother you know that?

Ken Patera spent some time in Jail and last I heard he now owns a weight clubb and makes weight equiptment.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/28/04 at 8:43 pm


You know Howard I always wonder what becomes of some of those wrestlers and wrestling personalities.

I always really liked Sean Mooney and heard that he had a job on the East Coast as a radio persona, but I never knew for sure. It's almost as if some of these people dissapear of the face of this earth.





http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/Sean_Mooney.jpg



I remember when Sean Mooney used to do those coliseum home videos with Lord Alfred Hayes.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/28/04 at 8:44 pm


Sam Houston was Jake the Snakes Half Brother you know that?

Ken Patera spent some time in Jail and last I heard he now owns a weight clubb and makes weight equiptment.



Yes I already knew that.Thanks Harmonica. :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/28/04 at 8:47 pm

http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/Lord_Alfred_Hayes.jpg


Lord Alfred Hayes and he's 75 years old today. :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/28/04 at 11:27 pm

I always took the wrestlers and personalities for granted.    What became of Todd Pettinguil?  I always liked him too.  Missy Hyatt? Bring me back on memory lane once again.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/29/04 at 4:57 am


Sam Houston was Jake the Snakes Half Brother you know that?

Ken Patera spent some time in Jail and last I heard he now owns a weight clubb and makes weight equiptment.


Yep I knew that (I may have mentioned it before, along with the female wrestler 'Rockin' Robin being his sister!).

I didn't like Todd Pettingill, he just annoyed me with his smug goofy smile, running about like a wally. Scotty Flamingo (Scott Levy, Raven) was just as bad. They lacked the composure stalwarts like Mooney and, to a lesser extent, Hayes had.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/29/04 at 3:04 pm

Steve Borden better known as Sting has become a preacher type sort of person. He uses professional wrestling to talk about God. He's very big into religion and talks with Children all over the world teaching them about morals, Jesus, God, and christianity. I have a friend that got to see him along with Ted Dibiase speak out about God and do shows promoting God while at the same time using professional wrestling as a way to get kids interested in God.

Here's a picture of Ted and Steve Today and he's another picture of Steve without his Sting Makeup.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/29/04 at 3:13 pm




Yep I knew that (I may have mentioned it before, along with the female wrestler 'Rockin' Robin being his sister!).

I didn't like Todd Pettingill, he just annoyed me with his smug goofy smile, running about like a wally. Scotty Flamingo (Scott Levy, Raven) was just as bad. They lacked the composure stalwarts like Mooney and, to a lesser extent, Hayes had.


I did some searching and found out that Todd started doing a TV show called Another World but it was cancled before it even got started. He has worked as broadcastor for Budweiser, Little Rascals, Return to Lonesome Dove, Harley Davidson and others.

Here are too pictures of what he looks like today.



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 07/29/04 at 3:19 pm

I tried looking up Sean Mooney as well but I all I got was this.
I don't think it's him but his name is Sean mooney and it sorta looks like him.


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/29/04 at 5:09 pm

Thanks for the pics, Harmonica. Pettingill is looking more 'mature' these days.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/29/04 at 8:22 pm




I did some searching and found out that Todd started doing a TV show called Another World but it was cancled before it even got started. He has worked as broadcastor for Budweiser, Little Rascals, Return to Lonesome Dove, Harley Davidson and others.

Here are too pictures of what he looks like today.





Todd Pettingil was terrible.I don't understand why he was hired for WWF.He belongs with Scott Shannon on Z100. :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/29/04 at 8:26 pm

http://members.tripod.com/~retro4/Doch.jpg


Anyone remember Doc Hendrix with Todd Pettingil? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/29/04 at 8:47 pm


I always took the wrestlers and personalities for granted.    What became of Todd Pettinguil?  I always liked him too.  Missy Hyatt? Bring me back on memory lane once again.



pic of Missy Hyatt and I'm trying to find pics of Sunny now as she looks.Sunny is about 200 pounds overweight and she does a lot of autograph signings. :D

http://www.cooldudesandhotbabes.com/graphics/missylogo.jpg


Howard


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/30/04 at 5:06 am

I do remember Doc Hendrix. Howard. I still can't decide whether that was ex-freebird Michael P.S Hayes or not. It certainly looks like him.

Missy Hyatt is well gorgeous.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/30/04 at 9:02 pm


I do remember Doc Hendrix. Howard. I still can't decide whether that was ex-freebird Michael P.S Hayes or not. It certainly looks like him.

Missy Hyatt is well gorgeous.  :)


yes,that is Michael PS Hayes but who the hell knows why Vince wanted his name to be called Doc?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 07/30/04 at 9:07 pm

http://www.sportsgirls.net/wrest/images/sun95z.jpg


Remember Sunny? Well,this is what she used to look like but these days she's overweight and I'm trying to find pics of her now.I'm having trouble. :-\\



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 07/31/04 at 11:53 am


yes,that is Michael PS Hayes but who the hell knows why Vince wanted his name to be called Doc?


It sounds like a name for a tattoo artist. He was an excellent wrestler.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/01/04 at 11:16 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/t/tammysytch/52.jpg


Well,I finally found the recent picture of Sunny Tammy Lynn Sytch and like I said she is overweight and her face is kinda puffy.You'd be turned off if you saw this.Let me know what you think. :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/01/04 at 11:17 am




It sounds like a name for a tattoo artist. He was an excellent wrestler.



He also managed The hardy boys a few years ago. :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/01/04 at 2:46 pm

Boy Howard I know what you mean when you said it's practically impossible to find pictures of what Sunny Looks like today.  The drugs or whatever I feel bad for her. She used to have beauty and brains now she just has brains. Most WWE divas managers and women in general have the beauty and no brains. Sunny used to have a million dollar body and a million dollar brain...I guess you can't have both.



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/02/04 at 7:18 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/t/tammysytch/52.jpg
Well,I finally found the recent picture of Sunny Tammy Lynn Sytch and like I said she is overweight and her face is kinda puffy.You'd be turned off if you saw this.Let me know what you think. :P


OMG! What the hell happened to her? LOL.

She is certainly more than a shadow of her former self.  ;D

Admittedly though, Howard. The last time we saw her in the WWF was about 6/7 years ago.

I still can't believe it after looking at the photo again.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/02/04 at 8:58 pm

Hey,Bobby I was looking at what Harmonica posted of her and I almost threw up just thinking of what she USED TO look like.Such eye candy,nice butt and gorgeous features,NOW she's got double chins,cellulite,probably eats McDonalds Hamburgers.But hey,that's what happens when you've been outta work for almost 8 years and get upset and start taking depressants.As you're reading this she just considered to be a Flight Attendant on a plane earlier this year(February 2004.) :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/02/04 at 9:05 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/scotthall/06.jpg


"Hey Yo Chico,Take a Look at the bad guy Razor Ramon"  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/02/04 at 11:34 pm

Is he drunk in that picture Howard?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/03/04 at 5:47 am


Hey,Bobby I was looking at what Harmonica posted of her and I almost threw up just thinking of what she USED TO look like.Such eye candy,nice butt and gorgeous features,NOW she's got double chins,cellulite,probably eats McDonalds Hamburgers.But hey,that's what happens when you've been outta work for almost 8 years and get upset and start taking depressants.As you're reading this she just considered to be a Flight Attendant on a plane earlier this year(February 2004.) :P


I don't know, temporamental women. Still, Sherri Martel put on a bit of weight (I think we mentioned this earlier) and she didn't look the worse for wear. Sunny just looks like she's bloated after several pints of Coca Cola. I don't feel sorry for her, she knows she can make a comeback if she wants to, she doesn't have to resort to being a flight attendant.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/03/04 at 5:48 am


Is he drunk in that picture Howard?


He's always had that appearance. His stupid walk while with The NWO doesn't help his case for soberness either.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 08/03/04 at 6:57 am

That was a cool match last night when Benoit got pinned.  Also was that China who slapped Kane. I think she has juiced too much giving her a male voice, it's a pity cause she was cute once.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/03/04 at 10:28 am




I don't know, temporamental women. Still, Sherri Martel put on a bit of weight (I think we mentioned this earlier) and she didn't look the worse for wear. Sunny just looks like she's bloated after several pints of Coca Cola. I don't feel sorry for her, she knows she can make a comeback if she wants to, she doesn't have to resort to being a flight attendant.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/sherrimartel/16.jpg


This is Sherri Martel of today.She manages once in a blue moon but these days she trains women to wrestle.Her real name is Cheryl Russell and she's in her 50's now. :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/03/04 at 10:30 am


Is he drunk in that picture Howard?




That picture was probably taken in 1995 or earlier.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/03/04 at 10:34 am


That was a cool match last night when Benoit got pinned.  Also was that China who slapped Kane. I think she has juiced too much giving her a male voice, it's a pity cause she was cute once.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/c/chyna/19.jpg


Well BJ,Chyna was cute.Now,her name is China Doll and she has golden brown hair. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 08/03/04 at 10:59 am

Howard, tha'ts a hot pic of China Doll, but I saw here last week on Howard Stern, and she didn't look or sing so good.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/03/04 at 11:15 am


Howard, tha'ts a hot pic of China Doll, but I saw here last week on Howard Stern, and she didn't look or sing so good.


Was it an old Howard Stern episode?



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 08/03/04 at 12:21 pm




Was it an old Howard Stern episode?
That I don't know, I figured it was a current show but maybe not, she looked and sounded like heck though.  If that was her last night smacking Kane in the kisser, she looked ok, but maybe a little too pumped up, and her voice was a bit masculine.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/03/04 at 6:35 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/sherrimartel/16.jpg


This is Sherri Martel of today.She manages once in a blue moon but these days she trains women to wrestle.Her real name is Cheryl Russell and she's in her 50's now. :)


She looks better at 50 than Sunny does now.  ;D

I remember Chyna when she started and she looked well wierd. God knows how much silicone they have put inside Chyna's face.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/04/04 at 1:39 pm

Out of curiousity....any of you guys ever take professional wrestling and relate to other things?

Maybe I didn't word that right...um....ok I'll give some examples.

I would take a tooth pick and mimicking Razor Ramon I would through it at people thinking I was tough, while calling them chico.

During winter recesses I would hang my jacket down and walk around like Bret Hart.

I never was a fan of Stone Cold, but I'd make fun of his "That's the bottom line"  and I believed in his DTA, and still do to this day.

I'd do a lot of things like Pro wrestlers when I was little....I just can't think of them all.

At school dances when we'd do the run in the middle and dance thing.....yeah you guess it.... Alex Wright

and when they played "Staying Alive"  Disco Inferno baby!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/04/04 at 1:40 pm

lol, I just thought about how I used to go to the bathroom in public places and I'd read Gentlemen and it'd make me think of Chris Adams. (it still does for the record)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/04/04 at 7:36 pm


Out of curiousity....any of you guys ever take professional wrestling and relate to other things?

Maybe I didn't word that right...um....ok I'll give some examples.

I would take a tooth pick and mimicking Razor Ramon I would through it at people thinking I was tough, while calling them chico.

During winter recesses I would hang my jacket down and walk around like Bret Hart.

I never was a fan of Stone Cold, but I'd make fun of his "That's the bottom line"  and I believed in his DTA, and still do to this day.

I'd do a lot of things like Pro wrestlers when I was little....I just can't think of them all.

At school dances when we'd do the run in the middle and dance thing.....yeah you guess it.... Alex Wright

and when they played "Staying Alive"   Disco Inferno baby!


There was only thing I suppose I unconsciously did and that is, while walking up the road, I would tag the hedges as if I was tagging fans. Stupid heh?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/04/04 at 8:41 pm


Out of curiousity....any of you guys ever take professional wrestling and relate to other things?

Maybe I didn't word that right...um....ok I'll give some examples.

I would take a tooth pick and mimicking Razor Ramon I would through it at people thinking I was tough, while calling them chico.

During winter recesses I would hang my jacket down and walk around like Bret Hart.

I never was a fan of Stone Cold, but I'd make fun of his "That's the bottom line"  and I believed in his DTA, and still do to this day.

I'd do a lot of things like Pro wrestlers when I was little....I just can't think of them all.

At school dances when we'd do the run in the middle and dance thing.....yeah you guess it.... Alex Wright

and when they played "Staying Alive"   Disco Inferno baby!





And with Stone Cold,I still give his middle finger salute once in a while.  ;D
I also still believe in his DTA.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/04/04 at 8:45 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/l/lunavachon/19.jpg


Now,here's one crazy woman.Remember Luna Vachon with that froggy voice of hers? ;D
I wonder what's she's doing these days?  ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/04/04 at 8:47 pm




She looks better at 50 than Sunny does now.  ;D

I remember Chyna when she started and she looked well wierd. God knows how much silicone they have put inside Chyna's face.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/c/chyna/13.jpg


That is weird.  :o :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/05/04 at 12:14 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/l/lunavachon/19.jpg


Now,here's one crazy woman.Remember Luna Vachon with that froggy voice of hers? ;D
I wonder what's she's doing these days?  ???


Howard


She married Vampire Warrior Gangrel Heath whatever his last name is and they are in the Independents wrestling right now.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/05/04 at 5:33 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/l/lunavachon/19.jpg


Now,here's one crazy woman.Remember Luna Vachon with that froggy voice of hers? ;D
I wonder what's she's doing these days?  ???


Oh Howard. You know I'm an insomniac! I've got no chance of getting to sleep at night with that 'thing' in my head.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/05/04 at 5:34 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/c/chyna/13.jpg


That is weird.  :o :P


She is trying to look too much like Xena: Warrior Princess. There is only one difference . . .

LUCY LAWLESS IS BETTER LOOKING!  ;D  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/05/04 at 11:24 am




She is trying to look too much like Xena: Warrior Princess. There is only one difference . . .

LUCY LAWLESS IS BETTER LOOKING!  ;D  ;D


hmmm.......not much.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/05/04 at 7:08 pm


hmmm.......not much.


No? I used to fancy her as well.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/05/04 at 9:11 pm




Oh Howard. You know I'm an insomniac! I've got no chance of getting to sleep at night with that 'thing' in my head.  ;D



Oh Please stop that.So she has a pierced tongue and eyebrow.I hope you never fall asleep. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/05/04 at 9:12 pm




She married Vampire Warrior Gangrel Heath whatever his last name is and they are in the Independents wrestling right now.



So,why don't they come back to WWF(E) now? It's been years. ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/05/04 at 9:15 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/stacycarter/04.jpg


You guys remember Kat when she revealed her puppies 5 years ago this month? :o

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/06/04 at 3:55 am


Oh Please stop that.So she has a pierced tongue and eyebrow.I hope you never fall asleep. ;D


It's much more than the metal she has attached to her face, she's just UUURRRRGGGLLLYYYY.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/06/04 at 3:56 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/stacycarter/04.jpg
You guys remember Kat when she revealed her puppies 5 years ago this month? :o

Howard


Was this the time of the evening gown in a pool match? Perhaps the most daring thing the WWE have done over the last 5 years.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/06/04 at 8:18 pm




It's much more than the metal she has attached to her face, she's just UUURRRRGGGLLLYYYY.  ;D



Remember when she had a froggy voice? What the hell was wrong with that woman? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/06/04 at 8:22 pm




Was this the time of the evening gown in a pool match? Perhaps the most daring thing the WWE have done over the last 5 years.



I believe so.I would like to show the pic but I don't want to get banned. :\'(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/06/04 at 8:23 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/m/mikeshaw/04.jpg


Hey Bob,Here is something that will also keep you up all night. ;D

Bastion Booger


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/06/04 at 9:56 pm

oh good old Mike Shaw, who was actually a decent wrestler, man the WWE treated him soo....bad...oh so bad.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/07/04 at 9:03 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/m/mikeshaw/04.jpg
Hey Bob,Here is something that will also keep you up all night. ;D

Bastion Booger


Yep! Another guy ill-treated by the WWF. I think he only entered 1 P-P-V (Survivor Series 1993 - He bowed out of the Rumble in 1994, making out it was Bret Hart who couldn't make it because of his leg injury that occurred during his match earlier).

They tried to give him a religious gimmick and call him 'Friar Ferguson' - I think I would have preferred that one to be honest.  :-\\

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/07/04 at 10:08 am




Yep! Another guy ill-treated by the WWF. I think he only entered 1 P-P-V (Survivor Series 1993 - He bowed out of the Rumble in 1994, making out it was Bret Hart who couldn't make it because of his leg injury that occurred during his match earlier).

They tried to give him a religious gimmick and call him 'Friar Ferguson' - I think I would have preferred that one to be honest.  :-\\


I mean what was the point of a fat tub of crap trying to wrestle and eat at the same time? I remember when he used to wrestle Rick Martel on Superstars and Rick sprayed him with Arrogance. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/07/04 at 10:11 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/johntenta/05.jpg


Here's another I wish would come back and squash the competition and kill JBL. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/07/04 at 10:13 am


oh good old Mike Shaw, who was actually a decent wrestler, man the WWE treated him soo....bad...oh so bad.



He didn't even resemble a booger so they dress him up in an awful gray costume. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/07/04 at 2:43 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/johntenta/05.jpg


Here's another I wish would come back and squash the competition and kill JBL. ;D


Howard


Unfortunately John Tenta has a battle with Cancer right now, that I hope he squashes and gets the best of.  I always liked Earthquake and thought he was such an excellent heal...he really protrayed his character really well and had classic battles with Hulk Hogan and for a big man he could do some really cool sheesh...WWE and all Pro wrestling organizations need more good big men like Earthquake...

Remember when he was Golga in his return...that was cool because he didn't want to hog the spotlight and under the mask he proved to all of the newer fans that the "old" guys still have what it takes to be awesome in the ring.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/07/04 at 3:13 pm


Unfortunately John Tenta has a battle with Cancer right now, that I hope he squashes and gets the best of.  I always liked Earthquake and thought he was such an excellent heal...he really protrayed his character really well and had classic battles with Hulk Hogan and for a big man he could do some really cool sh**...WWE and all Pro wrestling organizations need more good big men like Earthquake...

Remember when he was Golga in his return...that was cool because he didn't want to hog the spotlight and under the mask he proved to all of the newer fans that the "old" guys still have what it takes to be awesome in the ring.


Yes, Earthquake was a good understated heel. He didn't need to do crazy things to get over - it was just a bit of a shame things went downhill for him once he teamed up with 'Tugboat' (Typhoon). It's a shame about the cancer and wish him a speedy recovery.

I didn't know he was Golga though. Thanks for the info.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/07/04 at 4:08 pm

I wouldn't necessarily say that his career went downhill with Tugboat...because it was the only piece of gold to his name....the Tag Team Championship.  So it's another battle of perspective.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/07/04 at 7:00 pm


I wouldn't necessarily say that his career went downhill with Tugboat...because it was the only piece of gold to his name....the Tag Team Championship.  So it's another battle of perspective.


I appreciate he had the title - but there was no edge to him.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/08/04 at 3:41 pm


I wouldn't necessarily say that his career went downhill with Tugboat...because it was the only piece of gold to his name....the Tag Team Championship.  So it's another battle of perspective.



So,where did Tugboat/Typhoon go after Earthquake became Golga in 1996?
I'm thinking he went to WCW at the time.I also remember John Tenta was also in WCW as Shark.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/08/04 at 3:46 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/f/fredottman/03.jpg


So,who remembers Tugboat? The guy who'd always "toot" his way towards the ring and squash the competition.Later on,He became Typhoon.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/f/fredottman/02.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/08/04 at 4:58 pm


So,where did Tugboat/Typhoon go after Earthquake became Golga in 1996?
I'm thinking he went to WCW at the time.I also remember John Tenta was also in WCW as Shark.


Tugboat/Typhoon went to WCW and called himself 'The Shockmaster'. His debut was hilarious. He was supposed to have broken through a wall (drammatic entrance) after an introduction from Sting but he tripped and fell and his masked helmet fell off. Needless to say, he didn't last long.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/08/04 at 5:09 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/f/fredottman/06.jpg


Yeah,that was such a dumb gimmick.He looks like an idiot. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/08/04 at 5:22 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/f/fredottman/06.jpg

Yeah,that was such a dumb gimmick.He looks like an idiot. :P


Ha ha! That's the one, Howard.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/09/04 at 9:23 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rock/59.jpg

I kind of miss the old Rocky Miavia.the time when he was so happy,smiling,slapping hands without the pie,strudel,eyebrow and profanity he uses now.nobody seems to be happy anymore coming down the aisle.Everybody's angry at the world so to speak. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/10/04 at 5:22 am

You are absolutely right, Howard. What happened to the WCW Brian Pillman, Ricky Steamboat and 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan mentality? It is great when you see happy wrestlers but you rarely see them anymore. They are either sulky, angry or both!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/10/04 at 9:40 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jimduggan/21.jpg


This is who we need.someone who will always carry The American Flag with him all the time. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/10/04 at 9:41 am


You are absolutely right, Howard. What happened to the WCW Brian Pillman, Ricky Steamboat and 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan mentality? It is great when you see happy wrestlers but you rarely see them anymore. They are either sulky, angry or both!



Are they supposed to be angry? Does anyone ever slap hands anymore?  ???  ;D
You hardly see that these days except Ray Mysterio Or Billy Kidman.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/10/04 at 11:13 am

Oh a lot of the wrestlers give high fives....I went to a show in Des Moines, Iowa last year and a lot of the wrestlers were giving high fives..

Anyway I gotta say I like Hacksaw's Hoooooo's a hell of a lot better than I like the Godfathers!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/10/04 at 4:56 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jimduggan/21.jpg

This is who we need.someone who will always carry The American Flag with him all the time. ;D


Well, I'm not too sure what the WWF's statement was about 'The American Way' when they unleashed 'Hacksaw' onto the fans. He was a proud, patriotic guy that would always get cheered for using foreign objects (no pun intended LOL). He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed (to quote Smashmouth) either . . . He was a rousing crowd pleaser though.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/10/04 at 5:02 pm


Are they supposed to be angry? Does anyone ever slap hands anymore?  ???  ;D
You hardly see that these days except Ray Mysterio Or Billy Kidman.


They certainly don't have to be angry to get over with the crowd. I remember the tag team rosta were always giving hi-fives to the crowds (Young Pistols - WCW, Rockers - WWF, Rock 'n' Roll Express - WCW and even the serious wrestling teams like The Hart Foundation gave a hand or two to the fans).

Again, I've said it before, since the start of Attitude in 1998/99, the attitude of wrestlers had to take a harder edge to comply with this. Thus reducing their personalities in the process - yawn!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/10/04 at 6:01 pm




Well, I'm not too sure what the WWF's statement was about 'The American Way' when they unleashed 'Hacksaw' onto the fans. He was a proud, patriotic guy that would always get cheered for using foreign objects (no pun intended LOL). He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed (to quote Smashmouth) either . . . He was a rousing crowd pleaser though.



But,I think they cheered him more for his American Flag and the way he swung his 4x4 in the air.He always talked too fast like his tongue was tied. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/10/04 at 6:05 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/6/hacksawsgtslaughter.jpg


I'm sure you remember this wacky combination of Sgt.Slaugter and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/10/04 at 6:08 pm




They certainly don't have to be angry to get over with the crowd. I remember the tag team rosta were always giving hi-fives to the crowds (Young Pistols - WCW, Rockers - WWF, Rock 'n' Roll Express - WCW and even the serious wrestling teams like The Hart Foundation gave a hand or two to the fans).

Again, I've said it before, since the start of Attitude in 1998/99, the attitude of wrestlers had to take a harder edge to comply with this. Thus reducing their personalities in the process - yawn!



The WWF needs to take out the "Attitude".WWF should go back to normal,Get The F in and make everybody happy. :P ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/11/04 at 5:22 pm


But,I think they cheered him more for his American Flag and the way he swung his 4x4 in the air.He always talked too fast like his tongue was tied. ;D


Jim Duggan actually got the 2 by 4 idea from a film called 'Walking Tall' (the original 70s version not The Rock remake).

His tongue was always out, that was probably why he spoke so funny.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/11/04 at 5:31 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/6/hacksawsgtslaughter.jpg
I'm sure you remember this wacky combination of Sgt.Slaugter and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. ;D


This was a serious misfire on the WWF's part. It was probably the start of the 'not caring for the intelligence of the fans' attitude that the writers had. Look at this way, Sgt Slaughter was probably the most hated man in WWF history (due to the Gulf War) let alone 1991 when he upset The Ultimate Warrior for the WWF title. Once Slaughter lost the rematch to Hogan at Summerslam 1991, they could have used his heel persona for much more but they oddly placed him as a face straight after with no real logic or gradual change of attitude in time for Survivor Series 1991. It just makes no sense!

May I also advertise one of the best things the WWE have done so far and that is the 'Tagged Classics' DVDs that are coming out which feature 2 vintage WWF events. Wrestlemania's 1 to 4, Royal Rumble 1989 and 1990, Summerslam 1988 and 1989 and King of the Ring 1993 and 1994 - that's in the last 3 months or so, all have been reproduced from the original video tape so nothing is lost.

I recommend a look.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/11/04 at 5:57 pm

Speaking of Duggan...here is his Toker Buddy  the Iron Shiek.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/11/04 at 6:17 pm


Speaking of Duggan...here is his Toker Buddy  the Iron Shiek.


Heh heh. Good call, Harmonica.  ;D

I don't think we realise how much this guy got pushed in the early/mid 80s (a well-known fact is that Hulk Hogan beat him for the WWF title in a rather lacklustre match). He won the tag titles from the US Express at Wrestlemania 1, did quite well in the battle royal at Wrestlemania 2, won a tag match at Wrestlemania 3 (albeit disqualification) and then comes back as Col Mustapha (of course, he wasn't that much of a wrestler), leaves and then comes back at Wrestlemania 17 to win the gimmick battle royal!

He hasn't done bad.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/11/04 at 8:36 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/sgtslaughter/12.jpg


How about when General Adnan teamed with Iron Sheik & spoke such jibberish,it was hard to understand him.I thought he was really Iranian.Do you also believe Iron Sheik's accent?  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/11/04 at 8:40 pm




Heh heh. Good call, Harmonica.  ;D

I don't think we realise how much this guy got pushed in the early/mid 80s (a well-known fact is that Hulk Hogan beat him for the WWF title in a rather lacklustre match). He won the tag titles from the US Express at Wrestlemania 1, did quite well in the battle royal at Wrestlemania 2, won a tag match at Wrestlemania 3 (albeit disqualification) and then comes back as Col Mustapha (of course, he wasn't that much of a wrestler), leaves and then comes back at Wrestlemania 17 to win the gimmick battle royal!

He hasn't done bad.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/i/ironshiek/06.jpg


I don't think Iron Sheik was Iranian.He must've been some NYC shmoo and trying to be a convincing heel. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/11/04 at 11:29 pm

On the Contrary the Irong Sheik is Iranian in real life.  1968 Olympian in Freestyle Wrestling for the Iranian Olympic team.

If they were Amateurs before they were pro's, in wrestling, I know all about them.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/12/04 at 5:28 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/sgtslaughter/12.jpg

How about when General Adnan teamed with Iron Sheik & spoke such jibberish,it was hard to understand him.I thought he was really Iranian.Do you also believe Iron Sheik's accent?  ;D


Yes, and Sgt Slaughter nodded in agreement with what he was saying! So funny. I don't think the WWE deal in that kind of humour these days (reminiscent to the wonderful teaming of Ric Flair, Mr Perfect and Bobby Heenan - a true stroke of genius in 1992).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/12/04 at 9:18 pm




Yes, and Sgt Slaughter nodded in agreement with what he was saying! So funny. I don't think the WWE deal in that kind of humour these days (reminiscent to the wonderful teaming of Ric Flair, Mr Perfect and Bobby Heenan - a true stroke of genius in 1992).



But Was General Adnan really Iranian or was that his gimmick?



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/12/04 at 9:20 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bolshivics/01.jpg


Who remembers The Bolshevicks? I miss The Russians these days. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/13/04 at 6:29 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bolshivics/01.jpg


Who remembers The Bolshevicks? I miss The Russians these days. ;D


That is one team that looked the part but were really awful (I could never understand why Nikolai Volkoff was wrestling for so long? Especially when he used that stupid turning kick all the time). I loved it when The Hart Foundation beat The Bolsheviks at Wrestlemania 6 in, how long? I think it was about 20 or 30 seconds.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/13/04 at 12:58 pm

Nikolia was a decent wrestler...and he wrestled so long because well it was his life and he was good at it.

Now Boris Zukov on the other hand didn't last to long.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/13/04 at 3:43 pm

Astute informative, and generally unbiased and correct.

You wanna make a wrestling website with me?

seriously

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/13/04 at 3:47 pm




Wrestling thrives on storylines. Most were simple but they were storylines nonetheless. The feud between The Bossman and The Mountie was at least relevant (two areas of law enforcement face off against each other - looking at it more deeply America V Canada). The Jailhouse match at Summerslam was awful but the vignettes that occurred during the P-P-V was funny and showed one of it's daring scenes at the time when The Mountie was stuck in a cell with another prisoner. That was cheeky though and wasn't raunchy IMO.

I didn't see the part where HHH was pretending to screw a corpse. How wrong is that!?! What I find ironic is these people you say are trying to be 'normal', Harmonica, by following mob mentality has opted to go for the necrophilia option instead.  ;D


Man oh Man... was that ever funny...

...the Mountie was one under-rated Canadian wrestler.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/13/04 at 3:49 pm


Astute informative, and generally unbiased and correct.

You wanna make a wrestling website with me?

seriously


Whoopsl this was an assesment of comments made by Howard (I think) about page 5 or 6 on the steroid scandle, Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels/Stone Cold/Vince, and the changing of the demogrphics of wrestling.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/13/04 at 4:20 pm






You might be interested to know that Bertha Faye (before hitting the WWE) was a amazing power wrestler from Calgary, Alberta.  Within two months of being trained for wrestling and shipped to Japan promotion All-Japan.

When she hit the WWE her moves were taken (no more power moves as they were used by the men) and she was quite frustrated.  The fact that she won the title in Japan in five months speaks volumes for how she learned.  She learned everything in wrestling the hard way.

But she made it, and in Japan no less.

Unfortunately she passed away in Calgary a few years ago.

Trust me, she was more than she appeared when she hit North America.  She was just not given any chances, not unlike most women wrestlers.

Link: http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosS/sing_rhonda_01jan-can.html

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/13/04 at 4:54 pm


You might be interested to know that Bertha Faye (before hitting the WWE) was a amazing power wrestler from Calgary, Alberta.  Within two months of being trained for wrestling and shipped to Japan promotion All-Japan.

When she hit the WWE her moves were taken (no more power moves as they were used by the men) and she was quite frustrated.  The fact that she won the title in Japan in five months speaks volumes for how she learned.  She learned everything in wrestling the hard way.

But she made it, and in Japan no less.

Unfortunately she passed away in Calgary a few years ago.

Trust me, she was more than she appeared when she hit North America.  She was just not given any chances, not unlike most women wrestlers.

Link: http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosS/sing_rhonda_01jan-can.html


Thanks for the info, Canuck.  :)

Faye did not fit the usually demographic for women's wrestling and I suppose the WWF had to punish her for it. Judging by what I have read, I would love to have seen her wrestling in Japan.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/13/04 at 4:58 pm


Man oh Man... was that ever funny...

...the Mountie was one under-rated Canadian wrestler.


;D

The Mountie wrestled as part of The Rougeau Brothers (he was Jacques) and couldn't shift the Canadian theme after they split in 1990. I think he was the quickest of a row of people to beat Tito Santana at a Wrestlemania (7) but that was due to the use of his cattleprod after about a minute of chasing around.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/13/04 at 5:36 pm




;D

The Mountie wrestled as part of The Rougeau Brothers (he was Jacques) and couldn't shift the Canadian theme after they split in 1990. I think he was the quickest of a row of people to beat Tito Santana at a Wrestlemania (7) but that was due to the use of his cattleprod after about a minute of chasing around.


I feel like such a s**t not realizing it was a Rougeau... and I claim to be a Canuck  :D.  Did he have a fruity little mustache?

The way I watch wrestling has been intermittent for most of my life, with the exception being my early childhood.  Being from Calgary, Alberta, Canada it really has been a struggle to completely escape beng affected by what has been going on before and after Montreal.

Speaking of which, once again, I can't believe I didn't rearealize was a Rougeau.   ;D

Lately I have been reading a lot of of history for a website that I am considering creating.

Thus, I was looking up female champions, specifically the history of the generations of champions and their contribution, which lead me to this thread. Which completely sidetracked me because I am one of those that turn the channel when the story begins and the wrestling ends.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/14/04 at 12:31 am

Question for you all

what do you think of the lightweight belt?

I don't like it.....lightweights can win the Heavyweight but heavyweight can't win the light weight...Don't like that

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/14/04 at 10:01 am




;D

The Mountie wrestled as part of The Rougeau Brothers (he was Jacques) and couldn't shift the Canadian theme after they split in 1990. I think he was the quickest of a row of people to beat Tito Santana at a Wrestlemania (7) but that was due to the use of his cattleprod after about a minute of chasing around.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jacquesrougeau/12.jpg


Well,he did have some good feuds with The Big Boss Man,Sgt.Slaughter,Tito Santana,Greg Valentine,and Bret Hart.
I always wondered if that shockstick was real?  ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/14/04 at 10:07 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bradshaw/04.jpg


Now compare Bradshaw's old gimmick to now.Which would you prefer? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: PhiKapDave on 08/14/04 at 10:11 am


Question for you all

what do you think of the lightweight belt?

I don't like it.....lightweights can win the Heavyweight but heavyweight can't win the light weight...Don't like that


I never cared much for it. To me, the lightweight title has about as much credibility as did the European and Hardcore titles, which wasn't much, in my book -- at least in the later years of their existance.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/14/04 at 10:27 am

Howard - Facial hair makes you look older don't it?  I notice that about Billy Gunn and JBL.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/14/04 at 10:37 am


Howard - Facial hair makes you look older don't it?  I notice that about Billy Gunn and JBL.



yes like in this 1994 pic with Smoking Gunns. ;D


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/smokinggunns/03.jpg

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/14/04 at 12:58 pm


Question for you all

what do you think of the lightweight belt?

I don't like it.....lightweights can win the Heavyweight but heavyweight can't win the light weight...Don't like that


When the Monday Wight Wars were taking place I found myself, for the first time, watching WCW.  The reason was exclusively the lightweights.

The reason it has no credibility in the WWE is because they don't commit any time to bringing more cruiserweights out, besides the handful that they have flimsy storylines around.  Using Ultimo Dragon as a jobber is a crime. Missing out on Psychosis and other incredible performers, if unspectacular physical specimens, because your taking away time from big guys to me doesn't make sense.

While borderline heavyweights like Eddie Guererro and Chris Beniot have gotten major pushes lately I don't think there is a chance in heck that they will be switching the titles between themselves, HHH, and Orton over the next five years. More than likely they will be going around the route of 'ol Chris Jericho, never to see a title again.

I find it hard to care myself when Spike Dudley, no offense intended to those that like him, is the pinnacle of the division. He may have a decent presence but give me a luchador anyday.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/14/04 at 3:10 pm


I feel like such a s**t not realizing it was a Rougeau... and I claim to be a Canuck  :D.  Did he have a fruity little mustache?

The way I watch wrestling has been intermittent for most of my life, with the exception being my early childhood.  Being from Calgary, Alberta, Canada it really has been a struggle to completely escape beng affected by what has been going on before and after Montreal.

Speaking of which, once again, I can't believe I didn't rearealize was a Rougeau.   ;D

Lately I have been reading a lot of of history for a website that I am considering creating.

Thus, I was looking up female champions, specifically the history of the generations of champions and their contribution, which lead me to this thread. Which completely sidetracked me because I am one of those that turn the channel when the story begins and the wrestling ends.


Ha ha! No worries. I have been watching wrestling for a long time (getting on for 15 years) and I get my facts wrong or don't realise things either.

It was Raymond Rougeau that had 'the fruity little moustache'.  ;D What a lot of people don't realise is that they were faces before they quickly turned to heels.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/14/04 at 3:15 pm


When the Monday Wight Wars were taking place I found myself, for the first time, watching WCW.  The reason was exclusively the lightweights.

The reason it has no credibility in the WWE is because they don't commit any time to bringing more cruiserweights out, besides the handful that they have flimsy storylines around.  Using Ultimo Dragon as a jobber is a crime. Missing out on Psychosis and other incredible performers, if unspectacular physical specimens, because your taking away time from big guys to me doesn't make sense.

While borderline heavyweights like Eddie Guererro and Chris Beniot have gotten major pushes lately I don't think there is a chance in heck that they will be switching the titles between themselves, HHH, and Orton over the next five years. More than likely they will be going around the route of 'ol Chris Jericho, never to see a title again.

I find it hard to care myself when Spike Dudley, no offense intended to those that like him, is the pinnacle of the division. He may have a decent presence but give me a luchador anyday.


I agree with everything said, Canuck. The main reason I started watching WCW Nitro was that I managed to catch a 6 man dance full of lucha libre-style wrestlers (of the ones I remember, La Parka, Blitzkreig and Psychosis). It lasted about half an hour and it was absolutely brilliant.

The way the WWE have used Ultimo Dragon is like placing Hulk Hogan in the first match of a Wrestlemania!!!!  :o

Spike Dudley was much better in ECW (like a lot of the wrestlers that made the transition - including Rob Van Dam!). I saw Spike get thrown through about 4 or 5 tables in one match against Mike Awesome - boy did he earn his money back then.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/15/04 at 10:18 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/spikedudley/13.jpg


Whatever became of this version of Spike Dudley?
What about their dorky glasses? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/15/04 at 10:23 am




Ha ha! No worries. I have been watching wrestling for a long time (getting on for 15 years) and I get my facts wrong or don't realise things either.

It was Raymond Rougeau that had 'the fruity little moustache'.  ;D What a lot of people don't realise is that they were faces before they quickly turned to heels.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/p/pierreoulette/21.jpg

remember when they broke up in the early 90's and then you had Pierre The Pirate? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/15/04 at 11:44 am

I remember Jean Pieree Lifiet spelling is way off but he had a few moments. He had a fued with Bret Hart where he stole the Hitman's jacket and had to pay the price by submitting to the sharpshooter.  I always admired Bret Hart whether it was Ric Flair or some meaningless Jobber Bret could always sell a fued.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/15/04 at 7:52 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/spikedudley/13.jpg


Whatever became of this version of Spike Dudley?
What about their dorky glasses? ;D


I've got Summerslam on as we speak and I had to laugh at what they are trying to do to Spike Dudley. They are making him leader of the Dudley Boys acting as some kind of 'little leader'. That would never happen in ECW!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/15/04 at 10:40 pm




I agree with everything said, Canuck. The main reason I started watching WCW Nitro was that I managed to catch a 6 man dance full of lucha libre-style wrestlers (of the ones I remember, La Parka, Blitzkreig and Psychosis). It lasted about half an hour and it was absolutely brilliant.

The way the WWE have used Ultimo Dragon is like placing Hulk Hogan in the first match of a Wrestlemania!!!!  :o

Spike Dudley was much better in ECW (like a lot of the wrestlers that made the transition - including Rob Van Dam!). I saw Spike get thrown through about 4 or 5 tables in one match against Mike Awesome - boy did he earn his money back then.  ;D


I was only able to catch Britzkreig a few times when he first entered the WCW.  I was really impressed by his speed but as far as I can tell he dropped off the face of North America after the companies were bought out.

As for ECW... I caught it quite late.  I think my first PPV was when RVD did the Van Terminator (?!) for the first time. My buds, who are insane wrestling fans most likely because their last name is Hart (coincedence), told me about 100 times what I was missing.  Overall I was pretty damn impressed that day.

Speaking of earning your money, I was watching a wrestling video from a federation I can't quite remember.  The main reason I am bringing it up is because they were throwing each other on flouresent lights and in one instance New Jack and threw some fat guy 75-100 feet onto a collection of tables in the ring. He missed them all but three, bounced off them, and hung himself up in the ropes.  I really wish I could explain it better or have more information but it is, by far, the most unreal thing I have ever watched.

If that was me...

... they could keep their damn money  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/16/04 at 10:40 am

TALK ABOUT BAD LUCK  - We have an independent show not more than 6 miles away from my hometown. It's called IPW Impact Pro Wrestling. I'm moving Thursday to attend college 6 hours away, and I get informed that they are going to have one of my all time Favorite Wrestlers come in for a show, Marty Jannetty. This sucks...cause I highly doubt that I'll be able to come home that weekend.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/16/04 at 11:22 am

As for ECW... I caught it quite late.  I think my first PPV was when RVD did the Van Terminator (?!) for the first time. My buds, who are insane wrestling fans most likely because their last name is Hart (coincedence), told me about 100 times what I was missing.  Overall I was pretty darn impressed that day.

I keep saying it, ECW had more quality in it than WWF and WCW at the time. They were not afraid to throw plot out the window either (whether that was planned or not). My heros are The Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, Rob Van Dam (forget what he is doing in WWE at the moment - it's pitiful), The Dudley Boys (forget what they are doing in WWE at the moment - it's pitiful  ;D) and Jerry Lynn. They were incredible! ECW had a big reputation for garbage matches but they could put on some wonderful classic wrestling matches.

Speaking of earning your money, I was watching a wrestling video from a federation I can't quite remember.  The main reason I am bringing it up is because they were throwing each other on flouresent lights and in one instance New Jack and threw some fat guy 75-100 feet onto a collection of tables in the ring. He missed them all but three, bounced off them, and hung himself up in the ropes.  I really wish I could explain it better or have more information but it is, by far, the most unreal thing I have ever watched.


That reminds me of something I saw on the net a few months back. Vic Grimes (formerly of ECW) got thrown from a top balcony towards some tables, barely missed the tables and landed in the ring ropes! I reckon it was the same thing and, yes, it was one of the most incredible things I have seen as well (beating Mankind's famous fall off the cell back in 1998).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/16/04 at 12:52 pm

Anyone watch the PPV last night? I avoided purchasing it purely because I knew Orton would win.

He's talented, a good talker, and has the 'old' business in his blood. Moreso, I really have enjoyed watching him wrestle from jump. Problem is, he hasn't put in the time.

Remember when the Heavyweight title meant something? (no offense to champion Brock "I almost killed myself and countless other people in the ring because I can't perfom" Lesner)

Or am I just glossing over the past?

I think a happy medium between the patronizing cartoon characters and the raunchy 'corpse humping' storylines would make me put down my money for a PPV.  Maybe then I will put $40 down.  Until then, I'm watching a taped version so I can ffwd to the action.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/16/04 at 12:54 pm


TALK ABOUT BAD LUCK  - We have an independent show not more than 6 miles away from my hometown. It's called IPW Impact Pro Wrestling. I'm moving Thursday to attend college 6 hours away, and I get informed that they are going to have one of my all time Favorite Wrestlers come in for a show, Marty Jannetty. This sucks...cause I highly doubt that I'll be able to come home that weekend.


I always liked Janetty. He could out-wrestle most of the guys in the federation today.  He was a solid jobber with some pretty special highlights.  In that sense he reminds me of Brian Blair, does his job and makes people look better than they are because he knows what he is doing.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/16/04 at 2:34 pm

Riddle me this...

...whose dance step are these?

knife-edge chop, (pulled) punch (holding the chin of his opponent), figure-four leglock, (kick out of a) backslide, upside down running bump into the turnbuckle, land on feet, run to next turnbuckle, get clotheslined on the way, or bump off the top rope holding his opponent’s hair, land on side, get on knees and beg opponent not to hurt him, poke opponent’s eyes, get up, take a few steps forward or backward, face plant. Repeat as necessary, varying steps only slightly.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/16/04 at 3:42 pm




I always liked Janetty. He could out-wrestle most of the guys in the federation today.  He was a solid jobber with some pretty special highlights.  In that sense he reminds me of Brian Blair, does his job and makes people look better than they are because he knows what he is doing.



He was just as good or better than Shawn. He was supposed to get big pushes and have even a larger fued than what he did with his former Rocker Teammate but he decided that partying, and women were more important than Wrestling, so as a result he left WWE, and when he came back he'd leave again, by the time he realized that he can't do that, McMahon was already in the I won't forgive you stage and had Jannetty job to Steve Austin and Savio Vega a numerous amount of times before making a mockery out of him and teaming him with Al Snow.  Too bad, cause we could of seen another WWE multiple IC Champion, or maybe even a World Belt once or twice. He'd of been one that deserved the belt, unlike so many of todays WWE Champions.



Riddle me this...

...whose dance step are these?

knife-edge chop, (pulled) punch (holding the chin of his opponent), figure-four leglock, (kick out of a) backslide, upside down running bump into the turnbuckle, land on feet, run to next turnbuckle, get clotheslined on the way, or bump off the top rope holding his opponent’s hair, land on side, get on knees and beg opponent not to hurt him, poke opponent’s eyes, get up, take a few steps forward or backward, face plant. Repeat as necessary, varying steps only slightly.


The Nature Boy...Whoo!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/16/04 at 8:22 pm

He was just as good or better than Shawn. He was supposed to get big pushes and have even a larger fued than what he did with his former Rocker Teammate but he decided that partying, and women were more important than Wrestling, so as a result he left WWE, and when he came back he'd leave again, by the time he realized that he can't do that, McMahon was already in the I won't forgive you stage and had Jannetty job to Steve Austin and Savio Vega a numerous amount of times before making a mockery out of him and teaming him with Al Snow.  Too bad, cause we could of seen another WWE multiple IC Champion, or maybe even a World Belt once or twice. He'd of been one that deserved the belt, unlike so many of todays WWE Champions.

I liked Marty and, as part of the old Rockers, did great things with Shawn but I don't consider him to be a title-holder. His 1993 comeback wasn't too bad but I think he came back mid-way through the 90s and would not recover from the travesty of joining with Leif Cassidy (Al Snow) as 'The New Rockers' (any tag-team called 'The New . . .' is a kiss of death before they perform in the ring).

Riddle me this...

...whose dance step are these?

knife-edge chop, (pulled) punch (holding the chin of his opponent), figure-four leglock, (kick out of a) backslide, upside down running bump into the turnbuckle, land on feet, run to next turnbuckle, get clotheslined on the way, or bump off the top rope holding his opponent’s hair, land on side, get on knees and beg opponent not to hurt him, poke opponent’s eyes, get up, take a few steps forward or backward, face plant. Repeat as necessary, varying steps only slightly.

The Nature Boy...Whoo!



Lol. He's been doing that for over 30 years! I loved his 1992 Royal Rumble win after picking number 3.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/16/04 at 8:29 pm


Anyone watch the PPV last night? I avoided purchasing it purely because I knew Orton would win.

He's talented, a good talker, and has the 'old' business in his blood. Moreso, I really have enjoyed watching him wrestle from jump. Problem is, he hasn't put in the time.

Remember when the Heavyweight title meant something? (no offense to champion Brock "I almost killed myself and countless other people in the ring because I can't perfom" Lesner)

Or am I just glossing over the past?

I think a happy medium between the patronizing cartoon characters and the raunchy 'corpse humping' storylines would make me put down my money for a PPV.  Maybe then I will put $40 down.  Until then, I'm watching a taped version so I can ffwd to the action.


I saw the P-P-V (I won't give away the results - I'm not a spoiler). I can tell you that, for the first time in ages, a mutual handshake occurred after a match! Very good. I don't mind Randy Orton these days (I used to hate him) but Canuck, you are correct, he hasn't put in the time. He is also starting to act a little like The Rock which is discouraging as well.

As for the P-P-V itself, I've seen better but the Kurt Angle V Eddie Guerrero match was good and the main event was excellent. Two questions though, why wasn't Rob Van Dam involved in a major match one the P-P-V? (wrestled Rene Dupree on Heat) and why did we have to endure a pathetic Diva Dodgeball contest?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/16/04 at 8:38 pm




I saw the P-P-V (I won't give away the results - I'm not a spoiler). I can tell you that, for the first time in ages, a mutual handshake occurred after a match! Very good. I don't mind Randy Orton these days (I used to hate him) but Canuck, you are correct, he hasn't put in the time. He is also starting to act a little like The Rock which is discouraging as well.

As for the P-P-V itself, I've seen better but the Kurt Angle V Eddie Guerrero match was good and the main event was excellent. Two questions though, why wasn't Rob Van Dam involved in a major match one the P-P-V? (wrestled Rene Dupree on Heat) and why did we have to endure a pathetic Diva Dodgeball contest?




I liked Orton from the second he stepped in the ring (okay, so the "Get Well Randy" was ill-conceived and far too long). My worry becomes if they have not put in the time, they have less loyalty to the biz.

Orton could go the way of Rock...

...to Hollywood, which would be a shame.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/16/04 at 9:27 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rockers/01.jpg


Here is a picture of The Rockers 15 years ago when they were popular. :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/16/04 at 10:11 pm




He was just as good or better than Shawn. He was supposed to get big pushes and have even a larger fued than what he did with his former Rocker Teammate but he decided that partying, and women were more important than Wrestling, so as a result he left WWE, and when he came back he'd leave again, by the time he realized that he can't do that, McMahon was already in the I won't forgive you stage and had Jannetty job to Steve Austin and Savio Vega a numerous amount of times before making a mockery out of him and teaming him with Al Snow.  Too bad, cause we could of seen another WWE multiple IC Champion, or maybe even a World Belt once or twice. He'd of been one that deserved the belt, unlike so many of todays WWE Champions.



I do remember him coming back, and that storyline did seem to come to an end rather abruptly.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/17/04 at 10:48 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rockers/01.jpg

Here is a picture of The Rockers 15 years ago when they were popular. :)


I reckon The Rockers were trying to imitate WCW's Rock and Roll Express (Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson). However, they were a brilliant imitation so you can't fault the organisation for that.  ;)

I remember The Rockers at the end of 1988 in the big tag bash at Survivor Series (if only the WWE had a rosta half-way like it these days) and Marty Jannetty did a wonderful spin out of a hiptoss - I still haven't seen that done since. Truly brilliant.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/17/04 at 10:50 am


I liked Orton from the second he stepped in the ring (okay, so the "Get Well Randy" was ill-conceived and far too long). My worry becomes if they have not put in the time, they have less loyalty to the biz.

Orton could go the way of Rock...

...to Hollywood, which would be a shame.


As much as everyone hates Hogan, at least he tried to juggle two careers at the same time.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/17/04 at 1:23 pm




As much as everyone hates Hogan, at least he tried to juggle two careers at the same time.


I was always a big sucker for a good gimmick like Hogan, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and JYD when I was younger.

Today, I like cheering for a good heel like when Orton first came out.  I have no trouble cheering for a heel and face in the same match. I guess I should have been born Montreal, or at least in the Toronto crowd at SS.  ;D

I guess they pretty much skewered Untertaker and JBL, as some fans have voiced their frustration in http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=11110, saying the chants of "You Screwed Bret", "Spanish Announce Table", and more distracted their pleasure.  I don't doubt it, but in this case that why I suddenly want to watch it.

We Canadian's, in general,  don't take storylines to heart and basically cheer for who we think has good mic skills and wrestling ability. Angle was always cheered in Montreal no matterj what.  SS reminded me of WM 19 when the crowd overwhelmingly booed Rock and cheered Hogan.

Then it reminded me that in WM XX the Madison crowd absolutley phased Goldberg/Lesner by turning on them.

Have there been any other memorably strange crowd reactions in the last decade.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 08/17/04 at 2:27 pm

Don't know about a really strange reaction, but I do remember the Raven/Goldberg match back in WCW for the U.S. Title. There was a section of the match where Raven tried to climb over the guardrail and get away from the match but the crowd pretty much picked him back up and shoved him back in. Heard it might have been planned though...

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/17/04 at 3:28 pm


Don't know about a really strange reaction, but I do remember the Raven/Goldberg match back in WCW for the U.S. Title. There was a section of the match where Raven tried to climb over the guardrail and get away from the match but the crowd pretty much picked him back up and shoved him back in. Heard it might have been planned though...

Kryllith


That kind of stuff happens over in Japan all the time.  I was watching a match between Kensuke Sasuke and Vader and when Vader Tossed Sasuke over the top rope the fans caught him and rolled him back into the ring.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/17/04 at 4:18 pm




I reckon The Rockers were trying to imitate WCW's Rock and Roll Express (Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson). However, they were a brilliant imitation so you can't fault the organisation for that.  ;)

I remember The Rockers at the end of 1988 in the big tag bash at Survivor Series (if only the WWE had a rosta half-way like it these days) and Marty Jannetty did a wonderful spin out of a hiptoss - I still haven't seen that done since. Truly brilliant.



Or how about when Shawn Michaels threw Marty Jannety threw the barbershop glass plate window 13 years ago? :o
Shawn Michaels automatically got booed.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/17/04 at 4:24 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/randyorton/08.jpg


I couldn't believe what happened with Evolution last night.They all went bezerk on Randy Orton.I can see Randy becoming a major babyface by 2005.I hope Bob Orton his father interferes in one of the matches one day.That would be sweet to have Ric Flair and Bob Orton go at it one on one.Then HHH and Batista get their clocks cleaned afterwards. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/17/04 at 4:51 pm


I was always a big sucker for a good gimmick like Hogan, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and JYD when I was younger.

Today, I like cheering for a good heel like when Orton first came out.  I have no trouble cheering for a heel and face in the same match. I guess I should have been born Montreal, or at least in the Toronto crowd at SS.  ;D

I guess they pretty much skewered Untertaker and JBL, as some fans have voiced their frustration in http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=11110, saying the chants of "You Screwed Bret", "Spanish Announce Table", and more distracted their pleasure.  I don't doubt it, but in this case that why I suddenly want to watch it.

We Canadian's, in general,  don't take storylines to heart and basically cheer for who we think has good mic skills and wrestling ability. Angle was always cheered in Montreal no matterj what.  SS reminded me of WM 19 when the crowd overwhelmingly booed Rock and cheered Hogan.

Then it reminded me that in WM XX the Madison crowd absolutley phased Goldberg/Lesner by turning on them.

Have there been any other memorably strange crowd reactions in the last decade.


Same here, Canuck. The Honky Tonk Man was one of my favourites purely because they were playing it for laughs.

Thanks for the site reference. I agree with a lot of what was said (though I may have to watch the P-P-V again to get the crowd reaction thing). One thing that was mentioned was Ric Flair swearing at the referee several times - you're a legend, Ric, you've just disgraced yourself!

It's showing that the crowd aren't as stupid as Vince thinks they are.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/17/04 at 4:53 pm


Or how about when Shawn Michaels threw Marty Jannety threw the barbershop glass plate window 13 years ago? :o
Shawn Michaels automatically got booed.


That was a big thing back then. I think it was one of the first times the WWF used background surroundings as part of their plot lines.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/17/04 at 4:54 pm


Don't know about a really strange reaction, but I do remember the Raven/Goldberg match back in WCW for the U.S. Title. There was a section of the match where Raven tried to climb over the guardrail and get away from the match but the crowd pretty much picked him back up and shoved him back in. Heard it might have been planned though...

Kryllith


In ECW, Bam Bam Bigelow picked Spike Dudley up and gorilla pressed him into the crowd. Spike was body-surfed back towards the ring!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/17/04 at 5:52 pm




That was a big thing back then. I think it was one of the first times the WWF used background surroundings as part of their plot lines.



I thought the plate glass window was real,turns out it was a fake prop.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/17/04 at 5:55 pm




Same here, Canuck. The Honky Tonk Man was one of my favourites purely because they were playing it for laughs.

Thanks for the site reference. I agree with a lot of what was said (though I may have to watch the P-P-V again to get the crowd reaction thing). One thing that was mentioned was Ric Flair swearing at the referee several times - you're a legend, Ric, you've just disgraced yourself!

It's showing that the crowd aren't as stupid as Vince thinks they are.  ::)




http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rab/02.jpg


I think having Greg Valentine dyed his hair jet black was just a terrible idea.He looked like a moron. ::) :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 08/18/04 at 8:00 am

Anybody remember this match? I was in the mid-90s I think, with Shawn Michaels in a match with I THINK Bret Hart. Half way through the match Michaels had just performs some realitive simple move which put Hart out of the ring (clothesline over the ropes, maybe) and then turned around away from Bret and started getting all jacked up, pumping his arms and such. Then he like wobbled a little, reached up to hold his head, and collapsed to the mat. Didn't seem to be any reason for him to do it, and when Bret came into the ring ring he was all over Shawn, trying to get a response from him and, I believe, signalling the EMT's to come down to the ring to get him. There wasn't any reversal that I recall (ie, Shawn wasn't faking to lure Bret in).

Just curious because it's one of the times I can recall when the reality of wrestling is really shown. We see people get all bloody and stuff, but most of the time they just keep fighting it out and going for pinfalls. Bret never even tried to cover Shawn, so it was fairly obvious it wasn't something planned. Obviously other things like this of happen (the death of Owen, for example) but rarely (at least from what I've seen) is it something so mysterious... usually if there's an actual disaster in the ring, we can see the cause.

Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone remembers this, since I can't remember there being any followup story on what happened to Shawn that night...

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/18/04 at 9:21 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rab/02.jpg


I think having Greg Valentine dyed his hair jet black was just a terrible idea.He looked like a moron. ::) :P


I could never understand why the WWF did this to Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine - maybe because he was the most similar looking to Elvis they could find in the locker-room, perhaps? Greg just looked so out-of-place it was ridiculous (especially when 'playing' Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/18/04 at 9:28 am


Anybody remember this match? I was in the mid-90s I think, with Shawn Michaels in a match with I THINK Bret Hart. Half way through the match Michaels had just performs some realitive simple move which put Hart out of the ring (clothesline over the ropes, maybe) and then turned around away from Bret and started getting all jacked up, pumping his arms and such. Then he like wobbled a little, reached up to hold his head, and collapsed to the mat. Didn't seem to be any reason for him to do it, and when Bret came into the ring ring he was all over Shawn, trying to get a response from him and, I believe, signalling the EMT's to come down to the ring to get him. There wasn't any reversal that I recall (ie, Shawn wasn't faking to lure Bret in).

Just curious because it's one of the times I can recall when the reality of wrestling is really shown. We see people get all bloody and stuff, but most of the time they just keep fighting it out and going for pinfalls. Bret never even tried to cover Shawn, so it was fairly obvious it wasn't something planned. Obviously other things like this of happen (the death of Owen, for example) but rarely (at least from what I've seen) is it something so mysterious... usually if there's an actual disaster in the ring, we can see the cause.

Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone remembers this, since I can't remember there being any followup story on what happened to Shawn that night...

Kryllith


I haven't seen that (though Bret and Shawn were wrestling each other through the main part of the 90s). It must have been pretty bad because a lot of wrestlers can work through a match while injured (I remember Bret talking about the time he got seriously injured by Dino Bravo but he had to take the punishment because he was such a good seller - Dino didn't have a clue!). I think it would make wrestling more credible to show these rare occassions - it would also be a message to the impressionable youngsters who watch the wrestling (who really shouldn't these days) and then jump onto each other off wardrobes!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: PhiKapDave on 08/18/04 at 10:22 am




We Canadian's, in general,  don't take storylines to heart and basically cheer for who we think has good mic skills and wrestling ability. Angle was always cheered in Montreal no matterj what.  SS reminded me of WM 19 when the crowd overwhelmingly booed Rock and cheered Hogan.

Then it reminded me that in WM XX the Madison crowd absolutley phased Goldberg/Lesner by turning on them.

Have there been any other memorably strange crowd reactions in the last decade.


I was at the Skydome for WMX-8 and I couldn't believe the reaction Hogan received during his match with The Rock. Unreal. I was at Wrestlemania III, as well, and the pop for Hogan when he slammed Andre was nothing compared to the ovation he go during his match with The Rock. What surprised me most was the number of people who left after that match. There were a least a couple of thousand who left...with two matches to go. That card was badly booked from the standpoint of having HHH vs. Jericho last. I know that was the Undisputed title match, but Hogan-Rock was the true main event.

Another strange crowd reaction was HHH vs. a face Scott Steiner, who got booed during last year's Royal Rumble at the FleetCenter in Boston.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: PhiKapDave on 08/18/04 at 10:32 am

Other "strange" crowd reactions:

-- Fans booing a happy-go-lucky babyface Rock ("Rocky Sucks")
-- Fans cheering a cocky, arrogant Rock
-- Fans cheering a ruthless Stone Cold Steve Austin (Around 1997)
-- Fans cheering the "cool heel" NWO

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/18/04 at 4:14 pm


Anybody remember this match? I was in the mid-90s I think, with Shawn Michaels in a match with I THINK Bret Hart. Half way through the match Michaels had just performs some realitive simple move which put Hart out of the ring (clothesline over the ropes, maybe) and then turned around away from Bret and started getting all jacked up, pumping his arms and such. Then he like wobbled a little, reached up to hold his head, and collapsed to the mat. Didn't seem to be any reason for him to do it, and when Bret came into the ring ring he was all over Shawn, trying to get a response from him and, I believe, signalling the EMT's to come down to the ring to get him. There wasn't any reversal that I recall (ie, Shawn wasn't faking to lure Bret in).

Just curious because it's one of the times I can recall when the reality of wrestling is really shown. We see people get all bloody and stuff, but most of the time they just keep fighting it out and going for pinfalls. Bret never even tried to cover Shawn, so it was fairly obvious it wasn't something planned. Obviously other things like this of happen (the death of Owen, for example) but rarely (at least from what I've seen) is it something so mysterious... usually if there's an actual disaster in the ring, we can see the cause.

Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone remembers this, since I can't remember there being any followup story on what happened to Shawn that night...

Kryllith


The most similar occurance I remember to that match was Not Bret Hart Vs Shawn Michaels...but Owen Hart Vs Shawn Michaels. Owen Nailed his pattened Enzenguri to the side of Michaels head and a little while later Michaels just colappsed in the ring.  I remember Owen actually being concerned that he had hurt Michaels, only after finding out that Michaels was going to be ok, he turned it into a gimmick to promote Diesle Vs Owen Hart at the next PPV.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/18/04 at 7:30 pm


I was at the Skydome for WMX-8 and I couldn't believe the reaction Hogan received during his match with The Rock. Unreal. I was at Wrestlemania III, as well, and the pop for Hogan when he slammed Andre was nothing compared to the ovation he go during his match with The Rock. What surprised me most was the number of people who left after that match. There were a least a couple of thousand who left...with two matches to go. That card was badly booked from the standpoint of having HHH vs. Jericho last. I know that was the Undisputed title match, but Hogan-Rock was the true main event.

Another strange crowd reaction was HHH vs. a face Scott Steiner, who got booed during last year's Royal Rumble at the FleetCenter in Boston.


I think the crowd pop thing got over-the-top. The day after, Hulk returned to Smackdown and he got an ovation that lasted I don't know how long. Pops mean absolutely nothing. The Japanese love wrestling but appreciate it in a more restrained way. The WWE seem to think that the louder the pop, the better the match!

As for Scott Steiner getting a strange reaction, I think that was because he was a fully fledged heel in WCW. To turn up as a face against HHH must have confused the crowd (I couldn't even allow for that one). He was also unresponsive to the crowd and is way past his best (long gone are his tag-team days with his brother Rick  :\'().

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: PhiKapDave on 08/18/04 at 8:26 pm




I think the crowd pop thing got over-the-top. The day after, Hulk returned to Smackdown and he got an ovation that lasted I don't know how long. Pops mean absolutely nothing. The Japanese love wrestling but appreciate it in a more restrained way. The WWE seem to think that the louder the pop, the better the match!

As for Scott Steiner getting a strange reaction, I think that was because he was a fully fledged heel in WCW. To turn up as a face against HHH must have confused the crowd (I couldn't even allow for that one). He was also unresponsive to the crowd and is way past his best (long gone are his tag-team days with his brother Rick  :\'().


No question, "pops" have no bearing on the quality of the match from a technical perspective. By no means was Hogan's match with the Rock something I'd categorize as great...not even very good. It was, though, better than I expected.  However, being there live, I was taken aback by the reaction from the crowd. I've never been a Hogan fan, but I couldn't help but be impressed with someone who elicited the kind of response Hogan got that night. A good portion of that crowd was emotionally spent afterward. A very good match? No. Somewhat entertaining? Yes (at least for me). Hogan and Rock worked well with what they had, which was loads of charisma.

As for Steiner, I thought he got booed at the Royal Rumble because his work was horrid. I don't see how Steiner's being a face could've confused the Boston fans, because Steiner had been booked as a face since his WWE return, which was two months prior at the 2002 Survivor Series at Madison Square Garden. When Steiner cleared the ring of Matt Hardy and Chris Nowinski and delivered his, "This goes out to all my freaks in New York City" line during his promo afterward, the Garden (known for being a "smart" crowd) ate it up.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/18/04 at 9:43 pm




I could never understand why the WWF did this to Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine - maybe because he was the most similar looking to Elvis they could find in the locker-room, perhaps? Greg just looked so out-of-place it was ridiculous (especially when 'playing' Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6!


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/g/gregvalentine/18.jpg



here is a better picture of him.He must be in his 50's by now. :o



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/18/04 at 9:44 pm


Other "strange" crowd reactions:

-- Fans booing a happy-go-lucky babyface Rock ("Rocky Sucks")
-- Fans cheering a cocky, arrogant Rock
-- Fans cheering a ruthless Stone Cold Steve Austin (Around 1997)
-- Fans cheering the "cool heel" NWO


-Fans cheering a heel Bret Hart during his WWF days.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/18/04 at 11:09 pm




-Fans cheering a heel Bret Hart during his WWF days.



Howard


In other countries outside the U.S.A.....and being an American I cheered him and booed Steve Austin...but I'm one in a few.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/19/04 at 11:40 am

No question, "pops" have no bearing on the quality of the match from a technical perspective. By no means was Hogan's match with the Rock something I'd categorize as great...not even very good. It was, though, better than I expected.  However, being there live, I was taken aback by the reaction from the crowd. I've never been a Hogan fan, but I couldn't help but be impressed with someone who elicited the kind of response Hogan got that night. A good portion of that crowd was emotionally spent afterward. A very good match? No. Somewhat entertaining? Yes (at least for me). Hogan and Rock worked well with what they had, which was loads of charisma.

I agree. Hogan is an incredible person because I always felt Hogan's charisma was natural. I never felt the same way about The Rock.

As for Steiner, I thought he got booed at the Royal Rumble because his work was horrid. I don't see how Steiner's being a face could've confused the Boston fans, because Steiner had been booked as a face since his WWE return, which was two months prior at the 2002 Survivor Series at Madison Square Garden. When Steiner cleared the ring of Matt Hardy and Chris Nowinski and delivered his, "This goes out to all my freaks in New York City" line during his promo afterward, the Garden (known for being a "smart" crowd) ate it up.

Oh I agree, Scott Steiner is an awful wrestler these days but I just felt there were other reasons. Maybe these crowds are more intelligent than we give them credit for - especially since Summerslam! I think we are going to see a revolt (if it hasn't already happened already).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/19/04 at 4:12 pm




No question, "pops" have no bearing on the quality of the match from a technical perspective. By no means was Hogan's match with the Rock something I'd categorize as great...not even very good. It was, though, better than I expected.  However, being there live, I was taken aback by the reaction from the crowd. I've never been a Hogan fan, but I couldn't help but be impressed with someone who elicited the kind of response Hogan got that night. A good portion of that crowd was emotionally spent afterward. A very good match? No. Somewhat entertaining? Yes (at least for me). Hogan and Rock worked well with what they had, which was loads of charisma.


You might want to watch it again, it was very good...


As for Honky Tonk... we was HILARIOUS!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/19/04 at 5:46 pm

The most electrifying match for me was the Hulk/Warrior classic of Wrestlemania 6. O.k it was choreographed but it didn't feel more so than any other match I have seen as of late. Some chanted Hogan and some chanted Warrior. I think it was the only time I have ever seen a crowd so divided. Plus the fact that the Warrior won cleanly made it feel even more important.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/19/04 at 9:24 pm




In other countries outside the U.S.A.....and being an American I cheered him and booed Steve Austin...but I'm one in a few.



And then we cheered Steve Austin and booed Bret Hart. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/19/04 at 9:26 pm


The most electrifying match for me was the Hulk/Warrior classic of Wrestlemania 6. O.k it was choreographed but it didn't feel more so than any other match I have seen as of late. Some chanted Hogan and some chanted Warrior. I think it was the only time I have ever seen a crowd so divided. Plus the fact that the Warrior won cleanly made it feel even more important.




I thought they were waiting for Hogan to beat the crap outta the Warrior.turns out that Hogan 8 years later was being booed. :o



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 08/19/04 at 9:46 pm




The most similar occurance I remember to that match was Not Bret Hart Vs Shawn Michaels...but Owen Hart Vs Shawn Michaels. Owen Nailed his pattened Enzenguri to the side of Michaels head and a little while later Michaels just colappsed in the ring.  I remember Owen actually being concerned that he had hurt Michaels, only after finding out that Michaels was going to be ok, he turned it into a gimmick to promote Diesle Vs Owen Hart at the next PPV.

It's very possible that it was Owen fighting Shawn instead of Bret in the match I'm thinking of. I came in in the middle of the match, so I don't remember seeing a Enzenguri but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen. That and Owen and Bret have very similar styles so I can certainly believe misremembering one for the other (especially since I was focused more on what happened to Shawn). Didn't know about the resulting gimmick though, interesting to know.

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/20/04 at 6:06 pm

Just watched a TSN (Canada equivalent to ESPN) and Flair inan interview just tore a  hole through Ultimate Warrior.

"He didn't have enough talent to compete in the ring..."

"Sting was a great athlete, Warrior had no athletic ability whatsoever.."

"The Ultimate Warrior was just a ficticious character wth alot of paintand a great body, trust me, no athletic ability  wahatsoever..."

WOW! Now that's drawing a line in the sand with urine  :P



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/20/04 at 6:09 pm

Here's the Link:

Go to the bottom of the page and it is by a Flair pic with the lin to the right that just says "Ric Flair"

Don't consue it with the interview from Off The Record.

http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/20/04 at 8:00 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/u/ultimatewarrior/06.jpg


I kinda liked him but then he became a boring character after a while.I wonder if his character with the face paint would last NOW in WWF Raw Or Smackdown.Let's see what Bob thinks? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/20/04 at 8:19 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/u/ultimatewarrior/06.jpg


I kinda liked him but then he became a boring character after a while.I wonder if his character with the face paint would last NOW in WWF Raw Or Smackdown.Let's see what Bob thinks? ;D



Howard

I was never a fan, but most of my friends were... so he had to have something.

But for Ric "Saggy Breasts" Flair to say he wasn't a athlete was sort of a shock, since I haven't read his book.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/20/04 at 8:34 pm

Ultimate Warrior couldn't win a title for bupkus after the late 90's ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/20/04 at 8:43 pm


Ultimate Warrior couldn't win a title for bupkus after the late 90's ;D



Howard


Agreed, but he sure looks like an athlete to me.

For me, I couldn't buy the warrior rap he used to play on the interviews.  It just came off to me as weird.

I think he beleives it though, I just read a Farenheit 911 article on his website www.ultimatewarrior.com and it was insane.  Although, you have to give him credit for keeping his character name and rights, that itself must have been his biggest battle.

Also, he sure does have a lot of fans in-spite of himself.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/21/04 at 8:35 am


Ultimate Warrior couldn't win a title for bupkus after the late 90's ;D


That was probably because he commanded huge fees from the main federations. No one could afford his fees. The Warrior came back to the WWF once (around 1996) for a few months and, I believe, only went to WCW once for a one-off rematch with Hulk Hogan at a Halloween Havoc.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/21/04 at 8:44 am

Agreed, but he sure looks like an athlete to me.

For me, I couldn't buy the warrior rap he used to play on the interviews.  It just came off to me as weird.


I loved it because it was so different. At one point, he faced the wrong way during interviews because the story goes that he didn't know what he was supposed to looking at. The amount of insipid interview I here now are so pathetic:

'You say that you are the best, you think you can beat me . I will beat you blah blah blah!'

IMO Wrestling needs another Ultimate Warrior!  :D

I think he beleives it though, I just read a Farenheit 911 article on his website www.ultimatewarrior.com and it was insane.  Although, you have to give him credit for keeping his character name and rights, that itself must have been his biggest battle.

Also, he sure does have a lot of fans in-spite of himself.


Oh yeah! He's 'eccentric' but I think that's what fame does to some wrestlers. They believe the kayfabe.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/21/04 at 10:07 am




I loved it because it was so different. At one point, he faced the wrong way during interviews because the story goes that he didn't know what he was supposed to looking at. The amount of insipid interview I here now are so pathetic:

'You say that you are the best, you think you can beat me . I will beat you blah blah blah!'

IMO Wrestling needs another Ultimate Warrior!  :D



Oh yeah! He's 'eccentric' but I think that's what fame does to some wrestlers. They believe the kayfabe.




http://www.geocities.com/slobhull/warrior5.jpg


Oh Please. :P We don't need another Ultimate Warrior going bezerk and talking to his hand like John Cena & Booker T. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/21/04 at 10:10 am




That was probably because he commanded huge fees from the main federations. No one could afford his fees. The Warrior came back to the WWF once (around 1996) for a few months and, I believe, only went to WCW once for a one-off rematch with Hulk Hogan at a Halloween Havoc.



How much was his fee?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/22/04 at 2:18 pm


http://www.geocities.com/slobhull/warrior5.jpg
Oh Please. :P We don't need another Ultimate Warrior going bezerk and talking to his hand like John Cena & Booker T. ;D


Cena and Booker T are boring on interviews. I don't know why Booker T does that stupid staring at his hands thing because it is stupid. At least with the Warrior, there was a context to it (basically that he was nuts). I like mad wrestlers, they are much more entertaining than amateur, self-conscious wrestlers (consider Chris Hamrick - he's been seen doing the Lex Luger/Narcissist gimmick all over again - yaaawwwwnnn!!!!).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/22/04 at 2:20 pm


How much was his fee?


Howard


I don't know. It was a lot though because I remember reading that the Independent scene couldn't afford him.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/22/04 at 4:20 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/d/danspivey/01.jpg

Here's another wacky WWF character.Waylon Mercy aka Danny Spivey.
His career didn't go anywhere in WWF except for a feud with Diesel in 1995


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/22/04 at 4:22 pm




I don't know. It was a lot though because I remember reading that the Independent scene couldn't afford him.


So,I guess that meant he was basically out of a job. ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/22/04 at 7:46 pm


So,I guess that meant he was basically out of a job. ???


I'm guessing so - though I'm not too sure what his business ventures are. He obviously wanted things done on his terms.

About Waylon Mercy. I know absolutely nothing about him in 1995. However, as Dan Spivey, he was quite a good wrestler. He was known as 'The Golden Boy' in 1986 in the WWF and then went to WCW to form 'The Skyscrapers' with the now legendary Sid Vicious.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/23/04 at 8:48 pm




I'm guessing so - though I'm not too sure what his business ventures are. He obviously wanted things done on his terms.

About Waylon Mercy. I know absolutely nothing about him in 1995. However, as Dan Spivey, he was quite a good wrestler. He was known as 'The Golden Boy' in 1986 in the WWF and then went to WCW to form 'The Skyscrapers' with the now legendary Sid Vicious.



Vince gave him Waylon Mercy a gimmick that is supposed to be heel/face and wears Hawaiian shirts all the time.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/23/04 at 8:51 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bryanclarke/07.jpg


Here's another gimmick you'd like to forget,Adam Bomb.The guy who'd always wear his goggles to the ring all the time. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/23/04 at 10:00 pm

Not exactly the most popular gimmick of all time...but hey...I liked the guy..he was a good wrestler and beat Triple H once.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/24/04 at 4:08 am


Not exactly the most popular gimmick of all time...but hey...I liked the guy..he was a good wrestler and beat Triple H once.


Ah yes. Duke 'The Dumpster' Droese. I think he beat him at a Royal Rumble 1996 by disqualification to get the No 30 position.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/24/04 at 5:31 pm


Not exactly the most popular gimmick of all time...but hey...I liked the guy..he was a good wrestler and beat Triple H once.



He also had a brief feud with Jerry The King Lawler in 1995 after dumping a can of garbage on his head. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/24/04 at 5:33 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/t/tripleh/59.jpg

I always wondered why Triple H changed his British accent to an English one?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/24/04 at 6:51 pm

It wasn't a British Accent...it was a high class snobbish Accent...Davey Boy Smith and Dynamite Kid would tell you.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/24/04 at 7:49 pm


It wasn't a British Accent...it was a high class snobbish Accent...Davey Boy Smith and Dynamite Kid would tell you.



Was he really from Greenwich,Connecticut?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: PhiKapDave on 08/25/04 at 11:42 am





Was he really from Greenwich,Connecticut?


Howard


HHH is originally from Nashua, New Hampshire. He and Stephanie may have a home in Connecticut now, though.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/25/04 at 4:37 pm




HHH is originally from Nashua, New Hampshire. He and Stephanie may have a home in Connecticut now, though.


I've never understood the appeal of HH.  Sure he knows where he is in the ring.  I just find him boring as the day is long, character wise and wrestling.

He may know what he's doing, but I don't see him as someone who can make others look better than they are.

He's just a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/25/04 at 6:33 pm


I've never understood the appeal of HH.  Sure he knows where he is in the ring.  I just find him boring as the day is long, character wise and wrestling.

He may know what he's doing, but I don't see him as someone who can make others look better than they are.

He's just a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


I have never understood his appeal either. Honestly, I think even Skinner showed more appeal in this brief time with the WWF than HHH in his whole 8 years (started with the WWF at the end of 1995?)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/25/04 at 7:21 pm




I have never understood his appeal either. Honestly, I think even Skinner showed more appeal in this brief time with the WWF than HHH in his whole 8 years (started with the WWF at the end of 1995?)



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/stevekeirn/10.jpg


Skinner was a wacky character.He jobbed to everybody including The Undertaker. ;D
He was also filthy as Bastion Booger. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/25/04 at 7:22 pm




HHH is originally from Nashua, New Hampshire. He and Stephanie may have a home in Connecticut now, though.



So,that means that Chris Jericho is now from Long Island,New York?  ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/26/04 at 5:05 pm


Skinner was a wacky character.He jobbed to everybody including The Undertaker. ;D
He was also filthy as Bastion Booger. :P


Yes he was a wacky guy (I liked his gatorbreaker). However, he was not Bastian Booger, Howard. Steve Kiern played Skinner and Mike Shaw played Bastian Booger.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/26/04 at 8:03 pm




Yes he was a wacky guy (I liked his gatorbreaker). However, he was not Bastian Booger, Howard. Steve Kiern played Skinner and Mike Shaw played Bastian Booger.



No,you don't understand Bob,Steve Keirn acted like Bastion Booger in a way.One time Skinner flung his boogers and cursed out the crowd,I think it was an MSG show.He faced Jim Powers at the time. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/26/04 at 8:08 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jimbrunzel/03.jpg


speaking of Jims,here is a misused wrestler after the late 80's.Jumpin Jim Brunzell


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/26/04 at 11:27 pm

and his partner B.Brian Blair who looked like he belonged more on a baseball field than a wrestling ring.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/27/04 at 10:14 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jimbrunzel/03.jpg


speaking of Jims,here is a misused wrestler after the late 80's.Jumpin Jim Brunzell


Howard


I always got confused to who was who, but Jumpin Jim Brunzell was definately my favorite of the two, and for that matter, the killer bees were my favorite tag team at the time. The concept of good guys cheating by using masks is something that was ahead of its time.

On a side note, I have joined this stupid message board under 3 names over hte past month and I have not gotten a single activation email... any one else have troubles?

I WANNA SHOW MY PIC of SKY LOW LOW and LITTLE BEAVER  :\'(

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/27/04 at 5:05 pm


No,you don't understand Bob,Steve Keirn acted like Bastion Booger in a way.One time Skinner flung his boogers and cursed out the crowd,I think it was an MSG show.He faced Jim Powers at the time. :P


I must have read your post wrong, Howard.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/27/04 at 7:31 pm




I must have read your post wrong, Howard.


That's quite alright Man,we all make mistakes. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/27/04 at 7:38 pm

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/colonjr.jpg

Carlos Calon Jr.will know be known under the gimmick as Carlito Carribbean Cool.A takeoff of Razor Ramon's gimmick 10 years ago in WWF.If you saw Smackdown Thursday night,you saw him in a Hawaiian shirt,afro with gold chains and sounding just as similar to Scott Hall when he first made his debut.Oh Great,just what we need,another Razor Ramon! What next? another Diesel?  :P >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/27/04 at 8:27 pm


http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/colonjr.jpg

Carlos Calon Jr.will know be known under the gimmick as Carlito Carribbean Cool.A takeoff of Razor Ramon's gimmick 10 years ago in WWF.If you saw Smackdown Thursday night,you saw him in a Hawaiian shirt,afro with gold chains and sounding just as similar to Scott Hall when he first made his debut.Oh Great,just what we need,another Razor Ramon! What next? another Diesel?  :P >:(


He must be the son of Carlos Colon. Apparently he was a well known wrestler but I only saw him wrestle once and that was at Royal Rumble 1993. He didn't do bad either (eliminated Damian Demento). Of course you mentioning fake, Razor Ramon and Diesel is only going to conjure up the WWF's travesty of giving us the imposters under the same trade names in 1997. The WWF owned the rights to those names and so when Scott Hall and Kevin Nash left for WCW, the WWF thought it was a great idea to put two other guys in the same roles! Of course, this was stupid and the fans obviously saw through it. The fake Diesel now plays Kane.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/27/04 at 8:32 pm




He must be the son of Carlos Colon. Apparently he was a well known wrestler but I only saw him wrestle once and that was at Royal Rumble 1993. He didn't do bad either (eliminated Damian Demento). Of course you mentioning fake, Razor Ramon and Diesel is only going to conjure up the WWF's travesty of giving us the imposters under the same trade names in 1997. The WWF owned the rights to those names and so when Scott Hall and Kevin Nash left for WCW, the WWF thought it was a great idea to put two other guys in the same roles! Of course, this was stupid and the fans obviously saw through it. The fake Diesel now plays Kane.


Yes,he is the son of Carlos Colon who now runs the WWC World Wrestling Council.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/c/carloscolon/06.jpg

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/28/04 at 11:06 am

Here's the Little Beaver

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/28/04 at 11:22 am


Here's the Little Beaver


Is Little Beaver alive by any chance Harmonica?

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 08/28/04 at 12:03 pm

He passed away a while ago.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/29/04 at 11:03 am

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/induction%20files/phantasio/phantasio0.jpg


Here is another stupid WWF gimmick entitled "Phantasio".He didn't last too long around 1991-1992.He faded away and was never heard from again.He was actually a magician. ::) :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/29/04 at 1:21 pm

I don't mean to be a nit-picker, Howard but the WWF logo indicates that the gimmick occurred in the mid-90s. Sounds like a cool one as well. Anyone remember that mime artist with the face paint similar to Phantasio? I've forgotten his name.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/29/04 at 8:28 pm




Is Little Beaver alive by any chance Harmonica?

Howard


I don't remember the exact year but I know that he was 60 years old.


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/30/04 at 7:43 pm


I don't mean to be a nit-picker, Howard but the WWF logo indicates that the gimmick occurred in the mid-90s. Sounds like a cool one as well. Anyone remember that mime artist with the face paint similar to Phantasio? I've forgotten his name.



http://www.geocities.com/uswamemphis/phantasio1.jpg


Here is another picture of Phantasio(aka The Spellbinder from USWA).I think he had started in 1995-1996.The WWF back then was full of crappy gimmicks.Now we have Carlito Carribbean Cool coming. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/30/04 at 7:48 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rikishi/02.jpg


speaking of crappy gimmicks,do you remember when Rakishi known back then as Fatu in 1995 told kids to stay off drugs?
Now,why in the hell did Vince Russo want to give him such a dumb gimmick that was so retarded?  :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/30/04 at 8:12 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rikishi/02.jpg
speaking of crappy gimmicks,do you remember when Rakishi known back then as Fatu in 1995 told kids to stay off drugs?
Now,why in the hell did Vince Russo want to give him such a dumb gimmick that was so retarded?  :P


LOL. Yes, this was between his transition from Headshrinker Fatu to Rikishi. I agree with you, maybe this was the WWF's attempt at propaganda to help their steroid scandal case.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/30/04 at 8:21 pm

One of my all time favorite wrestler's Barry Darsow...how in the world did he go from Smash to Repo Man to Blacktop Bulley to this?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/30/04 at 8:24 pm


One of my all time favorite wrestler's Barry Darsow...how in the world did he go from Smash to Repo Man to Blacktop Bulley to this?


He took a dive after Demolition, didn't he? I mean, as Repo Man, he looked (and sounded) like Jimmy Hart! As for the Blacktop Bully, I only know he did a match with Dustin Rhodes on the back of a lorry in a WCW P-P-V. The story goes that they both bladed and, because WCW had a strong anti-blading policy at the time, they got sacked. Of course, if this didn't happen, we may not have had Goldust.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/30/04 at 8:50 pm


One of my all time favorite wrestler's Barry Darsow...how in the world did he go from Smash to Repo Man to Blacktop Bulley to this?



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/barrydarsow/05.jpg


Or how about Repo Man? that was an awful gimmick. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/30/04 at 8:52 pm




LOL. Yes, this was between his transition from Headshrinker Fatu to Rikishi. I agree with you, maybe this was the WWF's attempt at propaganda to help their steroid scandal case.



but having Fatu dress up like a phony guy who came from the hood was Vince's fault. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/31/04 at 5:17 am


but having Fatu dress up like a phony guy who came from the hood was Vince's fault. >:(


Well, Vince doesn't always make the right choices (anyone heard of T.L Hopper the plumber?)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/31/04 at 4:07 pm




He took a dive after Demolition, didn't he? I mean, as Repo Man, he looked (and sounded) like Jimmy Hart! As for the Blacktop Bully, I only know he did a match with Dustin Rhodes on the back of a lorry in a WCW P-P-V. The story goes that they both bladed and, because WCW had a strong anti-blading policy at the time, they got sacked. Of course, if this didn't happen, we may not have had Goldust.  ::)



speaking of Goldust,I still miss him. Dustin Runnels was extremely funny back in the days. ;D

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/d/dustinrhodes/15.jpg



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/31/04 at 4:09 pm




Well, Vince doesn't always make the right choices (anyone heard of T.L Hopper the plumber?)


and still I wonder why Vince needed cartoonish gimmick to help sales 11 years ago?  ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 08/31/04 at 5:59 pm

I'd take All four of these silly gimmicks over some of the stuff I see today..even though some of them were down right ridiculous.



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 08/31/04 at 6:21 pm



I'd like to see The Mountie on RAW face Randy Orton for the WWF Title. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 08/31/04 at 7:04 pm


and still I wonder why Vince needed cartoonish gimmick to help sales 11 years ago?  ::)


What about all these 'occupational' gimmicks. . . ?

Bigbossman - policeman
Undertaker - Undertaker
Mountie - Mountie
I.R.S (Irwin R Schyster) - Tax man
Repo Man - Repo Man/Bailiff is our equivalent I guess
H.O.G (Henry Orpheus Godwinn) - Pig Farmer
Duke 'The Dumpster' Droese - Dustbin man
T.L Hopper - Plumber



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: CanuckLegendSkyLowLow on 09/01/04 at 3:33 pm




What about all these 'occupational' gimmicks. . . ?

Bigbossman - policeman
Undertaker - Undertaker
Mountie - Mountie
I.R.S (Irwin R Schyster) - Tax man
Repo Man - Repo Man/Bailiff is our equivalent I guess
H.O.G (Henry Orpheus Godwinn) - Pig Farmer
Duke 'The Dumpster' Droese - Dustbin man
T.L Hopper - Plumber






Speaking of Pig Farmers, didn't Hill Billy Jim make a comeback around the mid ninties?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/01/04 at 7:40 pm


Speaking of Pig Farmers, didn't Hill Billy Jim make a comeback around the mid ninties?


If I remember correctly, Hillbilly Jim wrestled with the WWF until the end of 1988 (last P-P-V was Survivor Series 1988 when he squashed to Akeem I think). He became a commentator for a while (Hillbilly Jim as a commentator doesn't work for me) and then he managed the Godwinns in the late 90s. His last appearance with the WWE was the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/01/04 at 8:28 pm




If I remember correctly, Hillbilly Jim wrestled with the WWF until the end of 1988 (last P-P-V was Survivor Series 1988 when he squashed to Akeem I think). He became a commentator for a while (Hillbilly Jim as a commentator doesn't work for me) and then he managed the Godwinns in the late 90s. His last appearance with the WWE was the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17.


And this would be him today:

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/h/hillbillyjim/08.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: PhiKapDave on 09/01/04 at 8:33 pm




If I remember correctly, Hillbilly Jim wrestled with the WWF until the end of 1988 (last P-P-V was Survivor Series 1988 when he squashed to Akeem I think). He became a commentator for a while (Hillbilly Jim as a commentator doesn't work for me) and then he managed the Godwinns in the late 90s. His last appearance with the WWE was the gimmick battle royal at Wrestlemania 17.


From what I recall on the DVD, Hillbilly Jim got a decent reaction during his introduction in the Gimmick Battle Royal. I never cared for the hillbilly clan, but I did enjoy the likes of "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, Jesse "The Body" Ventura and Bobby "The Brain" Heenan making fun of them during commentary. Piper's interruption and Ventura's snide commentary during Uncle Elmer's "wedding" on Saturday Night's Main Event in 1985 was one of the funniest wrestling-related sequences I can remember.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/01/04 at 8:35 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/ppv/u03/10.jpg

VS.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/g/godwinns/03.jpg

If I had to choose a gimmick to come back for a few appearances,I'd choose Henry Godwinn to feud with HHH on RAW.   ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/02/04 at 6:12 am


From what I recall on the DVD, Hillbilly Jim got a decent reaction during his introduction in the Gimmick Battle Royal. I never cared for the hillbilly clan, but I did enjoy the likes of "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, Jesse "The Body" Ventura and Bobby "The Brain" Heenan making fun of them during commentary. Piper's interruption and Ventura's snide commentary during Uncle Elmer's "wedding" on Saturday Night's Main Event in 1985 was one of the funniest wrestling-related sequences I can remember.


I wish I had saw that one, PhiKapDave.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/02/04 at 7:50 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bushwhackers/02.jpg


The Bushwackers were also a cartoon gimmick.I loved the way they always licked some guy's head.
They were so corny. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/03/04 at 8:35 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bushwhackers/02.jpg


The Bushwackers were also a cartoon gimmick.I loved the way they always licked some guy's head.
They were so corny. ;D


Howard


I got a high five from Luke at a WWE show!

Anyway when Luke and Butch first started out they were ruthless heels, looking for blood. They were a dirty, mean, team. Then when they came to the WWE, the fan's looked at their crazyness as being funny and since the WWE wasn't really into the mega hardcore violence and blood at the time the Bushwackers became fan favorites.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 09/03/04 at 11:18 am




I got a high five from Luke at a WWE show!

Anyway when Luke and Butch first started out they were ruthless heels, looking for blood. They were a dirty, mean, team. Then when they came to the WWE, the fan's looked at their crazyness as being funny and since the WWE wasn't really into the mega hardcore violence and blood at the time the Bushwackers became fan favorites.


You had to admit, as a kid, they were pretty funny. :)

I'm finally a member BTW! Just go tmy activation email after a month :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/03/04 at 5:18 pm


I got a high five from Luke at a WWE show!

Anyway when Luke and Butch first started out they were ruthless heels, looking for blood. They were a dirty, mean, team. Then when they came to the WWE, the fan's looked at their crazyness as being funny and since the WWE wasn't really into the mega hardcore violence and blood at the time the Bushwackers became fan favorites.


Yep! They were The Shepherders previous to the WWF and, as their scarred foreheads show, they got involved in a lot of hardcore fights. They came to the WWF and, perhaps were the first to say mild swear-word in front of the cameras (It's bloody Jameson!). This must have been quite a step for the WWF to take considering the business was focused on kids at the time.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/07/04 at 7:34 pm

Let's go now to a group that was much tougher than The Bushwackers.NOD.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/n/nod/03.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/07/04 at 7:39 pm


Let's go now to a group that was much tougher than The Bushwackers.NOD.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/n/nod/03.jpg


Welcome back, Howard.  :D

The Nation of Domination wasn't a bad idea (Ron Simmons as Farooq giving a wonderfully understated heel performance) but The Rock taking over so soon kind of spoilt it. Farooq should have remained in charge for a bit longer to make the take-over all the more credible.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/07/04 at 7:42 pm




Welcome back, Howard.  :D

The Nation of Domination wasn't a bad idea (Ron Simmons as Farooq giving a wonderfully understated heel performance) but The Rock taking over so soon kind of spoilt it. Farooq should have remained in charge for a bit longer to make the take-over all the more credible.



Remember when Farooq and The Rock always argued?  ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/09/04 at 6:25 pm


Remember when Farooq and The Rock always argued?  ;D


Vaguely. The Nation of Domination wasn't given much time to develop. It got worse when Ahmed Johnson and Savio Vega decided to join.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/09/04 at 8:35 pm




Vaguely. The Nation of Domination wasn't given much time to develop. It got worse when Ahmed Johnson and Savio Vega decided to join.


It also got worse when Ahmed Johnson back then known as Big T claimed to be Booker T's brother. :P



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/a/ahmedjohnson/03.jpg

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/09/04 at 8:39 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/l/losboricuas/01.jpg


Remember Savio Vega and The Los Boricuas?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 09/10/04 at 3:16 am

Ohhhh yeah, Los Boricuas, yeah they were tryin to be latino gangstas, yeah they were pretty funny going against DOA and Nation Of Domination,

They had that 3 stables against one another,

Last I seen Savio Vega, was at some fed called IWA not the Ian Rotten one of mid south, but IWA (International Wrestling Alliance), its some puerto rico fed I think, as for the rest of the Los Boricuas I don't even know who they were,

Xonnie316

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/10/04 at 12:59 pm

Need to bring back Mean Street Posse. ;)

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/10/04 at 7:26 pm


Need to bring back Mean Street Posse. ;)

Kryllith


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/m/meanstreetposse/03.jpg


Have them all go to RAW and feud with Evolution. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/10/04 at 7:29 pm


Ohhhh yeah, Los Boricuas, yeah they were tryin to be latino gangstas, yeah they were pretty funny going against DOA and Nation Of Domination,

They had that 3 stables against one another,

Last I seen Savio Vega, was at some fed called IWA not the Ian Rotten one of mid south, but IWA (International Wrestling Alliance), its some puerto rico fed I think, as for the rest of the Los Boricuas I don't even know who they were,

Xonnie316



Remember Savio Vega as Kwang?  ;D
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/saviovega/11.jpg




Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/10/04 at 7:34 pm

Kwang a rip off of The Great Muta, if you ask me.

Although I will say that I liked Savio Vega, who pinned Steve Austin Twice!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/10/04 at 8:14 pm


Kwang a rip off of The Great Muta, if you ask me.

Although I will say that I liked Savio Vega, who pinned Steve Austin Twice!


Back in 1996 Steve Austin wrestled Savio Vega in an Indian Strap Match or was that Justin Hawk Bradshaw?  ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/11/04 at 12:24 am

Indian?  It was a Carribian! A Carribian Strap match, inwhich Savio Defeated both Steve Austin and Justin Hawk Bradshaw in.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/11/04 at 9:07 am


Indian?  It was a Carribian! A Carribian Strap match, inwhich Savio Defeated both Steve Austin and Justin Hawk Bradshaw in.



Oh,yeah you're right.Thanks for correcting me Harmonica. :)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/11/04 at 9:09 am

Now let's take a look at intense faceoffs:

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/0/hhhhhh.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/11/04 at 11:31 am


Indian?  It was a Carribian! A Carribian Strap match, inwhich Savio Defeated both Steve Austin and Justin Hawk Bradshaw in.


I have the strap match featuring Vega and Bradshaw - it was pretty good IMO.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/12/04 at 9:55 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/0/austinvince2.jpg

Anyone remember this intense faceoff? ^^  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/12/04 at 9:56 am




I have the strap match featuring Vega and Bradshaw - it was pretty good IMO.



Who actually won that match, BTW?

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/12/04 at 4:39 pm


Who actually won that match, BTW?


Savio Vega won the match - In your house: Mind Games - Sept. 96

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/12/04 at 7:27 pm

Ok sorry to change the subject but I ran across this picture...

He's a great late night host, a funny guy, and an in general all around great person.... but he shouldn't stick his Chin in the rasslin' business.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/13/04 at 6:26 pm


Ok sorry to change the subject but I ran across this picture...

He's a great late night host, a funny guy, and an in general all around great person.... but he shouldn't stick his Chin in the rasslin' business.


I never knew, until a few weeks back that Leno entered WCW just before it fell apart. Some people should realise their own limitations. Take Drew Carey for instance in the WWE at the start of 2001.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/13/04 at 9:04 pm


Ok sorry to change the subject but I ran across this picture...

He's a great late night host, a funny guy, and an in general all around great person.... but he shouldn't stick his Chin in the rasslin' business.



He was stupid to even fight Hulk Hogan in the first place. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/13/04 at 9:05 pm




I never knew, until a few weeks back that Leno entered WCW just before it fell apart. Some people should realise their own limitations. Take Drew Carey for instance in the WWE at the start of 2001.  ::)



He was in The Royal Rumble and eliminated himself. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/13/04 at 9:11 pm

http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingGalleryImages/wm14_rose.jpg


Or How about this picture of Pete Rose? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/14/04 at 7:29 am

Funny that both Carey and Rose had Kane as their advisary. At least Pete got into the Hall of Fame for it, heh.

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/14/04 at 10:22 am


Funny that both Carey and Rose had Kane as their advisary. At least Pete got into the Hall of Fame for it, heh.

Kryllith


Drew Carey runs his show "Whose Line Is It Anyway". ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/14/04 at 10:26 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/a/apa/02.jpg


I still miss Farooq and The APA. :(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/14/04 at 11:38 am




Drew Carey runs his show "Whose Line Is It Anyway". ;D


Howard

Heheh, yeah I know, I always watch it after Smackdown! is over and during commercials on Raw. Kind of miss Clive Anderson, who hosted "Who's Line is it Anyway?" back in the early 90s, but I never seem to catch the re-runs of it anymore. :(

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/15/04 at 9:43 am

Am I the only one here that misse's this event.

And I mean "EVENT" I mean the 4 on 4 or 5 on 5 matches. I miss the traditional Survivor Series. It was my favorite event. I liked seeing the comradery and friendship. WWE doesn't do it nowa day's cause they're all about being Bad Asses and their are no "friends". 


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/15/04 at 12:21 pm

I miss the original Survivor Series style of matches. It's kinda sad when they have to hype an individual match (or 2 matches in the case of last year's Survivor Series) as Survivors Series matches... shouldn't they all be?

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 09/15/04 at 1:06 pm

Yeah they should do a whole ppv of Survivor Series matches, and keep the tradition, not trying to do it a newer way, it used to have so much hype and enjoyment for that such ppv,

Now its just normal ppv just like all the rest, it needs some more respect like one of the top 5 ppvs,

What about King Of The Ring they should bring that for sure,

Also I wanted to say is that if you wrestling fans wanna check out my website and forum its @ www.wrestlingCHAOS.co.uk

Regarding the site check out the Fans With Wrestlers section,

And about the forum we got 2000+ Members and we talk about everything.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/15/04 at 2:51 pm

With King of the Ring, I sort of wish they would run the whole tourney during the PPV, similar to WrestleMania IV, rather than having the preliminary matches the weeks beforehand. They didn't even bother with it this year, which is probably a result of the split shows. If they held the entire tourney at the PPV, then they could have inter-brand matches and the winner could be afforded a title shot like Lesnar was last year. Heck, they wouldn't even necessary have to make it for the WWE/Heavyweight titles. Let the competitors earn a shot at the U.S./Intercontinental title to be held at SummerSlam.

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/15/04 at 8:50 pm


Am I the only one here that misse's this event.

And I mean "EVENT" I mean the 4 on 4 or 5 on 5 matches. I miss the traditional Survivor Series. It was my favorite event. I liked seeing the comradery and friendship. WWE doesn't do it nowa day's cause they're all about being Bad Asses and their are no "friends". 



Harmonica,I just don't think they'll be able to capture the traditional Survivor Series if they bring it back again.I remember Survivor Series 90 when Ultimate Warrior,Hogan,Tito Santana fought Hercules,Ted Dibiase,Rick Martel at the end of SS.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/15/04 at 8:54 pm


With King of the Ring, I sort of wish they would run the whole tourney during the PPV, similar to WrestleMania IV, rather than having the preliminary matches the weeks beforehand. They didn't even bother with it this year, which is probably a result of the split shows. If they held the entire tourney at the PPV, then they could have inter-brand matches and the winner could be afforded a title shot like Lesnar was last year. Heck, they wouldn't even necessary have to make it for the WWE/Heavyweight titles. Let the competitors earn a shot at the U.S./Intercontinental title to be held at SummerSlam.

Kryllith



They'll never bring back King Of The Ring either.I wish. :(

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/15/04 at 8:57 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jamieknoble/05.jpg


WWF gave Jamie Noble his walking papers today. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/16/04 at 7:23 am

That's something I wasn't expecting. Sucks to lose another cruiserweight; they tend to have some of the best matches...

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/16/04 at 10:00 am

No wonder WWF is losing.every time I check out the WWF there's always either somebody dead or someone gone from the company.It just doesn't make sense anymore. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/16/04 at 10:49 am

WWE or WWF whatever you want to call it hasn't made sense to me since 1997, Howard.


Anway I just thought of something and NO!! I could not find a picture, but do you guys remember when the WWE had a "Fake" Bill Clinton during episodes of Superstars and at Wrestlemania 10 or 11?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/16/04 at 10:58 am


WWE or WWF whatever you want to call it hasn't made sense to me since 1997, Howard.


Anway I just thought of something and NO!! I could not find a picture, but do you guys remember when the WWE had a "Fake" Bill Clinton during episodes of Superstars and at Wrestlemania 10 or 11?


http://www.bubbygram.com/performers/clintontw2.jpg


You're talking about this guy right here? Yeah,he used to have Sunny sit on his lap while she was feeding him popcorn in 1996.
He lives in Florida now.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 09/16/04 at 6:05 pm

Regarding Jamie Knoble,

Well at least he experienced time in the WWE,

He will show up in NWA TNA soon, and catch the best indies, and you will sure as hell see him in Japan also,

Xonnie316

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/17/04 at 9:14 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/v/viscera/04.jpg


It seems like Viscera is back but only for a short time.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/17/04 at 9:53 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/v/viscera/04.jpg


It seems like Viscera is back but only for a short time.



Howard


Bring back the Slickster and this time have a black man be the "African Dream". 

Although Akeem did his job pretty well.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/17/04 at 10:13 pm

Akeem vs.Big Show would be the only feud for him.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/19/04 at 8:42 pm

See this guy here? He worked for the WWF for years and when he came back they told him he needed more training. Hell.....he could out last and out to a lot of today's WWE superstars.

Beniot, Jericho, Taker, Kane, Triple H, other than those 5 he's better or just as good as the rest of them.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/20/04 at 8:15 pm


Am I the only one here that misse's this event.

And I mean "EVENT" I mean the 4 on 4 or 5 on 5 matches. I miss the traditional Survivor Series. It was my favorite event. I liked seeing the comradery and friendship. WWE doesn't do it nowa day's cause they're all about being Bad Asses and their are no "friends". 


The old Survivor Series not only had the standard 5 by 5 matches but a great 10 man tag team elimination contest as well (I remember the tag team competition being a highlight of Survivor Series 1988). The 1987 one wasn't too bad (featuring a great 10 team contest, great women's tag contest and a shock Hogan loss  :o). 1988 featured a brilliant 10 team contest (the WWE don't have that many tag teams to do something like that these days) but padding matches to a farcical main event. 1989 was reduced to four on four elimination contests (but is still one of my favourites). Survivor Series 1990 was too short and there was no point in having a grand finale at the end of it (three men winning over how many heels?). Survivor Series 1991 featured the first singles match (Hogan V Undertaker for the WWF title) and very weak elimination contests and Survivor Series 1992 had mainly singles matches and one pointless elimination contest. Was this the end of the Survivor Series format . . . ?

No, it was revived from 1993 - 1997 (1993 was my favourite of this time period - due to a classic Harts V Knights tag contest) and then the WWF aired the shambolic 'Deadly Games' tournament in 1998 (a truly awful P-P-V).

Last year, the WWE revived the format for at least two elimination matches on the card so they never really left us permanently. I still believe that 1987 - 1990 were the glory days of the Survivor Series. Let's see what the next Survivor Series has in store for us . . .

As for the King of the Ring well . . . Tournaments were always long-winded, predictable, boring affairs anyway.  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 09/21/04 at 7:05 am

Can you guys please update me on last nights events?  I only caught snippets of Randy Orton (I suggest Randy the Awsome Orton) debating McMann. Also saw Kane fall on his wife and send her to the hospital, then he went beserk.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/21/04 at 8:41 am

Hmm...

Doubt I'll cover everything, but I'll kicks some bits and pieces that come to mind to you.

McMahon promoed Taboo Tuesday, a Raw-based PPV where supposedly the fans will play general manager and set up all the matches (who fights whom, type of match, possible repercussions of losing, etc). McMahon did make one match (Eric Bishoff vs. Eugene) but indicated that the fans would still get to choose match specifics (he offered suggestions like "winner shaves the losers head).

Maven fought Silvan Granee (sp?) and pinned him with a small package. Unfortunately I missed much of this match (was cooking) which sucks since I'm a Maven fan.

Hurricane lost to Tajiri and seemed to lose it, getting angry with himself and taking back the hurricane mask he'd given to a kid earlier. Looks like he's doing a heel turn, which I guess can be expected since Rhyno and Tajiri are doing well as faces. Don't know if Rosey will turn heel or possibly feud with Hurricane.

Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels fought for the Intercontinental title while Christian sat with J.R. and King and complained about how it should be his title shot, not Michaels's. As Michaels was starting to get the advantage on Jericho, Christian tried to interfere which eventually got him ejected. It gave Jericho a little time to recover and the match went on. Jericho got Michaels in the Walls of Jericho but released it to perform a springboard dropkick on Tomko had come down to the ring. Jericho turned into Michael's Sweet Chin Music and was about to be pinned when Christian attacked him and caused a dq.

Story with Lita and Kane is that Lita lost her baby, which explains why Kane was so upset. Earlier that night they'd talked to the guy (can't remember his name) who'd hit Kane with a chair the week before and resulted in Lita being put in the hospital. The guy took the heel stance and said it wasn't his fault and that he had no remorse for Kane/Lita. Kane appears to be taking a face turn (or at least a partial one) in his declaration of revenge against the guy and he's showing of concern for Lita.

Christy (or is it Kristy?) won the diva competition, and was promised an "initiation" sponsored by Trish Stratus next Monday.

Orton, Benoit, and Benjamin faced the three remaining members of Evolution. Orton had declared earlier to McMahon that he'd win the match with an RKO (the discussion between the two of them centered about Orton's needs to make an impression on the fans if he wanted a title shot at Taboo Tuesday, since they would decide who faces whom). About halfway through the match, Orton took a nasty blow and was hauled away from the match, apparently out of it. Benjamin and Benoit were doing pretty good holding their own, but I think Evolution was about to take over when Orton came down to get a quick tag and managed to hit the RKO on Flair for the pin.

Well that's what I remember anyway. Anyone got anything to add?

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: bj26 on 09/21/04 at 11:30 am

Thanks, Kryl, good summary sad about Lita and Kane.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/21/04 at 11:30 pm

Sad? sad?

The entire state of WWE using a sick, demented, twisted, unmoraled, storyline line like that is sad.....real sad.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 09/22/04 at 1:27 am

Seeing Gangrel and Viscera back is cool for two weeks,

The run in beatdown and the handicap match coming this Thursday's Smackdown,

But this is a poor point to raise ratings for Smackdown, I found it a bit lame by WWE,

They could of brought Gangrel & Viscera in a better way to raise the ratings

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/22/04 at 11:32 am

I'm in College now, so I don't get to catch WWE unless I go home.  From the Sound of it sometimes I miss a great match like Shawn Michaels Vs Edge , and sometimes I dont' miss out on much like the Lita and Kane Storyline.

Anway I always liked Gangrel and I'm glad to hear he's back.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/22/04 at 5:40 pm

I never thought much of Gangrel to be honest, a very bog standard wrestler with a borish gimmick (the WWE must have been reading comics again . . .).

Taboo Tuesday, huh? I hope someone suggests a barbed wire match.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/22/04 at 8:08 pm

Hey look what I found

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 09/23/04 at 6:02 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bigbossman/16.jpg

I feel sad hearing this news,

Another wrestler that was respected in the 80s and also in Japan,

I always enjoyed watching his promos back in the late 80s and early 90s in the WWF, his fued with Nailz, and also his gimmick that he played so right, also in WCW, when he joined the nWo, and also when he came back to the WWE, and joined the Ministry,

Big Bossman,

Rest In Peace,

Xonnie316

==============================================

- Ray Traylor, known to wrestling fans as the Big Bossman during his days in the WWF, passed away suddenly at his home late Wednesday night. Traylor was 42 years old.

Traylor got his start at Jim Cornette's bodyguard as Big Bubba Rogers in 1986 after leaving his job as a prison guard in Marietta, Georgia. Shortly after leaving Crockett promotions over pay, he had a big run in the WWF as the Big Bossman working a program with Hulk Hogan. He later became a major star with All Japan Pro Wrestling as Big Bubba in the mid-1990's before returning to the WWF during the Attitude area, making a series of last appearances in 2001.

His death is a mystery at this point as he had not been complaining about feeling bad whatsoever. His wife found him in a room on Wednesday night and he wasn't breathing. Paramedics were unable to revive him.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/24/04 at 3:08 pm

I hate death.

You know the Big Boss Man at one time was incredibly huge and fat. He was a good wrestler, but one he lost weight, man he really stepped it up a notch. His day's as the "Good guy" in Blue and black Big Boss Man were my favorite. His matches with The Mountie, The Barbarian, and Nailz were classics. I alway's thought he had an extremely high pitched voice. YOu know I'll miss the Big Boss Man.

"If you ever take a walk down to cobb county Georgia, respect the law in order or you'll server hard time!"

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Jared on 09/24/04 at 4:33 pm

Gimmicks,storylines, and characters are improtant...otherwise you're left with UFC or NCAA wrestling *YAWN*

Honestly, altho I can appreciate a decent technical match, I like my wrestling to be entertainment, with characters, storylines, gimmikcs, and stuff like that

Honestly, Eugene isa hoot, I thought Mordecai was cool before he dispapeared, Carlito caribbean Cool looks fun, even tho he's a Razor Ramon ripoff.

However, I think the bikini matches, stripdowns, and the continued placement of non-wrestling women in matches needs to end. Wrestle, manage, ro get off the air, ladies  I HATE the sexually-driven "Diva" approach to the WWE women's division on both shows...while I like a pretty girl, I respect women as equals, and can't stand to see them degraded like that.   I should confess, however, that I was backing Christy throughout the entire Diva Search due to her fire & enthusiasm, and literally screamed with joy when she won.....despite what I've siad on the subject, I feel she can bring something to the RAW table if they let her be herself/play the same character/whatever.

To be honest, I much prefer the sports-entertianmnet-ish RAW to the more wrestling-oriented Smackdown..and Hell, while TNA prides itself on being closer to pure wrestling, they have some very entertaining pure characters that I enjoy (Scott D'Amore is one of my favorites....YAH! YAH! YAH!)

Well, that's my opinion.


EDIT: Sorry, was reading the first or swcond page wqhn I replied, didn't realize how many pages this ran for....if you wanna still respond to what I said, that's fine.

And, RIP Bossman, you will be missed

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/24/04 at 5:54 pm

R.I.P Bossman. He was excellent as the face around late 1990 - 1993 and had one of the best pieces of entrance music ever (almost rivalling The Honky Tonk Man's).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/24/04 at 8:27 pm


See this guy here? He worked for the WWF for years and when he came back they told him he needed more training. Hell.....he could out last and out to a lot of today's WWE superstars.

Beniot, Jericho, Taker, Kane, Triple H, other than those 5 he's better or just as good as the rest of them.



I hated his Hawaiian Punch gimmick 12 years ago and I wasn't too crazy about his convict gimmick and Kronic was a flop in WWF 2-3 years ago.He never had the greatest of gimmicks anyway. :P



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/24/04 at 8:30 pm


Sad? sad?

The entire state of WWE using a sick, demented, twisted, unmoraled, storyline line like that is sad.....real sad.


They should've made up something else instead of a miscarriage story. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/24/04 at 8:31 pm


I'm in College now, so I don't get to catch WWE unless I go home.  From the Sound of it sometimes I miss a great match like Shawn Michaels Vs Edge , and sometimes I dont' miss out on much like the Lita and Kane Storyline.

Anway I always liked Gangrel and I'm glad to hear he's back.


Gangrel was cool but I felt he hardly ever got any heat from the crowd.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/24/04 at 8:38 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bigbossman/16.jpg

I feel sad hearing this news,

Another wrestler that was respected in the 80s and also in Japan,

I always enjoyed watching his promos back in the late 80s and early 90s in the WWF, his fued with Nailz, and also his gimmick that he played so right, also in WCW, when he joined the nWo, and also when he came back to the WWE, and joined the Ministry,

Big Bossman,

Rest In Peace,

Xonnie316

==============================================

- Ray Traylor, known to wrestling fans as the Big Bossman during his days in the WWF, passed away suddenly at his home late Wednesday night. Traylor was 42 years old.

Traylor got his start at Jim Cornette's bodyguard as Big Bubba Rogers in 1986 after leaving his job as a prison guard in Marietta, Georgia. Shortly after leaving Crockett promotions over pay, he had a big run in the WWF as the Big Bossman working a program with Hulk Hogan. He later became a major star with All Japan Pro Wrestling as Big Bubba in the mid-1990's before returning to the WWF during the Attitude area, making a series of last appearances in 2001.

His death is a mystery at this point as he had not been complaining about feeling bad whatsoever. His wife found him in a room on Wednesday night and he wasn't breathing. Paramedics were unable to revive him.




I couldn't believe it when I heard the news of The Big Boss Man dead. :\'(
I loved his gimmick during the early 1990's.Why him? :-\\

Big Boss Man(Ray Traylor)
Perfect
Owen Hart
Hawk
Crash
British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith
Junkyard Dog
Adrian Adonis
Classy Freddie Blassie
Andre The Giant
Texas Tornado

The list goes on and on.... :(

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/24/04 at 8:46 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/n/nailz/05.jpg

Remember Big Boss Man's feud with Nailz The Convict? The guy who always spat and dribbled when he talked? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/25/04 at 1:37 am


Gimmicks,storylines, and characters are improtant...otherwise you're left with UFC or NCAA wrestling *YAWN*

Honestly, altho I can appreciate a decent technical match, I like my wrestling to be entertainment, with characters, storylines, gimmikcs, and stuff like that

Honestly, Eugene isa hoot, I thought Mordecai was cool before he dispapeared, Carlito caribbean Cool looks fun, even tho he's a Razor Ramon ripoff.

However, I think the bikini matches, stripdowns, and the continued placement of non-wrestling women in matches needs to end. Wrestle, manage, ro get off the air, ladies  I HATE the sexually-driven "Diva" approach to the WWE women's division on both shows...while I like a pretty girl, I respect women as equals, and can't stand to see them degraded like that.   I should confess, however, that I was backing Christy throughout the entire Diva Search due to her fire & enthusiasm, and literally screamed with joy when she won.....despite what I've siad on the subject, I feel she can bring something to the RAW table if they let her be herself/play the same character/whatever.

To be honest, I much prefer the sports-entertianmnet-ish RAW to the more wrestling-oriented Smackdown..and Hell, while TNA prides itself on being closer to pure wrestling, they have some very entertaining pure characters that I enjoy (Scott D'Amore is one of my favorites....YAH! YAH! YAH!)

Well, that's my opinion.


EDIT: Sorry, was reading the first or swcond page wqhn I replied, didn't realize how many pages this ran for....if you wanna still respond to what I said, that's fine.

And, RIP Bossman, you will be missed


Hey Dude have some respect...NCAA wrestling is not Pro wrestling...it's a real sport...the toughest sport in the world.  Don't knock something for something it isn't even supposed to be. 

I respect your opinion but don't compare apples to oranges.  I know a crap load about NCAA wrestling and Pro wrestling.  Comparing  Cael Sanderson to Hulk Hogan is like comparing Roger Rabbit to Dustin Hoffman.  Their is no comparisson to make.

I'll have to agree with you 100% on what you said about the women though, they dont' need to be sex symbols, they need to be wrestlers, managers, valets, and or something else.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/25/04 at 9:59 am

Nowadays,they're having way too many bikini & bra panties matches.Why can't Vince go back to the way women's wrestling that used to be before women hung around half naked in skimpy bikinis and bra & panties? Women's wrestling is just not as well respected as it used to be.guys these days just can't wait to see nipple & crotch shots when women bend over or get whipped into the ropes by other women wrestlers.That's why guys want these days.Do you agree with all this?  ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/25/04 at 10:02 am


I never thought much of Gangrel to be honest, a very bog standard wrestler with a borish gimmick (the WWE must have been reading comics again . . .).

Taboo Tuesday, huh? I hope someone suggests a barbed wire match.  ;D


Nobody is gonna even care about Taboo Tuesday or interactivity. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 09/25/04 at 12:55 pm


Nowadays,they're having way too many bikini & bra panties matches.Why can't Vince go back to the way women's wrestling that used to be before women hung around half naked in skimpy bikinis and bra & panties? Women's wrestling is just not as well respected as it used to be.guys these days just can't wait to see nipple & crotch shots when women bend over or get whipped into the ropes by other women wrestlers.That's why guys want these days.Do you agree with all this?  ???


Howard


I think Vince was convinced that there are enough trailer park trash to keep his system afloat. I just turn the channel, not because I don't like wrestling, but because I dont like whatever Vince McMahon is trying to sell.

I think we all have to do that if we are having trouble with the product.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/25/04 at 4:55 pm


I hated his Hawaiian Punch gimmick 12 years ago and I wasn't too crazy about his convict gimmick and Kronic was a flop in WWF 2-3 years ago.He never had the greatest of gimmicks anyway. :P


The problem with Bryan 'Crush' Adams situation was that he was put in mainly to replace Ax of Demolition just after Wrestlemania 6 and Bill Eadie injured his back (as you can see from Summerslam to Survivor Series 1990, Ax did precious little as Demolition temporarily became a threesome). When you introduce a new person like that into a well established tag team, you are going to reject him straight away - I know I didn't like the idea at the time. I found it ironical that Smash and Crush wrestled against each other at Summerslam 1992 (Crush V Repoman).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/25/04 at 5:05 pm


Hey Dude have some respect...NCAA wrestling is not Pro wrestling...it's a real sport...the toughest sport in the world.  Don't knock something for something it isn't even supposed to be.   

I respect your opinion but don't compare apples to oranges.  I know a crap load about NCAA wrestling and Pro wrestling.  Comparing  Cael Sanderson to Hulk Hogan is like comparing Roger Rabbit to Dustin Hoffman.  Their is no comparisson to make.


I appreciate your point, Harmonica but I'm not sure whether pro wrestling being real or not is the point he was trying to make. I have seen UFC (which is real) and it bores me and doesn't interest me like sports entertainment does. I like the fact that Pro Wrestling (WWE, WCW etc) is not a real sport.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Jared on 09/25/04 at 6:10 pm

Bobby's right...i'm not calling pro wrestling a real sport or particularly bashing amateur ("real") wrestlers, they are great athletes; I respect them for it, and I don't deny that..and Kurt Angle could kick Hogan's butt in a real fight, even a young Hogan.........all I was trying to say is that, personally, I find UFC and NCAA boring, and I like what pro wrestling is.  And what it is, is equal parts soap opera, action movie, and comic book series.

The storylines and characters which are a big part of pro wrestling need to remain to make it enjoyable, at least as far as I'm concerned.  You want pure athleticism, as the thread-starter said?  Then by all means, go watch the UFC or the NCAA, cause pro wreslting is obviously not your cup of tea...and trust me, Ring of Honor just doesn't get it.....and the only thing Japan has right, by American standards, is how they treat their women's divisions.

It's been a long time since pro wrestling was about pure competiton, roughly thirty years.

"Real" sports in general just tend to bore me...I guess I just enjoy some good action-drama mixed with my athleticism.

Also, I don't deny that signing Kurt Angle was the smartest thing WWF/E ever did......he adapted amazingly to the sports-entertainment world.  The amateur community probably feels he betrayed them these days (not sure on that..anyone know the real story there?) but DAMN, he truly was the Golden Boy of the company in late '99 when he debuted.  Altho, when he was the chairbound General Manager, all I could think was "Professor Charles Xavier!"  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/25/04 at 9:33 pm

Your still not getting what I'm saying.


These two types of wrestling are different, and in the same sense the awards for them are way different too.

Both are based on effort and heart....but not at all in the same sense.

You win a belt in WWE it's because of your character, your acting ability, and your performance inside the ring, and more importantly outside the ring.

You win an All American Medal in wrestling it's because you worked your ass off, had talent, luck, and beat someone out for the postition.

Man this is hard to explain...but please don't compare the two.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/26/04 at 6:51 am


Your still not getting what I'm saying.

These two types of wrestling are different, and in the same sense the awards for them are way different too.

Both are based on effort and heart....but not at all in the same sense.

You win a belt in WWE it's because of your character, your acting ability, and your performance inside the ring, and more importantly outside the ring.

You win an All American Medal in wrestling it's because you worked your a** off, had talent, luck, and beat someone out for the postition.

Man this is hard to explain...but please don't compare the two.


Again, I understand what you are saying, Harmonica. But we are not comparing how people get their belts (for hard work/acting ability etc) or the two in general. We are merely expressing an opinion of interest and why it interests us.

Pro Wrestling may not be real, and wrestlers do get pushed depending on how they get over with the crowd, but we prefer it to the real thing because it is escapism. I understand what you are getting at. I watch football (soccer) and I wouldn't appreciate match-fixing but what you must remember is that Pro wrestling is not pretending to be anything apart from entertainment.

The problem here, Harmonica is that the audience are allowed beyond the wrestling ring these days and people are aware of how the wrestling industry works. This ruins the illusion of Pro Wrestling - but that is what it is . . . An illusion. You can't take American Pro Wrestling seriously anyway. The crowd don't neccessarily want to bothered by whether something is true or not (the true fans anyway), they just want to watch, throw sports logic out of the way, and enjoy it.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/26/04 at 7:05 am


Also, I don't deny that signing Kurt Angle was the smartest thing WWF/E ever did......he adapted amazingly to the sports-entertainment world.  The amateur community probably feels he betrayed them these days (not sure on that..anyone know the real story there?) but darn, he truly was the Golden Boy of the company in late '99 when he debuted.  Altho, when he was the chairbound General Manager, all I could think was "Professor Charles Xavier!"  :)


I never rated Angle in sports entertainment. Too overblown and his 'charisma' is formulaic (catchphrases and pathetic audience connection). IMO, he follows the Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and even Chris Jericho route. These guys are great wrestlers but they usually winge on about their wrestling backgrounds and I just can't 'click' with them like the older generation (British Bulldog, Greg Valentine, Ric Flair, Mr Perfect, Jake Roberts, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Honky Tonk Man . . .). Even 'Hillbilly' Jim! What the heck did that man do? Not much, but I eagerly anticipated seeing him walk down the aisle to the ring more than Kurt Angle. There is a huge difference between charisma and being 'larger than life'.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/26/04 at 1:36 pm

Here's the deal on why I dislike Kurt Angle with a great passion, and hate the fact that he's so popular.

The 1996 Gold medal run of Kurt Angle has got to be one of the greatest heart warming stories of all time. It makes you feel such pride and Americanism, if their is such a word. Few people worked as hard or as long as Kurt Angle did at winning his gold medal. Many people talked about how they worked their asses off and you sometimes wonder if they really did or just wanted people to think they did. Kurt Angle DID. After watching him win the gold medal it just made me feel all happy inside. I knew his story. Of how it was for his dead dad, of how it was for his coach, of how he had worked extraordinarly hard towards obtaining his goal. I felt such a respect for Kurt Angle. A lot of people just couldn't understand why he was crying so hard. Theirs not a greater feeling in the world than self pride, especially knowing your busted your hump to earn it.
  Kurt Angle caught the eye of Vince McMahon. McMahon offered Angle a large sum of money to be in the WWE. Angle said to McMahon, "Hell No, Pro wrestling is a stupid form of entertainment that only fat lazy retarded people enjoy". He based pro wrestling for a while longer then hung up the phone and was on his way to making some big bucks with is "Angle" wrestling camps at the University of Clarion. Things didn't go Angles way. Very few high school prospects went to Kurts's "Angle" camps and the money was not their.  Ironically after being insulted, McMahon offered Kurt Angle another opportunity. Seeing $$ and the chance of even more fame in the WWE Angle took the offer.
    One of the first things he did in the WWE is make a mocery out of winning the Gold medal. He made fun of the way he cried and celebrated after winning. If that doesn't show how heartless the man is then I don't know what does. You can say the acting side of entertainment or argue that money talks, cause it does. However to put money over what achievement meant to you, is sickening.
    I dont' know if people have a horrible memory or what?  Angle had one thing that he did on his own and that was "the three I's".  Other than that he stole everything. He stole the Gimmick of my all time favortie wrestler "The Patriot" and stole the way he acts and the moves of "Ken Shamrock".  He's not even comparable to the likes of Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Chris Beniot, Chris Jericho, Rick Martle, Tito Santana, or even Jimmy Sunka but the fans were eating him up calling him perhaps the greatest of all time.
  As time went on I started to get sicker and sicker everytime I saw Kurt Angle on the screen. Here's a guy that doesn't even like professional wrestling yet he's getting everything handed to him. The King of the Ring, The IC title, Euro Title, and the heavyweight title.  Many people say, "well he deserved it, he's awesome." Show's how ignorant some wrestling fans are.  It took me no more than 5 minutes to come up with 50 pro wrestlers who never got those fames, who never got those honors. Wrestlers that worked their way up the ladder, wrestlers WHO WANTED TO BE THEIR! who never got their time in the light of glory.  I have never felt more mad then when I watched Hulk Hogan tap out to Angles submission lock.
When it comes down to it Angle say's he's got a newfound Love for professional wrestling, that he loves it. My ass. That's the biggest load of bullsheesh I've ever heard in my life. Angle loves the $$, Angle Loves the Fame, Angle loves knowing that he is one of the best. That's what it comes down to. If Angle had to be in the independents, he WOULDN'T. You can argue with me all you like, but watch out if Angle  ever gets fired, he'll show his true colors, he'll say how he really feels abotu professional wrestling.

Kurt Angle is a true phony, a true liar, a true disgrace, and a true asshole. Oh it's true, it's true, it's true!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Jared on 09/26/04 at 2:30 pm

Harmonica, I'm not even gonna dignify that wiith a response, besides this.  >:(

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/26/04 at 4:05 pm

Harmonica, I recognise why you feel this way towards Angle. He accomplished a major achievement despite problems and then made a mockery of this for fame and fortune. You should realise by now that fame and fortune does things to people (even people you think have integrity). Kurt Angle has proved he is no different.

Jared, I appreciate Harmonica has just knocked down your favourite wrestler but that is his opinion.  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/26/04 at 5:57 pm


Harmonica, I'm not even gonna dignify that wiith a response, besides this.  >:(


I suppose I feel the same way you do when I think about wrestlers who deserved what Angle didn't deserve but got.

Think of Abdullah the Butcher? Think of Bill Dundee. Think of anyone that deserved a hell of a lot more than what they got, and then try and tell me that you don't see where I'm coming from.


Bobby - Yeah I know

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/26/04 at 6:52 pm


I suppose I feel the same way you do when I think about wrestlers who deserved what Angle didn't deserve but got.

Think of Abdullah the Butcher? Think of Bill Dundee. Think of anyone that deserved a hell of a lot more than what they got, and then try and tell me that you don't see where I'm coming from.


Abdullah the Butcher was one of those feud-based wrestlers and his motives are different, preferring to just simply sadistically beat people up (would you believe I saw him wrestle Terry Funk in XPW recently? The man still wrestles!). I don't know much about Bill Dundee but I have a couple of matches of him in USWA.

You rarely see a wrestler that is feud-based these days (e.g Jake Roberts, Junkyard Dog, 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan (to some extent), King King Bundy, Bigbossman (from 1988 - 1993, he did come back and win the hardcore title), Giant Gonzalas, Bad News Brown, Bezerker, Nailz - these men really had no chance of a decent title because their motives were not title orientated (and some of them a good job too - imagine the main event 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan V Nailz  :P).

Talking of Nailz, he is the only wrestler I know of that uses less moves than Hulk Hogan! The guy is completely useless as a wrestler but he did strike a certain prescence though - especially the way he stomped purposefully to the ring.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/26/04 at 7:29 pm

Abdullah is 60 something years old and he still rules!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/27/04 at 11:31 am


Gangrel was cool but I felt he hardly ever got any heat from the crowd.

He got a lot from his entrance though. I miss his old entrances with Edge and Christen rising up through the flames. That and the cool mood music that went with it. I'd have to say that my favorite bit with Gangrel was outside of the ring after he'd been away for quite some time. They were running a UK tour Gangrel, Edge, and Christen were busy chatting. Edge and Christen were at the high point of their tag career doing commercials and everything (think they were the current champs as well) and all the passersby were ignoring them and begging Gangrel for autographs. Gangrel basically said, "What can I say? They love me here."

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 09/27/04 at 1:08 pm



He got a lot from his entrance though. I miss his old entrances with Edge and Christen rising up through the flames. That and the cool mood music that went with it. I'd have to say that my favorite bit with Gangrel was outside of the ring after he'd been away for quite some time. They were running a UK tour Gangrel, Edge, and Christen were busy chatting. Edge and Christen were at the high point of their tag career doing commercials and everything (think they were the current champs as well) and all the passersby were ignoring them and begging Gangrel for autographs. Gangrel basically said, "What can I say? They love me here."

Kryllith


I can't say I really liked him with those teeth implants, it was a little to far for me.

He just seems like a reject from the Goth era, and times changed but he didn't.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/27/04 at 2:55 pm

I'd rather have Nastalgia or how ever the heck it's spelled any day of the week than to have the crap they put on WWE TV nowa days!  Long live the era of GOOD Guys Vs BAD guys!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 09/27/04 at 3:26 pm


I can't say I really liked him with those teeth implants, it was a little to far for me.

What got me about the implants is that they were in his incisors rather than his canines. Always made him look a little weird (outside of everything else in his costume, I mean). I like his shirts though, preferably without the "blood".

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/27/04 at 4:44 pm



He got a lot from his entrance though. I miss his old entrances with Edge and Christen rising up through the flames. That and the cool mood music that went with it. I'd have to say that my favorite bit with Gangrel was outside of the ring after he'd been away for quite some time. They were running a UK tour Gangrel, Edge, and Christen were busy chatting. Edge and Christen were at the high point of their tag career doing commercials and everything (think they were the current champs as well) and all the passersby were ignoring them and begging Gangrel for autographs. Gangrel basically said, "What can I say? They love me here."

Kryllith


My favourite part of a Gangrel match was when the bell sounded for the end of it.  ::)  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 09/27/04 at 4:47 pm


I'd rather have Nastalgia or how ever the heck it's spelled any day of the week than to have the crap they put on WWE TV nowa days!   Long live the era of GOOD Guys Vs BAD guys!


Yes I agree. Good and bad guys that stay that way for a long time and would have to take something drastic for them to change.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/27/04 at 9:19 pm

Dink the clown without make up.



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 09/28/04 at 7:37 pm


Dink the clown without make up.




YEEEAAAHHHHHHH!!!! Harmonica!

Go Tiger Jackson Go!

:)

He was such an awesome acrobat, you should have seen him a couple of decades ago, he was really speedy despite his short legs, it was great. Almost like he was defying the laws of physics.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 09/28/04 at 7:38 pm



What got me about the implants is that they were in his incisors rather than his canines. Always made him look a little weird (outside of everything else in his costume, I mean). I like his shirts though, preferably without the "blood".

Kryllith


Wow, Ima check that out next time.. I never noticed.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/29/04 at 7:48 pm


Dink the clown without make up.




http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/d/doink/09.jpg

Here's a picture of Dink and Doink with makeup. ;D


Howard



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 09/29/04 at 7:50 pm


I'd rather have Nastalgia or how ever the heck it's spelled any day of the week than to have the crap they put on WWE TV nowa days!   Long live the era of GOOD Guys Vs BAD guys!



Now,it seems all of the bad guys(heels)are being cheered as well.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 09/30/04 at 8:41 pm

shows you how stupid people are huh Howard? or Evil? Or whatever..but not right I know that.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/01/04 at 5:48 am


Dink the clown without make up.


He should keep the make-up on.  ;D

Yes, the WWE are continuing to satisfy the lowest common denominator and until this is realised and changed for the better, wrestling will continue on a downhill slide.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/01/04 at 9:02 am

I showed you Dink without make up. Now I show you Doink without makeup.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/01/04 at 9:25 am


I showed you Dink without make up. Now I show you Doink without makeup.


Hey look, it's Eugene! :P

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/01/04 at 2:53 pm




Hey look, it's Eugene! :P



Matt Osbourne does resemble Eugene doesn't he!  How about this guy...you think he looks like Eugene?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/01/04 at 7:52 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/n/nickdinsmore/16.jpg

I'd like to see him vs. Doink The Clown.Who do you think might win that match? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/01/04 at 7:53 pm


I showed you Dink without make up. Now I show you Doink without makeup.




He does resemble Eugene in a way,Harmonica.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/01/04 at 11:33 pm

well what about Jimmy Garvin?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/02/04 at 9:31 am


well what about Jimmy Garvin?



Not quite exactly! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/02/04 at 9:37 am

http://raw.wwe.com/superstars/snitsky/images/snitsky.jpg

anybody have any history on Gene Snitsky? I have never seen him before.Where did he first start out before coming to The WWF? ???



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/02/04 at 9:41 am




Matt Osbourne does resemble Eugene doesn't he!  How about this guy...you think he looks like Eugene?


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/m/mightyigor/07.jpg


Well,maybe a little bit of resemblance but not quite! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/02/04 at 11:21 pm

any guy with a beard?  Perhaps not?


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/03/04 at 9:46 am

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/n/nickbusick/10.jpg



Or perhaps a guy with a mustache. ;D




Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/03/04 at 9:49 am

Was it me or was The Berzerker a bad wrestler with just one move?  ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/03/04 at 12:40 pm

The Berzerker was a horrible wrestler...with big muscles....so he'd probably fit in today's WWE just fine.

In Today's WWE this guys would be Tag Champions.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/03/04 at 11:05 pm


The Berzerker was a horrible wrestler...with big muscles....so he'd probably fit in today's WWE just fine.

In Today's WWE this guys would be Tag Champions.


Man is that weak! ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/04/04 at 5:05 am


Was it me or was The Berzerker a bad wrestler with just one move?  ::)


I remember seeing Bezerker Vs British Bulldog at UK Rampage 1991. Dare I say it, it wasn't too bad. I must have seen some crap matches lately . . .  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/04/04 at 9:34 am

With that Said Bobby, I miss this man.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/04/04 at 5:42 pm


With that Said Bobby, I miss this man.


Indeed I miss him too, Harmonica. You know, this man was pushed (when it suited the WWF around 1991/1992, usually on tour in Britain funnily enough - Battle Royal at Royal Albert Hall and Summerslam 1992 in particular) but was never pushed convincingly (and he made an awful heel. Davy Boy Smith should have continued to be a face).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/04/04 at 6:21 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/c/curthennig/51.jpg


I also miss this guy Mr.Perfect Curt Henning 1958-2003 :\'(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/04/04 at 6:23 pm




Indeed I miss him too, Harmonica. You know, this man was pushed (when it suited the WWF around 1991/1992, usually on tour in Britain funnily enough - Battle Royal at Royal Albert Hall and Summerslam 1992 in particular) but was never pushed convincingly (and he made an awful heel. Davy Boy Smith should have continued to be a face).



When he was a heel in 1995-1996,he had some feuds with Bret Hart,Diesel and Fatu.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/04/04 at 6:23 pm




Indeed I miss him too, Harmonica. You know, this man was pushed (when it suited the WWF around 1991/1992, usually on tour in Britain funnily enough - Battle Royal at Royal Albert Hall and Summerslam 1992 in particular) but was never pushed convincingly (and he made an awful heel. Davy Boy Smith should have continued to be a face).


I'd say his push in 1992 was magnificent....intercontenintal Title match won over the Best their is, the best their was, and the best their ever will be Bret The Hitman Hart.

I loved the match, great, great match with a very clever ending. Hart went for a sunset flip and Davey just leaned Forward.

The main thing I loved at the end of the match was the sportsmanship, it was something else.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/04/04 at 6:25 pm


The Berzerker was a horrible wrestler...with big muscles....so he'd probably fit in today's WWE just fine.

In Today's WWE this guys would be Tag Champions.



They would've squashed The Dudleys,Suzuki and Dupree or La Resistance.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/04/04 at 6:26 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/c/curthennig/51.jpg


I also miss this guy Mr.Perfect Curt Henning 1958-2003 :\'(



Howard


Mr. Perfect had to be the only "Bad Guy" that had always been a bad guy, that I cheered for when I was a little tyke.

I did cheer for Demolition when they "turned" bad, but Perfect was ALWAYS a "bad guy", and he was one of my favorites anyhow.

Here's a nice tribute I found to him

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/04/04 at 6:33 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/d/demolition/15.jpg


I always cheered for Demoltion.They kicked some major a** back in the days. ;D
I just didn't like when Smash became The Repo Man and Crush became The Hawaiian Punch.
That totally ruined both their career. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/04/04 at 6:57 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/d/demolition/15.jpg


I always cheered for Demoltion.They kicked some major a** back in the days. ;D
I just didn't like when Smash became The Repo Man and Crush became The Hawaiian Punch.
That totally ruined both their careesr. :P


Howard


I didn't like Crush all that much joining demolition, I enjoyed him more as the Hawiian. I guess I was a big fan of Axe and Smash and wasn't thrilled about adding a new member. When Axe left their was really no hope for Demolition, people wanted Axe.

The Repo Man and Crush started and Axe kept the Demo gimmick

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/04/04 at 7:32 pm




I didn't like Crush all that much joining demolition, I enjoyed him more as the Hawiian. I guess I was a big fan of Axe and Smash and wasn't thrilled about adding a new member. When Axe left their was really no hope for Demolition, people wanted Axe.

The Repo Man and Crush started and Axe kept the Demo gimmick



boy,doesn't Bill Eadie retire The Demolition gimmick attire? :o ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/04/04 at 8:16 pm

Bill Eadie, and Randy Culley(Smash a very very very short while before Barry Darsow took over) sued the WWE and earned the rights to the Demolition gimmick.


Randy Culley was originally one of the Moondogs.

Here he is with Axe.


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/05/04 at 5:23 am


I'd say his push in 1992 was magnificent....intercontenintal Title match won over the Best their is, the best their was, and the best their ever will be Bret The Hitman Hart.

I loved the match, great, great match with a very clever ending. Hart went for a sunset flip and Davey just leaned Forward.

The main thing I loved at the end of the match was the sportsmanship, it was something else.


Oh it was good, Harmonica. The match was something else. I just wish British Bulldog was kept in the picture while he was in America (he kept getting second-hand feuds with The Warlord and almost mid-card grapplers). He did have a successful tag team with Owen Hart but he just lacked that edge.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/05/04 at 1:22 pm

Bulldog and Owen as Tag Champions.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/05/04 at 8:09 pm


Bulldog and Owen as Tag Champions.



I remember them as tag champions in 1996 but then they feuded over the European Title in 1997.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/05/04 at 8:17 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jimneidhart/04.jpg


Wow,look what I found. :o ;D^


This gimmick was when Bulldog,Owen and Bret went their own separate ways.poor Jim was left in the dust with this stupid mask he wore . ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/05/04 at 8:48 pm

Speaking of ridiculous gimmicks.....(although in all reality he is a very entertaining)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/06/04 at 8:26 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/brucepritchard/04.jpg


Brother Love.another stupid character. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/06/04 at 10:08 pm

He dated Stephanie McMahon, you know that Howard?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 10/07/04 at 7:03 am


He dated Stephanie McMahon, you know that Howard?


You joking right ?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/07/04 at 10:19 am

No joke....they dated

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/07/04 at 7:12 pm


He dated Stephanie McMahon, you know that Howard?


Bruce Pritchard dated Stephanie McMahon? Was this before the HHH era? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/07/04 at 7:17 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jimduggan/02.jpg


Did anyone take a look at wrestlecrap.com? The guy is reviewing The Best Of Hacksaw Jim Duggan video tape.I found his commentary to be pretty funny.I agree that Hacksaw Jim Duggan was over big time and he fought a whole lot of jobbers but never got to win any title whatsoever. ;D What a shame! ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/08/04 at 6:10 am

Jim Duggan was awesome..

Your kidding me on the pritchard thing right, he's like 30 years older than her  :o

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/08/04 at 11:32 am

I AM NOT KIDDING

BROTHER LOVE DATED STEPHANIE MCMAHON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/08/04 at 12:07 pm

eeeew thats just creepy...

Then again, i wouldnt mind a go.. not with the brother obviously..  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/08/04 at 5:06 pm


I AM NOT KIDDING

BROTHER LOVE DATED STEPHANIE MCMAHON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Ok,We believe you. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/08/04 at 5:09 pm


I AM NOT KIDDING

BROTHER LOVE DATED STEPHANIE MCMAHON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I just puked in my mouth  :o

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/08/04 at 5:14 pm

Did anyone see how stupid Smackdown has been lately? First,you have The Bald Show,Carlito Carribbean Cool who sounds just as cocky as Razor Ramon was,Orlando Jordan looks like Billy Blanks,The Tae Bo Guy and Virgil,Mark Jindrak"The Narcissist"and you have Heidenreich who reminds me of a retarded Bill Goldberg and The Genius with those stupid poems he used to resite 15 years ago. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/08/04 at 5:17 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/o/orlandojordan/07.jpg

come to think of it,Orlando Jordan actually reminds me of Virgil from back in the days. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 10/09/04 at 2:46 am

JBL - Ted Dibiase
Orlando Jordan - Virgil
Mark Jindrak - Lex Luger
Rene Dupree - Rick Martel
La Resistance - The Quebecers
Carlito Cool - Razor Ramon

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/09/04 at 3:06 am

Your forgetting this wierd Undertaker dude, must be the fake Undertaker i guess...

I mean have you seen him latley, it's like, dude just retire gracefully, everyone was happy to see you back, but your a legend, don't sour your name.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/09/04 at 9:42 am


JBL - Ted Dibiase
Orlando Jordan - Virgil
Mark Jindrak - Lex Luger
Rene Dupree - Rick Martel
La Resistance - The Quebecers
Carlito Cool - Razor Ramon



That is most definitely true.I wonder why Vince is trying to re-live the 90's again? >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/09/04 at 9:53 am

http://repository.wwe.com/galleries/smackdown/100704/images/03.jpg


Here is a picture of The Bald Show on Smackdown the other night.I still can't understand why in the hell would they want to shave Paul Wight? I mean,there has to be a reason for this. >:( Maybe,he's thinning or something. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 10/09/04 at 10:34 am

JBL - Ted Dibiase
Orlando Jordan - Virgil
Mark Jindrak - Lex Luger
Rene Dupree - Rick Martel
La Resistance - The Quebecers
Carlito Cool - Razor Ramon

New wrestler to the list !!!

The Big Show - King Kong Bundy

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/09/04 at 10:53 am


JBL - Ted Dibiase
Orlando Jordan - Virgil
Mark Jindrak - Lex Luger
Rene Dupree - Rick Martel
La Resistance - The Quebecers
Carlito Cool - Razor Ramon

New wrestler to the list !!!

The Big Show - King Kong Bundy



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/k/kingkongbundy/24.jpg

The similarity is uncanny. :o

Howard



Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/09/04 at 11:25 am

Howard - I don't know why Vince is doing it....but I'm glad that he's doing something to resemble the old "WWF" cause I long for those glory days of 1988(when I started watching) up until 1997(when the Attitude Era Began)  I know I sound like a broken record...but man DO I MISS THOSE DAYS!

Rene Dunpree?

Don't know but I got into Ludvig Borga

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/10/04 at 5:39 am

Yes, I saw Mark Jindrak on telly, posing as a narcissist and I nearly coughed in my cup of tea. That was really funny. It didn't work for Luger and it certainly isn't going to work for Mark Jindrak.

Dare I say it, I watched NWA-TNA last night and I saw most of a great cage match between Jeff Jarrett and AJ Styles. I have no idea who won but they both looked like they wanted to win the match (seems like such a rarity in wrestling these days).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/10/04 at 6:51 pm

Who was the best Doink?

The Original - Matthew Osbourne bettern known as Matt Borne

Steve Lombardi? Steve Keirn? or whoever else played him?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/10/04 at 7:08 pm


Who was the best Doink?

The Original - Matthew Osbourne bettern known as Matt Borne

Steve Lombardi? Steve Keirn? or whoever else played him?



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/g/gimmick/doink.jpg

Matt Bourne was the best so far. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/10/04 at 7:10 pm


Who was the best Doink?

The Original - Matthew Osbourne bettern known as Matt Borne

Steve Lombardi? Steve Keirn? or whoever else played him?


Probably the first one, Matt Osbourne - where it had it's most impact (or notoriety).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/10/04 at 7:13 pm

And don't forget Rico & Jackie=Goldust & Marlena


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rico/13.jpg

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/10/04 at 7:30 pm


And don't forget Rico & Jackie=Goldust & Marlena
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rico/13.jpg

Howard


I suppose that's another interesting, similarity.

It make you wonder whether the WWE have run out of tricks, doesn't it?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/10/04 at 7:50 pm




I suppose that's another interesting, similarity.

It make you wonder whether the WWE have run out of tricks, doesn't it?



The WWF are running out of new gimmicks. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 10/11/04 at 7:13 am

JBL - Ted Dibiase
Orlando Jordan - Virgil
Mark Jindrak - Lex Luger
Rene Dupree - Rick Martel
La Resistance - The Quebecers
Carlito Cool - Razor Ramon
Rico & Miss Jackie - Goldust & Marlena

Hope to see more !

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/11/04 at 7:30 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/scotthall/10.jpg

vs.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/wwcpro/3f84.jpg

Razor Ramon vs.Carlito Carribean Cool.Who'd win in this match? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/11/04 at 7:32 pm


JBL - Ted Dibiase
Orlando Jordan - Virgil
Mark Jindrak - Lex Luger
Rene Dupree - Rick Martel
La Resistance - The Quebecers
Carlito Cool - Razor Ramon
Rico & Miss Jackie - Goldust & Marlena

Hope to see more !



That's why WWF keeps reverting back to the 1990's. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/11/04 at 11:55 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/scotthall/10.jpg

vs.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/wwcpro/3f84.jpg

Razor Ramon vs.Carlito Carribean Cool.Who'd win in this match? ;D


Howard
]

Speaking of Carlito Carribean Cool his dad was one hell of a wrestler as well...super popular in Puerto Rico

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/12/04 at 10:11 am

Carlito Carribean Cool is just another wrestler that has gotten the push all too soon.  It leaves no room for anything but a letdown, e better be either amazing in the ring or spectacular outside of it for the next two months or he's gonna be gone real quick.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/12/04 at 12:09 pm

WWE's been doing that since 1997...what else is new?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/12/04 at 5:51 pm


WWE's been doing that since 1997...what else is new?


Very true. It took Bret Hart at least six years to get the WWF title belt and it took Shawn Michaels about eight (admittedly they were both in established tag teams at the time).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/12/04 at 6:09 pm


Carlito Carribean Cool is just another wrestler that has gotten the push all too soon.   It leaves no room for anything but a letdown, e better be either amazing in the ring or spectacular outside of it for the next two months or he's gonna be gone real quick.


Carlito Carribean Cool better be cool.All he needs now is a toothpick and there you have it.
I guess his apple he takes a bite out of is somewhat like Razor Ramon's toothpick from back in the days but this time it's fruit. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/12/04 at 6:12 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/a/adrianstreet/06.jpg

here's another gimmick that Rico ripped off. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/12/04 at 10:44 pm




Carlito Carribean Cool better be cool.All he needs now is a toothpick and there you have it.
I guess his apple he takes a bite out of is somewhat like Razor Ramon's toothpick from back in the days but this time it's fruit. ;D


Howard


Did he pay his dues anywhere noteable?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/13/04 at 6:32 pm




Did he pay his dues anywhere noteable?




Well,he beat John Cena for The US Title.

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/13/04 at 6:37 pm

http://www.thebalrogslair.com/images/rare/godfather2.jpg


I still kinda find this funny Kama and Papashango. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/13/04 at 11:01 pm


http://www.thebalrogslair.com/images/rare/godfather2.jpg


I still kinda find this funny Kama and Papashango. ;D


Howard


I'd take a kama, and especially a Papa Shango over a Godfather anyday of the week.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/13/04 at 11:04 pm




I'd take a kama, and especially a Papa Shango over a Godfather anyday of the week.


how about these two comparissons.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/14/04 at 5:00 pm




I'd take a kama, and especially a Papa Shango over a Godfather anyday of the week.



The Godfather was funny.His gimmick was so cheesy at the time that the people were basically more interested in the ho's and not him. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/14/04 at 5:01 pm




how about these two comparissons.



Do you remember "The Preacher"Dustin Runnels?  ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/14/04 at 5:50 pm


I'd take a kama, and especially a Papa Shango over a Godfather anyday of the week.


I loved the Papa Shango gimmick! I just wish they could have developed it beyond the Ultimate Warrior goo-fest in 1992.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/14/04 at 6:24 pm




I loved the Papa Shango gimmick! I just wish they could have developed it beyond the Ultimate Warrior goo-fest in 1992.


The one where Ultimate Warrior puked all over the doctor after getting voodoo on himself.That was so stupid. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Ricky on 10/17/04 at 1:55 pm

if there is going to be Nude woman on I think it should be on Raw not Smackdown..Smackdown should be The show for kids..to make the show better you need better stars they need to work on bringing in new Guys and not these guys like Jamie Noble that guy was no good!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/17/04 at 5:57 pm


if there is going to be Nude woman on I think it should be on Raw not Smackdown..Smackdown should be The show for kids..to make the show better you need better stars they need to work on bringing in new Guys and not these guys like Jamie Noble that guy was no good!


?????????WTF?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/17/04 at 5:58 pm


if there is going to be Nude woman on I think it should be on Raw not Smackdown..Smackdown should be The show for kids..to make the show better you need better stars they need to work on bringing in new Guys and not these guys like Jamie Noble that guy was no good!


The trouble with that Ricky is that kids are going to want to watch Raw as well as Smackdown (being a wrestling package).

To be fair, there is rarely nude women in the WWE. It is the tease, the promise of a woman stripping, that is pathetic (a fave with Debra where she would attempt to strip and some bloke would come in and cover her at the last second).

I agree, Jamie Noble wasn't that effective but there are rarely bad wrestlers, just bad gimmicks or corporate execution. Tommy Dreamer was inneffective in his stay with the WWE but was an incredible crowd-puller for ECW since it's beginning.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/17/04 at 8:30 pm

http://images.aahceleb.com/rp/MeroRena155063859.jpg

Sable was one hell of a strip tease from way back when.These days,she's gone to TNA with Mark Mero. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/17/04 at 8:32 pm




The trouble with that Ricky is that kids are going to want to watch Raw as well as Smackdown (being a wrestling package).

To be fair, there is rarely nude women in the WWE. It is the tease, the promise of a woman stripping, that is pathetic (a fave with Debra where she would attempt to strip and some bloke would come in and cover her at the last second).

I agree, Jamie Noble wasn't that effective but there are rarely bad wrestlers, just bad gimmicks or corporate execution. Tommy Dreamer was inneffective in his stay with the WWE but was an incredible crowd-puller for ECW since it's beginning.



or how about Kat where she exposed herself but someone had to cover up her Puppies at the 1999 Royal Rumble.  :o

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/17/04 at 11:31 pm


http://images.aahceleb.com/rp/MeroRena155063859.jpg

Sable was one hell of a strip tease from way back when.These days,she's gone to TNA with Mark Mero. ::)


Howard


If their be anyone that I despise in the Pro wrestling business as much if not more than Vince Russo, it has definitely without a doubt got to be Rena Sable Mero.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/18/04 at 8:12 pm




If their be anyone that I despise in the Pro wrestling business as much if not more than Vince Russo, it has definitely without a doubt got to be Rena Sable Mero.


Sable's the one that's always coming and going. :P

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/18/04 at 8:16 pm

http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/Carly_Colon.jpg

Here is a picture of Carlito Carribbean Fool without his afro. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/21/04 at 5:22 am


If their be anyone that I despise in the Pro wrestling business as much if not more than Vince Russo, it has definitely without a doubt got to be Rena Sable Mero.


Is it me or does she look really haggard lately? Making a smile might crack that plastic covered face of hers.  ;D

Which wrestler do you think has damaged pro wrestling the most? My choice is HHH. I have no idea why that man is still in the limelight after all these years. It is obvious the man has no personality whatsoever.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/21/04 at 11:31 am

We'll if you wanna find the person that has damaged the business THE MOST! like ever, you can't there are too many sassholes  ;) that have messed things up. A perfect example, and im sure people will hate me for this, is Hogan, he started to believe his own hype and took advantage of the fledgling wwf. Yeah Haitch has kinda been playing power games, and eventually will end up controlling a lot of the business, now that Shane has basically been frozen out of any sort of ownership situtation, but in recent times there have been people that have hurt it just as much. LOD damaged so many workers credibility with there 'no sell' attitude. Do you think people would be doing triple twisting Asai moonsaults from balconys if they could get a pop with something smaller. No of course not, but workers like the LOD, Taker (even tho he is awesome) and other big guys have forced the business to become more riskey because they refused to sell moves. In japan workers can still use a drop toe hold and get an amazing pop, because the fans appreciate the technicality involved, unfortunatley in the US this isn't the case (with purist fed's like ROH as the exeptions). But there has never really been any one worker that has hurt the business more than anyone else.

Unless of course it's Goldberg  ;)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/21/04 at 2:54 pm




Is it me or does she look really haggard lately? Making a smile might crack that plastic covered face of hers.  ;D

Which wrestler do you think has damaged pro wrestling the most? My choice is HHH. I have no idea why that man is still in the limelight after all these years. It is obvious the man has no personality whatsoever.


You already know my opinion on Sable, Vince Russo, and Kurt Angle....all others I'd add to that list were mure victems of brainwashing from Russo and Mcmahon.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/21/04 at 3:19 pm

Wait Wait, could you clarify your Angle Opinion for me there pal..

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/21/04 at 5:27 pm


We'll if you wanna find the person that has damaged the business THE MOST! like ever, you can't there are too many sassholes  ;) that have messed things up. A perfect example, and im sure people will hate me for this, is Hogan, he started to believe his own hype and took advantage of the fledgling wwf. Yeah Haitch has kinda been playing power games, and eventually will end up controlling a lot of the business, now that Shane has basically been frozen out of any sort of ownership situtation, but in recent times there have been people that have hurt it just as much. LOD damaged so many workers credibility with there 'no sell' attitude. Do you think people would be doing triple twisting Asai moonsaults from balconys if they could get a pop with something smaller. No of course not, but workers like the LOD, Taker (even tho he is awesome) and other big guys have forced the business to become more riskey because they refused to sell moves. In japan workers can still use a drop toe hold and get an amazing pop, because the fans appreciate the technicality involved, unfortunatley in the US this isn't the case (with purist fed's like ROH as the exeptions). But there has never really been any one worker that has hurt the business more than anyone else.

Unless of course it's Goldberg  ;)


Of course, Hogan has been the double-edged sword of wrestling. He almost single-handedly brought the world of pro wrestling to the masses but along with that comes the power of picking his own shots (he got paid a million dollars for his Wrestlemania 5 match with Randy Savage - I wonder how much Savage got?) and the no sell (was the first?) when he 'hulked up'. It could be argued that my fave wrestler Ultimate Warrior did the same thing (but even more blatant) and maybe they were the best at what they did - unfortunately, you've got people like HHH and Randy Orton (hardly advertising superhero status) doing the same thing!

LOD where very similar in style but it was more subtle and they just looked as though they were tough-guys. Goldberg epitomises how ordinary wrestlers no sell everything.

Incidentally, I read a Ric Flair interview and he got angry with the interviewer because he used a wrestling term (when asked if he preferred to be a 'face' or a 'heel'). He went off on one saying 'fans who use those terms I have no respect for because they are not wrestlers' and then said 'It would be like me (Flair) trying to write an article on Mercedez Benz. Do I like four doors? Yeah but do I know anything about it? No'.

http://www.silvervision.co.uk/viewindex.asp?article_id=interview_flair&

Well Flair is wrong. Beyond the terms we use ( blade, bump, foreign object, heel, face, angle, job, push . . . ) what is there to know beyond the action? We know how political it gets within federations (like any corporate business) and he makes people who know a bit more about the average show out to be 'unworthy of any respect'. What it simply is, is Flair is annoyed that the (true) fans know too much about what is going on. He is right, we are not wrestlers but we don't pronounce ourselves to be wrestlers. To use Flair's example, a person that knows what the brakes and accelerator on a car does, is not neccessarily a mechanic - but that doesn't stop him knowing what the brakes and accelerator do! Flair should grow up and stop showing his ignorance to the fans.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/21/04 at 7:01 pm


Here's the deal on why I dislike Kurt Angle with a great passion, and hate the fact that he's so popular.

The 1996 Gold medal run of Kurt Angle has got to be one of the greatest heart warming stories of all time. It makes you feel such pride and Americanism, if their is such a word. Few people worked as hard or as long as Kurt Angle did at winning his gold medal. Many people talked about how they worked their asses off and you sometimes wonder if they really did or just wanted people to think they did. Kurt Angle DID. After watching him win the gold medal it just made me feel all happy inside. I knew his story. Of how it was for his dead dad, of how it was for his coach, of how he had worked extraordinarly hard towards obtaining his goal. I felt such a respect for Kurt Angle. A lot of people just couldn't understand why he was crying so hard. Theirs not a greater feeling in the world than self pride, especially knowing your busted your hump to earn it.
  Kurt Angle caught the eye of Vince McMahon. McMahon offered Angle a large sum of money to be in the WWE. Angle said to McMahon, "Hell No, Pro wrestling is a stupid form of entertainment that only fat lazy retarded people enjoy". He based pro wrestling for a while longer then hung up the phone and was on his way to making some big bucks with is "Angle" wrestling camps at the University of Clarion. Things didn't go Angles way. Very few high school prospects went to Kurts's "Angle" camps and the money was not their.  Ironically after being insulted, McMahon offered Kurt Angle another opportunity. Seeing $$ and the chance of even more fame in the WWE Angle took the offer.
    One of the first things he did in the WWE is make a mocery out of winning the Gold medal. He made fun of the way he cried and celebrated after winning. If that doesn't show how heartless the man is then I don't know what does. You can say the acting side of entertainment or argue that money talks, cause it does. However to put money over what achievement meant to you, is sickening.
    I dont' know if people have a horrible memory or what?  Angle had one thing that he did on his own and that was "the three I's".  Other than that he stole everything. He stole the Gimmick of my all time favortie wrestler "The Patriot" and stole the way he acts and the moves of "Ken Shamrock".  He's not even comparable to the likes of Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Chris Beniot, Chris Jericho, Rick Martle, Tito Santana, or even Jimmy Sunka but the fans were eating him up calling him perhaps the greatest of all time.
   As time went on I started to get sicker and sicker everytime I saw Kurt Angle on the screen. Here's a guy that doesn't even like professional wrestling yet he's getting everything handed to him. The King of the Ring, The IC title, Euro Title, and the heavyweight title.  Many people say, "well he deserved it, he's awesome." Show's how ignorant some wrestling fans are.  It took me no more than 5 minutes to come up with 50 pro wrestlers who never got those fames, who never got those honors. Wrestlers that worked their way up the ladder, wrestlers WHO WANTED TO BE THEIR! who never got their time in the light of glory.  I have never felt more mad then when I watched Hulk Hogan tap out to Angles submission lock.
When it comes down to it Angle say's he's got a newfound Love for professional wrestling, that he loves it. My a**. That's the biggest load of balony I've ever heard in my life. Angle loves the $$, Angle Loves the Fame, Angle loves knowing that he is one of the best. That's what it comes down to. If Angle had to be in the independents, he WOULDN'T. You can argue with me all you like, but watch out if Angle  ever gets fired, he'll show his true colors, he'll say how he really feels abotu professional wrestling.

Kurt Angle is a true phony, a true liar, a true disgrace, and a true a**hole. Oh it's true, it's true, it's true!





Hey Alcoholica..read that...and if that don't answer your question....I'll be happy to tell you more.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/21/04 at 7:21 pm

http://www.silvervision.co.uk/images/articles/flair_pic1.jpg


I still wonder when in the hell is Flair gonna retire? I thought I had read somewhere that he would be retiring next year at Wrestlemania 21.that remains to be seen. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/21/04 at 7:25 pm




Is it me or does she look really haggard lately? Making a smile might crack that plastic covered face of hers.  ;D

Which wrestler do you think has damaged pro wrestling the most? My choice is HHH. I have no idea why that man is still in the limelight after all these years. It is obvious the man has no personality whatsoever.



that's called plastic surgery.I still wonder why Sable's last name isn't Sable Lesnar and why can't she drop the"Mero" last name? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/21/04 at 8:00 pm


http://www.silvervision.co.uk/images/articles/flair_pic1.jpg

I still wonder when in the hell is Flair gonna retire? I thought I had read somewhere that he would be retiring next year at Wrestlemania 21.that remains to be seen. ::)


He's one of those people (like Terry Funk) that won't fully retire from wrestling because he loves the sport. I'll give that to Flair. He should have retired at least six years ago. He hasn't done anything remarkable since. The money must be good that's all I can say.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/21/04 at 8:28 pm

Well,Flair and The Undertaker right now are basically the only ones that are up there in age that should be retiring.I don't know how much punishment he can take at his age. :o



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/22/04 at 11:05 am

Not all that much as it goes.

You may have noticed that Flair no longer works house shows, or not many anyway. He also takes far less bumps than just a couple of years ago, his back, knees and to a lesser extent his neck are all bothering him, and i can see Flair hanging up the tights within the enxt year or two. Of course he will still wrestle, but not every week.. maybe not even every month.

On the angle point, i agree with some of the things you said, but Kurt was raised in a puritanical amatuer wrestling environment, and eventually came around and saw the metaphorical light. He isn't a calous individual and has sacraficed an awful lot for our beloved sport. I'm sure most people thought it was a publicity stunt but at Wrestlemania XIX Kurt could well have died in the ring. After his match he went in to shock and then had neck surgery i think 2 days later.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/22/04 at 4:41 pm

Well...I got about 10 people just sitting around thinking in my head after 2 minutes..that have sacrificed much more...and given much more of themselves than Kurt Angle ever will...difference between them and Kurt?  Um...they don't get credit.  >:(

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/22/04 at 5:01 pm

Hey, i never said other people havent sacraficed as much, i'm just saying give the guy a break, he works his ass off and is in my opinion one of the greatest wrestlers around today.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/22/04 at 5:49 pm

Who would you think now or then was/is a madman:

Heidenreich
Mankind
Psycho Sid OR
Nailz

I'd go for Psycho Sid cause that guy always clenched his teeth while he was talking and remember when he crashed The Barber Shop 12 years ago? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/22/04 at 5:52 pm

I'd agree... basically same reasons lol.. and like Mankind eventually became the comic character we all love, and Heidenreich is just awful.. Nailz.. we'll he was never really the 'it' so i can't say

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/22/04 at 5:58 pm


I'd agree... basically same reasons lol.. and like Mankind eventually became the comic character we all love, and Heidenreich is just awful.. Nailz.. we'll he was never really the 'it' so i can't say


the Heidenreich skit last night on Smackdown was a ripoff of when Mankind had to be put inside a straight jacket to calm himself down from The Undertaker 8 years ago. ::)

See,even WWF can rip themselves off. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/22/04 at 5:59 pm

Have you noticed recently just how much they are ripping themselves off.. it's like 1995-6 all over again

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/22/04 at 6:00 pm

Nailz always spat on himself whenever he talked and they used some voice recorder to make that stupid sound he made. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/22/04 at 6:04 pm


Have you noticed recently just how much they are ripping themselves off.. it's like 1995-6 all over again


Yeah,Al I agree with you.Carlito reminds me of a smaller version of Razor Ramon,Rico reminds of Goldust,Torrie reminds me of Sable,Heidenreich reminds me of Mankind,JBL reminds me of Ted Dibiase,Shannon Moore reminded me of a LOD follower or Terry Taylor Red Rooster gimmick but with somewhat of little black dye in his hair. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/22/04 at 6:29 pm


Who would you think now or then was/is a madman:

Heidenreich
Mankind
Psycho Sid OR
Nailz

I'd go for Psycho Sid cause that guy always clenched his teeth while he was talking and remember when he crashed The Barber Shop 12 years ago?


Sid was the best when it came to portraying lunatics. He was also incredibly powerful (anyone seen his squash matches in WCW as Sid Vicious - scary!). I saw Sid Vicious go up against Jim Chronus in ECW on a P-P-V (Guilty as Charged 1999) and I never seen this before. He grabbed Chronus by the neck, and with little effort, and threw him over the top rope and into a table! The force was incredible - of course, he got such a pop from that!

Unfortunately, when he came back to the WWF around 1995, he lost that 'edge'. In fact, I found Sid more better when he was a face around 1991/1992 because you could see that one day, Sid was going to snap it was just a matter of when.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/22/04 at 6:41 pm

Bob,you think Heidenreich is a ripoff of Mankind when he was in the straight jacket? ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/23/04 at 4:14 am

Heidenreich is to Mankind what Dubyah is to Honest.

There are similarities, but here is the major difference, Mankind 'Foley' was an exceptional worker. See from what i have seen on Smackdown! *shudders* not much has been done to explain exactly why Heidenreich is so mad, could it be because the only other time he was on Tv he was quickly taken off, sent to OVW and then promptly released... could be.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/23/04 at 4:22 am


Bob,you think Heidenreich is a ripoff of Mankind when he was in the straight jacket? ::)


To be really honest, Howard. I haven't watched Pro Wrestling in a few months now so I can't compare. I will watch it to give you my opinion later on.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/23/04 at 5:16 pm


Heidenreich is to Mankind what Dubyah is to Honest.

There are similarities, but here is the major difference, Mankind 'Foley' was an exceptional worker. See from what i have seen on Smackdown! *shudders* not much has been done to explain exactly why Heidenreich is so mad, could it be because the only other time he was on Tv he was quickly taken off, sent to OVW and then promptly released... could be.


We'll never know why John Heidenreich is so angry.He sounds like Psycho Sid or does he? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/23/04 at 5:18 pm

http://www.moontribes.com/images/1997/april97andup/april97andup150.jpg


Here's a picture from when Ahmed Johnson(the heel) faced The Undertaker(WWF Champion) in 1997.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Rush on 10/24/04 at 7:54 am

The Undertaker has been winning his house matches against Heidenreich, I actually downloaded a match from Torino between the two.  during the match the Undertaker was thrown into the ropes and the top rope broke. It stunned him for a bit, but he recovered enough to still complete the match. After the match he was still holding his head and went to take a look at the broken rope.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/24/04 at 8:49 am

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/graphics/DXGRO.jpg


Yesterday,I was watching The Degeneration X video and I still can't believe that Shawn and Hunter had agreed to form this group about 7 years ago and suprisingly it had lasted about 3 years on and off with members leaving and going their seperate ways.How about the time when Shawn showed his a** on TV,giving Michael Cole a"wedgie",cursing,crotch-chopping,Shawn Michaels picking his nose on the Canadian Flag,playing strip poker,penis references and many more and still they all went past censors.Do you think Degeneration X was a good thing or a bad thing? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/24/04 at 8:52 am


The Undertaker has been winning his house matches against Heidenreich, I actually downloaded a match from Torino between the two.  during the match the Undertaker was thrown into the ropes and the top rope broke. It stunned him for a bit, but he recovered enough to still complete the match. After the match he was still holding his head and went to take a look at the broken rope.



I read that Undertaker will be feuding with Heidenreich when he comes back from vacation to heal some injuries.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/27/04 at 12:40 am


http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/graphics/DXGRO.jpg


Yesterday,I was watching The Degeneration X video and I still can't believe that Shawn and Hunter had agreed to form this group about 7 years ago and suprisingly it had lasted about 3 years on and off with members leaving and going their seperate ways.How about the time when Shawn showed his a** on TV,giving Michael Cole a"wedgie",cursing,crotch-chopping,Shawn Michaels picking his nose on the Canadian Flag,playing strip poker,penis references and many more and still they all went past censors.Do you think Degeneration X was a good thing or a bad thing? ;D


Howard


I know that fans of WWF were considered trailer trash at the time, but I never really felt like it until the Attiitude Era.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/27/04 at 3:56 am

I Gotta disagree... WCW had the nWo.. WWF had DX, it was neccisarry, sure they went overboard a few times, but think of the hilarity.. when they 'invaded' wcw.. there general antics in the ring, the segment were Shaun and Haitch couldnt cuss anymore.

superb TV

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 10/27/04 at 7:52 am


I Gotta disagree... WCW had the nWo.. WWF had DX, it was neccisarry, sure they went overboard a few times, but think of the hilarity.. when they 'invaded' wcw.. there general antics in the ring, the segment were Shaun and Haitch couldnt cuss anymore.

superb TV

Yeah, I gotta agree. WCW was taking away the viewers with the NWO so the WWF felt it had to fight fire with fire. Sure they might have used different guys, but if they're going to make it work then they need to use top name draws if they're going to pull the same amount of attention.

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/27/04 at 5:42 pm

DX Put Triple H on the map, DX helped Michaels get back to his best, DX put over the first legitimate female wrestler (i.e wrestling with men), DX boosted ratings like nothing until The Rock, Austin etc, DX Provided quality entertainment that was perfectly keyed to the typical wrestling demographics the 13-17 Male demographic and the 18-32 Male demographic. The dick Jokes and sophomoric humor were perfect for the 13-17 (hell i still find dick jokes funny) and the older more sophisticated viewer could appreciate the comedic elements laid out in everything DX did. DX was good for business and helped many people get over big time.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/27/04 at 5:45 pm


DX Put Triple H on the map, DX helped Michaels get back to his best, DX put over the first legitimate female wrestler (i.e wrestling with men), DX boosted ratings like nothing until The Rock, Austin etc, DX Provided quality entertainment that was perfectly keyed to the typical wrestling demographics the 13-17 Male demographic and the 18-32 Male demographic. The dip Jokes and sophomoric humor were perfect for the 13-17 (hell i still find dip jokes funny) and the older more sophisticated viewer could appreciate the comedic elements laid out in everything DX did. DX was good for business and helped many people get over big time.


Hey man, that's fine.

I just never got into the trailer television.  I guess I have stricter viewing standards.  d1ck and fart jokes are only funny in small doses, not when that's all you have to go with.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/27/04 at 5:47 pm

Yeah it has to be done in moderation, but it was never Trailer TV... they wrestled great matches, were involved in serious angles and generally one of there biggest things was to put themselves over as better and 'smarter' than the opposition. LOL you sound like my Mom "grrr what are ya watching that crap for, we don't live in a trailer"

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/27/04 at 5:53 pm


Yeah it has to be done in moderation, but it was never Trailer TV... they wrestled great matches, were involved in serious angles and generally one of there biggest things was to put themselves over as better and 'smarter' than the opposition. LOL you sound like my Mom "grrr what are ya watching that crap for, we don't live in a trailer"


I agree with the above.

And yeah, you tend to sound like that after you have had a kid.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/27/04 at 7:34 pm


Yeah it has to be done in moderation, but it was never Trailer TV... they wrestled great matches, were involved in serious angles and generally one of there biggest things was to put themselves over as better and 'smarter' than the opposition. LOL you sound like my Mom "grrr what are ya watching that crap for, we don't live in a trailer"


Alcoholica,remember when Shawn picked his nose on the Canadian Flag or when he made a hand gesture of a girl getting a blowjob or when he showed his naked butt on national television? I'm sure he regrets it now than he did 7 years ago. ;D But,I guess it was all part of the storylines. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/27/04 at 7:36 pm

To say that the crap that Shawn, Hunter, Billy, Jesse, and Chyna pulled to be funny is saying that as American's we have a low standard for comedy.....as Roddy Piper..not Stone Cold Steve Austin started saying, "And that's the bottom line"

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/27/04 at 7:37 pm


DX Put Triple H on the map, DX helped Michaels get back to his best, DX put over the first legitimate female wrestler (i.e wrestling with men), DX boosted ratings like nothing until The Rock, Austin etc, DX Provided quality entertainment that was perfectly keyed to the typical wrestling demographics the 13-17 Male demographic and the 18-32 Male demographic. The dip Jokes and sophomoric humor were perfect for the 13-17 (hell i still find dip jokes funny) and the older more sophisticated viewer could appreciate the comedic elements laid out in everything DX did. DX was good for business and helped many people get over big time.



it all started on October 13th,1997 when Shawn called himself a degenerate.I guess what he meant was that he felt like a big lowlife ;D.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/27/04 at 7:39 pm



anyone see the new Survivor Series 04' banner? That's cool. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 10/27/04 at 10:54 pm


Alcoholica,remember when Shawn picked his nose on the Canadian Flag or when he made a hand gesture of a girl getting a blowjob or when he showed his naked butt on national television? I'm sure he regrets it now than he did 7 years ago. ;D But,I guess it was all part of the storylines. ;D
Howard


Being a Canadian I found that to be pretty hilarious.  I was shaking my head at the time thinking to myself, "You piece of crap, that's pretty funny."

... LOST MY WAY... GO RED SOX, 2004 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/28/04 at 4:49 am

I thought the Canadian flag thing wasn't all that funny.. it's like.. wow you've wiped stuff on a flag.. great ???

Hell if someone wiped there ass on my flag, i wouldn't be that offended, face it, the only person that it's hurting is the poor like 6 year old in Thailand who made the flag.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/28/04 at 12:50 pm


I thought the Canadian flag thing wasn't all that funny.. it's like.. wow you've wiped stuff on a flag.. great ???

Hell if someone wiped there a** on my flag, i wouldn't be that offended, face it, the only person that it's hurting is the poor like 6 year old in Thailand who made the flag.


A few of us are a little more Patriotic......which might explain why my all time favortie wrestler is...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/28/04 at 12:55 pm

I am patriotic, i love my country (s) however if someone is dumb enough to think they are gonna offend me so greatly by doing something to a piece of fabric then thats there problem. It's like the whole flag burning thing, yeah i don't think people should burn the flag, it annoys me, but what annoys me is why they are doing it, not that they are doing. Them burning the flag is just pathetic, however the reason for them doing it is what makes me angry.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/28/04 at 5:19 pm


I am patriotic, i love my country (s) however if someone is dumb enough to think they are gonna offend me so greatly by doing something to a piece of fabric then thats there problem. It's like the whole flag burning thing, yeah i don't think people should burn the flag, it annoys me, but what annoys me is why they are doing it, not that they are doing. Them burning the flag is just pathetic, however the reason for them doing it is what makes me angry.


I can see where your coming from...but whipping your nose on the Canadian flag for a few cheap laughs..is that really a hell of a hot moral than whipping your nose on it cause you depise the country?

The poster that showed Bret, Jim, Owen, Davey, and Brian peenig on the American Flag was just wrong....as well as what Michaels did.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/28/04 at 5:24 pm

Yeah i see your point, well i saw it all along, but yeah it's bound to piss people off.. but here is the thing, as wrestling gets more and more to the entertainment side of things, more and more extreme and risque things have to be done for Heels to get heat, which of course leads to such incidents. So yeah i guess maybe i was wrong in a way, DX did make Wrestling far more risque and that has harmed it in some ways, however it has improved it in someways as well...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/28/04 at 7:52 pm

So far in the many years of watching wrestling so far,I've seen many thing that were done to so many flags:

burning
picking their nose/wiping their butts
ripping/snapping them up in 2
laying them on your opponents face


I mean,the above 4 are quite dispicable but if you're gonna get heel heat for it,you're gonna have to pay for the consequences as well. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/28/04 at 7:54 pm


Yeah i see your point, well i saw it all along, but yeah it's bound to tick people off.. but here is the thing, as wrestling gets more and more to the entertainment side of things, more and more extreme and risque things have to be done for Heels to get heat, which of course leads to such incidents. So yeah i guess maybe i was wrong in a way, DX did make Wrestling far more risque and that has harmed it in some ways, however it has improved it in someways as well...



that's why it's called "sports entertainment". ;D There's hardly any sports involved anymore. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/28/04 at 7:56 pm


I am patriotic, i love my country (s) however if someone is dumb enough to think they are gonna offend me so greatly by doing something to a piece of fabric then thats there problem. It's like the whole flag burning thing, yeah i don't think people should burn the flag, it annoys me, but what annoys me is why they are doing it, not that they are doing. Them burning the flag is just pathetic, however the reason for them doing it is what makes me angry.



I remember when Sgt.Slaughter burned the American Flag to prove to Hulk Hogan that he hates his country. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/29/04 at 1:22 am

oh yeah, I remember that Howard...the was one of the only times back during the "good ole days" that the WWE went overboard.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/29/04 at 5:29 am

Gotta agree there, simply for the fact that nothing like that had been done before really.. It was a real dumb move, im sure everyone has heard the story of how Slaughter could only work certian super high security events because the WWF seriously thought he would be assasinated.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/29/04 at 8:26 pm


I remember when Sgt.Slaughter burned the American Flag to prove to Hulk Hogan that he hates his country. >:(


That angle was so great! Slaughter was the most hated man ever in the WWF. The fact that the whole thing just about tied in with The Gulf War made it even more provocative. Rarely has the WWE reflected real life political situations.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/29/04 at 8:42 pm

http://www.sgtslaughter.com/img/sarge_flag.gif


Here's a pic of him when he was the flag waving patriot. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/29/04 at 8:43 pm




That angle was so great! Slaughter was the most hated man ever in the WWF. The fact that the whole thing just about tied in with The Gulf War made it even more provocative. Rarely has the WWE reflected real life political situations.


Remember The Triangle of Terror? Col.Mustafa,General Adnan and Sgt.Slaughter? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/29/04 at 9:23 pm


Remember The Triangle of Terror? Col.Mustafa,General Adnan and Sgt.Slaughter? ;D


Yes. The Iron Sheik managed to get a new spin on his gimmick lol. He wrestled a couple of times under that gimmick (most notably when Slaughter quickly turned face).

I still get angry when I see Summerslam 1991 and then the next thing I see is Sgt Slaughter the patriot winningThe Survivor Series with 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan of all people! Who else thought Survivor Series 1991 was one of the worst Survivor Series ever (apart from Survivor Series 1998: Deadly games which was an obvious tragedy for wrestling)?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/29/04 at 9:50 pm

I heard they're bringing back the old traditional Survivor Series this year.How do you feel about that? That's great. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/29/04 at 9:51 pm




Yes. The Iron Sheik managed to get a new spin on his gimmick lol. He wrestled a couple of times under that gimmick (most notably when Slaughter quickly turned face).

I still get angry when I see Summerslam 1991 and then the next thing I see is Sgt Slaughter the patriot winningThe Survivor Series with 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan of all people! Who else thought Survivor Series 1991 was one of the worst Survivor Series ever (apart from Survivor Series 1998: Deadly games which was an obvious tragedy for wrestling)?


Whoever thought Slaughter and Duggan were gonna be a tag team. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/30/04 at 1:27 am


I heard they're bringing back the old traditional Survivor Series this year.How do you feel about that? That's great. ;D


Howard



WWE doing something RIGHT!?!!??!?!  YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHOO HOO!!!!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: nightrocker on 10/30/04 at 2:58 am

Flair will Never Retire...he would not know what to do with hisself :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/30/04 at 5:58 am


WWE doing something RIGHT!?!!??!?!  YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHOO HOO!!!!


Heh heh. It is great news if The Survivor Series becomes old school in it's entirety. The elimination matches, as I have said previously have never fully left us.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/30/04 at 4:54 pm




Heh heh. It is great news if The Survivor Series becomes old school in it's entirety. The elimination matches, as I have said previously have never fully left us.


Well Bob,They're gonna have the following 8 man tag:

Big Show,Eddie Guerreo,Rob Van D-A-M-N & Ray Mysterio

vs.Kurt Angle,Luther Reigns,Mark Jindrak & Spike Dudley

RAW Survivor Series:

Chris Benoit,Randy Orton,Shelton Benjamin & Edge

vs. HHH,Ric Flair,Batista &(Maven?)

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/30/04 at 4:55 pm


Flair will Never Retire...he would not know what to do with hisself :D


eventually NR,Hes gonna have to retire one way or another. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/30/04 at 5:09 pm


Well Bob,They're gonna have the following 8 man tag:

Big Show,Eddie Guerreo,Rob Van D-A-M-N & Ray Mysterio

vs.Kurt Angle,Luther Reigns,Mark Jindrak & Spike Dudley

RAW Survivor Series:

Chris Benoit,Randy Orton,Shelton Benjamin & Edge

vs. HHH,Ric Flair,Batista &(Maven?)

Howard


Thanks for the info, Howard. I reckon Edge is going to turn heel after getting dissapointed at not getting a chance at the world title (Taboo Tuesday). I expect to see the heel turn at The Survivor Series then (my prediction  :)).

Last years was a good one to all intents and purposes.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/30/04 at 6:25 pm




Thanks for the info, Howard. I reckon Edge is going to turn heel after getting dissapointed at not getting a chance at the world title (Taboo Tuesday). I expect to see the heel turn at The Survivor Series then (my prediction  :)).

Last years was a good one to all intents and purposes.


This year's Survivor Series should be pretty exciting & intense to say the least. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 10/31/04 at 4:29 pm

We'll the best match of last year's series was soooo totally Bischoff's team vs austin's team, granted HBK made it awesome, but the idea of 4 v 4 is just brilliant.

I can't see Maven turning Heel yet... however i could see Edge turning heel before SS and going with Evolution and maybe Chris Jericho turning out for the Face team.

On the predictions front.. I can see Booker T winning the title from JBL.. holding probably until the Royal Rumble and then either Big Show, Rob Van Dam or Kurt will win the rumble.., if show or RVD win it, a heel turn will be inevitable for one of them. I'm just praying Mr Thursday Night RVD can win it and take the strap at Wrestlemania, if there is one man in the industry kept down nearly as much as Chris Jericho, it's Rob Van Dam... who did he piss off?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 10/31/04 at 6:05 pm


We'll the best match of last year's series was soooo totally Bischoff's team vs austin's team, granted HBK made it awesome, but the idea of 4 v 4 is just brilliant.


Yep the four on four elimination matches are great. I remember the first two Survivor Series when it was 5 on 5! Those 10 man tag matches were something else as well. Of course, you will be lucky to find 5 decent tag teams in the WWE now, never mind 10!

I can't see Maven turning Heel yet... however i could see Edge turning heel before SS and going with Evolution and maybe Chris Jericho turning out for the Face team.

Yes, I can see that happening too. IMO, Jericho was more effective as a face.

On the predictions front.. I can see Booker T winning the title from JBL.. holding probably until the Royal Rumble and then either Big Show, Rob Van Dam or Kurt will win the rumble.., if show or RVD win it, a heel turn will be inevitable for one of them. I'm just praying Mr Thursday Night RVD can win it and take the strap at Wrestlemania, if there is one man in the industry kept down nearly as much as Chris Jericho, it's Rob Van Dam... who did he tick off?

I can't agree with you more! Nobody would believe this is the same person that came from ECW! Out of anybody else, I would love RVD to win the Royal Rumble - I would love to see him wrestle Shawn Michaels one way or the other - I'm not sure whether it has happened previously (as long as Shawn doesn't over blade himself like he is accustomed to as of late).

Oh and then when Rob Van Dam wins the belt - bring back Tommy Dreamer!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/31/04 at 8:21 pm


We'll the best match of last year's series was soooo totally Bischoff's team vs austin's team, granted HBK made it awesome, but the idea of 4 v 4 is just brilliant.

I can't see Maven turning Heel yet... however i could see Edge turning heel before SS and going with Evolution and maybe Chris Jericho turning out for the Face team.

On the predictions front.. I can see Booker T winning the title from JBL.. holding probably until the Royal Rumble and then either Big Show, Rob Van Dam or Kurt will win the rumble.., if show or RVD win it, a heel turn will be inevitable for one of them. I'm just praying Mr Thursday Night RVD can win it and take the strap at Wrestlemania, if there is one man in the industry kept down nearly as much as Chris Jericho, it's Rob Van Dam... who did he tick off?



Like I said,It should be a pretty exciting show.Let's hope for high ratings! ;D

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/31/04 at 8:24 pm

I'm hoping for a 4 on 4 women Survivor Series team.

Jackie Gayda
Torrie
Dawn Marie
Jackie(the black woman)

and also you could mix in some RAW Divas as well and there you go! make it like bikini style! ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: nightrocker on 10/31/04 at 8:57 pm

Anyone see the Bigshow on Star Trek this past Friday it was pretty cool... ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 10/31/04 at 9:45 pm


Anyone see the Bigshow on Star Trek this past Friday it was pretty cool... ;D


I saw a preview of it and they turned him green.



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 10/31/04 at 11:33 pm

Speaking of the Big Show...he's not always been a law abiding citizen!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 11/01/04 at 4:52 pm




I saw a preview of it and they turned him green.


Saw the preview as well, but I missed the show (both of them). He looks like Shrek.

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/01/04 at 8:09 pm


Speaking of the Big Show...he's not always been a law abiding citizen!



I saw that.It's a weird picture of him. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/01/04 at 8:10 pm

How do you guys feel about Big Show being bald? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/05/04 at 7:17 am


How do you guys feel about Big Show being bald? ;D


I'm sure I will get used to it. The Jeff Jarrett haircut has stuck since his haircut match at Summerslam 1998 with X-pac. You know what they should do? Bring Hogan back, stick both of them in a steel cage and - hey presto! Wrestlemania 2 all over again!  :D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/05/04 at 2:28 pm

King Kong Bundy is still alive and in pretty good shape...why not use him?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/05/04 at 2:56 pm




I'm sure I will get used to it. The Jeff Jarrett haircut has stuck since his haircut match at Summerslam 1998 with X-pac. You know what they should do? Bring Hogan back, stick both of them in a steel cage and - hey presto! Wrestlemania 2 all over again!  :D



That would be pretty funny Bob. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/05/04 at 3:03 pm

Well,you have some more of the following wrestlers that got the boot earlier this week.So Far:

Nidia
Jazz
A-Train
Test
Billy Gunn
Rico
Chuck Palumbo
Johnny Stamboli

Isn't that sad? And I wonder why the WWF(E)is going down the drain!  ::) They cut almost half the roster from RAW & Smackdown. I wonder what the hell is going on here?  >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/05/04 at 4:38 pm


King Kong Bundy is still alive and in pretty good shape...why not use him?


Well, you can if you like. I was just being facetious.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/05/04 at 4:55 pm


Well,you have some more of the following wrestlers that got the boot earlier this week.So Far:

Nidia
Jazz
A-Train
Test
Billy Gunn
Rico
Chuck Palumbo
Johnny Stamboli

Isn't that sad? And I wonder why the WWF(E)is going down the drain!  ::) They cut almost half the roster from RAW & Smackdown. I wonder what the hell is going on here?  >:(


No I dissagree, Howard. This is what is called 'cutting away the dead wood'. The WWE does not need these wasters. Albert has been clogging up the rosta since 1998, Billy Gunn has been useless since he left 'New Age Outlaws' (and some would argue he was useless in that tag team anyway). Nidia, Rico and Johnny Stamboli have not made an impression (apart from the Rico/Gunn gay wedding fiasco) and Test, like Albert, has also been seen doing nothing since 1998 as well. Jazz was probably the only one, out of the lot of them, that showed some promise but she was the victim of uneventful plot angles.

The WWE will do fine without them, Howard.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/05/04 at 5:27 pm

Palumbo & Stamboli were unlucky, both are v.talented. Test and Albert never really lived up to there potential.  Jazz was good, but an angry black gimmick was failed to start. The rest that have been cut needed it.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Xonnie316 on 11/06/04 at 10:08 am

Test
A-Train
Billy Gunn
Johnny Stamboli
Rodney Mack
Jazz
Gail Kim
Chuck Palumbo
Nidia
Rico

I heard 2 more to go !

Well some didn't get that much of a push, and deserved it, so seeing them in TNA, would be cool in my opinion.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/06/04 at 10:24 am

Half of the people released will end up in TNA.. and i imagine a few like Test, Palumbo and Gail Kim.. will become mainstays. TNA are looking for those kind of people.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/06/04 at 5:38 pm


Half of the people released will end up in TNA.. and i imagine a few like Test, Palumbo and Gail Kim.. will become mainstays. TNA are looking for those kind of people.


I think NWA-TNA have an open contract which means that wrestlers are free to come and go as they please. Perhaps the cleverest thing NWA-TNA have done.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/06/04 at 9:08 pm




I think NWA-TNA have an open contract which means that wrestlers are free to come and go as they please. Perhaps the cleverest thing NWA-TNA have done.



or they have All Japan Pro,Bob which they can train in. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 3:47 am

Hmm.. there was a big thing about this not long ago.. several top TNA Stars are being... 'asked' to sign written contracts. You notice that AJ etc never appear on ROH anymore, that's because TNA basically forbid them to.

With TNA getting bigger by the day (and rightly so) they will soon enough become real competition for WWE and then wrestling will emerge from the shadows again..

ROH is also gaining momentum and popularity, soon enough they will probably be rivaling TNA but unfortunatley i dont think 'pure wrestling' will ever catch on BIG TIME!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/07/04 at 2:56 pm

IMO, I don't think NWA-TNA have what it takes to dethrone WWE. I believe they are not making profit in their shows and are placing too much emphasis on Jeff Jarrett as the star attraction - which makes me believe that this is merely WCW part 2.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 3:01 pm

Possibly.. however all they need is that one lucky break.. Remember mid 90's WCW winning the ratings for what like 83 solid weeks.. then Smash.. Stone Cold Steve Austin basically makes his mark in a big way.. booya WCW see ya later

I dont think they have anybody like that at the moment, AJ the exception but he just isn't ever gonna be in a stone cold league..

However, more and more fans are turning to TNA, there wrestling is better, there wrestlers are generally better and with more and more talent going there it wont be long before some bigger stars start thinking, hell i could make nearly as much money in TNA and i would actually be a wrestler  ???

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/07/04 at 3:18 pm


Possibly.. however all they need is that one lucky break.. Remember mid 90's WCW winning the ratings for what like 83 solid weeks.. then Smash.. Stone Cold Steve Austin basically makes his mark in a big way.. booya WCW see ya later


Yep. You're right there. I think wrestling federations need to gamble with ideas more. If it wasn't for the unexpected Steve shoot at 'King of the Ring' 1997, you will probably not be seeing the same WWE.

I dont think they have anybody like that at the moment, AJ the exception but he just isn't ever gonna be in a stone cold league..

He's good but he's too slick I find. He isn't very remarkable in the character stakes either.

However, more and more fans are turning to TNA, there wrestling is better, there wrestlers are generally better and with more and more talent going there it wont be long before some bigger stars start thinking, hell i could make nearly as much money in TNA and i would actually be a wrestler  ???

Maybe.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 3:27 pm

Maybe.. Probably... Definatley

Happens v.fast

Watch TNA man, you will see.. the action is better, everything is more believable (no Katy Vick)

You can tell most of the workers WANT to work well

It's an all round better product

Now don't get me wrong, if WWE turned around and came back with some more top notch stuff i would watch that as well, but at the moment i never watch Smackdown, dont usually watch Raw and just watch PPV's that my mates have taped.. and this is from a guy who has watched wrestling since he was like 4...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/07/04 at 3:31 pm


Now don't get me wrong, if WWE turned around and came back with some more top notch stuff i would watch that as well, but at the moment i never watch Smackdown, dont usually watch Raw and just watch PPV's that my mates have taped.. and this is from a guy who has watched wrestling since he was like 4...


I am exactly the same these days. A P-P-V is on every month these days so why knock yourself out every week watching two products that don't give a monkey's whether you want to see wrestling or not?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/07/04 at 3:33 pm

Very well defined.. the PPV is usually worth a watch.. Like survivor series will be pretty good i expect, but the shows themselves don't matter.. WWE know they will get a pretty similar rating no matter what sheeshe they stick on there..

I'm really hyped about Victory Road.. i think it will totally own!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/08/04 at 6:54 pm


Maybe.. Probably... Definatley

Happens v.fast

Watch TNA man, you will see.. the action is better, everything is more believable (no Katy Vick)

You can tell most of the workers WANT to work well

It's an all round better product

Now don't get me wrong, if WWE turned around and came back with some more top notch stuff i would watch that as well, but at the moment i never watch Smackdown, dont usually watch Raw and just watch PPV's that my mates have taped.. and this is from a guy who has watched wrestling since he was like 4...



Well,Alcoholica,WWF will continue to suck.ratings are not that great these days.Smackdown is crap,RAW is ok.PPV's I hardly ever watch like I used to cause they're way too expensive.They'll have to come up with something that'll grab the ratings and boost them to about a 5. something. ::)
They should've kept the old fogeys like Hogan,Piper,Sable, & Snuka out of the picture a few years ago,WWF would've done better without them. >:(


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/08/04 at 6:55 pm


Very well defined.. the PPV is usually worth a watch.. Like survivor series will be pretty good i expect, but the shows themselves don't matter.. WWE know they will get a pretty similar rating no matter what sheeshe they stick on there..

I'm really hyped about Victory Road.. i think it will totally own!



RAW and Smackdown both have the classic Survivor Series match ups so we'll see how good this PPV will be this Sunday.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/08/04 at 7:04 pm

The WWE should only have the four main events (Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam and Survivor Series) and I believe that Raw/Smackdown should act similar to the Unforgiven/No Mercy/Armageddon/Judgement Day/Taboo Tuesday/Great American Bash thing. This way, it will improve plot direction (without having to fit something major at the end of every month), character and a thirst for the P-P-Vs. If I knew that a P-P-V was going to appear every three months, the hype would be three-fold that of the mediocre crap we get now (which, lets face it, is marginally better than Raw/Smackdown anyway!). This will also improve the rates for Smackdown and Raw as they will play a much better role.

Haven't the WWE realised that if you flood the market with something, people will get fed up with it?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/08/04 at 7:25 pm


The WWE should only have the four main events (Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam and Survivor Series) and I believe that Raw/Smackdown should act similar to the Unforgiven/No Mercy/Armageddon/Judgement Day/Taboo Tuesday/Great American Bash thing. This way, it will improve plot direction (without having to fit something major at the end of every month), character and a thirst for the P-P-Vs. If I knew that a P-P-V was going to appear every three months, the hype would be three-fold that of the mediocre crap we get now (which, lets face it, is marginally better than Raw/Smackdown anyway!). This will also improve the rates for Smackdown and Raw as they will play a much better role.

Haven't the WWE realised that if you flood the market with something, people will get fed up with it?



Yes.Bob you definitely have a point there.I agree with you. :)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Matts on 11/08/04 at 8:37 pm

This is kind of OT, but Bobby If you are a big ultimate Warrior fan, I just saw a movie called Firepower where he plays the lead bad guy of a underground fight circut! It wasn't to bad of a movie.  But maybe you already seen it?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/09/04 at 3:54 am

Personally i can see six PPV's a year being good. Nowadays people can't wait 3 months for that big ass matchup. Face it thats what Mania is for, granted there is a PPV a month before but everyone knows Mania is gonna totally own. Six a year would be awesome. The four main ones and then two others just to kind of... fill in the gaps. Face it, you have the Rumble in Januray, Mania in March, KOTR in May, Summerslam in July, Survivor Series in September and then Maybe Fully Loaded (I just like the name) in November.

I think it would work well. Also if anybody is interested, E-Mail me to get my new and condensed WWE Roster, working out who they could fire and the way things would work if the rosters were re-combined. Is relativley intereting, with 7-8 more fireings they could re-combine the rosters and we could have more entertaining TV Again.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/09/04 at 6:32 pm


Personally i can see six PPV's a year being good. Nowadays people can't wait 3 months for that big a** matchup. Face it thats what Mania is for, granted there is a PPV a month before but everyone knows Mania is gonna totally own. Six a year would be awesome. The four main ones and then two others just to kind of... fill in the gaps. Face it, you have the Rumble in Januray, Mania in March, KOTR in May, Summerslam in July, Survivor Series in September and then Maybe Fully Loaded (I just like the name) in November.

I think it would work well. Also if anybody is interested, E-Mail me to get my new and condensed WWE Roster, working out who they could fire and the way things would work if the rosters were re-combined. Is relativley intereting, with 7-8 more fireings they could re-combine the rosters and we could have more entertaining TV Again.


Now,it seems that WWF wants to have 2 PPVs a month,which is not the way it used to be 10 years ago.It used to be 1 PPV a month and that was it.And they're coming up with such strange names for them. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/09/04 at 6:34 pm

Has anyone seen the new and improved WWF web site? It's awesome. take a look :)

http://www.wwe.com


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/09/04 at 11:11 pm

A lot of neat stuff on their Howard but it's slow as heck..and you can't push the back button without it taking 10 years...and the popups!

But over all it's awesome

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/10/04 at 3:44 am

Hmmm, you musn't have a great connection, i am just useing a 128K and it loads up smartly..

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/10/04 at 5:33 am


This is kind of OT, but Bobby If you are a big ultimate Warrior fan, I just saw a movie called Firepower where he plays the lead bad guy of a underground fight circut! It wasn't to bad of a movie.  But maybe you already seen it?


Hi Matts.  :)

I haven't seen the film but the name rings a bell. I can't be that much of an Ultimate Warrior fan.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/10/04 at 5:47 am


Now,it seems that WWF wants to have 2 PPVs a month,which is not the way it used to be 10 years ago.It used to be 1 PPV a month and that was it.And they're coming up with such strange names for them. ::)


Well that really would be stupid, Howard (I reckon their thinking is to make a P-P-V for both Raw and Smackdown in the same month). That would be overkill IMO and the fans will get really sick of the idea I am sure. The WWE really are trying to milk this seperate factions thing for all it's worth, not realising they are restricting the fans choice.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/10/04 at 5:57 am

I think after Mania XXI they will re-combine the rosters, they seem to be getting rid of a lot of deadwood and some perfectly good wood mind.. but they are having a clear out. Could well be a sign.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Matts on 11/10/04 at 3:01 pm




Hi Matts.  :)

I haven't seen the film but the name rings a bell. I can't be that much of an Ultimate Warrior fan.  ;D
Yeah, you might be able to buy the DVD on Amazon market place for under 5 bucks! the VHS would be even less.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/10/04 at 5:51 pm


I think after Mania XXI they will re-combine the rosters, they seem to be getting rid of a lot of deadwood and some perfectly good wood mind.. but they are having a clear out. Could well be a sign.


Yep. Here's hoping.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/10/04 at 5:53 pm

well i don't know how much i wanna hop...

( i shouldnt comment being king of the Typow)

Yeah.. by the way.. WWE Have all but said they don't want to make many more releases because all it's doing is strengthening TNA.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/10/04 at 6:31 pm


I think after Mania XXI they will re-combine the rosters, they seem to be getting rid of a lot of deadwood and some perfectly good wood mind.. but they are having a clear out. Could well be a sign.



So far,The WWF have gotten rid of a whole load of people within the past year,especially the ones that were'nt being used properly.I wonder what it will take to get rid of HHH? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/10/04 at 6:33 pm




Well that really would be stupid, Howard (I reckon their thinking is to make a P-P-V for both Raw and Smackdown in the same month). That would be overkill IMO and the fans will get really sick of the idea I am sure. The WWE really are trying to milk this seperate factions thing for all it's worth, not realising they are restricting the fans choice.





That's why the fans don't give a rat's A-S-S about the PPV's anymore.the storyline buildup sucks and the ratings are down.That's one reason. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/11/04 at 3:12 am

I think if the rosters were re-combined then ratings would go up.. it's been proved that half the people that watch Raw, don't watch Smackdown and vice Versa...  and both shows get like a 3.5 3.9 usually.

Figure if they could see the people they wanted on each show your looking at theoretical ratings going to about 5.0 - 5.4

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/11/04 at 4:10 am


well i don't know how much i wanna hop...

( i shouldnt comment being king of the Typow)


I spelt 'hoping' correctly Alchoholica. 'Hopping' is what you are thinking about (I guess).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/11/04 at 7:39 am

I'm an idiot

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 11/11/04 at 7:44 am


Personally i can see six PPV's a year being good. Nowadays people can't wait 3 months for that big a** matchup. Face it thats what Mania is for, granted there is a PPV a month before but everyone knows Mania is gonna totally own. Six a year would be awesome. The four main ones and then two others just to kind of... fill in the gaps. Face it, you have the Rumble in Januray, Mania in March, KOTR in May, Summerslam in July, Survivor Series in September and then Maybe Fully Loaded (I just like the name) in November.

I could live with that. Changes I'd like to see is have KOTR work like Wrestlemania IV. Have them fight all the matches on the PPV instead of working all the matches up to the quarterfinals on Raw/Smackdown.  And grant the winner a title shot (either for WWE/Heavyweight or US/Intercontential) or some other form of bonus for winning. Supposedly winning the KOTR was supposed to be a sign of getting a push, but there have been people who've won it and then basically gone no where. I think they had the right idea with giving Lesnar a shot for winning the title.

As for Fully Loaded (or whatever name they choose), I'd say go with a Taboo Tuesday style format, only make it even more open. Give the fans more options. I was kind of disappointed in the "You have to choose between Edge, Benoit, or HBK to fight HHH." I say if enough fans vote to have Tajiri, Hurricane, and Nunzio in a Fatal Fourway TLC match with HHH, then let them have it. :)

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/11/04 at 7:48 am

I like your ideas... yeah there should be the 8 top guys entered in to KOTR and the winner gets a shot.. (maybe that night)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/11/04 at 6:20 pm


I think if the rosters were re-combined then ratings would go up.. it's been proved that half the people that watch Raw, don't watch Smackdown and vice Versa...  and both shows get like a 3.5 3.9 usually.

Figure if they could see the people they wanted on each show your looking at theoretical ratings going to about 5.0 - 5.4



If they had never combined the rosters in the first place,ratings would've been way up instead of it being in the 2's OR 3's all the time. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/11/04 at 6:27 pm

I don't know if it's true but from what I read on my wrestling messageboard is that Sean Waltman(XPac)has died.Could be that it was just misleading.God,I hope it is. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/12/04 at 7:55 am

Ok, lemme check Howard...

...checking...

...checking...

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/12/04 at 7:59 am

right, LOL.. my computer crashed and posted that incomplete.. no he isn't, it's obviously somebody making crap up...

However, there are.. substantial rumors that we could have a war games match at SS.. which would be awesome, Guerrero's team and Angle's team in classic survivor series and HHH's team vs Orton's team in War Games.. that would be sooooo righteous

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/12/04 at 8:55 pm


right, LOL.. my computer crashed and posted that incomplete.. no he isn't, it's obviously somebody making crap up...

However, there are.. substantial rumors that we could have a war games match at SS.. which would be awesome, Guerrero's team and Angle's team in classic survivor series and HHH's team vs Orton's team in War Games.. that would be sooooo righteous



and then at the very end of the night RAW survivors and Smackdown survivors could combine each other to engage in a battle royal just like The WWF did 14 years ago at The Survivor Series 1990.

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/13/04 at 3:59 am

OH HELL YEAH!

That would sooooo totally reak of awesomeness man. Like Orton's team vs Kurts team or something.. yeah that would be Uberly righteous.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/13/04 at 8:25 am


right, LOL.. my computer crashed and posted that incomplete.. no he isn't, it's obviously somebody making crap up...

However, there are.. substantial rumors that we could have a war games match at SS.. which would be awesome, Guerrero's team and Angle's team in classic survivor series and HHH's team vs Orton's team in War Games.. that would be sooooo righteous


I saw the line-up for Survivor Series, Alchoholica and, unfortunately, there is no mention of a war games match. I know that JBL is fighting Booker T for the title (yawn!), Undertaker is going against Heidenreich (another yawn?) and Trish Stratus V Lita (perhaps another yawn). However, there is a fatal four-way match featuring Rey Misterio which sounds promising (if executed properly).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/13/04 at 4:38 pm


OH HELL YEAH!

That would sooooo totally reak of awesomeness man. Like Orton's team vs Kurts team or something.. yeah that would be Uberly righteous.



That would be cool.If they had one,I'd like to see Big Show choke the life out of Batista or Randy Orton beat the crap out of Carlito Carribbean Cool. ;D

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/13/04 at 4:40 pm




I saw the line-up for Survivor Series, Alchoholica and, unfortunately, there is no mention of a war games match. I know that JBL is fighting Booker T for the title (yawn!), Undertaker is going against Heidenreich (another yawn?) and Trish Stratus V Lita (perhaps another yawn). However, there is a fatal four-way match featuring Rey Misterio which sounds promising (if executed properly).


Here's to a good PPV tomorrow night.hopefully,it turns out well the way they want it to be. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/14/04 at 1:16 am





and then at the very end of the night RAW survivors and Smackdown survivors could combine each other to engage in a battle royal just like The WWF did 14 years ago at The Survivor Series 1990.

Howard


It wasn't a Battle Royal Howard, it was a "Grand Finale!"

Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, and Tito Santana Vs Million Dollar Man, Rick Martle, Warlord, Hercules, Paul Roma

And of course the Underdog 3 to 5 team wins!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/15/04 at 6:41 pm


It wasn't a Battle Royal Howard, it was a "Grand Finale!"

Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, and Tito Santana Vs Million Dollar Man, Rick Martle, Warlord, Hercules, Paul Roma

And of course the Underdog 3 to 5 team wins!


Yes. I remember the finale to be quite pointless IMO. They could have added more length to the matches already available (and have cutted out the embarrassingly GoobledyGooker section).  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/15/04 at 8:09 pm




Yes. I remember the finale to be quite pointless IMO. They could have added more length to the matches already available (and have cutted out the embarrassingly GoobledyGooker section).  ::)


Yeah,that was the most retarded gimmick I've ever seen.A dancing chicken doing backflips? ::) ;D
Gimmie A Break. :P


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/15/04 at 8:16 pm

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/induction%20files/wmtale/wmthealbum0.jpg


Who in here owned this album from 1993? ;D^


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/16/04 at 12:58 am




Yes. I remember the finale to be quite pointless IMO. They could have added more length to the matches already available (and have cutted out the embarrassingly GoobledyGooker section).  ::)


You know who that was Bobby!?!?!  It was....Hector Gerrero Sr!!!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/16/04 at 5:54 pm




You know who that was Bobby!?!?!  It was....Hector Gerrero Sr!!!


I always wondered why Hector Guerreo was given the part to play The Gobbeldy Gooker? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/16/04 at 5:57 pm

Who in here thinks Ric Flair will retire by next year and break up Evolution?

http://karmaswrestlingretro.com/flair1.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/16/04 at 7:44 pm

I don't know the answer to that question Howard.....but this man here offically retired in 1985!!!!!! can you believe that???? and he quit wrestling when...15 years later Ha Ha HA HA!!!!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/17/04 at 2:59 am

Yeah.. and not a day too soon.

Flair will never fully retire but his age is seriously catching up with him.

Just at the moment he is resting because of a burst blood vessle in his leg... and these things are all catching up with him.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/17/04 at 7:56 pm


I don't know the answer to that question Howard.....but this man here offically retired in 1985!!!!!! can you believe that???? and he quit wrestling when...15 years later Ha Ha HA HA!!!!



But,you also forgot to mention that he got fired 2 years ago after his matches with Rakishi and Eddie Guerreo. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/17/04 at 8:00 pm


You know who that was Bobby!?!?!  It was....Hector Gerrero Sr!!!


Lol. He must have need the cash, Harmonica, that's all I can say. Stupid gambolling idiot. Was it just my embarrassment or did that segment feel like it went on for ever?  ;D

In answer to Howard, no I didn't get the Wrestlemania CD but I thought the song 'Wrestlemania' was good.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/17/04 at 8:02 pm

Who thinks The Undertaker will make it to 15 years and possibly beat Hulk Hogan's time in the WWF(20)?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/17/04 at 8:04 pm




Lol. He must have need the cash, Harmonica, that's all I can say. Stupid gambolling idiot. Was it just my embarrassment or did that segment feel like it went on for ever?  ;D

In answer to Howard, no I didn't get the Wrestlemania CD but I thought the song 'Wrestlemania' was good.


I wonder where Eddie was at the time Hector was playing The Gobbeldy Gooker in 1990?



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/17/04 at 8:07 pm


http://phenomforest.com/other/scc/pics4/9094clse.jpg
Who thinks The Undertaker will make it to 15 years and possibility beat Hulk Hogan's time in the WWF(20)?


At least The Undertaker was a mainstay through most of his 15 year tenure with the WWF. Hulk Hogan will remain noted IMO for approx. 9 years (1984 - 1992/a little of 1993/a little of 2002)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/17/04 at 8:11 pm


Who in here thinks Ric Flair will retire by next year and break up Evolution?

http://karmaswrestlingretro.com/flair1.jpg


I don't think Flair will ever retire until he dies. He may be like a Freddie Blassie figure ten years from now. You've got to wonder how Ric feels about ending his career with the WWE after spending so much time and energy in WCW.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/17/04 at 9:03 pm




I don't think Flair will ever retire until he dies. He may be like a Freddie Blassie figure ten years from now. You've got to wonder how Ric feels about ending his career with the WWE after spending so much time and energy in WCW.


He feels kinda sad but it was his job to entertain the fans. :)

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/22/04 at 12:29 pm

I'm sick of seeing no replys to this topic!!!



Let's talk about another underrated "superstar"!!!!!!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: stingr22 on 11/22/04 at 12:39 pm

Devon Storm aka Crowbar is extremely underrated.  The guy can take a bump better than just about anyone in the business!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/22/04 at 6:02 pm

I wonder what became of Superstar Bill Dundee? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/22/04 at 7:37 pm


I wonder what became of Superstar Bill Dundee? ???


Howard


I ain't seen him since his run in the USWA, I assume he retired or died...retired hopefully.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/22/04 at 7:56 pm




I ain't seen him since his run in the USWA, I assume he retired or died...retired hopefully.



probably lives in England somewhere.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/22/04 at 8:54 pm


I ain't seen him since his run in the USWA, I assume he retired or died...retired hopefully.


That was the last I saw of him as well, Harmonica. As this website says, as of November 2003, he was still wrestling!

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/b/bill-dundee.html

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/23/04 at 5:16 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/billdundee/02.jpg

I remember when he was a manager in WCW and managed William Regal.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/23/04 at 5:19 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/j/joshmathews/09.jpg


I still can't believe he got punked out by JBL and Orlando Jordan a few weeks ago. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/25/04 at 5:26 am

Has anybody else seen the next TNA  PPV main event?

'The Phenominal' A..J...Styles, Jeff 'The Human Highlight Reel' Hardy and... 'OOOOOOHHHH YEEEAAAAHHHH!' 'Macho Man' Raaaaaaaandy Saaaaaaaaaavage.

Versus

Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash & Scott Hall

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/25/04 at 6:12 am


Has anybody else seen the next TNA  PPV main event?

'The Phenominal' A..J...Styles, Jeff 'The Human Highlight Reel' Hardy and... 'OOOOOOHHHH YEEEAAAAHHHH!' 'Macho Man' Raaaaaaaandy Saaaaaaaaaavage.

Versus

Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash & Scott Hall


'Machoman' !?! Ha ha! It will be interesting to see how he gets on with all that ring rust he has accumulated over the last five years or so.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/25/04 at 6:15 am

Hopefully he's been taking his vitamins and saying his prayers.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/25/04 at 7:38 pm


Has anybody else seen the next TNA  PPV main event?

'The Phenominal' A..J...Styles, Jeff 'The Human Highlight Reel' Hardy and... 'OOOOOOHHHH YEEEAAAAHHHH!' 'Macho Man' Raaaaaaaandy Saaaaaaaaaavage.

Versus

Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash & Scott Hall


That's gonna suck. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/25/04 at 7:42 pm


That's gonna suck. ::)


All I know in that match is if Kevin Nash and Scott Hall are in it, it's going to be a very mediocre effort from them. 'Machoman' may shine as he will want to get exposure I'm sure. AJ Styles and Jeff Hardy will technically be excellent but not much else (may provide some decent spots) and - well, let's forget about Jeff Jarret heh?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/25/04 at 7:45 pm

http://www.nwatna.com/images/head/tp/wk3/macho1.jpg

Wow,look at this pic of Randy Savage.he has a full big beard these days. :o

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/25/04 at 7:51 pm


http://www.nwatna.com/images/head/tp/wk3/macho1.jpg

Wow,look at this pic of Randy Savage.he has a full big beard these days. :o


Yes, I think he needs a trim. He don't look bad though - how old is Randy Savage? He's got to be heading for his 110th birthday by now surely.  ;D

Modified to add: checked a website and he was born November 15th 1952. So he has just had his 52nd birthday!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/25/04 at 7:58 pm




Yes, I think he needs a trim. He don't look bad though - how old is Randy Savage? He's got to be heading for his 110th birthday by now surely.  ;D

Modified to add: checked a website and he was born November 15th 1952. So he has just had his 52nd birthday!


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/r/randysavage/50.jpg


He kinda reminds me of "Skinner" Steve Keirn from way back in the WWF days. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/25/04 at 8:07 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/r/randysavage/50.jpg
He kinda reminds me of "Skinner" Steve Keirn from way back in the WWF days. ;D


You're quite right, Howard, he does. Not the most flattering pic I have seen of Randy (though you rarely get to see Randy close up without his shades).

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/25/04 at 8:46 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/r/randysavage/12.jpg

Here's an old school pic of Randy Savage with his shades on. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/26/04 at 4:55 am

See, im actually a bit excited about this, not neccisarilly on how good or bad the match is, but that TNA managed to pull in Nash, Hall & Savage. It shows they are seriously growing seeing as Hall was basically saying he wouldn't work for anything less than a hundred gazillion dollars because he didn't really want to work.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/26/04 at 6:28 am


See, im actually a bit excited about this, not neccisarilly on how good or bad the match is, but that TNA managed to pull in Nash, Hall & Savage. It shows they are seriously growing seeing as Hall was basically saying he wouldn't work for anything less than a hundred gazillion dollars because he didn't really want to work.


I see where you are coming from, Alchoholica. I just don't think that TNA are going to get a hundred gazillion dollars worth out of Scot Hall.  :-\\

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/26/04 at 10:37 am

Nope.. sorry i didnt make the point, he aint gettin paid much, showing he actually wants to work for TNA.. to stick one up Vince's ass, and vinnie mac has made so many enemies..

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/26/04 at 6:54 pm

Who saw The WWF's Thanksgiving Food Fight on Smackdown last night? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/26/04 at 6:56 pm


Nope.. sorry i didnt make the point, he aint gettin paid much, showing he actually wants to work for TNA.. to stick one up Vince's a**, and vinnie mac has made so many enemies..



Vince is basically hated by mostly every wrestler who he screwed over. ::)

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/26/04 at 8:16 pm


Who saw The WWF's Thanksgiving Food Fight on Smackdown last night? ;D


Nope. Not bothered that I missed it either.

Vince has screwed wrestlers over (Kamala and Bad News Brown are examples - Kamala (James Harris) is a big-hearted American who got paid considerably less in his feud with The Undertaker and Bad News Brown (Allen Coage) admitted he had to fight for his pay-checks).

I believe Hulk Hogan got paid a $1.8 million for his match with 'Machoman' Randy Savage at Wrestlemania V - I wonder how much Savage got paid that night . . .  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/26/04 at 8:39 pm




Nope. Not bothered that I missed it either.

Vince has screwed wrestlers over (Kamala and Bad News Brown are examples - Kamala (James Harris) is a big-hearted American who got paid considerably less in his feud with The Undertaker and Bad News Brown (Allen Coage) admitted he had to fight for his pay-checks).

I believe Hulk Hogan got paid a $1.8 million for his match with 'Machoman' Randy Savage at Wrestlemania V - I wonder how much Savage got paid that night . . .  ::)




Bret Hart
Hulk Hogan
Shawn Michaels

most likely all of them got screwed one way or another. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/27/04 at 5:45 am

Bret was really pissed off at Flair if you saw him on that show i think on TSN, basically saying how Flair sucked chode majorly.. LOL.. i don't agree entirley, but Bret was a better worker than Flair.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/27/04 at 5:51 pm

Bret had plenty of feuds in WWF and WCW.I remember in 1992 Bret had beat Flair in Saskatoon and Bret also beat him in 1997 in WCW.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/28/04 at 12:07 pm


Bret Hart
Hulk Hogan
Shawn Michaels

most likely all of them got screwed one way or another. ::)


I don't believe Hogan got screwed at all by Vince. Usually, Hogan barked the demands. I'm not entirely sure Shawn Michaels got screwed either.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/28/04 at 12:08 pm


Bret had plenty of feuds in WWF and WCW.I remember in 1992 Bret had beat Flair in Saskatoon and Bret also beat him in 1997 in WCW.


IMO, Bret Hart should have quit wrestling after Survivor Series 1997.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/28/04 at 2:54 pm

No.. no he shouldn't.. he was just incredibly miss used by WCW... like they miss used everybody they had...

Bret went in to WCW as the most talked about wrestler in years, and they buried him and then Goldberg finished him off... something i can never forgive Goldberg for.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/28/04 at 8:41 pm




I don't believe Hogan got screwed at all by Vince. Usually, Hogan barked the demands. I'm not entirely sure Shawn Michaels got screwed either.



What about The Mr.America gimmick he had 2 years ago? ??? He was told to leave after he proved on camera that he was indeed Hulk Hogan.Such a dumb retarded gimmick anyway. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/28/04 at 8:42 pm




IMO, Bret Hart should have quit wrestling after Survivor Series 1997.



I guess Bret knew he was gonna head off to WCW. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/28/04 at 9:00 pm


No.. no he shouldn't.. he was just incredibly miss used by WCW... like they miss used everybody they had...

Bret went in to WCW as the most talked about wrestler in years, and they buried him and then Goldberg finished him off... something i can never forgive Goldberg for.


I remember Bret and Goldberg had a match at Starcade 1999 (I think it was this event billed as 'the last match before the millenium' or something) and after a rather mediocre affair (considering Bret's ability to have a decent match with wrestlers a bit bigger than himself), Roddy Piper comes along and simply gives the belt to him. Needless to say, Bret stood there looking rather confused. With plotting like that, no wonder WCW hit the dirt.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/28/04 at 9:06 pm


What about The Mr.America gimmick he had 2 years ago? ??? He was told to leave after he proved on camera that he was indeed Hulk Hogan.Such a dumb retarded gimmick anyway. ::)


Hulk Hogan left the WWE because Vince wouldn't give him creative control over his Mr USA character (though how much control is needed over such a one-dimensional character I have no idea). Hogan called the shots, Vince refused and Hogan left as a result. That is not getting screwed, this is simply Hogan going off on a temper tantrum.

Here is an analogy: I am good at my job but if I don't become a manager if I ask to be one am I being screwed? That is just simply life. The owner controls the wrestlers because he is paying them to be controlled.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/28/04 at 10:12 pm




Hulk Hogan left the WWE because Vince wouldn't give him creative control over his Mr USA character (though how much control is needed over such a one-dimensional character I have no idea). Hogan called the shots, Vince refused and Hogan left as a result. That is not getting screwed, this is simply Hogan going off on a temper tantrum.

Here is an analogy: I am good at my job but if I don't become a manager if I ask to be one am I being screwed? That is just simply life. The owner controls the wrestlers because he is paying them to be controlled.


I think Vince is the one who should be giving creative control not Hogan after all these years. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/29/04 at 8:33 am


I think Vince is the one who should be giving creative control not Hogan after all these years. ::)


He probably had creative control over the 'All American' character.

Besides, that would be like the monkey taking over the organ grinder's business. Vince has made his own money making his own decisions. He would never allow a wrestler to create bad business for him. I would be very much the same in Vince's shoes.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/29/04 at 9:18 am

Vince is big enough and tough enough to make his own cock ups.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Kryllith on 11/29/04 at 10:06 am


No.. no he shouldn't.. he was just incredibly miss used by WCW... like they miss used everybody they had...

There was one good thing about his time in WCW. He and Chris Benoit had a match one night and it was one of the best damn matches I've ever seen. :)

Kryllith

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/29/04 at 10:19 am

THat's the awful thing, on just about every card there was a great match, that's why so many people watched WCW, but it wasn't cus they had the best bookers, just that Ted could offer the money the best wrestlers wanted.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/29/04 at 7:13 pm


THat's the awful thing, on just about every card there was a great match, that's why so many people watched WCW, but it wasn't cus they had the best bookers, just that Ted could offer the money the best wrestlers wanted.


In all honesty, that was about the same with WWF from Wrestlemania 4 - Summerslam 1992 (in my opinion).

Wrestlemania 4 - Battle Royal
Summerslam 1988 - British Bulldog V Fabulous Rougeaus
Survivor Series 1988 - 10 team tag match
Royal Rumble 1989 - Hart Foundation/'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan V Fabulous Rougeaus/Dino Bravo (admittedly the Rumble was pretty good too).
Wrestlemania 5 - Hulk Hogan V 'Machoking' Randy Savage
Summerslam 1989 - Hart Foundation V Brainbusters & Ultimate Warrior V 'Ravashing' Rick Rude
Survivor Series 1989 - Dream Team V The Enforcers & Roddy's Rowdies V Rude's Brood
Royal Rumble 1990 - Royal Rumble
Wrestlemania 6 - Hulk Hogan V Ultimate Warrior
Summerslam 1990 - Hart Foundation V Demolition (2-3 falls) & Ultimate Warrior V 'Ravashing' Rick Rude (cage match)
Survivor Series 1990 - (no real favourite)
Royal Rumble 1991 - Rockers V Orient Express & Royal Rumble
Wrestlemania 7 - Ultimate Warrior V 'Machoking' Randy Savage (retirement match)
Summerslam 1991 - Bret 'Hitman' Hart V Mr Perfect
Survivor Series 1991 (no real favourite)
Royal Rumble 1992 - Royal Rumble
Wrestlemania 8 - Bret 'Hitman' Hart V 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper & 'Machoman' Randy Savage V Ric Flair
Summerslam 1992 - Ultimate Warrior V 'Machoman' Randy Savage & Bret 'Hitman' Hart V British Bulldog

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/29/04 at 7:33 pm


He probably had creative control over the 'All American' character.

Besides, that would be like the monkey taking over the organ grinder's business. Vince has made his own money making his own decisions. He would never allow a wrestler to create bad business for him. I would be very much the same in Vince's shoes.


http://www.hulkhogan.co.uk/mramerica1.jpg

This was such a dumb gimmick.I mean look at him! He's a darn fool for saying "I am not Hulk Hogan". ::)

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/29/04 at 7:34 pm

I think Kevin Nash(Diesel)was another wrestler who wanted all creative control over his character.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/29/04 at 9:23 pm


I think Kevin Nash(Diesel)was another wrestler who wanted all creative control over his character.


There really wasn't much to his character to take control of, Howard. Kevin Nash in my opinion, is only beaten by Scot/Rick Steiner for cutting the most boring (and pointless) promos ever.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/30/04 at 5:35 am

Nash was great with his Outsider gimmick, as was Hall, but Hall was genuinley a great wrestler, he just couldnt overcome his personal demons.

Yeah the period you described was poor Bobby, i kind of started watching wrestling aound 1992-'93 and it got visibly better around then as the new wave came in.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/30/04 at 6:45 am


Nash was great with his Outsider gimmick, as was Hall, but Hall was genuinley a great wrestler, he just couldnt overcome his personal demons.

Yeah the period you described was poor Bobby, i kind of started watching wrestling aound 1992-'93 and it got visibly better around then as the new wave came in.


It was such a shame because they had the talent (more than the WWF could cope with I presume) - now it's like a dry spot in the desert!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 11/30/04 at 3:22 pm


There was one good thing about his time in WCW. He and Chris Benoit had a match one night and it was one of the best darn matches I've ever seen. :)

Kryllith


Hey lets not forget how awesomely Chris Jericho was used.... if not fot the WCW he would not be where he is today.

BTW, anyone remember his sidekick, I think his name was Rufus, but when Chris and Saturn had the dress match he came in a dress and it stands out s one of the funniest things I have seen to date.  He was fat, hairy, and ugly.  Perfect for a nice little dress.  :o

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 11/30/04 at 3:37 pm

sorry sorry sorry, hold up now, how well Jericho was used in WCW... oh my gosh, did you not watch WCW... did you not see how Jericho (arguably the best talent of the decade) was used?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 11/30/04 at 7:26 pm

Speaking of the steiner brothers, I miss the old Scott and Rick. in my personal opinion Rick was the better of the two, but lack of muscle size made Scott the "better" of them. Rick had some of the coolest moves and he took bumps like no other.

Rick was awesome..bottom line..if you don't believe me watch some of his old matches..he pulls moves out of no where and he takes them like no other.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/30/04 at 7:55 pm


Speaking of the steiner brothers, I miss the old Scott and Rick. in my personal opinion Rick was the better of the two, but lack of muscle size made Scott the "better" of them. Rick had some of the coolest moves and he took bumps like no other.

Rick was awesome..bottom line..if you don't believe me watch some of his old matches..he pulls moves out of no where and he takes them like no other.


http://www.bootydaddy.com/graphics/gallery4/04pumped_r1_c3.gif


This is Scott Steiner with an attitude change.Big Poppa Pump. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/30/04 at 7:59 pm


Hey lets not forget how awesomely Chris Jericho was used.... if not fot the WCW he would not be where he is today.

BTW, anyone remember his sidekick, I think his name was Rufus, but when Chris and Saturn had the dress match he came in a dress and it stands out s one of the funniest things I have seen to date.  He was fat, hairy, and ugly.  Perfect for a nice little dress.  :o


Yeah,whatever became of Rufus?


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/30/04 at 9:22 pm


http://www.bootydaddy.com/graphics/gallery4/04pumped_r1_c3.gif
This is Scott Steiner with an attitude change.Big Poppa Pump. ;D


That's Scott with a steroid problem.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 11/30/04 at 9:24 pm


Speaking of the steiner brothers, I miss the old Scott and Rick. in my personal opinion Rick was the better of the two, but lack of muscle size made Scott the "better" of them. Rick had some of the coolest moves and he took bumps like no other.

Rick was awesome..bottom line..if you don't believe me watch some of his old matches..he pulls moves out of no where and he takes them like no other.


Yes, The Steiner Brothers were probably the main reason I started watching wrestling fully (I got my uncle to record WCW Worldwide when it was on). The frankinsteiner back then was incredible!

By the way, Harmonica, I have noticed you have been away for a little while - welcome back.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 11/30/04 at 9:34 pm


Yes, The Steiner Brothers were probably the main reason I started watching wrestling fully (I got my uncle to record WCW Worldwide when it was on). The frankinsteiner back then was incredible!

By the way, Harmonica, I have noticed you have been away for a little while - welcome back.  :)


And then Bob,the Steiner Brothers went to WWF and won the tag titles from The Quebecers in 1993.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/01/04 at 12:41 am


And then Bob,the Steiner Brothers went to WWF and won the tag titles from The Quebecers in 1993.


Howard


no they didn't Howard! The Quebecers beat the Steiners for the belts, by Disqualification!  I believe its the only time in history where a title DID change hands due to a DQ..

Here is who the Steiners beat for their 1st WWE Title and their 2nd too

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/01/04 at 7:29 am

LOLOLOL>. i just rememberd shane o's rip off Money Inc gimmick

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/01/04 at 11:30 am


sorry sorry sorry, hold up now, how well Jericho was used in WCW... oh my gosh, did you not watch WCW... did you not see how Jericho (arguably the best talent of the decade) was used?



He was a small man... he wouldn't have even made Sunday Night Heat in the WWE without a buildup in WCW.  IN WCW he was able to use gimmicks and rock the mic.

If he would  have started out in the the WWE he would be flippin burgers right now.  I don't exclusively relate usefulness with titles.

And opportunities to show your usefulness are better than nothing. When was the last time he was considered a contender in the WWE?  Oh yeah, he can be inthe matches, but after his one major title reign he's been used as a joke.  The higlight reel?  Come on!?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/01/04 at 11:54 am


That's Scott with a steroid problem.  ;D


One Word, W-E-A-K.

Freakzilla was no killer he was all filler.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/01/04 at 8:51 pm

I used to think that Money Inc could have been an excellent tag team but unfortunately, they chose to get counted out to keep their tag titles.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/01/04 at 8:53 pm


One Word, W-E-A-K.

Freakzilla was no killer he was all filler.



And no one gave him his walking papers.I haven't seem in god knows when. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/01/04 at 8:55 pm


no they didn't Howard! The Quebecers beat the Steiners for the belts, by Disqualification!  I believe its the only time in history where a title DID change hands due to a DQ..

Here is who the Steiners beat for their 1st WWE Title and their 2nd too


I wonder what broke them up as a tag team? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/01/04 at 8:57 pm

Anyone see the Lingerie Contest with Randy Orton the other night on RAW?

wrestling seems to be a titty show these days.Don't you agree? ;)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/01/04 at 11:58 pm


I wonder what broke them up as a tag team? ???


Howard


Steiners or Money Inc?


Steiners because Scott betrayed Rick by joining the NWO


Money Ince...I have no idea but I believe it's because Mike Rotundo(IRS) signed with WCW as V.K. Wallstreet shortly after Money Inc's 2nd Title loss to the Steiners.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Icemaidnrebix on 12/02/04 at 2:26 pm

Me and by best friend used to watch WWF wrestling at her house when we were about 12 until we were about 14.  I mashed my hand on the ceiling when Ultimate Warrior won the title. My friend used to have a cabin bed, we'd sit at the end and watch the TV, especially the wrestling. When he won I punched my fist into the air, but forgot how close to the ceiling I was, I ripped my knuckles to pieces, it hurt and they were bleeding everywhere.  Wow memories!  I had a laugh today, I was going through some old stuff and found my 1990/1991 WWF Sticker book..wow the fashions were SOOO 80's throwback, back then....especially The Rockers!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/02/04 at 3:04 pm


Me and by best friend used to watch WWF wrestling at her house when we were about 12 until we were about 14.  I mashed my hand on the ceiling when Ultimate Warrior won the title. My friend used to have a cabin bed, we'd sit at the end and watch the TV, especially the wrestling. When he won I punched my fist into the air, but forgot how close to the ceiling I was, I ripped my knuckles to pieces, it hurt and they were bleeding everywhere.  Wow memories!  I had a laugh today, I was going through some old stuff and found my 1990/1991 WWF Sticker book..wow the fashions were SOOO 80's throwback, back then....especially The Rockers!



I long for those late 80's through mid 90's days....Long live the rockers!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/02/04 at 5:28 pm


Steiners or Money Inc?


Steiners because Scott betrayed Rick by joining the NWO


Money Ince...I have no idea but I believe it's because Mike Rotundo(IRS) signed with WCW as V.K. Wallstreet shortly after Money Inc's 2nd Title loss to the Steiners.



And as for Ted Dibiase,he managed Steve Austin Ringmaster.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/04/austindibiase.jpg


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/02/04 at 5:37 pm



I long for those late 80's through mid 90's days....Long live the rockers!


Anyone remember The new Rockers? ::)

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/02/04 at 7:05 pm


Anyone remember The new Rockers? ::)


I certainly do, Howard. Marty's last chance with the WWF as he teamed with a heavily miscast Leif Cassidy (better known as Al Snow). Oddly enough, I believe they were heels at some point in the short tenure as a tag team.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/02/04 at 8:09 pm


I certainly do, Howard. Marty's last chance with the WWF as he teamed with a heavily miscast Leif Cassidy (better known as Al Snow). Oddly enough, I believe they were heels at some point in the short tenure as a tag team.


well sort of like dorky heels.nobody paid attention to them so he became Al Snow with Head as for Marty Jannety he went his own separate way.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/05/04 at 3:10 pm

yeah too bad him and Vince got into it or Jannetty woulda been as good as Michaels..he was originally supposed to be anyway..but he had to mess up on a few occasions.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/05/04 at 3:26 pm

From what i have heard Jannetty got a bit too big for his boots.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/05/04 at 9:19 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/m/martyjannetty/16.jpg


This was him a few years ago minus the long hair.^


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/05/04 at 9:20 pm


yeah too bad him and Vince got into it or Jannetty woulda been as good as Michaels..he was originally supposed to be anyway..but he had to mess up on a few occasions.



That's what maybe got him kicked out. ::)

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/05/04 at 10:09 pm

The story on Jannetty is simple, he didn't like the idea of being broken up but Michaels wanted to be. So he just left the WWE one day without notice...McMahon decided to give him a second shot and that's how Jannetty won the IC belt, but then Jannetty turned around and did it again and when he came back..McMahon wasn't so forgiving and stuck him in jobber matches with Savio Vega and Stone Cold before humiliating the Rocker Gimmick with Leif Cassidy.

I'm not saying it wasn't Jannettys fault cause it was partying, women, and not caring to much got the best of him, and by the time he figured that out, it was too late. Still have to say he's one of my all time favorites though, and if he would of taken his chance...he could have been as good as Michaels or better.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/06/04 at 8:41 pm


The story on Jannetty is simple, he didn't like the idea of being broken up but Michaels wanted to be. So he just left the WWE one day without notice...McMahon decided to give him a second shot and that's how Jannetty won the IC belt, but then Jannetty turned around and did it again and when he came back..McMahon wasn't so forgiving and stuck him in jobber matches with Savio Vega and Stone Cold before humiliating the Rocker Gimmick with Leif Cassidy.

I'm not saying it wasn't Jannettys fault cause it was partying, women, and not caring to much got the best of him, and by the time he figured that out, it was too late. Still have to say he's one of my all time favorites though, and if he would of taken his chance...he could have been as good as Michaels or better.


Eh, I can't say that Jannetty would have evoked the same emotion that Michaels did.  I mean, when they were together as the Rockers he was definately my favorite, but Shawn makes my blood boil just by breathing.

I bought the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies before WW XX and I swear he's done about a pound of coke.  He keeps sniffing, his eyes are glossy, and damn man, his lips are so dry they are white.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/06/04 at 8:49 pm

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/r/rockers/18.jpg

I kinda knew something was wrong with the Rockers.Shawn Michaels was acting strange and thought he was better than Jannetty. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/07/04 at 7:35 am


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/r/rockers/18.jpg


LMAO I love that pic.. that's definatley gonna get photoshopped

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/07/04 at 7:23 pm

I don't think anyone would have trouble finding embarrassing pictures of Shawn Michaels if they looked hard enough.  I mean, damn, all you would have to do would be look at a gay man's collection of Playgirl and you would find it  ::).

Anyways, just a little notice to all you Canadians on the board, if there are any, Bret Hart is going to be on OTR on TSN December 13th.  Rumor has it he's almost ready to release his book.

While I am sure it's going to contain a lot of 'hero' and 'role model' stuff in it, I am very interested in which wrestlers he appreciates/rips to shreds.  As far as I'm concerned he is one of the few out there that actually has credibility.  And he has definitely overcame much of the bitterness after Survivor Series and his stroke.

I bet he goes easier on McMahon then Michaels and Flair.

hehehe, I hope it's out near Christmas.  :)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/07/04 at 8:47 pm


I don't think anyone would have trouble finding embarrassing pictures of Shawn Michaels if they looked hard enough.  I mean, darn, all you would have to do would be look at a gay man's collection of Playgirl and you would find it  ::).

Anyways, just a little notice to all you Canadians on the board, if there are any, Bret Hart is going to be on OTR on TSN December 13th.  Rumor has it he's almost ready to release his book.

While I am sure it's going to contain a lot of 'hero' and 'role model' stuff in it, I am very interested in which wrestlers he appreciates/rips to shreds.  As far as I'm concerned he is one of the few out there that actually has credibility.  And he has definitely overcame much of the bitterness after Survivor Series and his stroke.

I bet he goes easier on McMahon then Michaels and Flair.

hehehe, I hope it's out near Christmas.  :)



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/06/hartgoldberg.jpg

maybe this is one picture that should be brought up in the book.^ ::)


Howard


Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/08/04 at 5:16 am


McMahon wasn't so forgiving and stuck him in jobber matches with Savio Vega and Stone Cold before humiliating the Rocker Gimmick with Leif Cassidy.


I've heard Vince does this with some wrestlers as punishment (I heard that Dusty Rhodes was an example - polka dots and acting camp!?!). If Vince wants these wrestlers, he should not be shooting himself in the foot like that because teaming him up with Leif Cassidy is not drawing the crowds - remember wrestlers may do wrong but the fans, like customers, are always right.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/08/04 at 5:43 am

When you have as much cash as Vince you can do pretty much what you want, however that dosen't mean to say he is right.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/08/04 at 11:03 am


I've heard Vince does this with some wrestlers as punishment (I heard that Dusty Rhodes was an example - polka dots and acting camp!?!). If Vince wants these wrestlers, he should not be shooting himself in the foot like that because teaming him up with Leif Cassidy is not drawing the crowds - remember wrestlers may do wrong but the fans, like customers, are always right.


I've heard horror story right after horror story...not to long Ago Terry Taylor was posing to Vince that maybe the promo's shouldn't have so much profanity and sexual references and Vince threatened to bring out the red hair dye.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/08/04 at 5:28 pm


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/06/hartgoldberg.jpg

maybe this is one picture that should be brought up in the book.^ ::)
Howard



Any story to it besides it being Goldberg and him ending Hitman's career?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/08/04 at 5:28 pm

Yeah all about how much of a jerk Goldberg is

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/08/04 at 5:33 pm


Yeah all about how much of a jerk Goldberg is


Here's a link to a background story of Goldberg trying to show how much of a man he was backstage against Jerhico...

...sort of backfired.

http://www.brethart.com/columns/may9.asp

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/08/04 at 5:37 pm

Tells you all you need to know anout Goldberg

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/08/04 at 8:46 pm

What was the story about Chris Jericho calling him "Greenburg" in WCW?
and why did they wait 4 years later to finally cross paths with each other? ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/08/04 at 8:48 pm

Jericho didn't think it was right that Goldberg even when he was new, Green and inexperienced, was beating people who deserved a push.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/08/04 at 8:53 pm


Jericho didn't think it was right that Goldberg even when he was new, Green and inexperienced, was beating people who deserved a push.



But that never gave him the right to make fun of him and call him Greenburg ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/08/04 at 8:55 pm

well.. Jericho is a hell of a lot better and Goldberg is a jerk... i think maybe this one can pass lol

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/08/04 at 9:12 pm


I've heard horror story right after horror story...not to long Ago Terry Taylor was posing to Vince that maybe the promo's shouldn't have so much profanity and sexual references and Vince threatened to bring out the red hair dye.


That's got to be a horror story. Lol. Terry's first outing was a complete disaster. I could never understand why he was in The Heenan Family to start with.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/08/04 at 9:13 pm


well.. Jericho is a hell of a lot better and Goldberg is a jerk... i think maybe this one can pass lol


Too right. Oh! I'll add my two-penny worth as well - Goldberg is a jerk.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/08/04 at 9:37 pm


Too right. Oh! I'll add my two-penny worth as well - Goldberg is a jerk.  ;D


maybe that's why he got fired from WWF. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/09/04 at 12:15 am


maybe that's why he got fired from WWF. ;D



Howard


I always liked "Goldturd! Goldturd!" any real pro wrestling fan, it'd be impossible to like Goldberg

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 6:51 am

He got fired from the WWF (i hate calling it WWE as well stupid name..)

Because, basically he wanted more money, he wanted to be the champion, he didn't wanna lose to anybody, he didn't wanna be teamed up with specific people, he just wanted to win everything and never lose. To be honest they have Triple H for that and he is a hell of a lot better than Goldberg, and i will give Hunter credit, he does occasionally lose.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/09/04 at 3:29 pm


He got fired from the WWF (i hate calling it WWE as well stupid name..)

Because, basically he wanted more money, he wanted to be the champion, he didn't wanna lose to anybody, he didn't wanna be teamed up with specific people, he just wanted to win everything and never lose. To be honest they have Triple H for that and he is a hell of a lot better than Goldberg, and i will give Hunter credit, he does occasionally lose.


I'm actually still pisssed at HHH for holding hte title for (8??10??12 Months) when he couldn't even wrestle.

That being said, at least when he's healthy, he's a helluva wrestler.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 3:34 pm

Yeah he is, it does annoy me that he flexes his politcal muscle to keep the title, but he does job for people, and i can see his reasoning. If he jobbed for everybody then it wouldn't be a major thing when somebody beat him, however, because he is so dominant when say Orton beats him, it pushes Orton or whoever, that little bit more than if a normal guy jobbed to them. Same can be said about The Undertaker.

Yeah when he is healthy he is one of the best, however he hasn't been properly healthy for some time now, he is just starting to get back to full fitness, but really he needs to take 2-3 months off and then come back better than ever.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/09/04 at 4:45 pm


Yeah he is, it does annoy me that he flexes his politcal muscle to keep the title, but he does job for people, and i can see his reasoning. If he jobbed for everybody then it wouldn't be a major thing when somebody beat him, however, because he is so dominant when say Orton beats him, it pushes Orton or whoever, that little bit more than if a normal guy jobbed to them. Same can be said about The Undertaker.

Yeah when he is healthy he is one of the best, however he hasn't been properly healthy for some time now, he is just starting to get back to full fitness, but really he needs to take 2-3 months off and then come back better than ever.


All I can say is that it hurts the WWE.  Is it me or has Vince lost his mind lately?  CCC winning the U.S. title in his first appearance, HHH keeping the championship while injured, Orton getting the belt with no real buildup.  I think the ratings show how much Vince is underminding his own company.

It's like all the belts are meaningless, unlike how they were 10 years ago.  Remember when the Intercontinental meant something?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 4:52 pm

It used to be that every title was important.. now the world heavyweight championship.. is just being left up in the air.. that tells you something

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:02 pm


Yeah he is, it does annoy me that he flexes his politcal muscle to keep the title, but he does job for people, and i can see his reasoning. If he jobbed for everybody then it wouldn't be a major thing when somebody beat him, however, because he is so dominant when say Orton beats him, it pushes Orton or whoever, that little bit more than if a normal guy jobbed to them. Same can be said about The Undertaker.

Yeah when he is healthy he is one of the best, however he hasn't been properly healthy for some time now, he is just starting to get back to full fitness, but really he needs to take 2-3 months off and then come back better than ever.


Triple H is a title hog.That's what happens when you're part of the McMahon Family and you're screwing the boss's daughter. ::)
He thinks he wants to be like Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:05 pm


It used to be that every title was important.. now the world heavyweight championship.. is just being left up in the air.. that tells you something



I think he deserves to get stripped of the title. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:05 pm


He thinks he wants to be like Ric Flair


That's exactly it, but as Mr Flair (who i am not a huge fan of to be honest) said.. To be the man, you gotta beat the man!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:07 pm


That's exactly it, but as Mr Flair (who i am not a huge fan of to be honest) said.. To be the man, you gotta beat the man!


and HHH has never beaten Ric Flair.Or has he? ???


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:07 pm

Well he has.. but not properly.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:12 pm

That's why Evolution will eventually crumble.I know that Batista is starting to turn face and I don't know abour Ric Flair having to confront HHH.That would be excellent. ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:14 pm

If they booked Triple H clean over ric flair, and Flair retired then.. that would be right.. he would retire with dignity, and by beating Ric Flair clean, 1...2...3 in the middle of the ring Triple H could honestly say he was the man. Maybe at Wrestlemania Ric Flair vs Triple H

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:15 pm


If they booked Triple H clean over ric flair, and Flair retired then.. that would be right.. he would retire with dignity, and by beating Ric Flair clean, 1...2...3 in the middle of the ring Triple H could honestly say he was the man. Maybe at Wrestlemania Ric Flair vs Triple H



or Batista vs.Ric Flair vs.HHH with Randy Orton as special guest referee. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:18 pm

That would be a neat match. Im wondering what Wrestlemania will be like this year.. i guess it's too early to say. I think Stone Cold will definatley be there, so will The Rock, i think Mick Foley will as well.

Personally i think the main event should be Randy Orton vs Chris Jericho

That would be such an awesome match, eventually they will have to make Randy orton a heel again, people just don't like him as a face.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:21 pm


That would be a neat match. Im wondering what Wrestlemania will be like this year.. i guess it's too early to say. I think Stone Cold will definatley be there, so will The Rock, i think Mick Foley will as well.

Personally i think the main event should be Randy Orton vs Chris Jericho

That would be such an awesome match, eventually they will have to make Randy orton a heel again, people just don't like him as a face.



It's just weird that Wrestlemania 21 is just around the corner.and to think last year Stone Cold was the referee for Goldberg vs.Brock Lesnar. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:23 pm

Yeah, that was a strange match, everybody knew that was both of those guys last matches, nobody cared about them and yet even Stone Cold was about to leave soon after.

That match really did suck though, Only Austin was good there

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:25 pm


Yeah, that was a strange match, everybody knew that was both of those guys last matches, nobody cared about them and yet even Stone Cold was about to leave soon after.

That match really did suck though, Only Austin was good there


Whoever thought everybody's dream match would come true but yet sucked so much. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:26 pm

Yeah.. and they hyped it up so much, and yet the match was just really bad, it didn't look like ther were even trying to make it look good.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 5:29 pm

and also Hulk Hogan vs.Vince McMahon sucked.Oh yeah,I heard that Hogan and her daughter will face Vince and her daughter at Wrestlemania 21.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 5:30 pm

Yeah i heard about that. I really doubt it though, and it would totally suck.. Brooke Hogan has never wrestled ever, and it's not like the Hulkster is much to watch anymore, in there match i really thought Vinny Mac was as good as the Hulkster.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 6:47 pm


Yeah i heard about that. I really doubt it though, and it would totally suck.. Brooke Hogan has never wrestled ever, and it's not like the Hulkster is much to watch anymore, in there match i really thought Vinny Mac was as good as the Hulkster.


Vince McMahon will never be as good as Hulk Hogan.Vince thinks he can wrestle. ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 6:48 pm

Hogan used to be able to wrestle.. now he can't simple as that

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/09/04 at 6:52 pm


Hogan used to be able to wrestle.. now he can't simple as that


Vince can't wrestle either. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 6:59 pm

True.. but he trys lol

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/09/04 at 7:30 pm

What was interesting (if anything) about that Goldberg/Lesnar match at Wrestlemania 21 was how quick the whole thing ended. What Goldberg did to Lesnar was very much what Lesnar did to The Rock before he left for the movies.

Anyone looking forward to The Royal Rumble? What are your predictions for the winner?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/09/04 at 7:34 pm

The Rumble looks interesting... my prediction for the rumble will have to wait until after Armaggedon.. well ok i will explain.

Basically if Eddie Guerrero or The Undertaker wins, then i think it will be either one of them that lost or Booker T. (I wanna see RVD win but he won't)

However if it is a Raw winner, i would like to see Jericho win it.. and i can actually see him doing so.

He isn't involved in anything big at the moment, and Vince ain't that stupid, he knows Jericho is a big draw.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/10/04 at 11:10 am


Hogan used to be able to wrestle.. now he can't simple as that


Since when?  As far as I can figure it, Hogan is just as good now as he ever was, but that's because he never could wrestle. He was just a magician with the crowd.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/10/04 at 11:12 am

There have been matches where Hogan has been good, against Savage he was good, it was an entertaining well put together match and on several occasions against Andre he was good.. but that was about it.

In WCW he never had one good match in my opinion.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/10/04 at 11:22 am


There have been matches where Hogan has been good, against Savage he was good, it was an entertaining well put together match and on several occasions against Andre he was good.. but that was about it.

In WCW he never had one good match in my opinion.


Who woulda thought the first person to pin Hulk Hogan in WCW would be Arn Anderson?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/10/04 at 11:27 am


There have been matches where Hogan has been good, against Savage he was good, it was an entertaining well put together match and on several occasions against Andre he was good.. but that was about it.

In WCW he never had one good match in my opinion.



I absolutely disagree. While he didn't win any matches by legitimate pinfall when he was a heel that was just part of his character. And it really made you more annoyed with him. Speaking of Savage and the WCW though, I beleive it was after Hogan had turned on Savage with the NWO when I saw their best match.

It wasn't anything special until Savage, who was eyeing Hogan outside of the ring while on top of the turnbuckle, jumped at Hulk who was resting on the gate around the ring.  By some freak accident Savage, who missed Hogan a la elbow, went to anchor himself on the rail.  Instead, his elblow fell into a partition preventing him from stopping himself.  His knees bent, his chin when into the corner of the rail, and you could literally see his eyes open up about 3 times their normal size.  I could almost see the stars around his skull.

I am sure that it was one of the biggest hits he ever received but he pressed on in an absolute daze, shaking his head and grabbing his rearranged chin.  Hogan kept going but you could see that Randy took a few minutes just to figure out who he was.  After that the match took on a special meaning because of the sheer will of Savage.  He pulled it off with Hogan and I am sure to this day I was one of the very few who picked out the blow to Randy.

It turned out to be a great match.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/10/04 at 11:36 am

wow when was that?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/10/04 at 12:19 pm


wow when was that?


Right after Hogan turned on Savage.  I think they were fighting over leadership of NWO.

can't remember the exact year but it must have been around 98-99.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/10/04 at 5:44 pm


The Rumble looks interesting... my prediction for the rumble will have to wait until after Armaggedon.. well ok i will explain.

Basically if Eddie Guerrero or The Undertaker wins, then i think it will be either one of them that lost or Booker T. (I wanna see RVD win but he won't)

However if it is a Raw winner, i would like to see Jericho win it.. and i can actually see him doing so.

He isn't involved in anything big at the moment, and Vince ain't that stupid, he knows Jericho is a big draw.



I expect for JBL to probably cheat his way to keeping his title at Armageddon.I think JBL is starting to be a title hog just like HHH is now. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/10/04 at 5:47 pm

http://repository.wwe.com/galleries/smackdown/120904/images/02.jpg

Who saw Hiroko's reaction to the crowd last night on Smackdown? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/10/04 at 7:46 pm


Since when?  As far as I can figure it, Hogan is just as good now as he ever was, but that's because he never could wrestle. He was just a magician with the crowd.


That's very much it. Hogan was not there for wrestling in it's technical form (though I know he can wrestle and have seen him do it). He may be a crap actor outside the ring but he puts a performance on selling his opponents moves before the hulk-up.

I believe his lack of in-ring imagination is probably what makes audiences like him as well. It's all familiar and safe to the fans.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/10/04 at 10:47 pm


That's very much it. Hogan was not there for wrestling in it's technical form (though I know he can wrestle and have seen him do it). He may be a crap actor outside the ring but he puts a performance on selling his opponents moves before the hulk-up.

I believe his lack of in-ring imagination is probably what makes audiences like him as well. It's all familiar and safe to the fans.


You can't get any clearer or on the money than that.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: SkyLowLow on 12/10/04 at 11:15 pm


Ultimate Warrior couldn't win a title for bupkus after the late 90's ;D



Howard


I think Evil Warrior is exactley what the WWE needs to boost ratings. It would be cool.  All right reserved. heheh :P

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/11/04 at 7:36 pm


I think Evil Warrior is exactley what the WWE needs to boost ratings. It would be cool.  All right reserved. heheh :P



not in today's WWF would it work. ::)


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/11/04 at 7:37 pm

Did anyone see that picture of Hiroko I posted a few posts above?
She was so suprised to see the guys gawk at her. ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/11/04 at 7:39 pm

LOLOLOL.. Yeah.

I wonder what Bischoff will say on Monday? What do you think Howard?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/11/04 at 8:01 pm

I am going to predict that at New Years Revelouiton 6 men will enter the Elimination Chamber.

Triple H, Edge, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and then either a returning Kane, (it's too early for a HBK return) or maybe somebody like Maven or with any luck Christian.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/11/04 at 8:12 pm


LOLOLOL.. Yeah.

I wonder what Bischoff will say on Monday? What do you think Howard?


I think Bischoff will strip HHH of the title and the belt will be up for grabs at The Royal Rumble.


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 5:38 am

He will strip HHH of it, but it will be up for grabs at New Years Reveloution.. which is the next RAW Pay Per View

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/12/04 at 2:30 pm



not in today's WWF would it work. ::)


You are right, Howard. It wouldn't work because before 1998, the WWF had a different mentality (focusing on role models and heros). When Steve Austin became the anti-hero in 1997, role models and heros in their proper sense were no more.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 2:31 pm

Which some may say was for the better.. of course they are trying to establish heroes and anti heroes now and it just isn't working

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Harmonica on 12/12/04 at 2:36 pm


Which some may say was for the better.. of course they are trying to establish heroes and anti heroes now and it just isn't working


and which some would say was for the Worse....WWE is going down hill...and it's because of the HUGE short success...what goes up...must come down.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 2:38 pm

Yeah but if it hadn't been done they would have just.. well not been here at all.

Basically it was a choice between go out on a limb and chance it.. or slowly fade away in to non existance

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/12/04 at 6:59 pm


and which some would say was for the Worse....WWE is going down hill...and it's because of the HUGE short success...what goes up...must come down.



the reason of it being poor was the fight between the pandas.I want the F back in already. >:(

Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:00 pm

The F had to get the F out and isn't allowed back the world wildlife fund sued again a few months ago

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/12/04 at 7:02 pm


You are right, Howard. It wouldn't work because before 1998, the WWF had a different mentality (focusing on role models and heros). When Steve Austin became the anti-hero in 1997, role models and heros in their proper sense were no more.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/u/ultimatewarrior/06.jpg

Do you this warrior picture would work in today's WWF or not? ;D



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/12/04 at 7:04 pm


The F had to get the F out and isn't allowed back the world wildlife fund sued again a few months ago


Now what did they sue for this time? Don't they have better things to do with themselves than to pick on The WWF? ::)



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:06 pm

'Fraid not Howard.. much as i think the Warrior was awesome.. the days of power & paint are long gone.. now it's Puppies and Politics


Now what did they sue for this time? Don't they have better things to do with themselves than to pick on The WWF? ::)


Some documentary had a WWF Logo in it.. something like that

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/12/04 at 7:07 pm


'Fraid not Howard.. much as i think the Warrior was awesome.. the days of power & paint are long gone.. now it's Puppies and Politics

Some documentary had a WWF Logo in it.. something like that


someone should go to the World Wildlife Fund and punch a panda. >:(



Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:10 pm

awwww.. the Panda didn't do it.. i have it on good knowledge that Panda's like wrestling

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Howard on 12/12/04 at 7:13 pm

So,why don't the pandas make an appearance on RAW or Smackdown? ;D


Howard

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:16 pm

Duh.. you never seen Rob Van Dam?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/12/04 at 7:17 pm


Which some may say was for the better.. of course they are trying to establish heroes and anti heroes now and it just isn't working


I liked the idea that wrestlers had stable motives for what they did and everything was done in context. For example, Spike Dudley turns from being the runt of the litter to 'Little Napolean' without any kind of character development. Once you have watched ECW, the idea of D-Von and Bubba Ray following Spike's every whim seems all the more ludicrous.

I couldn't imagine 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan, 'Ravashing' Rick Rude or The Ultimate Warrior changing personalities!

By the way, is it me or does the Armageddon P-P-V card look pretty awful?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:21 pm

Armaggedon has started i think.. yeah it looks sheeshe!

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/12/04 at 7:21 pm


So,why don't the pandas make an appearance on RAW or Smackdown? ;D


I would rather watch a couple of pandas beat each other up than most of the WWE's rosta at the moment.  ::)  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/12/04 at 7:22 pm


Armaggedon has started i think.. yeah it looks sheeshe!


Anybody have a clue what this John Cena and Jesus thing is all about?

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:23 pm

Kinda...jesus twatted cena with the chain.. so they have a street fight..  ::)

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/12/04 at 7:26 pm


Kinda...jesus twatted cena with the chain.. so they have a street fight..  ::)


Oh right lol. I saw the line-up on a website (without prior knowledge of what was going on) and I thought John Cena was wrestling with religious issues.  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:27 pm

Yes fitting that 'Jesus' is wrestling at Armaggedon isn't it. That puts the bejeezuz up my soon to be jewish arse.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:28 pm

"I have come to Tampa tonight to cleans the world of those who beseech me.. ANDREW! where are you sneaking off to boy.."

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Bobby on 12/12/04 at 7:34 pm


Yes fitting that 'Jesus' is wrestling at Armaggedon isn't it. That puts the bejeezuz up my soon to be jewish arse.


What are your reasons for becoming Jewish, Alchoholica?

Back to wrestling: Yeah it is fitting.  ???  ;D

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:35 pm

Oh... just that it makes more sense to me.. so little of the bullsheesh.. and i feel the catholic church is the most corrupt, hypocritical organisation in the world.. save for Microsoft, Fox and the Republican party.

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )

Written By: Alchoholica on 12/12/04 at 7:42 pm

RVD & Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Dupree & Suziki

RVD is out first along with his partner Rey Mysterio Jr. This match is for the tag team titles and next out we have Suziki and Dupree. RVD leads off as he hammers on Suziki, but then quickly gets Rey Jr. tagged in. Rey takes a knee to the midsection as he is grounded to the mat and Dupree is tagged in.

RVD finally gets the tag and he hammers on both members of Suziki/Dupree connection. RVD tosses Dupree back into the ring and Rey Jr. goes to work on him.

Double team by RVD and Rey Jr. with a monkeyflip and kick to the chin and pin attempt, but Dupree is able to kick out.

Finally Dupree gains the advantage and sends Rey Jr. to the outside. He then goes on the offense against RVD and tags in Suziki when he returns to the ring apron.

Suziki locks in a reverse chin lock in the middle of the ring as Rey tries to get the crowd up to help RVD fight out of the move.

RVD delivers a kick to the jaw of Kenzo and gets over to Rey for the tag. Mysterio hammers on Dupree now in the corner as he runs in. Dupree is able to take advantage when the referee is distracted and they gain the advantage.

Torrie Wilson runs out to the ring apron to aid RVD & Rey Mysterio from outside interference. Dupree continues to work on Rey Mysterio on the inside of the ring. Dupree places a knee in the small of Rey’s back.

The crowd tries to rally Mysterio as Suziki now works him over in the middle of the ring. Rey tries to get to the corner, but Dupree is able to cut him off and then turns around and delivers a cheap shot to RVD which sends him off the corner. As RVD tries to crawl into the ring and return the favor the referee is distracted and a double team ensues.

Suziki nails Rey with a huge right hand. They now have Rey backed into their corner. Rey Jr. is still in the ring and is hurting. He hasn’t been able to make a tag in quite sometime. Finally Rey hits the hunacanrana and he tries to make the tag. He finally does and RVD hits the ring taking out Dupree. RVD hits a moonsault and goes for the cover, but Dupree is able to kick out.

Rolling Thunder by RVD and then a cover attempt, but Kenzo breaks up the count. Rey finally is able to aid RVD as he hits a double 619 on both Kenzo and Dupree. Then RVD goes up top and hits the frogsplash and the champions retain the titles in tonight’s opening matchup.

Winners: Rey Mysterio & RVD

Kurt Angle vs. Santa Clause

Kurt Angle’s music hits as he is escorted to the ring with two armed security guards. Angle tells us that he is going to put his gold medal on the line tonight in a match with Santa Clause. Santa Clause hits the ring wearing his suit and with a bag of gifts.

Angle tells Santa that he “does not like him” because all his daughter only wants to write to Santa Clause. Angle hits the olympic slam and an ankle lock on Santa as Santa taps out. Not quite sure what that was all about.

Winner: Kurt Angle


No i didn't make that last bit up
I will update this until i go to sleep..

Subject: Re: 90s wrestling (yup wresting again )