By this I'm referring to late 1999-mid 2001.

'90s Things:

Alien Ant Farm
Blink-182
Country Pop (Dixie Chicks, Shania Twain, Faith Hill)
Crazy Town
Creed and Other Grunge-Pop
Dido
Incubus
Lenny Kravitz
Matchbox Twenty
Moby
Nu Metal
Teen Pop
Rage Against the Machine
Savage Garden
Train
Travis and Oasis

'00s Things:

Alicia Keys
Badly Drawn Boy
Bright Colors
Coldplay
Glam Rap (Nelly, Eminem)
Gorillaz
Reality TV
The Strokes

Both:

Goth
Nu Metal

I'd say it's both, a combination of a new zeitgeist and the beginnings of new pop culture with a faltering '90s zeitgeist and pop culture.

1999 and 2000 were more '90s. 2001 is like both.

1999 and 2000 were more '90s. 2001 is like both.


I'd agree.  1999 and 2000 are similar to the early '00s, but now that we're in 2006 they seem '90s.

I'd agree.  1999 and 2000 are similar to the early '00s, but now that we're in 2006 they seem '90s.


Yea I think they have more in common with the '90s then the peak mid '00s.

Yea I think they have more in common with the '90s then the peak mid '00s.


I do think 1999 and 2000 started a lot of '00s trends, and thus are more or less the same era as say 2003, but from a 2006 viewpoint 1999, 2000, and even '01 a little seem a little dated.  For instance, the movies from c. 2000 tend to feel less life-like, it that makes any sense.

I do think 1999 and 2000 started a lot of '00s trends, and thus are more or less the same era as say 2003, but from a 2006 viewpoint 1999, 2000, and even '01 a little seem a little dated.  For instance, the movies from c. 2000 tend to feel less life-like, it that makes any sense.


Yea I agree, 2000 is starting to feel a little dated unbelieveablly, lol.

Yea I agree, 2000 is starting to feel a little dated unbelieveablly, lol.


Yeah it's kind of odd for a year that's (sort of) in the 21st Century to seem old from a current standpoint, but when I see a 2000 movie for instance it seems a little older than a modern movie.  The differences between like 1995-2001 and now are very subtle, but they're definitely there.

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing about 1999-2000. I think by 2005, 1999 and 2000 started to really look dated, with the highly different zeitgeist and all.

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing about 1999-2000. I think by 2005, 1999 and 2000 started to really look dated, with the highly different zeitgeist and all.


Yeah I agree. Maybe late 2004, around then things started turning away from the late '90s (although now they seem to be steering back a little).

Yeah I agree. Maybe late 2004, around then things started turning away from the late '90s (although now they seem to be steering back a little).


Why do you think it's steering back towards the late '90s increasingly? I think part of it is the sort of culmination of our "current pop cultural moment" and our return to the comfort of Mariah.

Why do you think it's steering back towards the late '90s increasingly? I think part of it is the sort of culmination of our "current pop cultural moment" and our return to the comfort of Mariah.


Yeah, probably.  I think it's highly likely that once the current zeitgeist leaves the nineties will basically come back, although I'd rather if the tens were not a third '90s-like decade.  El Duderino even said Beavis and Butt-head might come back after King of the Hill ends (although it's only a rumor).

Yeah, probably.  I think it's highly likely that once the current zeitgeist leaves the nineties will basically come back, although I'd rather if the tens were not a third '90s-like decade.  El Duderino even said Beavis and Butt-head might come back after King of the Hill ends (although it's only a rumor).


I think it'll more be the 1989-1997 period that comes back, though, and if it comes back, it'll come back bigtime. Otherwise, it'll be a totally new decade with a heavy 1989-1997 ethos/zeitgeist and influence.

I think it'll more be the 1989-1997 period that comes back, though, and if it comes back, it'll come back bigtime. Otherwise, it'll be a totally new decade with a heavy 1989-1997 ethos/zeitgeist and influence.


Yeah, I hope it's something totally new, but I kind of doubt it.  There were three '20s-like decades, the '20s, '30s, and '40s, the '50s were a long period from 1946 to 1963ish, the '60s were the inspiration for the '70s and to quite a lesser extent the '80s, the '90s grew out of certain aspects of the '80s and hugely influence the zeroes and will probably have the same genres as the '10s (i.e. hip hop, teen pop, adult, and alternative) but will generally be like a world apart.

Yeah, I hope it's something totally new, but I kind of doubt it.  There were three '20s-like decades, the '20s, '30s, and '40s, the '50s were a long period from 1946 to 1963ish, the '60s were the inspiration for the '70s and to quite a lesser extent the '80s, the '90s grew out of certain aspects of the '80s and hugely influence the zeroes and will probably have the same genres as the '10s (i.e. hip hop, teen pop, adult, and alternative) but will generally be like a world apart.


I think one thing that can be guaranteed about the '10s is that it won't be anything like the '00s pop culturally.

On the subject of the 1999-2001 being more 90's or 00's, I think they're their own little unique epoch.  It is of my opinion that there are no defining trends that last a whole decade.  As such, I've come to believe each decade can be broken down into nice little epochs, which describe the current culture of the time.  Here is an example:

1998-9/10/2001 - Millenial Transition Epoch
9/11/2001-2003 - Early 00's Epoch
2004-2005 (and most likely 2006) - Mid 00's Epoch

I think every decade can be broken down into similar epochs, such as the Disco Epoch of the late 70's, the New Wave Epoch of the early 80's, etc.  Speaking of which, anyone notice that the 90's and 00's didn't really begin at the beginning of a particular year?  The 90's began in late 1991, the 00's in late 2001.  Does this mean the 2010's will begin in late 2011?

On the subject of the 1999-2001 being more 90's or 00's, I think they're their own little unique epoch.  It is of my opinion that there are defining rends that last a whole decade.  As such, I've come to believe each decade can be broken down into nice little epochs, which describe the current culture of the time.  Here is an example:

1998-9/10/2001 - Millenial Transition Epoch
9/11/2001-2003 - Early 00's Epoch
2004-2005 (and most likely 2006) - Mid 00's Epoch

I think every decade can be broken down into similar epochs, such as the Disco Epoch of the late 70's, the New Wave Epoch of the early 80's, etc.  Speaking of which, anyone notice that the 90's and 00's didn't really begin at the beginning of a particular year?  The 90's began in late 1991, the 00's in late 2001.  Does this mean the 2010's will begin in late 2011?


You're right about this...I think the 2010s will begin in late 2011, like my senior year of college, but there'll be signs of the '10s from like '09 on.

Epochs:

1976-mid 1979: The Disco Era
late 1979-early/mid 1982: The New Wave Era
Mid/late 1982-1986: The Thriller/Material Girl Era (Peak '80s)
1987-mid 1989: The Late '80s/Hair Metal Era
late 1989-mid 1991: The Pre-'90s/Post-'80s (Vanilla Ice Era)
late 1991-early 1997: The Nevermind/California Love Era (Peak '90s)
mid/late 1997-mid 1999: The South Park/Alanis Morisette/Teen Pop Era
late 1999-mid 2001: The Post '90s
late 2001-mid 2003: The Early '00s
late 2003-2006: Da '00s/Peak '00s
Predictions:
2007-mid 2009: The Late '00s
late 2009-mid 2011: The Pre-'10s

Yeah, I hope it's something totally new, but I kind of doubt it.  There were three '20s-like decades, the '20s, '30s, and '40s, the '50s were a long period from 1946 to 1963ish, the '60s were the inspiration for the '70s and to quite a lesser extent the '80s, the '90s grew out of certain aspects of the '80s and hugely influence the zeroes and will probably have the same genres as the '10s (i.e. hip hop, teen pop, adult, and alternative) but will generally be like a world apart.


That's true. I think it's safe to say by the time WWI ended, all traces of the Wild West/pre-electricity/industrial era were long gone. The '20s and '30s are almost like the same era (e.g. 1918-1940). Although the '20s were more wild and swinging, and the '30s had the depression. WW II was kind of its own era, 1941-45.

I agree about the '50s/60s both being highly influential, as well as the '90s (with the '80s kind of being their own era). If you really want to stretch it, I'd agree the "50s" were 1946-63, even if rock and teen rebellion didn't get popular until 1954ish. The "60s" feel was also pretty strong until 1976, even if the "hippie" era ended around 1971.

That would stand to reason the '10s would be the next "influential" decade to define the ones following it, to some extent. At latest, the 2020's will be. If the '10s are '90s like, it won't be 1999ish - people will almost definitely get sick of that. Heck, even this board is a good indication of how many of those that love the 1990-96 era. :)

That's true. I think it's safe to say by the time WWI ended, all traces of the Wild West/pre-electricity/industrial era were long gone. The '20s and '30s are almost like the same era (e.g. 1918-1940). Although the '20s were more wild and swinging, and the '30s had the depression. WW II was kind of its own era, 1941-45.

I agree about the '50s/60s both being highly influential, as well as the '90s (with the '80s kind of being their own era). If you really want to stretch it, I'd agree the "50s" were 1946-63, even if rock and teen rebellion didn't get popular until 1954ish. The "60s" feel was also pretty strong until 1976, even if the "hippie" era ended around 1971.

That would stand to reason the '10s would be the next "influential" decade to define the ones following it, to some extent. At latest, the 2020's will be. If the '10s are '90s like, it won't be 1999ish - people will almost definitely get sick of that. Heck, even this board is a good indication of how many of those that love the 1990-96 era. :)


I'm pretty sure the '10s will be sort of 1989-1996ish, in alot of ways. The '50s feel didn't really start until McCarthy, like 1951 or 1952, the late '40s were sort of their own era, with Rita Hayworth, film noir, swing, and Christian Dior's "New Look"...my grandmother still sort of dresses like its the mid-late '40s. The '80s were their own era in alot of ways, but they are the start pop culturally of what we're in now, or maybe the late '70s were. I think the 2010s and 2020s will both be sort of influential decades, in alot of ways, but I think it might be the 2020s that's moreso and more individualistic in some ways, even. But I still hold to my belief that the 2010s will have alot of 1989-1996 "grungy" ethos to them, and adapt alot of things from that period.

That's true. I think it's safe to say by the time WWI ended, all traces of the Wild West/pre-electricity/industrial era were long gone. The '20s and '30s are almost like the same era (e.g. 1918-1940). Although the '20s were more wild and swinging, and the '30s had the depression. WW II was kind of its own era, 1941-45.

I agree about the '50s/60s both being highly influential, as well as the '90s (with the '80s kind of being their own era). If you really want to stretch it, I'd agree the "50s" were 1946-63, even if rock and teen rebellion didn't get popular until 1954ish. The "60s" feel was also pretty strong until 1976, even if the "hippie" era ended around 1971.

That would stand to reason the '10s would be the next "influential" decade to define the ones following it, to some extent. At latest, the 2020's will be. If the '10s are '90s like, it won't be 1999ish - people will almost definitely get sick of that. Heck, even this board is a good indication of how many of those that love the 1990-96 era. :)


Actually, in a lot of ways the mid '00s have copied the mid '90s more than the late '90s, for instance the rise of adult contemporary, return of indie rock, cut-down on TV violence, etc.  I think either the tens or twenties will be influential, perhaps the tens will be an era unto themselves like the eighties, because those Gen Zers (IMO, people born at from 1995 at earliest to the present) seem way different than the Gen Xers and Yers of the 1965-1994 period.

I think the tens will probably be largely influenced by the 1987-1996 decade, but I think Gen Z will almost certainly do away with the cheesy late '90s and '00s Gen Y cultures.

Actually, in a lot of ways the mid '00s have copied the mid '90s more than the late '90s, for instance the rise of adult contemporary, return of indie rock, cut-down on TV violence, etc.  I think either the tens or twenties will be influential, perhaps the tens will be an era unto themselves like the eighties, because those Gen Zers (IMO, people born at from 1995 at earliest to the present) seem way different than the Gen Xers and Yers of the 1965-1994 period.

I think the tens will probably be largely influenced by the 1987-1996 decade, but I think Gen Z will almost certainly do away with the cheesy late '90s and '00s Gen Y cultures.


Yeah, I agree with this, there will definitely be alot of late '80s (particularly underground late '80s) influence on the Gen Z 2010s.

Actually, in a lot of ways the mid '00s have copied the mid '90s more than the late '90s, for instance the rise of adult contemporary, return of indie rock, cut-down on TV violence, etc.  I think either the tens or twenties will be influential, perhaps the tens will be an era unto themselves like the eighties, because those Gen Zers (IMO, people born at from 1995 at earliest to the present) seem way different than the Gen Xers and Yers of the 1965-1994 period.

I think the tens will probably be largely influenced by the 1987-1996 decade, but I think Gen Z will almost certainly do away with the cheesy late '90s and '00s Gen Y cultures.


True. In some ways 2006 is almost like how 1994 or '95 would've been if they hadn't been interrupted by the 1997-2001 era (with newer technology, of course). Mariah Carey's comeback makes it seem that way, too.

You might know a little better than me since most of my "everyday" friends are only up to 1986 or 87ers right now (although I'm cool with almost everyone :) ), but in my experience, most average early '90s born folks are like younger '88ers in the Gen Y sense. At times, maybe a bit more liking of classic rock and older TV shows, but with similar technology and influences as a modern 17 or 18 year old.

Do you know any, say 1996er kids personally (even if you do, you probably don't hang around them daily or anything)? From what I can detect, just from the kids/younger siblings of people I know, I'll agree there is a change around 1995. Even the 1993ers seem more old-school, whereas a 1995/96er is like a little kid to me. Not just agewise, but reference points and such. They might not know what it was like before the Internet, etc.

True. In some ways 2006 is almost like how 1994 or '95 would've been if they hadn't been interrupted by the 1997-2001 era (with newer technology, of course). Mariah Carey's comeback makes it seem that way, too.

You might know a little better than me since most of my "everyday" friends are only up to 1986 or 87ers right now (although I'm cool with almost everyone :) ), but in my experience, most average early '90s born folks are like younger '88ers in the Gen Y sense. At times, maybe a bit more liking of classic rock and older TV shows, but with similar technology and influences as a modern 17 or 18 year old.

Do you know any, say 1996er kids personally (even if you do, you probably don't hang around them daily or anything)? From what I can detect, just from the kids/younger siblings of people I know, I'll agree there is a change around 1995. Even the 1993ers seem more old-school, whereas a 1995/96er is like a little kid to me. Not just agewise, but reference points and such. They might not know what it was like before the Internet, etc.


Yeah, it seems like there's a shift around 1995 in being of the "same group"...but I don't want to get onto that debate tonight. I think there's definitely more curiosity about the '90s and openly liking Nirvana and Phish among people born in say 1992, from what I can see.

True. In some ways 2006 is almost like how 1994 or '95 would've been if they hadn't been interrupted by the 1997-2001 era (with newer technology, of course). Mariah Carey's comeback makes it seem that way, too.

You might know a little better than me since most of my "everyday" friends are only up to 1986 or 87ers right now (although I'm cool with almost everyone :) ), but in my experience, most average early '90s born folks are like younger '88ers in the Gen Y sense. At times, maybe a bit more liking of classic rock and older TV shows, but with similar technology and influences as a modern 17 or 18 year old.

Do you know any, say 1996er kids personally (even if you do, you probably don't hang around them daily or anything)? From what I can detect, just from the kids/younger siblings of people I know, I'll agree there is a change around 1995. Even the 1993ers seem more old-school, whereas a 1995/96er is like a little kid to me. Not just agewise, but reference points and such. They might not know what it was like before the Internet, etc.


1996ers? No, not really, but my little sister was born in 1994 and although she probably can't remember pre-Internet times she's aware of the current culture and seems to remember the late '90s, so really seems more like the end of Gen Y than the beginning of Z.  1995-2001 is probably a transitional between Gen Y and Gen Z, they wouldn't have the "Nintendo/Nickelodeon" years even a 1992er would but they would at least remember the '00s well enough and be old enough to get a hand of some of the current culture.

I keep thinking babies born in 1996 are still babies or toddlers. Shows how out of touch I am.

I keep thinking babies born in 1996 are still babies or toddlers. Shows how out of touch I am.


Yeah, those born after 1994 seem like babies to me, even though I'm only 5-16 years older than them.

I was actually thinking about how many pre-1997 things I can think of that are adult or at least teen pop culture, and I can remember a fair amount, surprisingly enough, actually. IMO, though to be a Gen Yer you should remember stuff from the late '90s, to be a pure peak Gen Yer from like 1984-1990 you should remember a fair amount of at least mid-90s stuff.

Things I can remember: Macarena, Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Home Improvement, Saved by the Bell, Jurassic Park, Duckman, backwards baseball caps and flannel, lots of Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Boyz II Men songs (even some neo-hip hop and techno stuff my babysitter played), early-mid '90s hip-hop fashion. There's alot more I have written down I'll add, probably.

I think the rise of A/C in 2005 is similar to 1995 because of the maturation of the alt rock genres of the respecive decades. As alt rock matured in the mid-'90s, it became more mainstream and saturated adult contemporary, similar to what is happening with indie/emo rock this decade, and the rise of James Blunt et. al.

mid/late 1997-mid 1999: The South Park/Alanis Morisette/Teen Pop Era


Excellent way to break things down, although I have one really minor quibble that I hope you'll forgive me for stressing: Alanis Morissette was huge in the mid-'90s and shouldn't really be lumped in with the late-'90s teen pop era.  Jagged Little Pill came out in 1995 and was one of the biggest mega-sellers of the entire decade, but by 1999 the idea of an album like that, or someone like Alanis, being a huge mainstream success already seemed nearly impossible. Britney Spears had conquered the world by then.

Excellent way to break things down, although I have one really minor quibble that I hope you'll forgive me for stressing: Alanis Morissette was huge in the mid-'90s and shouldn't really be lumped in with the late-'90s teen pop era.  Jagged Little Pill came out in 1995 and was one of the biggest mega-sellers of the entire decade, but by 1999 the idea of an album like that, or someone like Alanis, being a huge mainstream success already seemed nearly impossible. Britney Spears had conquered the world by then.


I think maybe the Offspring/Sublime era is a good way to categorize that period's rock music. I suppose you could probably subdivide the peak "'90s" into the late '91-94 "intensely" '90s period that was more severely grungy, and the '95-early '97 period that was still in every way the '90s, but a bit less intense.

Another change: I'd put mid '97 as more "mid '90s". Earlier '97, before September maybe, except for the Spice Girls and Hanson, was still pretty mid-90s in alot of ways, with The Simpsons still being funny and South Park nonexistent.

Another change: I'd put mid '97 as more "mid '90s". Earlier '97, before September maybe, except for the Spice Girls and Hanson, was still pretty mid-90s in alot of ways, with The Simpsons still being funny and South Park nonexistent.


Yeah, I'd say late '90s begins with the debut of "South Park".  The mid '90s culture vanished completely by fall of 1999 (well, it shrunk to its current existence now anyway)

Yeah, I'd say late '90s begins with the debut of "South Park".  The mid '90s culture vanished completely by fall of 1999 (well, it shrunk to its current existence now anyway)


When South Park debuted, The Simpsons, that symbol of all that is true '90s, almost automatically went down the tubes with its 9th season...not that their 9th and 10th wasn't better than say the 11th, 12th, and 13th. I have to disagree that mid '90s culture totally vanished in 1999, plenty of people were still listening to "mid-'90s" like artists, dressing like it was the mid-'90s, etc. and they were still arguably pretty in style until even slightly after 9/11, in some cases.

When South Park debuted, The Simpsons, that symbol of all that is true '90s, almost automatically went down the tubes with its 9th season...not that their 9th and 10th wasn't better than say the 11th, 12th, and 13th. I have to disagree that mid '90s culture totally vanished in 1999, plenty of people were still listening to "mid-'90s" like artists, dressing like it was the mid-'90s, etc. and they were still arguably pretty in style until even slightly after 9/11, in some cases.


Well, I think the mid '90s culture reached its current level around late 1999.  Once Spongebob was on the air, and Eminem was huge there was no old school left.

Well, I think the mid '90s culture reached its current level around late 1999.  Once Spongebob was on the air, and Eminem was huge there was no old school left.


I agree with you that it reached its actual state of being what was currently happening in late 1999, to very low, but that the opinion of and recognition/enjoyment of the mid-'90s was still pretty high until early 2002. Like plenty of people still listened to the Stone Temple Pilots.

I agree with you that it reached its actual state of being what was currently happening in late 1999, to very low, but that the opinion of and recognition/enjoyment of the mid-'90s was still pretty high until early 2002. Like plenty of people still listened to the Stone Temple Pilots.


Yeah, that's true.

Actually, the entire nu metal trend I would call a 1990s holdover.

Yeah, that's true.

Actually, the entire nu metal trend I would call a 1990s holdover.


Yeah, the popularity of nu metal from 2000-2002 and even into 2003 is pretty 1998ish, IMO. The Deftones, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Mudvayne, Godhead/Godsmack, and even other more vaguely nu metal stuff and Audioslave-esque rock is pretty '90s, even if it was still extremely popular in 2001. Late 2001-early 2002 saw the debut of the new wave of rock, and lots of people finally gave up on Pearl Jam and the Smashing Pumpkins and the Red Hot Chili Peppers by the middle or end of 2002.

On the subject of the 1999-2001 being more 90's or 00's, I think they're their own little unique epoch.  It is of my opinion that there are no defining trends that last a whole decade.  As such, I've come to believe each decade can be broken down into nice little epochs, which describe the current culture of the time.  Here is an example:

1998-9/10/2001 - Millenial Transition Epoch
9/11/2001-2003 - Early 00's Epoch
2004-2005 (and most likely 2006) - Mid 00's Epoch

I think every decade can be broken down into similar epochs, such as the Disco Epoch of the late 70's, the New Wave Epoch of the early 80's, etc.  Speaking of which, anyone notice that the 90's and 00's didn't really begin at the beginning of a particular year?  The 90's began in late 1991, the 00's in late 2001.  Does this mean the 2010's will begin in late 2011?


I'm thinking 2011ish for sure.  I think a decade takes about 1 1/2 years to really become distinct from the previous decade, which explains why 1990 and early 1991 is '80s-like and 2000 and early '01 is '90s-like.

I'm thinking 2011ish for sure.  I think a decade takes about 1 1/2 years to really become distinct from the previous decade, which explains why 1990 and early 1991 is '80s-like and 2000 and early '01 is '90s-like.


Yeah. When do you think the '80s became distinct from the '70s, late 1981-early 1982? I think 1979 was the real death of everything old school '70s from say 1973 in alot of ways, and most of the final '60s holdovers.

Yeah. When do you think the '80s became distinct from the '70s, late 1981-early 1982? I think 1979 was the real death of everything old school '70s from say 1973 in alot of ways, and most of the final '60s holdovers.


Yeah, late 1981.  1981 seems more both '70s and '80s, but the '80s part of 1981 is very very '80s.

Yeah, late 1981.  1981 seems more both '70s and '80s, but the '80s part of 1981 is very very '80s.


Yeah, like Boy George and Prince's stuff from that period was very '80s. I think it's similar to 2001 and 1991 in that they had stuff from both decades, but the stuff from the numerical decade is very much of that decade. The '80s didn't fully get started until like 1983, though.

1999 and 2000 were more '90s. 2001 is like both.



1999-Mid 2001 still had a late 90's vibe to it. After 9/11 the late 90's vibe died down and by the end of '01 things stated to feel more 00's even though the 00's vibe didnt hit it's peak until 2004.

1999-Mid 2001 still had a late 90's vibe to it. After 9/11 the late 90's vibe died down and by the end of '01 things stated to feel more 00's even though the 00's vibe didnt hit it's peak until 2004.


I actually think the earliest traces of '00s vibe can be traced back to the summer/fall of 2000, even though I think it's more '90s.  "The Real Slim Shady" and the Bush/Gore election smacked of '00s to me, but I still think 2002 was the first year that was truly zeroes.

I actually think the earliest traces of '00s vibe can be traced back to the summer/fall of 2000, even though I think it's more '90s.  "The Real Slim Shady" and the Bush/Gore election smacked of '00s to me, but I still think 2002 was the first year that was truly zeroes.



No doubt that 2000 had a slight 00's vibe to it. But I still think its more late-90's.

No doubt that 2000 had a slight 00's vibe to it. But I still think its more late-90's.


Without a doubt.  We still had Clinton, and could cross the border without getting rape-checked.

Oh, so this is another one of your stupid threads, is it?

Please make them stop. ::)

Oh, so this is another one of your stupid threads, is it?

Please make them stop. ::)


Hiya Ellipsis.

Hiya Ellipsis.

I am not the "..." guy. I do not know him, nor have I even met him. In fact, I just found this place about a month ago.

Sorry, you just sounded so much like him (it? her?)  ;)

Oh, so this is another one of your stupid threads, is it?

Please make them stop. ::)



No way threads like this will never die! ;D

No way threads like this will never die! ;D


Ditto!  ;D

Without a doubt.  We still had Clinton, and could cross the border without getting rape-checked.



Yeah, Clinton being in office really made 2000 had a very 90's feel. Also as you said 2000 and most of 2001 still had relaxed security at airports,the border,etc.

Yeah, Clinton being in office really made 2000 had a very 90's feel. Also as you said 2000 and most of 2001 still had relaxed security at airports,the border,etc.


Even Eminem and Britney seemed very '90s from the present perspective then, since nobody had any idea they'd hang around past the mid-decade point.

Sorry, you just sounded so much like him (it? her?)  ;)

Hi, Ellipsis here. I am male. The entity above you ("baa") was right about my gender. I guess he/she/it was as fed up with these inane threads as I was.

Just to recap, I am male.

No way threads like this will never die! ;D


Ditto!  ;D

Well I think you're just too obsessed with thinking that years of a certain decaide are really part of the previous one. That's factually and mathematically untrue. So GET OVER IT!

Well I think you're just too obsessed with thinking that years of a certain decaide are really part of the previous one. That's factually and mathematically untrue. So GET OVER IT!


DITTO! :D ;D :D ;D

I think of Eminem as like an early '00s, 2001-2003 thing...I always thought of that as the peak of his popularity. He isn't as much of a 2004 thing like say Nelly or 50 Cent. I STILL think Britney Spears is a '90s holdover, she hasn't done anything since 2001 anyway worth mentioning, she's just famous for the sake of it, ultimately. She'll probably disappear after this year except as third-rate tabloid fodder.

Well I think you're just too obsessed with thinking that years of a certain decaide are really part of the previous one. That's factually and mathematically untrue. So GET OVER IT!



True, but its not CULTURALLY untrue. And i'm not obsessed about it. It's just something I speculate about in my spare time. And dont you people ever get tired of critizing others for it? Just get a life.

Lots of acrimony in this thread.


Word to the wise:  If you don't like a thread, don't post in it.  :)

Lots of acrimony in this thread.


Word to the wise:  If you don't like a thread, don't post in it.   :)



Exactly. I only post in the threads that intrests me. The ones that dont really catch my attention that much I dont post in. It's utterly ridiculous IMO for people to post in threads that they dont care about just to critisise the people that post in them. If you think that the topic in "inane" then just dont post, in fact dont even look at it.

Lots of acrimony in this thread.


Word to the wise:  If you don't like a thread, don't post in it.   :)


Absolutely.  I mean who cares?  Some people do like talking about it, even in we beat it to death.  You're not required to answer.

Yeah. When do you think the '80s became distinct from the '70s, late 1981-early 1982? I think 1979 was the real death of everything old school '70s from say 1973 in alot of ways, and most of the final '60s holdovers.


I think the "Disco era" even had two little mini eras unto itself. '76 and '77 are undeniably more "70s" whereas 1979 (and in a way 1978 too, though I'm not totally sure I want to call it '80s) had a "70s looking forward to the '80s" vibe to it.

There were very very primitive VCR's, Atari games and arena rock/synthesizers. Although I wonder if at the time, The Cars and Foreigner were looked at as "so '70s", even though songs like "Just What I Needed" was sort of the groundwork for new wave? That's much like how I figured 1999 stuff would date quickly as be viewed as tail end "so 90s", when it ended up actually being the benchwork for trends of the 2000's. ;)

Anyway, I'd say that second half of the Disco era was 100% gone by the second half of 1981. Even though it didn't start catching on for a year, and didn't explode for a year or two after that (with Thriller, etc), I would say the launch of MTV in August sort of killed off the late 70ish feel. Although, there were late 70-styled movies and songs up as far as mid 1983 or so.

I think the "Disco era" even had two little mini eras unto itself. '76 and '77 are undeniably more "70s" whereas 1979 (and in a way 1978 too, though I'm not totally sure I want to call it '80s) had a "70s looking forward to the '80s" vibe to it.

There were very very primitive VCR's, Atari games and arena rock/synthesizers. Although I wonder if at the time, The Cars and Foreigner were looked at as "so '70s", even though songs like "Just What I Needed" was sort of the groundwork for new wave? That's much like how I figured 1999 stuff would date quickly as be viewed as tail end "so 90s", when it ended up actually being the benchwork for trends of the 2000's. ;)

Anyway, I'd say that second half of the Disco era was 100% gone by the second half of 1981. Even though it didn't start catching on for a year, and didn't explode for a year or two after that (with Thriller, etc), I would say the launch of MTV in August sort of killed off the late 70ish feel. Although, there were late 70-styled movies and songs up as far as mid 1983 or so.


Also, the disco that was popular in the first half of 1979 before disco fell through was considered a new type of disco, more pared-down without the indulgent string instruments of the Bee-Gees and Saturday Night Fever. Donna Summer's "Bad Girls" and "Hot Stuff" hit singles emphasize rock instrumentation, are stronger, shorter and more powerful, and in some ways look forward to the '80s. Chic's "Le Freak" and "Good Times", Amii Stewart's "Knock on Wood", Anita Ward's "Ring My Bell", and Blondie's "Heart of Glass" emphasize synthesizers above string instruments and more rock-ish senses of directness. However, like in 1989 and 1999 there was a good deal of pre-'80s feeling, though the overall mainstream culture was pretty '70s. I would say the pre '80s were like mid-1979 to mid-1981. The last hit disco singles were Donna Summer's "Bad Girls" (huge in summer '79) and Chic's "Good Times", neither of which are conventional disco. Then, the disco backlash briefly sent stuff like "My Sharona" to the top (for 5 weeks) and M's "Pop Muzik" along with A/C back up. I don't think the '80s really effectively started until late 1981, though, though even before that CBGB style rock was popular, along with synth pop, though in a more underground-crossover sense.

I think the "Disco era" even had two little mini eras unto itself. '76 and '77 are undeniably more "70s" whereas 1979 (and in a way 1978 too, though I'm not totally sure I want to call it '80s) had a "70s looking forward to the '80s" vibe to it.

There were very very primitive VCR's, Atari games and arena rock/synthesizers. Although I wonder if at the time, The Cars and Foreigner were looked at as "so '70s", even though songs like "Just What I Needed" was sort of the groundwork for new wave? That's much like how I figured 1999 stuff would date quickly as be viewed as tail end "so 90s", when it ended up actually being the benchwork for trends of the 2000's. ;)

Anyway, I'd say that second half of the Disco era was 100% gone by the second half of 1981. Even though it didn't start catching on for a year, and didn't explode for a year or two after that (with Thriller, etc), I would say the launch of MTV in August sort of killed off the late 70ish feel. Although, there were late 70-styled movies and songs up as far as mid 1983 or so.



Yeah, the peak of the disco era was in 1976-1977 and was starting to die down in 1979. I say '79 was alot like '89 in that the culture of the decade was dying down and stuff from the next decade was starting to come up. 1980 had a pretty "70's" feel to it but I tend to think that 1981 killed off that vibe in alot of ways(MTV as you said being one of them). Even though it was really 1982 when the "80's" vibe started to take off.

Yeah, the peak of the disco era was in 1976-1977 and was starting to die down in 1979. I say '79 was alot like '89 in that the culture of the decade was dying down and stuff from the next decade was starting to come up. 1980 had a pretty "70's" feel to it but I tend to think that 1981 killed off that vibe in alot of ways(MTV as you said being one of them). Even though it was really 1982 when the "80's" vibe started to take off.


Yeah, but you peoples are still treating the decade names like symbolic terms. That's moronic. I'm with baa and ... (whoever he is).

The reason why the "19_0s" are called that is simply because those are the years that contain "_0" when you say them...namely the years 19_0 through 19_9. (The underscore can be filled in with any given digit.)

NEED I EXPLAIN MORE?? >:( >:( >:( ::)

True, but its not CULTURALLY untrue. And i'm not obsessed about it. It's just something I speculate about in my spare time. And dont you people ever get tired of critizing others for it?

Culturally, my ass! "19_0s" and "20_0s" are names of chronologcical periods, which I splained above.

Just get a life.
Take your own advice.

Yeah, but you peoples are still treating the decade names like symbolic terms. That's moronic. I'm with baa and ... (whoever he is).

The reason why the "19_0s" are called that is simply because those are the years that contain "_0" when you say them...namely the years 19_0 through 19_9. (The underscore can be filled in with any given digit.)



Did you figure that out all by yourself? :o

Culturally, my ass! "19_0s" and "20_0s" are names of chronologcical periods, which I splained above.
Take your own advice.



Look man you can explain this stuff until your blue in the face(or until you get tired of typing :)) but it's not gonna stop people from talking about it if they choose to. And FYI I have a life. I post about stuff like this because it interests me. If it dosent intrest you and you spend your time insulting people that have different views than you that's just idiotic and stupid and a waste of your time.

Look man you can explain this stuff until your blue in the face(or until you get tired of typing :)) but it's not gonna stop people from talking about it if they choose to. And FYI I have a life. I post about stuff like this because it interests me. If it dosent intrest you and you spend your time insulting people that have different views than you that's just idiotic and stupid and a waste of your time.


Ditto.  C'mon ellipsis, take some anger management or something, or decide to stop taking us decadeologists down and become a productive member of the board. 

If you don't like the thread, don't f*cking post in them.  Is that clear enough for you?  We don't care if you don't like it or not.  We're not here to entertain you or gain your acceptance.  We like the thread, we post in it.



Right on! 8)

Ditto.  C'mon ellipsis, take some anger management or something, or decide to stop taking us decadeologists down and become a productive member of the board. 



Yep. I dont log into random message boards as a guest and insult the memebers because they have different views than me. That's just stupid >:(

My gawd you're awesome  ;D  8)



Well, it had to be said.  :D

Yep. I dont log into random message boards as a guest and insult the memebers because they have different views than me. That's just stupid >:(


I know. It's much more obsessive to do that than do what we do, as Decadeologists.  C'mon Ellipsis/Cigaro/..., leave us alone or stop being so anal and acquire the guts to sign up and get an account!

OMG This thread is like out of control.  I just thought I'd get in one last post incase it gets locked ;D

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Nah I'm fine ... I just wish Cigaro would stop pounding us decadeologists.  I'm not trying to flame him, I just want to put some sense into him :)



Yeah, i'm not trying to be mean or nothing, just trying to get those guys to back off a little(and raise my post count up a little ;D)

Yeah, i'm not trying to be mean or nothing, just trying to get those guys to back off a little(and raise my post count up a little ;D)


;D

:o :o :o



Sometimes bigger truly is better.  :)

Sometimes bigger truly is better.   :)



If that's what it takes to get the point across.

LOL, I agree 100%. This ellipsis or whatever guy is incredibly annoying.



Defidently. It's o.k when guest come in and posts on topics and I dont mind if someone has a different opinion than me(that's to be expected) but it's kind of annoying to have the SAME people complain about the SAME thing evertime they come to the site.

These guests need to register so they can get banned ;D

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If you don't like the thread, don't f*cking post in them.  Is that clear enough for you?  We don't care if you don't like it or not.  We're not here to entertain you or gain your acceptance.  We like the thread, we post in it.  If you have a problem........FIND ANOTHER F*CKING THREAD TO POST IN AND STOP YOUR F*CKING WHINING!


Watch your language, please.

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YES!  They must register now.

Well, what's the point in getting registered if you're gonna get ban'd?

Ummmmm, how about no?

Ummmmm, how about yes? Cussing is not polight.

Back on topic, If a year after 19_9 were culturly part of the _0s, then Dick Van Dyke's real name would be Peins Van Lesbain.

Ummmmm, how about yes? Cussing is not polight.





You know what?  Neither is coming to a thread you don't like just to say you don't like it.  If you don't like these threads......don't waste bandwith telling us you don't like them.  Just don't post in them.  It's real simple.  Just don't even click on them.  Move to threads you do like, and post all you want there.  We're getting tired of it now, so do us all a favor and either quit or leave.  Capisce?

Look man you can explain this stuff until your blue in the face(or until you get tired of typing :)) but it's not gonna stop people from talking about it if they choose to. And FYI I have a life. I post about stuff like this because it interests me. If it dosent intrest you and you spend your time insulting people that have different views than you that's just idiotic and stupid and a waste of your time.


Couldn't agree more. :)

You know people who, say, go to a standup comedy show and heckle one the comedians for "sucking" -- it's like, nobody's making you stay, if you don't like this guy onstage, just leave. Doesn't make much sense when you think about it, ya know? Same thing here.

But honestly, I don't mind little disagreements here and there. If someone says something that's different to what I believe or like, I kinda look at it with interest, maybe I can learn a bit from their point of view (and maybe I can also convince them a little about mine). ;) However, this is just silly. We're obviously not going to convince 'em, they probably just want us to get p*ssed.

Wait... I think I know where the guy posting as "baa" got his name.

Right here! :D

Ummmmm, how about yes? Cussing is not polight.

Back on topic, If a year after 19_9 were culturly part of the _0s, then Dick Van Dyke's real name would be Peins Van Lesbain.


;D ;D ;D

Yaeh, but huge font is not going to make the lurkers go away. Especially if it contains dirty words.

Seriously, people...grow up.


Wait... I think I know where the guy posting as "baa" got his name.

Right here! :D

Haha...that's a funny link! I just listened to the sound clip! ;D ;D ;D

Back on topic, If a year after 19_9 were culturly part of the _0s, then Dick Van Dyke's real name would be Peins Van Lesbain.



Actually, that's not the topic. The topic is about whether 1999-2001 was more like the 90's or the 00's, so if you dont have anything to say about the topic then dont post on the thread. It's very simple.

And just for the record, I dont think anyone is saying that a year from the 90's is culturally PART of the 00's or that a year from the 00's is culturally PART of the 90's but that a year from the 90's is LIKE the 00's. Of course 2000 wasn't part of the 90's but it was sure as hell alot like 1999 culturally. So just get your facts straght ;)

Actually, that's not the topic. The topic is about whether 1999-2001 was more like the 90's or the 00's, so if you dont have anything to say about the topic then dont post on the thread. It's very simple.

And just for the record, I dont think anyone is saying that a year from the 90's is culturally PART of the 00's or that a year from the 00's is culturally PART of the 90's but that a year from the 90's is LIKE the 00's. Of course 2000 wasn't part of the 90's but it was sure as hell alot like 1999 culturally. So just get your facts straght ;)




I understand how a certain year can feel like part of something else. Now that you've splained it, it makes a lot more sense. :)

Wait... I think I know where the guy posting as "baa" got his name.

Right here! :D


Actually, I have seen that clip on TV...but I ain't gonna tell you the origin of my alias!

I understand how a certain year can feel like part of something else. Now that you've splained it, it makes a lot more sense. :)



Glad I could help :)

I understand how a certain year can feel like part of something else. Now that you've splained it, it makes a lot more sense. :)

I understand that, too. In fact, I also read this post:



Actually, that's not the topic. The topic is about whether 1999-2001 was more like the 90's or the 00's, so if you dont have anything to say about the topic then dont post on the thread. It's very simple.

And just for the record, I dont think anyone is saying that a year from the 90's is culturally PART of the 00's or that a year from the 00's is culturally PART of the 90's but that a year from the 90's is LIKE the 00's. Of course 2000 wasn't part of the 90's but it was sure as hell alot like 1999 culturally. So just get your facts straght ;)




...and have known all along that this is what the topic is really about.

So a certian year can feel like that of another decade; that's perfectly understandable.

If I see one of these theads in the future, I will say, "Oh yeah, it sorta felt like it." However, as a child of the 80's (I was born in 1980, and will turn 26 on May 2nd), I was excited about the 90s starting--- Okay, I've said enough already.

As I said, I understand the point now. :)

I understand that, too. In fact, I also read this post:
...and have known all along that this is what the topic is really about.

So a certian year can feel like that of another decade; that's perfectly understandable.

If I see one of these theads in the future, I will say, "Oh yeah, it sorta felt like it." However, as a child of the 80's (I was born in 1980, and will turn 26 on May 2nd), I was excited about the 90s starting--- Okay, I've said enough already.

As I said, I understand the point now. :)



That's all were saying. Of course 1990(for example) wasn't a part of the 1980's. But it still felt like the late 80's until grunge came along and brought and end to pretty much all 80's culture in late 1991/1992. After that 80's artists could pay the record companies to get deals anymore ;D

That's all were saying. Of course 1990(for example) wasn't a part of the 1980's. But it still felt like the late 80's until grunge came along and brought and end to pretty much all 80's culture in late 1991/1992. After that 80's artists could pay the record companies to get deals anymore ;D

Oh yes, how could I forget grunge? I was in my later years of elementary school at the time.

Oh yes, how could I forget grunge? I was in my later years of elementary school at the time.



Grunge was a little before my time(I was 4 in 1991) but I bet it must have been weird to see something new come along and totally get rid of all 80's culture at once. Hair Metal R.I.P.

Grunge was a little before my time(I was 4 in 1991) but I bet it must have been weird to see something new come along and totally get rid of all 80's culture at once. Hair Metal R.I.P.


It was pretty rapid, but it didn't completely wipe out hair metal. I'm sure there was a mini-hair metal revival when Wayne's World was released, and Metallica/Pantera head-bangers were stronger than ever throughout the mid and late 90s.

I think the '00s started in August 1999.  The true '90s ended after July 1999 came to a close (With movies like "American Pie" and "Blair Witch Project" being the End of the '90s)

I think the '00s started in August 1999.  The true '90s ended after July 1999 came to a close (With movies like "American Pie" and "Blair Witch Project" being the End of the '90s)


I also hold the view that the 00s began in 1999. Sept 11 was less a cultural and more a political thing. I guess some on this board are too young to really appreciate the change in '99.  ;)

I also hold the view that the 00s began in 1999. Sept 11 was less a cultural and more a political thing. I guess some on this board are too young to really appreciate the change in '99.  ;)


No it has to do with the fact that 1999 and 2000 are not quite real '00s yet. 2000 and 2006 are worlds apart music wise. There's a lot of change in 1999, but I still think it leans more towards the '90s. 2001 probably is more '00s though.

No Way.  When I think of the '90s, I think of 1991 - 1998. 

1999 is when Pop Music took over and we were introduced to Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Eminem and Ricky Martin.  It was far too much like the '00s

When I think of the '90s, I think of the days when Top 40 Music wasn't dominated by Bubblegum Pop and Rap Music, but was more dominated by Rock, Pop-Rock and R&B

Hip-hop/rap was a big part of '90s music especially by the mid '90s. Bubblegum pop stuff was huge by late 1997, though 1999 was the biggest year for it.

I think 1999 was still pretty '90s. It doesn't share alot in common with 2006, for example...very little that was popular then is popular now, or even vaguely popular. Teen and Latin-flavored pop, techno, country-pop, etc. were all the absolute biggest thing in '99. The atmosphere was very un-'00s. There was definitely one atmosphere change in late '98 and another one in late '01. Technologically, maybe it was the '00s, but even then...VHS was absolute king and discmen were still a pretty cool thing. In alot of ways, I think it shares less in common with the '00s than '89 does with the '90s. Also, the economy was booming then, it was pre-9/11. I think '99 was the year alot of the grungey side got bled out of the '90s and the poppy, silly side that had been there all along was briefly shown. To any American, the '00s began in '01. Though I do admit 98-99 was significantly less '90s than 97-98, though still almost totally '90s, whereas 99-00 had some '00s elements. I think of the late '98-mid '01 period as its own.

Also, 1999 had a more '90sish sense of cool, to the hip/musical subculture people, and the humor and general taste then were waay more '90s. Rap music dominated the charts partially since '94 or so.

The late 90's atmospere lasted from 1998-Mid 2001. There was a major change in atmosphere after 9/11 and during '99, '00, and half of '01 pop was bigger than rap but that changed later in '01 when rap overtook pop.

1997 and 1998 were Polar Opposites, in my opinion.

1997 seemed alot like an '00s Year, while 1998 was a definate '90s Year.  In 1997, we had the Spice Girls and Hanson and such dominating the charts and then in 1998 it shifted to Aerosmith, Alanis Morissette and Goo Goo Dolls

And Rap didn't "Dominate" the Charts in the '90s the same way that it does today.  I'm about to Copy and Paste all of the #1 Hits from 1995-1999 to see where Rap Dominated (Rap songs are in Red)

1995

January 7 On Bended Knee Boyz II Men (3 Weeks)
January 28 Creep TLC (4 Weeks)
February 25 Take a Bow Madonna (7 Weeks)
April 15 This Is How We Do It Montell Jordan (7 Weeks)
June 3 Have You Ever Really Loved A Woman Bryan Adams (5 Weeks)
July 8 Waterfalls TLC (7 Weeks)
August 26 Kiss From a Rose Seal (1 Week)
September 2 You Are Not Alone Michael Jackson (1 Week)
September 9 Gangsta's Paradise Coolio featuring L.V. (3 Weeks)
September 30 Fantasy Mariah Carey (8 Weeks)
November 25 Exhale (Shoop Shoop) Whitney Houston (1 Week)
December 2 One Sweet Day Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men (5 Weeks)

1996

January 6 One Sweet Day Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men (11 Weeks)
March 23 Because You Loved Me C