It seems like since 2006 began, the 1990s board has flourished.  I guess we're getting to the point where a lot of kids can't remember the '90s, or only barely can.

It seems like since 2006 began, the 1990s board has flourished.  I guess we're getting to the point where a lot of kids can't remember the '90s, or only barely can.


It has been busier lately, maybe.

It has been busier lately, maybe.


2006, for some reason, seems important.  Finally, we feel deeply into the 2000s and 21st Century. 

Maybe it's because so many 20th Century icons passed away in 2004 and '05.

2006, for some reason, seems important.  Finally, we feel deeply into the 2000s and 21st Century. 

Maybe it's because so many 20th Century icons passed away in 2004 and '05.


Yea we are now well into the 2000s heading into the late '00s. People are starting to realize that the '90s are getting older and more people are longing for the '90s the way things are going now.

Yea we are now well into the 2000s heading into the late '00s. People are starting to realize that the '90s are getting older and more people are longing for the '90s the way things are going now.


I never thought I would miss the days of the Backstreet Boys  ;D

I can't believe 1998 was nearly a decade ago.

I never thought I would miss the days of the Backstreet Boys  ;D

I can't believe 1998 was nearly a decade ago.


Yea it is hard to believe, time has really gone fast. The late '90s are now quite a while ago. I remember 1998 like yesterday.

Yea it is hard to believe, time has really gone fast. The late '90s are now quite a while ago. I remember 1998 like yesterday.


Me too.  ;D

Yet, it still doesn't feel much different, except for political events and outlook and like we've discussed the dominance of hip hop over culture, as opposed to simply huge influence over music.

I think it's definitely starting now, even as '80s nostalgia is still really the hot thing. It'll probably be really big by 2010 or so, with grunge and R&B "divas" and '90s sitcom nostalgia. Friends was still on the air until like last year, now it feels like the '90s are really far away since maybe last fall. In the early '00s it basically still felt like the '90s. They may not have been so great, but they're better than this.

I think it's definitely starting now, even as '80s nostalgia is still really the hot thing. It'll probably be really big by 2010 or so, with grunge and R&B "divas" and '90s sitcom nostalgia. Friends was still on the air until like last year, now it feels like the '90s are really far away since maybe last fall. In the early '00s it basically still felt like the '90s. They may not have been so great, but they're better than this.


The "late '90s" vibe went from 1997 to mid 2001.

I think it's definitely starting now, even as '80s nostalgia is still really the hot thing. It'll probably be really big by 2010 or so, with grunge and R&B "divas" and '90s sitcom nostalgia. Friends was still on the air until like last year, now it feels like the '90s are really far away since maybe last fall. In the early '00s it basically still felt like the '90s. They may not have been so great, but they're better than this.


I think nostalgia in media terms is actually more like 25-30 years. The '50s came back in the '80s up till about 1986. The 60s around 1989, and the '70s peaking around 1998 (i.e. That 70s Show with lingering effects today).

Therefore I don't think we'll see 90's nostalgia in the "revived" sense until about 2015 or 2020. You know what, though? I almost wonder if further decades will only be revived in small forms, or by certain people, as opposed to as a whole.

I mean, the '80s are certainly TRYING to come back, have since probably 2003, but the rap culture makes this harder to do. Plus, there aren't as many sweeping cultural changes, and people are being "big kids" longer now, so the '70s might actually be the last truly "retro revitalized" era.


But anyway, I think now we're realizing even 2001 was five years ago, and no one prepubescent can probably remember anything before Y2K or Pokemon. That makes us miss it more, even if the cultural feel isn't that different from 1999, or heck, even 1995/96 in some ways.

I think nostalgia in media terms is actually more like 25-30 years. The '50s came back in the '80s up till about 1986. The 60s around 1989, and the '70s peaking around 1998 (i.e. That 70s Show with lingering effects today).

Therefore I don't think we'll see 90's nostalgia in the "revived" sense until about 2015 or 2020. You know what, though? I almost wonder if further decades will only be revived in small forms, or by certain people, as opposed to as a whole.

I mean, the '80s are certainly TRYING to come back, have since probably 2003, but the rap culture makes this harder to do. Plus, there aren't as many sweeping cultural changes, and people are being "big kids" longer now, so the '70s might actually be the last truly "retro revitalized" era.


But anyway, I think now we're realizing even 2001 was five years ago, and no one prepubescent can probably remember anything before Y2K or Pokemon. That makes us miss it more, even if the cultural feel isn't that different from 1999, or heck, even 1995/96 in some ways.


Yeah, I agree. Most "revivals" of decades are very limited in span; i.e. the '50s returned to the '80s in the form of leather jackets, the '80s are returning into the '00s with hoop earrings, but the '90s were so much like the '70s they actually felt like them in some ways.  When watching That '70s Show, for instance (which probably isn't the best representation of the '70s  ;D), you really feel at home. 

But yeah, it is very sad (but in a way, cool) that nobody until the age of 12 or 13 can remember pre-1999 era stuff.

Yeah, I agree. Most "revivals" of decades are very limited in span; i.e. the '50s returned to the '80s in the form of leather jackets, the '80s are returning into the '00s with hoop earrings, but the '90s were so much like the '70s they actually felt like them in some ways.  When watching That '70s Show, for instance (which probably isn't the best representation of the '70s  ;D), you really feel at home. 

But yeah, it is very sad (but in a way, cool) that nobody until the age of 12 or 13 can remember pre-1999 era stuff.


Yes, I always got the feeling the beginnger '70s (the period from roughly 1971/72-75, and maybe we can throw 1976 in there too) was a very "laid back" time, but different in its own way. It shared alot in common with the '60s, but was also a toned down/more modern feel to it in its own way.

There wasn't any HUGE cultural shift in this time, which is partly why I think it was/is so easy to revive. It really was kinda laid back post-60s/pre '70s.

The '90s (1991-96, and actually even anytime before '99) was alot like this in its own way. 

Yes, I always got the feeling the beginnger '70s (the period from roughly 1971/72-75, and maybe we can throw 1976 in there too) was a very "laid back" time, but different in its own way. It shared alot in common with the '60s, but was also a toned down/more modern feel to it in its own way.

There wasn't any HUGE cultural shift in this time, which is partly why I think it was/is so easy to revive. It really was kinda laid back post-60s/pre '70s.

The '90s (1991-96, and actually even anytime before '99) was alot like this in its own way. 


Yeah.

Have you been like me, and become softer on 1997 and 1998? I mean, even with "South Park" and stuff, they were still pretty cool compared to now.  The technology was high then, but more simplistic than now, and it at least didn't feel like the end of the world like now does, LOL  ;D

Yeah.

Have you been like me, and become softer on 1997 and 1998? I mean, even with "South Park" and stuff, they were still pretty cool compared to now.  The technology was high then, but more simplistic than now, and it at least didn't feel like the end of the world like now does, LOL  ;D


I have too and 1999 as well, I think the late '90s were great in a lot of ways.

I have too and 1999 as well, I think the late '90s were great in a lot of ways.


Yeah, even 1999 was alright.  But since a lot of '00s trends started then, it's not quite as good as 1997 and '98 and of course anything prior to that.

Yeah.

Have you been like me, and become softer on 1997 and 1998? I mean, even with "South Park" and stuff, they were still pretty cool compared to now.  The technology was high then, but more simplistic than now, and it at least didn't feel like the end of the world like now does, LOL  ;D


I think around 2003 was when I started to miss 1997/98, but even then it felt slightly closer to it than it does now. For instance, I had only graduated high school three years before, now it's pushing six! Add in another presidential election passed, and alot of celebrities dying in the past year, that makes it feel further away.

Probably the Ipod/Myspace/cameraphone craze around 2004/5, as well as no "kids" being able to remember pre-1999 anymore (or only slightly) has made it more nostalgic to me, even if many things still look almost identical. The Internet and such felt more exciting because it was still relatively new.

I think around 2003 was when I started to miss 1997/98, but even then it felt slightly closer to it than it does now. For instance, I had only graduated high school three years before, now it's pushing six! Add in another presidential election passed, and alot of celebrities dying in the past year, that makes it feel further away.

Probably the Ipod/Myspace/cameraphone craze around 2004/5, as well as no "kids" being able to remember pre-1999 anymore (or only slightly) has made it more nostalgic to me, even if many things still look almost identical. The Internet and such felt more exciting because it was still relatively new.


Yeah.  In a way, 2002 and '03 sort of brought on the 2000s.

Yeah, even 1999 was alright.  But since a lot of '00s trends started then, it's not quite as good as 1997 and '98 and of course anything prior to that.


I have come to miss 1999 a lot, I really think it was a great year for a lot of reasons. I actually miss alot of late '90s pop now, it's actually I hate to say becomming nostalgic to me. The impeachment trial finally ended. The economy was really good, all the talk about the surplus, things seemed so good in 1999. Everybody, including myself was really excited about the new millennium as well.

I have come to miss 1999 a lot, I really think it was a great year for a lot of reasons. I actually miss alot of late '90s pop now, it's actually I hate to say becomming nostalgic to me. The impeachment trial finally ended. The economy was really good, all the talk about the surplus, things seemed so good in 1999. Everybody, including myself was really excited about the new millennium as well.


Yeah.  Plus, even the Britney Spears songs from then weren't complete BS.

Yeah.  Plus, even the Britney Spears songs from then weren't complete BS.


Yea, and they're better than "Grillz". lol.

Yea, and they're better than "Grillz". lol.


;D

Yeah.  Plus, even the Britney Spears songs from then weren't complete BS.


Even though at the time, I kinda dismissed her as a "kiddie" act (even though she's my age) I didn't completely hate her music. I will give her credit that her very first songs are catchy in a guilty pleasure/teenybopper way (i.e. "Sometimes"), although I never would've admitted it. :D

She's a hottie too. Although I do wish she hadn't shifted pop music so sharply into the American Idol/Disney pop obsession. Back then I remember thinking it would be totally an "in the moment" thing that people woule be laughing at by 2003.

Even though at the time, I kinda dismissed her as a "kiddie" act (even though she's my age) I didn't completely hate her music. I will give her credit that her very first songs are catchy in a guilty pleasure/teenybopper way (i.e. "Sometimes"), although I never would've admitted it. :D

She's a hottie too. Although I do wish she hadn't shifted pop music so sharply into the American Idol/Disney pop obsession. Back then I remember thinking it would be totally an "in the moment" thing that people woule be laughing at by 2003.


Yeah.  I actually liked her at first, because my brother thought she was hot.  By 2000, I thought she would be gone ... I guess I was wrong!  Her heyday was more 1999-2005.

Even though at the time, I kinda dismissed her as a "kiddie" act (even though she's my age) I didn't completely hate her music.

I will give her credit that her very first songs are catchy in a guilty pleasure/teenybopper way. She's a hottie too. Although I do wish she hadn't shifted pop music so sharply into the American Idol/Disney pop obsession.

Back then I remember thinking it would be totally an "in the moment" thing that people woule be laughing at by 2003.


At the time I didn't admit to liking a lot of the teen pop stuff but really I did. I actually like a lot of the music from 1999 (No Scrubs, Every Morning, Fly Away, Unpretty, Angel of Mine, If You Had My Love, Save Tonight, Someday, even I Want It That Way and Livin' LaVida Loca, lol)

Yeah.  I actually liked her at first, because my brother thought she was hot.  By 2000, I thought she would be gone ... I guess I was wrong!  Her heyday was more 1999-2005.


I'd say early 1999-2001 for her music, and 2002+ for her celebrity. She'll probably always be a household name, but musically her career kinda ended when she tried to do the "dirty pop" thing around '02. It may have worked if she started off that way, but no one bought it because of her teenybopper image, probably.

I do wonder if one reason the late '90s are seeming further away now is the boybands basically not having much more success. I don't think Justin Timberlake has had a hit since 2003 or so. Backstreet's comeback last year was kinda shortlived, it seems.

At the time I didn't admit to liking a lot of the teen pop stuff but really I did. I actually like a lot of the music from 1999 (No Scrubs, Every Morning, Fly Away, Unpretty, Angel of Mine, If You Had My Love, Save Tonight, Someday, even I Want It That Way and Livin' LaVida Loca, lol)


Come to think of that, doesn't some '90s music almost sound like "oldies" today? Not like Beach Boys oldies, but like "Smooth" by Santana for instance sounds like grocery store music.

I'd say early 1999-2001 for her music, and 2002+ for her celebrity. She'll probably always be a household name, but musically her career kinda ended when she tried to do the "dirty pop" thing around '02. It may have worked if she started off that way, but no one bought it because of her teenybopper image, probably.

I do wonder if one reason the late '90s are seeming further away now is the boybands basically not having much more success. I don't think Justin Timberlake has had a hit since 2003 or so. Backstreet's comeback last year was kinda shortlived, it seems.


Yeah, teen pop is totally dead pretty much.  It's molded into other things, but that is pretty much the same thing as dying out.  The American Idol thing is a little less bubblegum, so isn't quite the same thing.

At the time I didn't admit to liking a lot of the teen pop stuff but really I did. I actually like a lot of the music from 1999 (No Scrubs, Every Morning, Fly Away, Unpretty, Angel of Mine, If You Had My Love, Save Tonight, Someday, even I Want It That Way and Livin' LaVida Loca, lol)


Never liked Ricky Martin or the Latin pop stuff, but most of the other songs I actually do/did like. Even if 1999 music was very "2000s" in many ways, it was more diverse than today IMO. It actually felt more like 1997 and '98 if you know what I mean.

I've said this before, but one thing I dislike is the lack of cheesy "prom styled" pop ballads today. 1999 was probably the last year they were decently popular.

Come to think of that, doesn't some '90s music almost sound like "oldies" today? Not like Beach Boys oldies, but like "Smooth" by Santana for instance sounds like grocery store music.


Yeah some songs do sound different, not so much old but they have a certain style that you don't really see anymore.

Never liked Ricky Martin or the Latin pop stuff, but most of the other songs I actually do/did like. Even if 1999 music was very "2000s" in many ways, it was more diverse than today IMO. It actually felt more like 1997 and '98 if you know what I mean.

I've said this before, but one thing I dislike is the lack of cheesy "prom styled" pop ballads today. 1999 was probably the last year they were decently popular.


I think the Emo bands are kind of bringing that back.  Like "Just The Girl" by Click Five, a terrible song, but kind of likeable and even kind of eighties-like in a way.

I'd say early 1999-2001 for her music, and 2002+ for her celebrity. She'll probably always be a household name, but musically her career kinda ended when she tried to do the "dirty pop" thing around '02. It may have worked if she started off that way, but no one bought it because of her teenybopper image, probably.

I do wonder if one reason the late '90s are seeming further away now is the boybands basically not having much more success. I don't think Justin Timberlake has had a hit since 2003 or so. Backstreet's comeback last year was kinda shortlived, it seems.


Yeah I haven't heard much from Timberlake since I think "Cry Me a River" in 2003.

Yeah I haven't heard much from Timberlake since I think "Cry Me a River" in 2003.


However his solo album really was more of a R&B album than a pop album.

I think the Emo bands are kind of bringing that back.  Like "Just The Girl" by Click Five, a terrible song, but kind of likeable and even kind of eighties-like in a way.


Never heard that, but I'll try and listen out for songs like that. Was it you who once said a certain genre tends to go "ballad oriented" once it gets older? If that's true, maybe we'll start to be innundated with emo ballads/love songs in the late '00s? The same way we had alternative/teenpop ballads around 1999, and hair metal ballads peaking around 1988.

Never heard that, but I'll try and listen out for songs like that. Was it you who once said a certain genre tends to go "ballad oriented" once it gets older? If that's true, maybe we'll start to be innundated with emo ballads/love songs in the late '00s? The same way we had alternative/teenpop ballads around 1999, and hair metal ballads peaking around 1988.


That was me :)

Maybe we will.  I mean, Simple Plan's "Untitled" isn't quite a ballad, but it's pretty slow and actually a really good song.

However his solo album really was more of a R&B album than a pop album.


True. I always got the feeling the solo members of the boybands tried to make music that would distance themselves from their "teenybopper" image, while the girls tried to do dirty pop. For better or worse, neither really worked. I wonder if that actually kinda led to their demise?

True. I always got the feeling the solo members of the boybands tried to make music that would distance themselves from their "teenybopper" image, while the girls tried to do dirty pop. For better or worse, neither really worked. I wonder if that actually kinda led to their demise?


I think they just wanted to "fill the gaps", that is, not be a popular musician, but be a "figure" and still technically be making music.

As for their demise, I just think their fanbase grew up.  The nine year olds of 1999 liked the Backstreet Boys, the nine year olds of today like Avril Lavigne and Jesse McCartney.

Maybe the "teen pop" has just shifted into the Disney realm and out of the Top 40.  Stuff like Aly & A.J., for instance.

That was me :)

Maybe we will.  I mean, Simple Plan's "Untitled" isn't quite a ballad, but it's pretty slow and actually a really good song.

Never heard it (that I know of), but I like departure songs from these kind of bands. I actually think SP might be slightly more talented than your typical Good Charlotte-type pop punk band.

Of course if I had it my way, "pop" songs would be like "Take On Me" and ballads would be like REO Speedwagon's "Can't Fight this Feeling". Not likely though. ;D

Never heard it (that I know of), but I like departure songs from these kind of bands. I actually think SP might be slightly more talented than your typical Good Charlotte-type pop punk band.

Of course if I had it my way, "pop" songs would be like "Take On Me" and ballads would be like REO Speedwagon's "Can't Fight this Feeling". Not likely though. ;D


I love Take on Me.  Really the song of the eighties, huh?

Yeah, Simple Plan aren't that bad.  I really don't dislike Emo that much, even if the Emo people are complete wusses  ;D
Do you know what song I love?  "I Want To Know What Love Is" by Foreigner.  No man would claim to like it, but every man really does.  '80s music is kind of like masturbation: you don't admit to doing it, but you do when nobody's around and so does everyone else  ;D

I think they just wanted to "fill the gaps", that is, not be a popular musician, but be a "figure" and still technically be making music.

As for their demise, I just think their fanbase grew up.  The nine year olds of 1999 liked the Backstreet Boys, the nine year olds of today like Avril Lavigne and Jesse McCartney.

Maybe the "teen pop" has just shifted into the Disney realm and out of the Top 40.  Stuff like Aly & A.J., for instance.


Yeah, I never thought of that, but I guess Nickelodeon/Disney pop (i.e. Hilary Duff) is actually more of an update of Britney and the Backstreet Boys.

The 10 year old girls of 1999 are 16-17 now, and the 13 year olds are 19-20, so I agree no matter what, that stuff wouldn't have survived very long on its own.

BTW, do you think Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch and such sound kinda like a "bridge" between 1998-ish teenpop and today's Emo styled pop?

True. I always got the feeling the solo members of the boybands tried to make music that would distance themselves from their "teenybopper" image, while the girls tried to do dirty pop. For better or worse, neither really worked. I wonder if that actually kinda led to their demise?


Yea, I think they were just trying to fit in with the hip-hop image in order to keep their success. It started with Britney's "Britney" album in 2001, which was horrible in my opinion. I didn't mind her 2003 album so much though.

I think they just wanted to "fill the gaps", that is, not be a popular musician, but be a "figure" and still technically be making music.

As for their demise, I just think their fanbase grew up.  The nine year olds of 1999 liked the Backstreet Boys, the nine year olds of today like Avril Lavigne and Jesse McCartney.

Maybe the "teen pop" has just shifted into the Disney realm and out of the Top 40.  Stuff like Aly & A.J., for instance.


I actually kind of like that "Rush" song by those girls, lol.

I love Take on Me.  Really the song of the eighties, huh?

Yeah, Simple Plan aren't that bad.  I really don't dislike Emo that much, even if the Emo people are complete wusses  ;D
Do you know what song I love?  "I Want To Know What Love Is" by Foreigner.  No man would claim to like it, but every man really does.  '80s music is kind of like masturbation: you don't admit to doing it, but you do when nobody's around and so does everyone else  ;D


;D

Actually that makes sense. Even some of the biggest '80s music trashers who say they suck, or claim they were too young (i.e. "only 5 in 1990") actually would listen to it in private.

BTW, "I Wanna Know What Love Is" was one of the first songs I got into. That's why I always considered 1984 and '85 my favorite musical years.

Yeah, I never thought of that, but I guess Nickelodeon/Disney pop (i.e. Hilary Duff) is actually more of an update of Britney and the Backstreet Boys.

The 10 year old girls of 1999 are 16-17 now, and the 13 year olds are 19-20, so I agree no matter what, that stuff wouldn't have survived very long on its own.

BTW, do you think Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch and such sound kinda like a "bridge" between 1998-ish teenpop and today's Emo styled pop?


Yeah I think so.  Avril is too bubblegum for the '90s, but still kind of has that vibe, if that makes sense.

P.S. do you think a early '90s kid is too young for BSB, Britney, etc.?  I don't, because a lot of 8 and 9 year olds are actually pretty culturally smart.  Even a 1994er wouldn't be unaware of them if they had an older sibling.

Yeah I think so.  Avril is too bubblegum for the '90s, but still kind of has that vibe, if that makes sense.

P.S. do you think a early '90s kid is too young for BSB, Britney, etc.?  I don't, because a lot of 8 and 9 year olds are actually pretty culturally smart.  Even a 1994er wouldn't be unaware of them if they had an older sibling.


No, I know 1992ers that were into the 1999 stuff, though they totally hate it now.

Yeah I think so.  Avril is too bubblegum for the '90s, but still kind of has that vibe, if that makes sense.

P.S. do you think a early '90s kid is too young for BSB, Britney, etc.?  I don't, because a lot of 8 and 9 year olds are actually pretty culturally smart.  Even a 1994er wouldn't be unaware of them if they had an older sibling.


I actually think that probably was the beginning of their main audience. I remember seeing TONS of little kids (i.e. maybe 6-10, some even maybe 5) in 1999 who were singing BSB songs, or I overheard saying something about Britney Spears, etc.

And, to use myself as an example ad nauseum, even if it weren't for my parents listening to the radio and such, I still remember ALOT starting in 1987, so on my own I would've been old enough to like late '80s music.

No, I know 1992ers that were into the 1999 stuff, though they totally hate it now.



Yeah.

Don't you think 1999 is like the quintessential van guard Y year?  2004 is probably more Y, but IMO to truly be Y you have to at least remember something from 1999.

Yeah.

Don't you think 1999 is like the quintessential van guard Y year?  2004 is probably more Y, but IMO to truly be Y you have to at least remember something from 1999.


Oh yea, if you don't remember 1999 at all, you're really not a yer.

Oh yea, if you don't remember 1999 at all, you're really not a yer.


Yeah, which is Y I consider 1994ers, as young as they seem to be true Y.  I mean, at least they remember 1999.  Unlike a 1997er, who would see a VHS tape the way a 1987er would see a vinyl record.

Also, there just aren't as many 9-year olds as there were in 1999, 1997 had a far lower birthrate than 1990, which rivaled alot of baby boom years in babies born that year. I think teens have more of a hold on the market now than they did back then because of the demographic push.

About Britney's celebrity...her music has not been that successful since maybe when I was in 5th grade or so, so I would say her popularity ended around 9/11 for music, and since then she's been tabloid fodder and a household name. Probably she'll have faded out of the spotlight totally except for ridicule by the end of this decade. And there is a lack of cheesy prom-styled ballads, and it's a good point that towards its end a genre goes for slower songs. Like new wave did that, hair metal did that, etc. So probably we'll be seeing emo and indie rock ballads and love songs by the time I'm graduating from high school. Anyway, whenever I show up at a school dance these days, all I hear is glam rap maybe with some '80s, even a few years back you still heard '90s stuff.

I think probably from about 1994 or 1995 on a person wouldn't be aware of how big that whole thing was with teen pop except in a marginal sense. People forget things they're briefly aware of around 5 pretty easily. Like they would've heard it, but it wouldn't mean that much to them. And yeah, Justin Timberlake has a fading career...even though lots of people born in the mid-late 1980s are loathe to admit it, he is not the next "king of pop" or something. By the end of the '00s all these people will be are tabloid fodder.

Yeah, which is Y I consider 1994ers, as young as they seem to be true Y.  I mean, at least they remember 1999.  Unlike a 1997er, who would see a VHS tape the way a 1987er would see a vinyl record.


Yeah, the 1997ers are very boardline, but they are like yz cusp since they will remember and like a lot of the gen y things from the '00s especially mid-late '00s.

But still, I hold to my opinion that '94 on isn't real, genuine Gen Y. Gen Xers born in 1966 remembered boomer culture from the early 1970s, and may even have liked it, but it wasn't really what shaped them, and they aren't considered at all boomer. '94-'96 definitely has alot more Y in it than '97+, but it's still more Gen Z than anything, probably.

Also, there just aren't as many 9-year olds as there were in 1999, 1997 had a far lower birthrate than 1990, which rivaled alot of baby boom years in babies born that year. I think teens have more of a hold on the market now than they did back then because of the demographic push.

About Britney's celebrity...her music has not been that successful since maybe when I was in 5th grade or so, so I would say her popularity ended around 9/11 for music, and since then she's been tabloid fodder and a household name. Probably she'll have faded out of the spotlight totally except for ridicule by the end of this decade. And there is a lack of cheesy prom-styled ballads, and it's a good point that towards its end a genre goes for slower songs. Like new wave did that, hair metal did that, etc. So probably we'll be seeing emo and indie rock ballads and love songs by the time I'm graduating from high school. Anyway, whenever I show up at a school dance these days, all I hear is glam rap maybe with some '80s, even a few years back you still heard '90s stuff.

I think probably from about 1994 or 1995 on a person wouldn't be aware of how big that whole thing was with teen pop except in a marginal sense. People forget things they're briefly aware of around 5 pretty easily. Like they would've heard it, but it wouldn't mean that much to them. And yeah, Justin Timberlake has a fading career...even though lots of people born in the mid-late 1980s are loathe to admit it, he is not the next "king of pop" or something. By the end of the '00s all these people will be are tabloid fodder.


Yeah ... 9/11 kind of set the mood.  2002, for instance, in some ways feel closer to 2006 than to spring of 2001.

As for 1994/95ers, maybe there's kind of a gap in the very middle of the '90s. 1994ers seem quite Y to me, but 1995 I'm not totally sure of.  They probably are Y too, since like Brian said they will be able to remember now just fine, but they will definitely share things in common with Z considerably more than even a '92er or '93er would.

Because really, a 1992er is just like a younger version of a 1987 baby in many ways.

But still, I hold to my opinion that '94 on isn't real, genuine Gen Y. Gen Xers born in 1966 remembered boomer culture from the early 1970s, and may even have liked it, but it wasn't really what shaped them, and they aren't considered at all boomer. '94-'96 definitely has alot more Y in it than '97+, but it's still more Gen Z than anything, probably.


Yeah, I used to take that stance too, but I'm thinking more now that they're the very end of Y.  There's definitely a Z element to those born in 1994 or later though.

Thing is 11 years is not long enough for a generation. 1981-1992 or whatever is just not long enough. Y has to extend to at least about 1995 maybe even as far as 1997. There's just 2 halves of y, there's an older half, and there's the later half. The later half of y has somethings in common with gen z, but I would still include them with gen y. Same thing with those born in the late '70s and very early '80s, they're gen x in my opinion even though they may share some similarites with gen y.

Thing is 11 years is not long enough for a generation. 1981-1992 or whatever is just not long enough. Y has to extend to at least about 1995 maybe even as far as 1997. There's just 2 halves of y, there's an older half, and there's the later half. The later half of y has somethings in common with gen z, but I would still include them with gen y. Same thing with those born in the late '70s and very early '80s, they're gen x in my opinion even though they may share some similarites with gen y.



I totally agree.

Don't you think that 1990-1992 kids are really, for the most part like "little 1987ers"?  I would say a '90er or '91er is more like a '70s baby culturally than a '00s baby.  1993-1996/'97 is where they start to be more like Z than X, but it's still definitely Y. 1998 and 1999 is probably Z.

Yeah ... 9/11 kind of set the mood.  2002, for instance, in some ways feel closer to 2006 than to spring of 2001.

As for 1994/95ers, maybe there's kind of a gap in the very middle of the '90s. 1994ers seem quite Y to me, but 1995 I'm not totally sure of.  They probably are Y too, since like Brian said they will be able to remember now just fine, but they will definitely share things in common with Z considerably more than even a '92er or '93er would.

Because really, a 1992er is just like a younger version of a 1987 baby in many ways.


Yeah, that last part is true. But then and again, remembrance isn't the same thing as seeing or participating. Generation Xers born in 1964 definitely remembered the '60s, but lord, they were most definitely not baby boomers. And they weren't that different from people born in the 1960s, but I think people born in the mid-90s will be pretty different than the core late '80s group of Y. They won't remember accurately a world before the dot-com boom, and they won't be part of the current teen culture as much, graduating HS in 2012. Remembrance is different than experience. I think '94 will sort of either be the last year of Z or the first of Y, and '95 will be basically Z.

IMO, Gen X is 1964-1976 for pure Gen X. Most Gen Xers I've talked to disagree with the late 1970s being included at all, they're pretty defensive of their generational stature. Late 1970s, from talking to people in their late '20s, is either, they don't really think of themselves as belonging to anything except maybe the '90s generation. Early '80s to early '90s is Real Y.

I just really don't think people born in the mid-1990s are sharing or will share the same general experiences as people born in the early 1990s, by and large. Different generation, IMO.

I totally agree.

Don't you think that 1990-1992 kids are really, for the most part like "little 1987ers"?  I would say a '90er or '91er is more like a '70s baby culturally than a '00s baby.  1993-1996/'97 is where they start to be more like Z than X, but it's still definitely Y. 1998 and 1999 is probably Z.


Yea in ways they are, the 1992 kids still seem kinda like little kids even at 13/14 that seems quite young to me now, but we're pretty similiar culturally. But the 84ers and 85ers seem closer to my age now though.

Yeah, that last part is true. But then and again, remembrance isn't the same thing as seeing or participating. Generation Xers born in 1964 definitely remembered the '60s, but lord, they were most definitely not baby boomers. And they weren't that different from people born in the 1960s, but I think people born in the mid-90s will be pretty different than the core late '80s group of Y. They won't remember accurately a world before the dot-com boom, and they won't be part of the current teen culture as much, graduating HS in 2012. Remembrance is different than experience. I think '94 will sort of either be the last year of Z or the first of Y, and '95 will be basically Z.

IMO, Gen X is 1964-1976 for pure Gen X. Most Gen Xers I've talked to disagree with the late 1970s being included at all, they're pretty defensive of their generational stature. Late 1970s, from talking to people in their late '20s, is either, they don't really think of themselves as belonging to anything except maybe the '90s generation. Early '80s to early '90s is Real Y.

I just really don't think people born in the mid-1990s are sharing or will share the same general experiences as people born in the early 1990s, by and large. Different generation, IMO.


You do make some valid points.  The main problem, though is that a generation can't be just 12 or 13 years.  It's gotta be at least fifteen, and maybe even twenty years.   It doesn't really make sense to have 13 years of X (1964-1976) and 18 years of Y (1977-1994).

Yea in ways they are, the 1992 kids still seem kinda like little kids even at 13/14 that seems quite young to me now, but we're pretty similiar culturally. But the 84ers and 85ers seem closer to my age now though.


But you'd say they're probably closer to an '87er than say a '97er, right?

Yeah, that last part is true. But then and again, remembrance isn't the same thing as seeing or participating. Generation Xers born in 1964 definitely remembered the '60s, but lord, they were most definitely not baby boomers. And they weren't that different from people born in the 1960s, but I think people born in the mid-90s will be pretty different than the core late '80s group of Y. They won't remember accurately a world before the dot-com boom, and they won't be part of the current teen culture as much, graduating HS in 2012. Remembrance is different than experience. I think '94 will sort of either be the last year of Z or the first of Y, and '95 will be basically Z.

IMO, Gen X is 1964-1976 for pure Gen X. Most Gen Xers I've talked to disagree with the late 1970s being included at all, they're pretty defensive of their generational stature. Late 1970s, from talking to people in their late '20s, is either, they don't really think of themselves as belonging to anything except maybe the '90s generation. Early '80s to early '90s is Real Y.

I just really don't think people born in the mid-1990s are sharing or will share the same general experiences as people born in the early 1990s, by and large. Different generation, IMO.


Yes, some people around the Brat Pack age do come off a little "protective" at times of their generation. Thinking for instance, unless you were a 15 year old sneaking into a girl's house to watch "Thriller" in 1983, there's no way you whippersnappers could remember or experience the '80s! ;D

They probably feel this way about people born after 1977 ('77 to '78 feels like a big shift to me, in terms of relation to the '80s). I think more '78er are prone to dissing the '80s than a '77er, who seems almost like a "little '80s teen" in a way. Think DJ from Full House.

Heck, if you apply that theory, could you consider 1978 people to be VERY early Gen Y? It seems kinda too old, but at the same time, they were still 16 in 1994 when the Internet was starting to become talked about, and only 20 in 1998.

But you'd say they're probably closer to an '87er than say a '97er, right?


Oh Yea.

Yes, some people around the Brat Pack age do come off a little "protective" at times of their own generation. Thinking for instance, unless you were a 15 year old sneaking into a girl's house to watch the "Thriller" video in 1983, there's no way a whippersnapper like you could remember or experience the '80s.

They probably feel this way about people born after 1977 ('77 to '78 feels like a big shift to me, in terms of relation to the '80s).

Heck, if you apply that theory, could you consider 1978 people to be VERY early Gen Y? It seems kinda too old, but at the same time, they were still 16 in 1994 when the Internet was starting to become talked about, and only 20 in 1998.


The late '70s kids are analogous to the mid '90s kids.  They're barely X, but cross into Y territory quite often. Early '90s kids are like to Y what mid '70s kids are to X.  Solidly in the generation, but on the younger side.

Not necessarily in the cultural sense, the baby boomers threw off everything. I'm talking more about a generation as a group of people who shared similar experiences and times in their formative years, not as much as a demographic thing. And yeah...Gen X brat packers are pretty damn protective of their generation and the '80s, because they hate baby boomers, a much larger and more influential group of people. People born around 1970 will get shocked if you even suggest they are a baby boomer or have anything to do with them. Yeah, Donnie, I agree with your last post, except I think mid-90s is more Z.

Not necessarily in the cultural sense, the baby boomers threw off everything. I'm talking more about a generation as a group of people who shared similar experiences and times in their formative years, not as much as a demographic thing. And yeah...Gen X brat packers are pretty damn protective of their generation and the '80s, because they hate baby boomers, a much larger and more influential group of people. People born around 1970 will get shocked if you even suggest they are a baby boomer or have anything to do with them. Yeah, Donnie, I agree with your last post, except I think mid-90s is more Z.


Sweet.  I'll agree to disagree on mid-90s kids :)

Not necessarily in the cultural sense, the baby boomers threw off everything. I'm talking more about a generation as a group of people who shared similar experiences and times in their formative years, not as much as a demographic thing. And yeah...Gen X brat packers are pretty damn protective of their generation and the '80s, because they hate baby boomers, a much larger and more influential group of people. People born around 1970 will get shocked if you even suggest they are a baby boomer or have anything to do with them. Yeah, Donnie, I agree with your last post, except I think mid-90s is more Z.


I've never understood why a 1969-er for instance, seems to hate Baby Boomers so much.

Heck, it almost seems like resentment from both sides (the post 1977-ers are just whippersnapper kids, and anyone before, say 1958 is an evil SOB who we're supposed to rebel against).

BTW I do mean that slightly tongue in cheek. Of course it's not true for everyone, and I also like so much of what a typical 1969 or 70-er did in their teen years.

I've never understood why a 1969-er for instance, seems to hate Baby Boomers so much.

Heck, it almost seems like resentment from both sides (the post 1977-ers are just whippersnapper kids, and anyone before, say 1958 is an evil SOB who we're supposed to rebel against).

BTW I do mean that slightly tongue in cheek. Of course it's not true for everyone, and I also like so much of what a typical 1969 or 70-er did in their teen years.


I think they envy the Baby Boomer's significance.  They don't "hate" them, I mean they're only a demographic, but they feel left out kind of and are bitter about it, as a group.

Okay, we'll agree to disagree... :). But we do both agree they're mixed, at least.

Baby boomers can also get very, very protective of their generation. Once, I suggested the boomers ended in 1963 because most 1964 born have more in common with Generation X, and he got pretty defensive, and he's not usually a stickler for that sort of thing.

Generation X had a huge amount of resentment in their teen years towards the people in say, their 30s in the '80s, who the entire world was focused upon. They thought the baby boomers took everything and all the cultural attention, and also experienced the finer side of things with the culture of the 1960s and 1970s.

I think they envy the Baby Boomer's significance.  They don't "hate" them, I mean they're only a demographic, but they feel left out kind of and are bitter about it, as a group.


Yea that's definitely a big part of it. I think they think the boomers are too powerful.

I think they envy the Baby Boomer's significance.  They don't "hate" them, I mean they're only a demographic, but they feel left out kind of and are bitter about it, as a group.


Well, your typical Baby Boomer (1946-53, and I even think 1943-45ers are on the cusp) is influential in so many ways. They created - and were a part of - the '60s hippie/Woodstock culture. Maybe a 1970-er just wants to feel as significant as that, so I kinda understand.

BTW, on a sidenote, would you consider me to be a X or Y? I think purely datewise, probably a teeny bit more X, certainly more X in pop culture tastes, but more Y with experiences and tech skills. I also graduated HS in 2000 with the typical '82-ers.

Well, your typical Baby Boomer (1946-53, and I even think 1943-45ers are on the cusp) is influential in so many ways. They created - and were a part of - the '60s hippie/Woodstock culture. Maybe a 1970-er just wants to feel as significant as that, so I kinda understand.

BTW, on a sidenote, would you consider me to be a X or Y? I think purely datewise, probably a teeny bit more X, certainly more X in pop culture tastes, but more Y with experiences and tech skills. I also graduated HS in 2000 with the typical '82-ers.


Oh, you're tail-end X.  Definitely.  But like a 1994er could cross into Z, you can cross into Y too.  That is, if you wanted to be, you could be a Y.  1977-1985ers kind of have a choice.

Okay, we'll agree to disagree... :). But we do both agree they're mixed, at least.

Baby boomers can also get very, very protective of their generation. Once, I suggested the boomers ended in 1963 because most 1964 born have more in common with Generation X, and he got pretty defensive, and he's not usually a stickler for that sort of thing.

Generation X had a huge amount of resentment in their teen years towards the people in say, their 30s in the '80s, who the entire world was focused upon. They thought the baby boomers took everything and all the cultural attention, and also experienced the finer side of things with the culture of the 1960s and 1970s.


My dad and mom are baby boomers and they seem to not care at all about generations or nostalgia. My mom born in 1949, a pure boomer, seems to like a lot of '80s songs however, so I don't know lol.

My dad and mom are baby boomers and they seem to not care at all about generations or nostalgia. My mom born in 1949, a pure boomer, seems to like a lot of '80s songs however, so I don't know lol.


Didn't 30-somethings seem old in the eighties?  Today, they just seem like older young adults.  It's the fortysomethings that seem "old".

I've talked to a fair number of Gen Xers about this. One person I talked to, born in 1966, says it was because "they had so much to care about, and we were looking for things to care about in the '80s, and we wanted to change the world." Gen Xers lamented their lack of cultural heroes, they were sad they didn't experience the tumultuous times of the Vietnam War. They also lament not being unified like the baby boomers are, though they're probably still a fairly unified generation with some cultural heroes. I think it's because they feel like they missed the train. Also, boomers basically controlled America beginning in the 1980s, and the Gen Xers saw all these boomers controlling a very corporate world they were too young to be a part of. Gen Xers are envious of missing out on pre-AIDS casual sex and drug use, also, not like they were so great or anything. I think you're probably XYish, more leaning on the X. I'm too young to be XY, but I want to be. So I guess I'm more "anti-Y."

My parents are both pure boomers who liked some '80s music, but they were born in 1955 and were in their mid-late '20s in the early MTV era. Still, I think their awareness of new music froze about the time they got married in 1986, or even earlier.

Oh, you're tail-end X.  Definitely.  But like a 1994er could cross into Z, you can cross into Y too.  That is, if you wanted to be, you could be a Y.  1977-1985ers kind of have a choice.


I really disagree about the 1982-85ers, they don't have a choice, they're y, lol. If you graduated in the '00s, you're gen y.

Oh, you're tail-end X.  Definitely.  But like a 1994er could cross into Z, you can cross into Y too.  That is, if you wanted to be, you could be a Y.  1977-1985ers kind of have a choice.


True. I mean, I could probably enjoy hours on end of a 1970-ers music and movie collection, or their stories from high school. But I'm more apt to disagree with them on mindset or points of view, for instance.

Would you also agree there's a big jump between 1977 and '78? There's just a huge change I've always noticed, judging by those I've known in real life. A 78er is likely to diss the '80s as being "old school" even if they loved it as a 9 year old or a 12 year old.

Beavis & Butthead were '79ers I think, too. Of course this changed as the series did, since they stayed the same age, but they seem like an accurate (well, VERY exaggerated) portrayal of a late '70s baby. They knew a good deal about the '80s, but ragged on those videos too. ;D

I really disagree about the 1982-85ers, they don't have a choice, they're y, lol. If you graduated in the '00s, you're gen y.


That's true.  Maybe 1977-1981 is more the cusp.  Although I think 1982 can just barely fit in.

I really disagree about the 1982-85ers, they don't have a choice, they're y, lol. If you graduated in the '00s, you're gen y.


Yeah, I agree with you. I also agree that there was a late '70s jump from 77 to 78 in terms of being more Y, and '79 is alot more like Y than X in alot of ways. Like they obviously know the '80s, but they weren't '80s people. Bart and Lisa from the Simpsons are pretty accurate portrayals of somebody about your age, Marty McFly...of course, now they should be born in '96 and '98, but they were originally supposed to be '80 and '82.

That's true.  Maybe 1977-1981 is more the cusp.  Although I think 1982 can just barely fit in.


Yea, 1982 is debateable, but they're probably more y.

True. I mean, I could probably enjoy hours on end of a 1970-ers music and movie collection, or their stories from high school. But I'm more apt to disagree with them on mindset or points of view, for instance.

Would you also agree there's a big jump between 1977 and '78? There's just a huge change I've always noticed, judging by those I've known in real life. A 78er is likely to diss the '80s as being "old school" even if they loved it as a 9 year old or a 12 year old.

Beavis & Butthead were '79ers I think, too. Of course this changed as the series did, since they stayed the same age, but they seem like an accurate (well, VERY exaggerated) portrayal of a late '70s baby. They knew a good deal about the '80s, but ragged on those videos too. ;D


Yeah, there's definitely a '77 to '78 difference.  Maybe it's because a '77er would turn 13 in 1990, which like I've said seems to fit in more with 1988 and 1989 than with 1992 and 1993, whereas a '78er would know the '80s plenty well, but would be turning 13 right around the time Grunge killed off the eighties culture.  But, they're not Gen Y.

Do you think the 2010s will be a mix of Y and Z, rather than pure Z, like the '90s were an XY mix? That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah, there's definitely a '77 to '78 difference.  Maybe it's because a '77er would turn 13 in 1990, which like I've said seems to fit in more with 1988 and 1989 than with 1992 and 1993, whereas a '78er would know the '80s plenty well, but would be turning 13 right around the time Grunge killed off the eighties culture.  But, they're not Gen Y.

Do you think the 2010s will be a mix of Y and Z, rather than pure Z, like the '90s were an XY mix? That's what I'm thinking.


Yea probably the early '10s will be more for the young yers, and z will probably take over by the mid '10s.

My parents are both pure boomers who liked some '80s music, but they were born in 1955 and were in their mid-late '20s in the early MTV era. Still, I think their awareness of new music froze about the time they got married in 1986, or even earlier.


It's ironic that alot of the '80s music stars were about this age. Actually many of them were born in the late '40s (i.e. Daryl Hall & John Oates, Journey, Sammy Hagar) and yet their peers in the everyday world are kinda iffy on whether or not they'll be a fan or not.

BTW, my mom is about the same age as yours (1954) and loved alot of 80's music (mainly pop/rock) circa 1985. I think this started with "average" people around 1950. Jay Leno is that age and he always struck me as pretty "hip" for his age. Well, he's an entertainer and a comedian, so he kinda has to stay current, but you get the feeling he knows what he's talking about and likes at least some of the popular culture out there.

Yeah, there's definitely a '77 to '78 difference.  Maybe it's because a '77er would turn 13 in 1990, which like I've said seems to fit in more with 1988 and 1989 than with 1992 and 1993, whereas a '78er would know the '80s plenty well, but would be turning 13 right around the time Grunge killed off the eighties culture.  But, they're not Gen Y.

Do you think the 2010s will be a mix of Y and Z, rather than pure Z, like the '90s were an XY mix? That's what I'm thinking.


I think they'll be a mix of that...it'll be dominated by late Yers who won't be too crazy about the '00s, though, the same way the peak '90s was dominated by Xers who weren't too crazy about the '80s but knw them pretty well.  However, I think Z domination will probably start by 2012, when it's mostly 1994+ in high school...or YZ cusp, or whatever  ;).

It's ironic that alot of the '80s music stars were about this age. Actually many of them were born in the late '40s (i.e. Daryl Hall & John Oates, Journey, Sammy Hagar) and yet their peers in the everyday world are kinda iffy on whether or not they'll be a fan or not.

BTW, my mom is about the same age as yours (1954) and loved alot of 80's music (mainly pop/rock) circa 1985. I think this started with "average" people around 1950. Jay Leno is that age and he always struck me as pretty "hip" for his age. Well, he's an entertainer and a comedian, so he kinda has to stay current, but you get the feeling he knows what he's talking about and likes at least some of the popular culture out there.


Yea that's how my mom is. She likes a lot of early-mid '80s music and she was born in 1949. She even likes current music a lot too, "Stickwitu" was on the radio today, and she's like "I like that song". She likes Usher too.

My mom likes early '80s MTV pop like "Video Killed the Radio Star." Most of what she likes is '60s pop and punk-pop, and those fun pop songs fit in pretty well with the sensibility of that.

It's ironic that alot of the '80s music stars were about this age. Actually many of them were born in the late '40s (i.e. Daryl Hall & John Oates, Journey, Sammy Hagar) and yet their peers in the everyday world are kinda iffy on whether or not they'll be a fan or not.

BTW, my mom is about the same age as yours (1954) and loved alot of 80's music (mainly pop/rock) circa 1985. I think this started with "average" people around 1950. Jay Leno is that age and he always struck me as pretty "hip" for his age. Well, he's an entertainer and a comedian, so he kinda has to stay current, but you get the feeling he knows what he's talking about and likes at least some of the popular culture out there.


Yeah that's weird, isn't it?  I mean, your "'80s person" is like 23-45 age now, but your "'80s celebrity" is like 32-60 now!  That's a lot older!  ;D

Yea that's how my mom is. She likes a lot of early-mid '80s music and she was born in 1949. She even likes current music a lot too, "Stickwitu" was on the radio today, and she's like "I like that song". She likes Usher too.


You know, I was also thinking about this, but do you think women are slightly more accepting/liking of pop culture more than men are? I know I got (slightly) nostalgic by age 12 and felt old by age 19 on many things.

Also, my dad pretty much doesn't like anything at all after the late '80s, whereas my mom still likes some new stuff.

You know, I was also thinking about this, but do you think women are slightly more accepting/liking of pop culture more than men are? I know I got (slightly) nostalgic by age 12 and felt old by age 19 on many things.

Also, my dad pretty much doesn't like anything at all after the late '80s, whereas my mom still likes some new stuff.


Definitely.  Women are more "trendy" than men. 

You know what's funny too?  I've heard older Gen Xers, born in like 1963-1975ish territory say they like some of today's music, or at least tolerate it before.

You know, I was also thinking about this, but do you think women are slightly more accepting/liking of pop culture more than men are? I know I got (slightly) nostalgic by age 12 and felt old by age 19 on many things.

Also, my dad pretty much doesn't like anything at all after the late '80s, whereas my mom still likes some new stuff.


Yea I think so too, my dad really could care less about pop culture. He's too worried about his retirement, bad back, job to care about pop culture. Though he knows a lot of the current music because of me, lol. He knows "Grillz", "My Humps", "Hollaback Girl", lol.

Definitely.  Women are more "trendy" than men. 

You know what's funny too?  I've heard older Gen Xers, born in like 1963-1975ish territory say they like some of today's music, or at least tolerate it before.


They do, my sister born in 1972 is actually very into today's stuff. Her husband though isn't. So that tells you a lot there.

They do, my sister born in 1972 is actually very into today's stuff. Her husband though isn't. So that tells you a lot there.


You know why?

Because I think a "cultural" generation is actually a half of a biological one.  In a way, Gen X and Y are one biological gen, and the Silents and Boomers are also a one-ness.

Yeah, my dad honestly could've cared less about music since the 1960s, while my mom was keeping up ith new music slightly and watching MTV through the late '90s. Some Gen Xers have definitely gotten into the new "indie rock" or "indie emo" stuff like The Decembrists, since their original scene is so over, the Pixies/Liz Phair/Nirvana scene.

Donnie, you hit it right on the head!

They do, my sister born in 1972 is actually very into today's stuff. Her husband though isn't. So that tells you a lot there.


You know how, if you're wearing a horribly out of date outfit, you're much more likely to have a female friend tell you, "Like, ohmigod, that's so five years ago!" than a guy. ;D

I think that same sense of "current-ness" stays with them, so they're more willing to change with the times. Possibly (and I admit, this is really stretching it) it has to do with more women pay attention/care about their "look" than guys do. Part of music is fashion-oriented, so that makes sense.

Of course it all depends on the person, though.

You know how, if you're wearing a horribly out of date outfit, you're much more likely to have a female friend tell you, "Like, ohmigod, that's so five years ago!" than a guy. ;D

I think that same sense of "current-ness" stays with them, so they're more willing to change with the times. Possibly (and I admit, this is really stretching it) it has to do with more women pay attention/care about their "look" than guys do. Part of music is fashion-oriented, so that makes sense.

Of course it all depends on the person, though.


My sister is very hip, always likes nice expensive clothes, she likes to party. She listens to the top 40 station, while her husband listens to rock of course. And she loves reality tv, that's like all she watches.

You know how, if you're wearing a horribly out of date outfit, you're much more likely to have a female friend tell you, "Like, ohmigod, that's so five years ago!" than a guy. ;D

I think that same sense of "current-ness" stays with them, so they're more willing to change with the times. Possibly (and I admit, this is really stretching it) it has to do with more women pay attention/care about their "look" than guys do. Part of music is fashion-oriented, so that makes sense.

Of course it all depends on the person, though.


I think so too.  Not to sound sexist, but women tend to care about their "image" more than men, both of their body and personality.  But, as the sexes become more and more alike this is changing.

I think so too.  Not to sound sexist, but women tend to care about their "image" more than men, both of their body and personality.  But, as the sexes become more and more alike this is changing.


This is true...but the media would like you to believe metrosexuality is more common than it actually is. It's mostly confined to urban areas...and men over 30 in NY/NJ have always cared about their image, if in weird, perverse ways  ;).

I've been retro for the 90's for about a year now and I miss the 90's so much. I've even created a movie triology about the 90's based on Back to the Future. My friend from 2004 is sent 10 years into the past to the year 1994. If anyone wants to read the scripts, let me know.

I've been retro for the 90's for about a year now and I miss the 90's so much. I've even created a movie triology about the 90's based on Back to the Future. My friend from 2004 is sent 10 years into the past to the year 1994. If anyone wants to read the scripts, let me know.


Sure!  I'd love to!

Yeah ... 9/11 kind of set the mood.  2002, for instance, in some ways feel closer to 2006 than to spring of 2001.

As for 1994/95ers, maybe there's kind of a gap in the very middle of the '90s. 1994ers seem quite Y to me, but 1995 I'm not totally sure of.  They probably are Y too, since like Brian said they will be able to remember now just fine, but they will definitely share things in common with Z considerably more than even a '92er or '93er would.

Because really, a 1992er is just like a younger version of a 1987 baby in many ways.


I am of the opinion the "core" of Generation Y are those born 1985-1995. I think that those born 1980-1984 are technically Y, but they still have some X in them. Its a cusp. Those born 1996-1997 I'd consider to be the cusp between Y and Z. I'd say that those born in 1998 or later are definitely Z, because they aren't really able to remember when 9/11 happened. I'd say that if you were 4 or 5, you most likely remember it. And if you were 6 or older you definitely remember it. So I'd say anyone who was 6 or older at the time is a true Gen Yer. 9/11 is what I consider the "generation-defining event" for us.

To be more clear though, I'd say if you were 6 up through 16 years old when 9/11 happened, you are true Y. If you were 17-21, you're on the cusp between Y and X. If you were 4 or 5 you are on the cusp between Y and Z.

I am of the opinion the "core" of Generation Y are those born 1985-1995. I think that those born 1980-1984 are technically Y, but they still have some X in them. Its a cusp. Those born 1996-1997 I'd consider to be the cusp between Y and Z. I'd say that those born in 1998 or later are definitely Z, because they aren't really able to remember when 9/11 happened. I'd say that if you were 4 or 5, you most likely remember it. And if you were 6 or older you definitely remember it. So I'd say anyone who was 6 or older at the time is a true Gen Yer. 9/11 is what I consider the "generation-defining event" for us.


That makes sense.

So would you say the most typical, Emo kid/Myspacer is a 1990 or 1991er, or would you say late eighties is slightly more significant?

I think 1985-mid 1989 and late 1989-1992 are equally Y, but in slightly different ways.  The ones most into the culture are the late eighties ones, whereas the early nineties Yers have similar taste, but tend to have a higher population of "anti-Yers".  But, being anti-Y is in a way a very Gen Y sort of thing.

I am of the opinion the "core" of Generation Y are those born 1985-1995. I think that those born 1980-1984 are technically Y, but they still have some X in them. Its a cusp. Those born 1996-1997 I'd consider to be the cusp between Y and Z. I'd say that those born in 1998 or later are definitely Z, because they aren't really able to remember when 9/11 happened. I'd say that if you were 4 or 5, you most likely remember it. And if you were 6 or older you definitely remember it. So I'd say anyone who was 6 or older at the time is a true Gen Yer. 9/11 is what I consider the "generation-defining event" for us.


That's pretty accurate, I'd agree that 1998 and later is definitely gen z. I think most 1997ers will be able to barely remember 9/11 since it was such a huge event even at 4 years old they should have some memory.

I think that the late '80s group is probably the most significant. But, remember, about remembering events-lots of Generation Xers remembered the moon landing, but they're still not baby boomers. Somebody born in 1995 wouldn't be able to experience it with as much of the cultural significance as somebody born even in 1993. They would just remember it as a bad day, maybe. IMO, 1994+ is still more Gen Z than anything.

That makes sense.

So would you say the most typical, Emo kid/Myspacer is a 1990 or 1991er, or would you say late eighties is slightly more significant?

I think 1985-mid 1989 and late 1989-1992 are equally Y, but in slightly different ways.  The ones most into the culture are the late eighties ones, whereas the early nineties Yers have similar taste, but tend to have a higher population of "anti-Yers".  But, being anti-Y is in a way a very Gen Y sort of thing.


I'd say the "most Y" part are those born 1987-1992. If you are old enough to remember when the Monica Lewinksy scandal was going on, but young enough to not really remember the Gulf War, then you you're pure Echo boomer, baby lol

Most y in my opinion is around 1985-1990.

Most y in my opinion is around 1985-1990.


Yeah, I agree with that. 1991-1993 are a bit more anti-Y, by and large.

I think that the late '80s group is probably the most significant. But, remember, about remembering events-lots of Generation Xers remembered the moon landing, but they're still not baby boomers. Somebody born in 1995 wouldn't be able to experience it with as much of the cultural significance as somebody born even in 1993. They would just remember it as a bad day, maybe. IMO, 1994+ is still more Gen Z than anything.


Not too many gen xers would remember the 1969 moon landing considering the first gen x year is 1965. The boomer years are pretty much 1946-1964 everywhere I've seen.

Not too many gen xers would remember the 1969 moon landing considering the first gen x year is 1965. The boomer years are pretty much 1946-1964 everywhere I've seen.


There is a growing consensus towards 1964 being the first year culturally. A Gen Xer remembering the moon landing is like a '96er or '95er's remembrance of 9/11...it isn't exactly a major part of their existence, even if they remember it.