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Subject: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 08/27/14 at 6:25 pm

Everyone seems to think the early 90s were so dark compared to the late 90s but the late 90s is when there were lots of bomb threats, Marylin Manson type music, bullying, school shootings, and edgier TV. This was even around in 2001. In my area a lot of the culture lasted through 2003.

This is how I picture the early 90s from my memories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8QvBUfpUQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL9gl3TWwKE
There were some things with a darker edge but
it was calm and happy
People were dressed pretty 80s, music was upbeat and happy

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: SiderealDreams on 08/27/14 at 8:37 pm

Good question. I think it is a bit difficult to say. If we are talking about underground music, there is always plenty of dark and light music to go around. If we are talking about mainstream music, I think that the first half of the nineties was dark in a sort of hopeless and depressive way (think grunge and alt rock in general). On the other hand, there was plenty of dark music in the second half of the nineties, but in a more shock-oriented and angry way (with, as you said, Marilyn Manson, not to mention nu-metal). So I wouldn't say that either half of the 90's was musically darker than the other, they just manifested darkness in different ways as far as I can tell.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 08/27/14 at 8:57 pm


Good question. I think it is a bit difficult to say. If we are talking about underground music, there is always plenty of dark and light music to go around. If we are talking about mainstream music, I think that the first half of the nineties was dark in a sort of hopeless and depressive way (think grunge and alt rock in general). On the other hand, there was plenty of dark music in the second half of the nineties, but in a more shock-oriented and angry way (with, as you said, Marilyn Manson, not to mention nu-metal). So I wouldn't say that either half of the 90's was musically darker than the other, they just manifested darkness in different ways as far as I can tell.


When looking at it from an adolescent perspective, the earlier 90s seemed to scream darkness in sort of a lulling depression sort of way. The late 90s were more angry and in your face shock value.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: SiderealDreams on 08/27/14 at 9:19 pm


When looking at it from an adolescent perspective, the earlier 90s seemed to scream darkness in sort of a lulling depression sort of way. The late 90s were more angry and in your face shock value.


Yeah, that sums up my own view quite succinctly and accurately.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 08/28/14 at 12:52 am

FWIW the crime rates were at an all time high in the early '90s, at least in the U.S.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: BayAreaNostalgist1981 on 08/28/14 at 4:35 am


Everyone seems to think the early 90s were so dark compared to the late 90s but the late 90s is when there were lots of bomb threats, Marylin Manson type music, bullying, school shootings, and edgier TV. This was even around in 2001. In my area a lot of the culture lasted through 2003.

This is how I picture the early 90s from my memories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8QvBUfpUQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL9gl3TWwKE
There were some things with a darker edge but
it was calm and happy
People were dressed pretty 80s, music was upbeat and happy


Totally think so too. I think 1997-99 (and up to 02-03) would've been a cool and more innocent time if you were a kid...but for teenagers it seemed like the edgiest, most bad*ss rebellious time maybe ever and the pop culture just reflected that. It definitely wasn't the best time to be an indie hipster/kinda metrosexual guy like me. I felt like I didn't totally gel with the edgy/cool people of that era...and that's probably one reason why. :D

The early 90s (even up to early 1994 maybe) just seemed like an extension of the happy and cheesy 80s, just with some grunge and early gangsta rap and rounded edge cars thrown in there. If you were a teen, the rebellious stuff might've been more noticeable, but for younger kids it wasn't really a big deal.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 08/28/14 at 10:49 am

I was a teen in the late 90's. There was some dark stuff, but most pop culture felt pretty light to me at that time. The crazy good economy, the boybands, The Spice Girls, pop punk, Ricky Martin, Britney Spears, etc.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: 80sfan on 08/29/14 at 9:47 am

I'm not seeing it.  :P

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/14/14 at 12:26 pm

The mid 90s (1993-1996) were darker than both the early 90s and late 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/15/14 at 5:59 pm



The early 90s (even up to early 1994 maybe) just seemed like an extension of the happy and cheesy 80s, just with some grunge and early gangsta rap and rounded edge cars thrown in there. If you were a teen, the rebellious stuff might've been more noticeable, but for younger kids it wasn't really a big deal.


1993 and early 1994 was as 90s as it gets.

http://carihomemaker.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/camping-1995-in-flannel-cropped.jpg


I could see my favorite years (1990,1991 and 1992) as an extension to the late 80s. Bush 1 was President, the California Raisins were still around and eye blinding neon was everywhere. 1993 and early '94 were total Clinton years. They were nothing like the 1980s. I really dislike those years.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 09/15/14 at 10:17 pm

I think Mainstream pop culture leaned a little more 90's than late 80's by 1993, especially 1994.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/15/14 at 10:34 pm


I think Mainstream pop culture leaned a little more 90's than late 80's by 1993, especially 1994.


1992 wassss the year of Ren & Stimpy, MTV playing Pearl Jam videos and Clinton being elected. 1992 did not feel like a 90s year. Teens were still listening to the Pixies, Guns N Roses, Breathe and the New Kids on the Block. 1993 was when late 80s and some early 90s artists completely fell off the map. '93 was the first year of the true 90s. It only got worse from '93, IMO.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: BayAreaNostalgist1981 on 09/16/14 at 12:22 pm


1993 and early 1994 was as 90s as it gets.

I could see my favorite years (1990,1991 and 1992) as an extension to the late 80s. Bush 1 was President, the California Raisins were still around and eye blinding neon was everywhere. 1993 and early '94 were total Clinton years. They were nothing like the 1980s. I really dislike those years.


Well, I think that's true if you're talking about the trendiest stuff or among most teens, but the old things don't fade away overnight either. :) The 80s aesthetic was still around maybe even as late as 1997 (i.e. large amounts of boxy cars on the road, tech like some of the 80s VCRs and boomboxes in people's houses) and to children & adults over 25, there'd be much less of a noticeable difference.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/16/14 at 4:30 pm

1993 doesn't really feel much removed from the 80s to me. I mean, watching these commercials about 65% of them could easily pass for the 80s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY3gh7G1wJQ

And the fact that there were zero cultural references to the internet at that point dates it much more than just a couple years later.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/16/14 at 5:00 pm


1993 doesn't really feel much removed from the 80s to me. I mean, watching these commercials about 65% of them could easily pass for the 80s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY3gh7G1wJQ

And the fact that there were zero cultural references to the internet at that point dates it much more than just a couple years later.


The Dilbert strips of 1993 have "ScottAdams@Aol.com" between the second and third panels. '93 (the year of gangsta rap and grunge) was the first year of the real 90s. I was there:

1990
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QKWvsBL0MCE/TWNTzeYOxQI/AAAAAAAAAus/Wtynim7yoIg/s1600/_images_saved-by-the-bell.jpg

The Early 90s Look - Teal, Tight Rolled Sleeves, Big Belt Buckles and Oversized Silk Rayon Shirt (The Parker Lewis Shirt)



1993

http://blogligadopoder.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/horademorfarmmpr1993.jpg

The "Ultrarealism" Look - Darker Colors and Plain Clothes are Fashionable

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/16/14 at 8:03 pm


The Dilbert strips of 1993 have "ScottAdams@Aol.com" between the second and third panels. '93 (the year of gangsta rap and grunge) was the first year of the real 90s. I was there:

1990
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QKWvsBL0MCE/TWNTzeYOxQI/AAAAAAAAAus/Wtynim7yoIg/s1600/_images_saved-by-the-bell.jpg

The Early 90s Look - Teal, Tight Rolled Sleeves, Big Belt Buckles and Oversized Silk Rayon Shirt (The Parker Lewis Shirt)



1993

http://blogligadopoder.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/horademorfarmmpr1993.jpg

The "Ultrarealism" Look - Darker Colors and Plain Clothes are Fashionable
Jquar is right. 1993 still actually had some 80s vibe. In fact, some of shows that premiered in the late 80s were still on air in 1993 such as Full House, Roseanne, Family Matters, Married with Children, Baywatch, Saved By The Bell and Seinfield. I have seen all of those TV shows and the fashion the characters were wearing didnt have a 90s vibe at all. BTW, not all Rap in 1993 was Gangsta Rap. Some rap actually had a clean rap flow at the time.   

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/16/14 at 9:00 pm


Jquar is right. 1993 still actually had some 80s vibe. In fact, some of shows that premiered in the late 80s were still on air in 1993 such as Full House, Roseanne, Family Matters, Married with Children, Baywatch, Saved By The Bell and Seinfield. I have seen all of those TV shows and the fashion the characters were wearing didnt have a 90s vibe at all. BTW, not all Rap in 1993 was Gangsta Rap. Some rap actually had a clean rap flow at the time. 


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jxkY12Had_0/TqFmkkFHTzI/AAAAAAAAADs/tR3VqlzulUE/s1600/Stefan2.jpg

So their clothes have an 80s vibe? Really? Where are the pastel pinks? I don't see anyone wearing high top sneakers.

Most of those shows you listed went downhill in 1993. Michelle had more lines on Full House and almost took over the show. Sarah Chalke starred as the new Becky Connor and she was a poor replacement for Lecy Goranson. Steve Urkel transformed into Stefan Urquelle and less episodes after that were actually about the Winslow family. '93 was a bad year for Married with Children. Al Bundy went from dealing with Seven to wearing a No-Mam shirt. I dare any straight man to wear a No-Mam shirt in public. It wouldn't fly at all. The Bayside gang graduated at the beginning of the year and went their separate ways after that. Saved By The Bell: the College Years was absolute dreck. Seinfeld was never an 80s show. The pilot aired when '89 was beginning to look more like 1990.

What rap songs of '93 had a clean rap flow? Mainstream gangsta rap was present starting from January all the way until the end of '93.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/16/14 at 11:16 pm


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jxkY12Had_0/TqFmkkFHTzI/AAAAAAAAADs/tR3VqlzulUE/s1600/Stefan2.jpg

So their clothes have an 80s vibe? Really? Where are the pastel pinks? I don't see anyone wearing high top sneakers.

Most of those shows you listed went downhill in 1993. Michelle had more lines on Full House and almost took over the show. Sarah Chalke starred as the new Becky Connor and she was a poor replacement for Lecy Goranson. Steve Urkel transformed into Stefan Urquelle and less episodes after that were actually about the Winslow family. '93 was a bad year for Married with Children. Al Bundy went from dealing with Seven to wearing a No-Mam shirt. I dare any straight man to wear a No-Mam shirt in public. It wouldn't fly at all. The Bayside gang graduated at the beginning of the year and went their separate ways after that. Saved By The Bell: the College Years was absolute dreck. Seinfeld was never an 80s show. The pilot aired when '89 was beginning to look more like 1990.

What rap songs of '93 had a clean rap flow? Mainstream gangsta rap was present starting from January all the way until the end of '93.
They were there. You just have to dig deeper. I'm sure that people were till wearing high top sneakers in 1993. I'm even sure that people were still wearing bright and pastel colors during that year. Just because shows go downhill doesnt mean the fashion changes.

Clean rap flows. heres the list

Hip=hop Hooray
It was a good day
'93 til infinity
Shoop
Whoomp! there it is
Keep your head up
Return of the boom bop
Midnight Marauders
C.R.E.A.M.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/17/14 at 7:40 am


They were there. You just have to dig deeper. I'm sure that people were till wearing high top sneakers in 1993. I'm even sure that people were still wearing bright and pastel colors during that year. Just because shows go downhill doesnt mean the fashion changes.

Clean rap flows. heres the list

Hip=hop Hooray
It was a good day
'93 til infinity
Shoop
Whoomp! there it is
Keep your head up
Return of the boom bop
Midnight Marauders
C.R.E.A.M.


You did not have to dig deep to find them in '92.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B5uwZwkiYYE/Tcrfl-ZUVRI/AAAAAAAAAfw/f9K_f5N4c3c/s1600/3.jpg

Here's Jonathan Brandis in 1993.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2ztc0oGw454/UYklBovDBmI/AAAAAAABEJ0/QCDxnuLDHQ0/s1600/Jonathan-Brandis-jonathan-brandis-20143242-1024-768.png

The style of the shows you mentioned were in the first stage of their 90s phase. They were getting there in late 1992, but '93 was much worse. I clearly remember young men sporting white tops and flannel in 1993. The fleece plaid hoodie vest were more popular from late '92 into 1993.

Since when did gangsta rapper Ice Cube's "It was a Good Day" have a clean rap flow?  I recall seeing a parental advisory label on that one. There's an explicit version to 2Pac's "Keep Your Head Up". Those rap songs you mentioned sounded nothing like "My Adidas" or "You Be Illin'" by Run DMC. They're about as 90s as it gets. Hammer's "2 Legit 2 Quit" had more of an 80s vibe than any of the songs listed above. The only reason I said '92 wasn't dark was because you still had hair metal selections that were charting like Mr. Big's "To Be With You". In '93, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was being discovered by more teenagers. Most teens knew of Nirvana by the time "In Utero" was released in 1993. From there to sometime in the late 90s, teenagers were donating (figuratively) their Metallica shirts for ones with Nirvana's logo on them.

I hated 1993 at the time and now. A Different World was cancelled, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 completely killed off the craze, and the New Jack Swing died. The Golden Age of rap also came to an abrupt end in 1993 with the birth of crappy groups like Wu-Tang Clan.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/17/14 at 2:49 pm

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QKWvsBL0MCE/TWNTzeYOxQI/AAAAAAAAAus/Wtynim7yoIg/s1600/_images_saved-by-the-bell.jpg

What they wore looked more 80's than 90's.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/17/14 at 2:52 pm

The Golden Age of rap also came to an abrupt end in 1993 with the birth of crappy groups like Wu-Tang Clan.

and also rap had curse words.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/17/14 at 7:00 pm


You did not have to dig deep to find them in '92.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B5uwZwkiYYE/Tcrfl-ZUVRI/AAAAAAAAAfw/f9K_f5N4c3c/s1600/3.jpg

Here's Jonathan Brandis in 1993.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2ztc0oGw454/UYklBovDBmI/AAAAAAABEJ0/QCDxnuLDHQ0/s1600/Jonathan-Brandis-jonathan-brandis-20143242-1024-768.png

The style of the shows you mentioned were in the first stage of their 90s phase. They were getting there in late 1992, but '93 was much worse. I clearly remember young men sporting white tops and flannel in 1993. The fleece plaid hoodie vest were more popular from late '92 into 1993.

Since when did gangsta rapper Ice Cube's "It was a Good Day" have a clean rap flow?  I recall seeing a parental advisory label on that one. There's an explicit version to 2Pac's "Keep Your Head Up". Those rap songs you mentioned sounded nothing like "My Adidas" or "You Be Illin'" by Run DMC. They're about as 90s as it gets. Hammer's "2 Legit 2 Quit" had more of an 80s vibe than any of the songs listed above. The only reason I said '92 wasn't dark was because you still had hair metal selections that were charting like Mr. Big's "To Be With You". In '93, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was being discovered by more teenagers. Most teens knew of Nirvana by the time "In Utero" was released in 1993. From there to sometime in the late 90s, teenagers were donating (figuratively) their Metallica shirts for ones with Nirvana's logo on them.

I hated 1993 at the time and now. A Different World was cancelled, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 completely killed off the craze, and the New Jack Swing died. The Golden Age of rap also came to an abrupt end in 1993 with the birth of crappy groups like Wu-Tang Clan.
Well some of those songs may not have had a clean rap flow, but they definitely didnt have a gangsta rap vibe. Golden age of rap didnt end in 1993, it ended sometime in 1998. not all mid 90s rap was gangsta rap you know. Also, what area did you lived in during the 90s? More reasons why 1993 still had an 80s vibe other than some fashion and TV shows was that the NES was still making video games (It didnt end until 1995). Some movies of that year had an 80s vibe. Some songs of every genre had an 80s sound. Gameboy were also still making games. Not much references to the internet (commericials didnt list websites for people to go on, mostly just phone numbers, and the fact that the internet wasnt popular, nor widespread at the time). There were still bulky cell phones. Generation X was still fully in control of pop culture. Bill Clinton was president, but his policies didnt change immediately until the next year. (It takes time for anything to transition). Sega Genesis were even still making games. Dial/Antenna TVs. Boxy cars were still on the road. Walkmans were still being used along with Boomboxes. Music stores were still selling Vinyl records which werent considered old yet. Last, there were no TV remotes. 

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/17/14 at 7:42 pm


Well some of those songs may not have had a clean rap flow, but they definitely didnt have a gangsta rap vibe. Golden age of rap didnt end in 1993, it ended sometime in 1998. not all mid 90s rap was gangsta rap you know. Also, what area did you lived in during the 90s? More reasons why 1993 still had an 80s vibe other than some fashion and TV shows was that the NES was still making video games (It didnt end until 1995). Some movies of that year had an 80s vibe. Some songs of every genre had an 80s sound. Gameboy were also still making games. Not much references to the internet (commericials didnt list websites for people to go on, mostly just phone numbers, and the fact that the internet wasnt popular, nor widespread at the time). There were still bulky cell phones. Generation X was still fully in control of pop culture. Bill Clinton was president, but his policies didnt change immediately until the next year. (It takes time for anything to transition). Sega Genesis were even still making games. Dial/Antenna TVs. Boxy cars were still on the road. Walkmans were still being used along with Boomboxes. Music stores were still selling Vinyl records which werent considered old yet. Last, there were no TV remotes.


How old were you in 1993? It doesn't sound like you were there. The Golden Age of rap DID end in 1993 because all of the politically conscious rappers were no longer recording albums. Yes, gangsta rap was taking over the hip hop charts from the start of the year to the end. While it's true, games were still being made for the NES, gamers weren't buying them. In '93, you were nobody if you did not own a SNES or Genesis system. That is one of the reasons why NES games from '92 to '95 are rare today. Hair metal was as dead as wrestling in '93. Even thought there were bulky cell phones, the newest ones were flip phones. Vinyl records may have still been around, but teenagers were buying CDs and Cassingles ever since 1988. Vinyl records were old long before the 80s ended. Sony Walkmans were still being sold, but most teenagers wanted a Discman before '92 was over. No one on the tube was wearing bright colors anymore in '93.  It was fashionable to wear plaid with everything starting in early '93. Before then, you saw some people wearing plaid Skidz pants with a dark colored shirt or plaid fleece hoodie vests with a white shirt underneath. You are correct when it comes to one thing. The internet was not well known to mainstream America just yet. By having Scott Adams list his screen name at AOL, the funnies were starting to look different from how they were in '86. The Baby Boomers were in control of pop culture in the 1980s, not my generation. Like you said, Bill Clinton (a Democrat) was an office from '93 to '01. From the 80s to '93, a Republican was in charge of this great nation. Why would Sega stop releasing games for the Genesis in '93? The Sega Genesis was only four years old. Now if you told me games for the Sega Master System were still being produced in '93…. Remote controls were around years before 1993.

If you don't mind me asking, what was so fascinating about 1993 to you? '93 was very overrated even then. Only children of the 90s like the pop culture of 1993-1999 and that's because they were born from '87 to '90. They look at 1993 like it was the beginning of time because the Power Rangers (Zyuranger from 1992) debut. To them, the Power Rangers were most important figures in US history.  The economy was good in 1993, but there was nothing on TV or in Theaters. There were only two classics from '93 and they were "Jurassic Park" (the book was better) and "Schindler's List".

Again, 1990

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4lOEI9QUjpo/TsGvJTZDOII/AAAAAAAAAug/EZ1kgG3-2E8/s1600/bayside.jpg


1993

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ImTaTKVyVdY/TZ33PGxu8AI/AAAAAAAAABw/OFme7005Fvs/s1600/Newclass.jpg

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Visor765 on 09/17/14 at 9:06 pm


No one on the tube was wearing bright colors anymore in '93.


I'm watching the sixth episode of the first season of Sister Sister which aired on May 6, 1994, and people were still wearing bright colors.

It was fashionable to wear plaid with everything starting in early '93.

That's true.

The Baby Boomers were in control of pop culture in the 1980s, not my generation.

No, Generation Jones and Generation X defined the 80s. All the most popular celebrities in the 1980s, they were Generation Jones and Generation X..

Only children of the 90s like the pop culture of 1993-1999 and that's because they were born from '87 to '90.

Just because you didn't like 1993–1999 doesn't mean everyone else didn't. Your name obviously states your preference to the early '90s, and that's fine, but 1993 still looks "early '90s" to me.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/17/14 at 9:31 pm


I'm watching the sixth episode of the first season of Sister Sister which aired on May 6, 1994, and people were still wearing bright colors.


Bright colors were rare in the mid 90s. By bright colors, I mean neon colors.


No, Generation Jones and Generation X defined the 80s. All the most popular celebrities in the 1980s, they were Generation Jones and Generation X..


Yes, but the Boomers were creating the pop culture of the 1980s.


Just because you didn't like 1993–1999 doesn't mean everyone else didn't. Your name obviously states r your preference to the early '90s, and that's fine, but 1993 still looks "early '90s" to me.


I don't know why everyone else in the world appears to like '93-'99 so much. Like 80s fan say, "The true 90s are overrated". 1993 WAS NOT EARLY 90S. YOU WEREN'T THERE. I CAN TELL BECAUSE YOU SAID IT LOOKS LIKE THE EARLY 90s TO YOU. 1993 IS THE FIRST YEAR OF THE MID 90S.  1993 WAS THE YEAR OF GANGSTA RAP AND GRUNGE. I dislike that year will all of my hate. >:(

Pre '93

http://www.westwoodvalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Vanilla-Ice-To-The-Extreme.jpg

Post '93

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y_tcBPfFUyE/TH-_SpnEURI/AAAAAAAAAeE/VC2kUXaJ0iY/s1600/61MBcUwrUfL._SL600_.jpg

I know what I'm talking about.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/17/14 at 9:32 pm


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QKWvsBL0MCE/TWNTzeYOxQI/AAAAAAAAAus/Wtynim7yoIg/s1600/_images_saved-by-the-bell.jpg

What they wore looked more 80's than 90's.


It was 1990, just a year apart from 1989.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 09/17/14 at 11:23 pm

In the mainstream, there were still late 80's things  around in 1994, but I feel like it tilted more towards the 90's overall. Especially the politics/movies/music. Even a lot of the hair and clothes.

There were every day people with 80's hairstyles that lasted well into the 90's, though. Pro wrestlers, too.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/18/14 at 12:34 am

It was all about Clear Channel.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/18/14 at 1:48 am


The Dilbert strips of 1993 have "ScottAdams@Aol.com" between the second and third panels. '93 (the year of gangsta rap and grunge) was the first year of the real 90s. I was there:

1990
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QKWvsBL0MCE/TWNTzeYOxQI/AAAAAAAAAus/Wtynim7yoIg/s1600/_images_saved-by-the-bell.jpg

The Early 90s Look - Teal, Tight Rolled Sleeves, Big Belt Buckles and Oversized Silk Rayon Shirt (The Parker Lewis Shirt)



1993

http://blogligadopoder.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/horademorfarmmpr1993.jpg

The "Ultrarealism" Look - Darker Colors and Plain Clothes are Fashionable


Popular fashion was definitely changing one bit at a time, but if you asked most people nowadays 1993 could just as easily be 1989.

Just do a google image search for '1993' and you'll see what I mean

https://www.google.com/search?q=1993&biw=1366&bih=643&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IH8aVNnEK8GdyATV7IAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgdii=_

It's a mixed bag, you had a lot of late 80s fashions hanging on and some newer trends kicking in with younger people. Kind of an awkward time looking back at it.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/18/14 at 1:59 am

As far as clean rap flows from 1993 goes, how about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO076n2VXuY

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYIpa1Ulvw

Dr. Dre and G-funk got big that year, but there was other stuff that was big on the charts.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/18/14 at 2:18 am


How old were you in 1993? It doesn't sound like you were there. The Golden Age of rap DID end in 1993 because all of the politically conscious rappers were no longer recording albums. Yes, gangsta rap was taking over the hip hop charts from the start of the year to the end. While it's true, games were still being made for the NES, gamers weren't buying them. In '93, you were nobody if you did not own a SNES or Genesis system. That is one of the reasons why NES games from '92 to '95 are rare today. Hair metal was as dead as wrestling in '93. Even thought there were bulky cell phones, the newest ones were flip phones. Vinyl records may have still been around, but teenagers were buying CDs and Cassingles ever since 1988. Vinyl records were old long before the 80s ended. Sony Walkmans were still being sold, but most teenagers wanted a Discman before '92 was over. No one on the tube was wearing bright colors anymore in '93.  It was fashionable to wear plaid with everything starting in early '93. Before then, you saw some people wearing plaid Skidz pants with a dark colored shirt or plaid fleece hoodie vests with a white shirt underneath. You are correct when it comes to one thing. The internet was not well known to mainstream America just yet. By having Scott Adams list his screen name at AOL, the funnies were starting to look different from how they were in '86. The Baby Boomers were in control of pop culture in the 1980s, not my generation. Like you said, Bill Clinton (a Democrat) was an office from '93 to '01. From the 80s to '93, a Republican was in charge of this great nation. Why would Sega stop releasing games for the Genesis in '93? The Sega Genesis was only four years old. Now if you told me games for the Sega Master System were still being produced in '93…. Remote controls were around years before 1993.

If you don't mind me asking, what was so fascinating about 1993 to you? '93 was very overrated even then. Only children of the 90s like the pop culture of 1993-1999 and that's because they were born from '87 to '90. They look at 1993 like it was the beginning of time because the Power Rangers (Zyuranger from 1992) debut. To them, the Power Rangers were most important figures in US history.  The economy was good in 1993, but there was nothing on TV or in Theaters. There were only two classics from '93 and they were "Jurassic Park" (the book was better) and "Schindler's List".

Again, 1990

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4lOEI9QUjpo/TsGvJTZDOII/AAAAAAAAAug/EZ1kgG3-2E8/s1600/bayside.jpg


1993

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ImTaTKVyVdY/TZ33PGxu8AI/AAAAAAAAABw/OFme7005Fvs/s1600/Newclass.jpg
i was born that year and golden age rap was still continuing. I've seen lists of Golden age rap songs and it goes from 1987 to 1997. Just because the NES wasn't popular anymore, doesn't mean that people stopped playing the games. 1993 was fascinating because it had lots good stuff and for the most, 1993 was nothing like 1999. They were 2 different eras. 90s kids can also remember the early 90s too. I bet people born in 1987/88 can remember 1991 and they were 3/4 at the time. Not only were power Rangers important, so were TMNT, and other super hero shows. 

Here's photos from 1993.

http://www.stonybrook.edu/metcalf/Images/groupphotos/1993.jpg

http://rswesterland.lernnetz.de/Photos_Klassen/1993_1992/1993a1.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns1993.jpg

http://staff.imsa.edu/irc/archives/academic_years/content/large1993.jpg

http://www.rieder-heinz.ch/klassenfotos/ehemalige/1993_1996_A.jpg

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 8:20 am


i was born that year and golden age rap was still continuing. I've seen lists of Golden age rap songs and it goes from 1987 to 1997. Just because the NES wasn't popular anymore, doesn't mean that people stopped playing the games. 1993 was fascinating because it had lots good stuff and for the most, 1993 was nothing like 1999. They were 2 different eras. 90s kids can also remember the early 90s too. I bet people born in 1987/88 can remember 1991 and they were 3/4 at the time. Not only were power Rangers important, so were TMNT, and other super hero shows. 

Here's photos from 1993.

http://www.stonybrook.edu/metcalf/Images/groupphotos/1993.jpg

http://rswesterland.lernnetz.de/Photos_Klassen/1993_1992/1993a1.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns1993.jpg

http://staff.imsa.edu/irc/archives/academic_years/content/large1993.jpg

http://www.rieder-heinz.ch/klassenfotos/ehemalige/1993_1996_A.jpg


That explains it all, you were born in '93. I'm sorry to inform you about this again, but groups like X-Clan had stopped releasing albums after '92. Mainstream rap at the time was from (c)rappers like Snoop Dogg and Wu-Tang Clan. In the actual early 90s, we only had one single by Snoop and Dre and then the Chronic (more of a '93 thing) was sold in December of '92. My question to you is how do you golden age rap was still being produced if you were only born in 1993? Some people may have still played NES games, but the larger majority was into SNES. It's like this, would you prefer to eat the popcorn chicken or the chicken wing? All of that good stuff you mentioned was derived from the early 90s. Did you like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers? The Japanese had them for most of 1992. Animaniacs? They wouldn't exist if Tiny Toon Adventures was scrapped.  I never said that '93 was anything like 1999 in my statement. I know '99 was the start of a new era that would end in 2002, the first real year of the 2000s. How can 90s kids remember the early 90s if most of them were born during the early 90s? That's impossible. 90s kids had to have watched VH1's I Love the 90s to get an idea of what was popular in those times. VH1 messed up by mixing up contents of the early 90s with the late 80s. For example, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was shown as part of a segment in the I Love 1988 episode. Turtlemania occurred at the start of 1990. No one, but comic fans, knew who they were in 1988. Their popularity died in 1993, only one out of ten children were wearing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sweater in 1994. The third movie did the series in. I don't consider it as part of the movie series. Have you seen it? It was bloody awful, after it was in Theaters, children switched over to the X-Men. X-Men have been around since the 1960s. The 90s did not really have any original superheroes. Image's Spawn was invented sometime in late '91 to April of '92. That's it.

Folks born in '87 and '88 may have memories of '91 and '92, but you never hear them speak of them. Instead they are more focused on the pop culture of the central 90s (1993-1996).  I'm not concerned about what they have to say, because they were too young to hold a Super Soaker 100 in their hands.
If you were of age in '93, you too may have agreed 1993 stunk like all the years that came after it. The mid 90s (1993-1996) were the darkest out of the three parts of the decade. Let's see:

1990-1993

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YoK9Ob3OvFE/UpKuih6uvtI/AAAAAAAABOE/fk2wcHpfUSA/s1600/l347a2c030000_1_1331.jpeg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hGa__2Hg7bg/UnJ8vjKGo_I/AAAAAAAAPQ8/h87Onp9Zp4E/s1600/vanilla+ice++cazal+958+1990s.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X3UU2JYE2x0/T3IylS1AexI/AAAAAAAAAbI/iYvhOTNQpgg/s1600/scarf-print-will-smith.jpg

1993-1996

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9xoFK6JkBM/TlVFlZCwLtI/AAAAAAAADHo/eSZqeHyPhkU/s1600/katy.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8PATT2NITAA/THhT6ddVwqI/AAAAAAAAABA/La-U0o358pU/s1600/Death+Row+%2823%29.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IdQt3GbB1_Y/ULhUZDBM6lI/AAAAAAAAG10/S4I25jR1c3s/s1600/Saved+By+the+Bell.jpg

1996-1999

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxuzQllwCIA/TSPKBjK3MEI/AAAAAAAADJM/kiHDjoVlTEM/s1600/7th.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_UlYMJwpxfc/US9c8-HzhEI/AAAAAAAAl5A/VjivK18-asY/s1600/MV5BMTcyNDQwNzY3Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODkwNzYxMQ@@__V1_SY317_CR5,0,214,317_.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GYyUwH6G1Qw/T8AxLdKAkKI/AAAAAAAAA8I/Txv85p5bT4k/s1600/britwr99.jpg


The mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. The economy did come back in late '92 and lasted well into the mid 90s. I'll give a "90s kid" (not child of the 1990s) that.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 8:42 am


In the mainstream, there were still late 80's things  around in 1994, but I feel like it tilted more towards the 90's overall. Especially the politics/movies/music. Even a lot of the hair and clothes.

There were every day people with 80's hairstyles that lasted well into the 90's, though. Pro wrestlers, too.


1994 was very 90s with the dispensation of "My So Called Life" and Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun". It doesn't get anymore 90s than that. :)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 8:43 am


As far as clean rap flows from 1993 goes, how about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO076n2VXuY

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYIpa1Ulvw

Dr. Dre and G-funk got big that year, but there was other stuff that was big on the charts.


Huh?



Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/18/14 at 10:03 am


That explains it all, you were born in '93. I'm sorry to inform you about this again, but groups like X-Clan had stopped releasing albums after '92. Mainstream rap at the time was from (c)rappers like Snoop Dogg and Wu-Tang Clan. In the actual early 90s, we only had one single by Snoop and Dre and then the Chronic (more of a '93 thing) was sold in December of '92. My question to you is how do you golden age rap was still being produced if you were only born in 1993? Some people may have still played NES games, but the larger majority was into SNES. It's like this, would you prefer to eat the popcorn chicken or the chicken wing? All of that good stuff you mentioned was derived from the early 90s. Did you like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers? The Japanese had them for most of 1992. Animaniacs? They wouldn't exist if Tiny Toon Adventures was scrapped.  I never said that '93 was anything like 1999 in my statement. I know '99 was the start of a new era that would end in 2002, the first real year of the 2000s. How can 90s kids remember the early 90s if most of them were born during the early 90s? That's impossible. 90s kids had to have watched VH1's I Love the 90s to get an idea of what was popular in those times. VH1 messed up by mixing up contents of the early 90s with the late 80s. For example, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was shown as part of a segment in the I Love 1988 episode. Turtlemania occurred at the start of 1990. No one, but comic fans, knew who they were in 1988. Their popularity died in 1993, only one out of ten children were wearing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sweater in 1994. The third movie did the series in. I don't consider it as part of the movie series. Have you seen it? It was bloody awful, after it was in Theaters, children switched over to the X-Men. X-Men have been around since the 1960s. The 90s did not really have any original superheroes. Image's Spawn was invented sometime in late '91 to April of '92. That's it.

Folks born in '87 and '88 may have memories of '91 and '92, but you never hear them speak of them. Instead they are more focused on the pop culture of the central 90s (1993-1996).  I'm not concerned about what they have to say, because they were too young to hold a Super Soaker 100 in their hands.
If you were of age in '93, you too may have agreed 1993 stunk like all the years that came after it. The mid 90s (1993-1996) were the darkest out of the three parts of the decade. Let's see:

1990-1993

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YoK9Ob3OvFE/UpKuih6uvtI/AAAAAAAABOE/fk2wcHpfUSA/s1600/l347a2c030000_1_1331.jpeg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hGa__2Hg7bg/UnJ8vjKGo_I/AAAAAAAAPQ8/h87Onp9Zp4E/s1600/vanilla+ice++cazal+958+1990s.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X3UU2JYE2x0/T3IylS1AexI/AAAAAAAAAbI/iYvhOTNQpgg/s1600/scarf-print-will-smith.jpg

1993-1996

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9xoFK6JkBM/TlVFlZCwLtI/AAAAAAAADHo/eSZqeHyPhkU/s1600/katy.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8PATT2NITAA/THhT6ddVwqI/AAAAAAAAABA/La-U0o358pU/s1600/Death+Row+%2823%29.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IdQt3GbB1_Y/ULhUZDBM6lI/AAAAAAAAG10/S4I25jR1c3s/s1600/Saved+By+the+Bell.jpg

1996-1999

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LxuzQllwCIA/TSPKBjK3MEI/AAAAAAAADJM/kiHDjoVlTEM/s1600/7th.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_UlYMJwpxfc/US9c8-HzhEI/AAAAAAAAl5A/VjivK18-asY/s1600/MV5BMTcyNDQwNzY3Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODkwNzYxMQ@@__V1_SY317_CR5,0,214,317_.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GYyUwH6G1Qw/T8AxLdKAkKI/AAAAAAAAA8I/Txv85p5bT4k/s1600/britwr99.jpg


The mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. The economy did come back in late '92 and lasted well into the mid 90s. I'll give a "90s kid" (not child of the 1990s) that.
I know because my parents listening to rap on CDs and cassettes and I was listening to it too. I still hope you understand that not all rap was gangsta rap in the mid 90s. Yes, I did as well as tiny toon adventures and animaniacs. the mid 90s werent all that dark like you think. Im sure there was good stuff in that era that you may have forgetten. How could their popularity died if the TMNT cartoon was still on air? I'm sure that people born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers. Last, did you see all the photos i posted from 1993? everyone in those images were not wearing depressing colors and the fashion was still the same (except certain things)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 11:40 am


I know because my parents listening to rap on CDs and cassettes and I was listening to it too. I still hope you understand that not all rap was gangsta rap in the mid 90s. Yes, I did as well as tiny toon adventures and animaniacs. the mid 90s werent all that dark like you think. Im sure there was good stuff in that era that you may have forgetten. How could their popularity died if the TMNT cartoon was still on air? I'm sure that people born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers. Last, did you see all the photos i posted from 1993? everyone in those images were not wearing depressing colors and the fashion was still the same (except certain things)



Your parents may have been listening to older records in the mid to late 90s. That east coast and west coast war was not a part of the golden age of rap. Death Row records are what killed Yo! MTV Raps and Pump It Up on the FOX Network. The Tiny Toons were first, the Animaniacs were nothing but a second attempt. Unfortunately, more people caught the Animaniacs in the afternoon than the Tiny Toons years before then. So, the Animaniacs are more well known amongst most young Americans, sadly. Buster and Babs had more character than Wacko, Yako and Dot ever did. What the heck were the Animaniacs? Were they bobcats? Inklings? What? At least children knew Buster and Babs were bunnies. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles may have still been on air, but children and adults alike were watching Batman:The Animated Serie and FOX's X-Men The Animated Series over it. The mid 90s were very dark, you were a child then so you cannot talk about them. Adolescents born in the late 80s may have played with Super Soakers in the late 90s, but not the most iconic ones (Super Soaker 50 and 100). You posted pictures of college students and not teenagers from '93. Of course college students were behind the times. The fashion of the mid 90s was nothing like that of the early 90s. There were a small traces of late 80s clothing in '93 ONLY. The Cosby Sweater were far and few in between back then.

You and I will probably never see eye to eye. I was alive in '93 to see the death of the late 80s and early 90s pop culture. Your evidence is drawn from what you found on-line. Take heed that some of that information is incorrect. I don't know where you got the idea that the golden age of rap ended in '97. Whoever wrote that most have been a child of the 90s. Those children of the 90s will claim that rap was over in 2001, also. Members of my generation will tell you rap died in 1993. They were there to actually witness rap go from Public Enemy's "Fight the Power" to Dr. Dre's "Nuthin' But a G Thang". To us, 1993 will always be known as the year of nothing but gangsta and grunge music. Oh yeah, most people classify the Tag Team's "Whoops! There it is" as dance music and not rap. "Whoop! There It Is" isn't up there with "U Can't Touch This", "Rump Shaker" or "Baby Got Back".

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/18/14 at 11:46 am


Huh?


Huh right back at you.

Both those songs were rap hits in 1993. Neither song could even remotely be described as gangsta rap/g-funk. Therefore your "theory" that only gangsta rap was popular at that point is sort of easily disproven.

1993 is also commonly described as "golden age" of rap, which is a term used simply to refer to rap's peak period of creative expansion. It's usually described as lasting from the late 80s through the mid 90s, just like New Jack Swing (which was also still popular in 1993).

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 11:58 am


Huh right back at you.

Both those songs were rap hits in 1993. Neither song could even remotely be described as gangsta rap/g-funk. Therefore your "theory" that only gangsta rap was popular at that point is sort of easily disproven.

1993 is also commonly described as "golden age" of rap, which is a term used simply to refer to rap's peak period of creative expansion. It's usually described as lasting from the late 80s through the mid 90s, just like New Jack Swing (which was also still popular in 1993).


I couldn't see the videos posted for some reason. That is reason I wrote, "Huh"? What songs were they?

1993 is "commonly described as golden age rap" by who? Oh right, "90s kids", why did I ask? No, golden age rap did not last from '88 until sometime in the mid 90s. The golden age of rap ended in 1993 with the popularity of G-Funk and birth of groups like the Wu-Tang Clan, "90s kid". How are you going to tell me that New Jack Swing was still popular in '93? I was there and with the end of "A Different World" on NBC went New Jack Swing. The New Jack Swing that charted in '93 was recorded in 1992. The only R&B being produced in 1993 were slow jams. Why am I arguing with a "90s kid"? Sigh.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/18/14 at 12:08 pm


I couldn't see the videos posted for some reason. That is reason I wrote, "Huh"? What songs were they?

1993 is "commonly described as golden age rap" by who? Oh right, "90s kids", why did I ask? No, golden age rap did not last from '88 until sometime in the mid 90s. The golden age of rap ended in 1993 with the popularity of G-Funk and birth of groups like the Wu-Tang Clan, "90s kid". How are you going to tell me that New Jack Swing was still popular in '93? I was there and with the end of "A Different World" on NBC went New Jack Swing. The New Jack Swing that charted in '93 was recorded in 1992. The only R&B being produced in 1993 were slow jams. Why am I arguing with a "90s kid"? Sigh.


How am I going to tell you that New Jack was popular in '93? This song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc

Neither of these songs were released in 1992. They both sound like new jack to me, and both of them were big hits.

Even Blackstreet's first album sounds pretty new jack to me, and that was released in June 1994.

Sorry, but your posts are pretty silly and are pretty much decadeology. Saying "x year" was when everything magically changed overnight is simply dumb and is easy to disprove by posting actual examples which several others have now done. If I were an admin I'd probably lock this thread.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 1:15 pm


How am I going to tell you that New Jack was popular in '93? This song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc

Neither of these songs were released in 1992. They both sound like new jack to me, and both of them were big hits.

Even Blackstreet's first album sounds pretty new jack to me, and that was released in June 1994.

Sorry, but your posts are pretty silly and are pretty much decadeology. Saying "x year" was when everything magically changed overnight is simply dumb and is easy to disprove by posting actual examples which several others have now done. If I were an admin I'd probably lock this thread.


Technically, you are correct about Teddy Riley's Blackstreet being a New Jack Swing group. They did not have the early 90s New Jack Swing sound. They were a mid 90s group.

When it comers right down to it, '77-'87 borns saw the early 90s (1990-1993). '87-'93 babies have their mid 90s (1993-1996) and late 90s (1996-1999). You believe my posts are silly, but that is only your opinion. Things did change the minute Dr. Dre's the Chronic was released in December of 1992. You can't rebuke that truth. By the way, I still can't make out what videos you posted.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/18/14 at 1:32 pm


Technically, you are correct about Teddy Riley's Blackstreet being a New Jack Swing group. They did not have the early 90s New Jack Swing sound. They were a mid 90s group.

When it comers right down to it, '77-'87 borns saw the early 90s (1990-1993). '87-'93 babies have their mid 90s (1993-1996) and late 90s (1996-1999). You believe my posts are silly, but that is only your opinion. Things did change the minute Dr. Dre's the Chronic was released in December of 1992. You can't rebuke that truth. By the way, I still can't make out what videos you posted.


How can you not make them out when they're showing up just fine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc

I would also disagree that Blackstreet didn't have a New Jack sound on some tracks. Does this not sound New Jack? 1993 right here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ERK-RHqhU

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 1:36 pm


How can you not make them out when they're showing up just fine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRbJoLXna0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV05oji5doc




This is going to go on forever.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9I74focpaSM/VAigIeYmp2I/AAAAAAAAC_c/1DPC-LXHZhA/s1600/neworder.gif

I'll admit that early '93 was early 90s (the worst of the early 90s) but there is no way the fall to winter half of '93 is.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/18/14 at 1:45 pm


This is going to go on forever.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9I74focpaSM/VAigIeYmp2I/AAAAAAAAC_c/1DPC-LXHZhA/s1600/neworder.gif

I'll admit that early '93 was early 90s but there is no way the fall to winter half of '93 is.


No debating that, actually. January 1, 1990 to April 30, 1993 was the first mathematical third of the '90s. Middle third of the '90s would be May 1, 1993 to August 31, 1996 and last third would be September 1, 1996 to December 31, 1999. If you want to group the pop culture along those lines then you're free to do it I guess.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/18/14 at 2:03 pm

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ImTaTKVyVdY/TZ33PGxu8AI/AAAAAAAAABw/OFme7005Fvs/s1600/Newclass.jpg

I liked the original Saved By The Bell best.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 2:05 pm

Wasn't "The Right Kind of Love" on the 1992 90210 Soundtrack?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j1nA6ZV_0EU/S-0xOtV1qnI/AAAAAAAABxY/xIEdzjLBMcU/s1600/jeremy_jordan_mlige_trkol.jpg

"If I Had No Loot" was okay. Their second album was the best.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7_vA-rqSUxU/TxeY5CdVqNI/AAAAAAAAQrY/mqM62fKNYMo/s1600/Tony%2521Toni%2521Ton%25C3%25A9%2521TheRevival1990A.jpg

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 2:06 pm


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ImTaTKVyVdY/TZ33PGxu8AI/AAAAAAAAABw/OFme7005Fvs/s1600/Newclass.jpg

I liked the original Saved By The Bell best.


Me too. The New Class isn't even shown in reruns today.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/18/14 at 2:09 pm


As far as clean rap flows from 1993 goes, how about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO076n2VXuY

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYIpa1Ulvw

Dr. Dre and G-funk got big that year, but there was other stuff that was big on the charts.


That's party rap.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/18/14 at 2:18 pm




I would also disagree that Blackstreet didn't have a New Jack sound on some tracks. Does this not sound New Jack? 1993 right here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ERK-RHqhU


I never said that Blackstreet was not a New Jack Swing group. Their music does not sound like that of '90 to mid '93. You can tell a New Jack Swing song of 1991 from that of 1994. New Jack of '94 has a heavier and raw sound to it. Portrait's debut album from 1992 was the first to combine the early 90s New Jack sound with the more modern one.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/18/14 at 11:35 pm



Your parents may have been listening to older records in the mid to late 90s. That east coast and west coast war was not a part of the golden age of rap. Death Row records are what killed Yo! MTV Raps and Pump It Up on the FOX Network. The Tiny Toons were first, the Animaniacs were nothing but a second attempt. Unfortunately, more people caught the Animaniacs in the afternoon than the Tiny Toons years before then. So, the Animaniacs are more well known amongst most young Americans, sadly. Buster and Babs had more character than Wacko, Yako and Dot ever did. What the heck were the Animaniacs? Were they bobcats? Inklings? What? At least children knew Buster and Babs were bunnies. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles may have still been on air, but children and adults alike were watching Batman:The Animated Serie and FOX's X-Men The Animated Series over it. The mid 90s were very dark, you were a child then so you cannot talk about them. Adolescents born in the late 80s may have played with Super Soakers in the late 90s, but not the most iconic ones (Super Soaker 50 and 100). You posted pictures of college students and not teenagers from '93. Of course college students were behind the times. The fashion of the mid 90s was nothing like that of the early 90s. There were a small traces of late 80s clothing in '93 ONLY. The Cosby Sweater were far and few in between back then.

You and I will probably never see eye to eye. I was alive in '93 to see the death of the late 80s and early 90s pop culture. Your evidence is drawn from what you found on-line. Take heed that some of that information is incorrect. I don't know where you got the idea that the golden age of rap ended in '97. Whoever wrote that most have been a child of the 90s. Those children of the 90s will claim that rap was over in 2001, also. Members of my generation will tell you rap died in 1993. They were there to actually witness rap go from Public Enemy's "Fight the Power" to Dr. Dre's "Nuthin' But a G Thang". To us, 1993 will always be known as the year of nothing but gangsta and grunge music. Oh yeah, most people classify the Tag Team's "Whoops! There it is" as dance music and not rap. "Whoop! There It Is" isn't up there with "U Can't Touch This", "Rump Shaker" or "Baby Got Back".
Both of my parents were in their 20s and 30s in the 90s, so they definitely know the golden age of hip-hop. Both shows are good. I bet people remember both of them and how great they were. I doubt that they were watching those shows over TMNT. did the third TMNT movie really kill their popularity? Just because a movie sequel stunk doesnt mean it will destroy a cartoon's popularity. I mean TMNT was on until 1996 while the other two were on until about 1997/98. Yes, I was only a baby, but that doesnt mean I can't talk about it. How do you know that those born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers in the late 90s? They could have used them in the mid 90s as well as they were 5 to 9 years old at that time. I can see 6 to 9 year old kids spraying and squirting each other with super soakers, so you cant say that they were only using them in the late 90s. They were at the right age in the mid 90s to play with them. You do realize high schoolers and colleagues wear the most popular clothing right? They are not that different from each other as they are usually between the ages of 14 and 22. Arent all 4 of those songs dance rap songs? How is Whoop! There it Is not up with the other three? Here's actually a page talking about the golden age of hip-hop which said it was from 1987-1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Last, were you born in the 70s and what area did you live in during the 90s?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/19/14 at 12:27 am


I never said that Blackstreet was not a New Jack Swing group. Their music does not sound like that of '90 to mid '93. You can tell a New Jack Swing song of 1991 from that of 1994. New Jack of '94 has a heavier and raw sound to it. Portrait's debut album from 1992 was the first to combine the early 90s New Jack sound with the more modern one.


I thought you said that New Jack wasn't popular in 1993, now you're saying it was still hanging around in 1994!?  :o

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/19/14 at 4:30 am


Sorry, but your posts are pretty silly and are pretty much decadeology.


Totally agree!

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 6:23 am


Totally agree!


>:(

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 6:27 am


I thought you said that New Jack wasn't popular in 1993, now you're saying it was still hanging around in 1994!?  :o


You aren't paying attention to my posts!!! I said the Blackstreet songs had a different sound to them from that of the early 90s. Just because an album was released doesn't mean that New Jack Swing was still popular in 1994. They were a Teddy Riley produced band and as you may not know, Teddy was the Father of the genre.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 6:45 am


Both of my parents were in their 20s and 30s in the 90s, so they definitely know the golden age of hip-hop. Both shows are good. I bet people remember both of them and how great they were. I doubt that they were watching those shows over TMNT. did the third TMNT movie really kill their popularity? Just because a movie sequel stunk doesnt mean it will destroy a cartoon's popularity. I mean TMNT was on until 1996 while the other two were on until about 1997/98. Yes, I was only a baby, but that doesnt mean I can't talk about it. How do you know that those born in the late 80s were playing with super soakers in the late 90s? They could have used them in the mid 90s as well as they were 5 to 9 years old at that time. I can see 6 to 9 year old kids spraying and squirting each other with super soakers, so you cant say that they were only using them in the late 90s. They were at the right age in the mid 90s to play with them. You do realize high schoolers and colleagues wear the most popular clothing right? They are not that different from each other as they are usually between the ages of 14 and 22. Arent all 4 of those songs dance rap songs? How is Whoop! There it Is not up with the other three? Here's actually a page talking about the golden age of hip-hop which said it was from 1987-1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Last, were you born in the 70s and what area did you live in during the 90s?


You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/19/14 at 6:01 pm


You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.
when I said i doubt those shows were popular over TMNT i meant that people didn't stop watching TMNT when the 3rd movie turned out to be awful. In fact,  all 3 cartoons were watched by everyone and it didn't matter how old the cartoons were.  Besides, both x-men and batman premiered way before the third TMNT movie. Therefore, they all were already popular.  Cartoons spoof things all the time, so this isnt new. Yeah, you're right,  they didn't play with super soakers when they were new, but you also said that they began using them in the late 90s and that was inaccurate because like i said, they could have used them in the mid 90s as they were the perfect age to use super soakers since they were 5 to 9 years old during that era.  Yes, i know what a colleague is. It's an associate (classmate) or coworker. College students wear all the popular fashion items like high schoolers too.  Like I said, they're not that different. If whoomp wasn't a classic, why has it been referenced in TV programs and other things? I don't think a 90s kid would write wikipedia articles as that would be an opinion, not fact.  Btw, rap didn't die in 1993, it changed and once again, not all mid 90s rap was gangsta rap. What about jay-z, nas, a tribe called quest, g Warren,  lords of the underground, common, arrested development,  big l, black sheep, and eric & rakim. They weren't gangsta rappers/groups.  Also on one thing, you said that golden age rap died when the west-east coast rap war began. it didn't begin until Tupac was shot in late 1994 and the only reason why it happened in the first place was because Tupac believed that biggie and puff daddy knew that he was going to be ambushed by a gang and didn't warn him about it which made Tupac think that they caused the ambush when bad boy records had nothing to do with the ambush, so it was actually a huge misunderstanding. That's what caused the rap war and it shouldn't have happened at all.

Since you lived in Ohio, was that state ahead of pop culture times and because you were in high school during the early 90s, did you really see everyone in your school change fashion immediately when 1993 came?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/19/14 at 7:00 pm


You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.


I remember the super soakers and TMNT. I had a TV in my room and watched it myself since the age of 4. Pop culture moves much slower to children and adults than to teenagers. How is that difficult to grasp?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 7:36 pm


when I said i doubt those shows were popular over TMNT i meant that people didn't stop watching TMNT when the 3rd movie turned out to be awful. In fact,  all 3 cartoons were watched by everyone and it didn't matter how old the cartoons were.  Besides, both x-men and batman premiered way before the third TMNT movie. Therefore, they all were already popular.  Cartoons spoof things all the time, so this isnt new. Yeah, you're right,  they didn't play with super soakers when they were new, but you also said that they began using them in the late 90s and that was inaccurate because like i said, they could have used them in the mid 90s as they were the perfect age to use super soakers since they were 5 to 9 years old during that era.  Yes, i know what a colleague is. It's an associate (classmate) or coworker. College students wear all the popular fashion items like high schoolers too.  Like I said, they're not that different. If whoomp wasn't a classic, why has it been referenced in TV programs and other things? I don't think a 90s kid would write wikipedia articles as that would be an opinion, not fact.  Btw, rap didn't die in 1993, it changed and once again, not all mid 90s rap was gangsta rap. What about jay-z, nas, a tribe called quest, g Warren,  lords of the underground, common, arrested development,  big l, black sheep, and eric & rakim. They weren't gangsta rappers/groups.  Also on one thing, you said that golden age rap died when the west-east coast rap war began. it didn't begin until Tupac was shot in late 1994 and the only reason why it happened in the first place was because Tupac believed that biggie and puff daddy knew that he was going to be ambushed by a gang and didn't warn him about it which made Tupac think that they caused the ambush when bad boy records had nothing to do with the ambush, so it was actually a huge misunderstanding. That's what caused the rap war and it shouldn't have happened at all.

Since you lived in Ohio, was that state ahead of pop culture times and because you were in high school during the early 90s, did you really see everyone in your school change fashion immediately when 1993 came?


Again, you're imagining all three shows were popular since you were a baby at the time. You were too young to see the mid 90s for what they were. You're writing a fairy tale when I witnessed the real story.
I know that both Batman the Animated Series and X-Men the Animated Series debuted in the fall of 1992. It wasn't way before the third film came out. I wasn't just talking about any Super Soaker, I spoke of the classic first ones (50 and 100). They go for a lot on the black market. College students are far more mature than High Schoolers. They do not wear the same clothes. Collegians dress more like their parents do in any era. "Whoops! There It Is" was used a reference in many shows and movies at the time because it was popular at the time. It still isn't up there with the three I mentioned. I claimed that the Golden Age of rap was dead in 1993, not the genre. Snoop Doggy Dog and the Wu Tang Clan weren't singing about anything important. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G weren't political rappers like Public Enemy, Arrested Development or Boogie Down Productions. Arrested Development and Black Sheep's most well known albums were released in 1991 and '92 respectfully.

To be honest with you, the grunge fashion was starting to seep in around late '92. At that time, people were wearing thrift store clothes and not flannel. Leather jackets and dirty looking purple shirts were primarily worn. Around the spring of 1993, I noticed children even wearing flannel and a white shirt underneath. In the early 90s, most Americans were trying to break away from the looks of the 1980s. I remember my Father saying in 1990, "It's still the 80s". To be fair, that was uttered before the recession began. 1990 was most like 1989 with '92 being the least. 1993 was like the sum of the early 90s. That's why I probably do not see it as another year of the early 90s. In a way, 1990 was the total of all three years that happened before it. That effect started to wear off in mid 1991. All of the sudden, shows like "Monsters", "Out of this World" and "My Secret identity" were cancelled. The new shows were "Ren and Stimpy", "Rugrats", and "Home Improvement". After seeing all of that Ren and Stimpy merchandise in 1993, I came to the conclusion that we definitely weren't in the early 90s anymore. The "'89 vibe" was just wasn't there in 1993. It felt like a new time because of the new things introduced in the years 1990,1991 and 1992 were at the forefront in 1993 an it was unavoidable. For example, from '89 to '93, flannel was used for its purpose and not an anti-fashion statement. Then, in 1993, all of that changed. The flannel and Nirvana shirt trend was more of a '94 event. 1994 made '93 look like an innocent time by comparison. The World Trade Center bombing and NAFTA signing happened in 1993. Worst of all, when a person looks back on the 90s, most will realize the best time to have been a child was from 1990 to the start of 1993. Everything fell apart after 1992. I'm not just saying this because I love those years. 1992 really was the last great year for pop culture. Americans saw Quentin Tarantino's first flick, Sir Mix-a-Lot sing about backs Martin Lawrence say wussup, the Cold War ending and Wayne's World (created in 1988, but it's the best SNL flick) in Theaters. The 90s were never great after that to anyone over the age of five. In terms of decades, the title goes to the 1980s although the early 90s had their moments.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 7:39 pm


I remember the super soakers and TMNT. I had a TV in my room and watched it myself since the age of 4. Pop culture moves much slower to children and adults than to teenagers. How is that difficult to grasp?


Okay, you remember what a Super Soaker generally looks like. Have you ever played with the first ones? You know, the 50 and 100? Gosh, as I type this, I'm thinking, "Man, I love the early 90s". Super Soakers, Zubaz pants, Hypercolor shirts and colorful socks…what a time....

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: meesa on 09/19/14 at 8:45 pm

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/19/14 at 9:25 pm


Again, you're imagining all three shows were popular since you were a baby at the time. You were too young to see the mid 90s for what they were. You're writing a fairy tale when I witnessed the real story.
I know that both Batman the Animated Series and X-Men the Animated Series debuted in the fall of 1992. It wasn't way before the third film came out. I wasn't just talking about any Super Soaker, I spoke of the classic first ones (50 and 100). They go for a lot on the black market. College students are far more mature than High Schoolers. They do not wear the same clothes. Collegians dress more like their parents do in any era. "Whoops! There It Is" was used a reference in many shows and movies at the time because it was popular at the time. It still isn't up there with the three I mentioned. I claimed that the Golden Age of rap was dead in 1993, not the genre. Snoop Doggy Dog and the Wu Tang Clan weren't singing about anything important. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G weren't political rappers like Public Enemy, Arrested Development or Boogie Down Productions. Arrested Development and Black Sheep's most well known albums were released in 1991 and '92 respectfully.

To be honest with you, the grunge fashion was starting to seep in around late '92. At that time, people were wearing thrift store clothes and not flannel. Leather jackets and dirty looking purple shirts were primarily worn. Around the spring of 1993, I noticed children even wearing flannel and a white shirt underneath. In the early 90s, most Americans were trying to break away from the looks of the 1980s. I remember my Father saying in 1990, "It's still the 80s". To be fair, that was uttered before the recession began. 1990 was most like 1989 with '92 being the least. 1993 was like the sum of the early 90s. That's why I probably do not see it as another year of the early 90s. In a way, 1990 was the total of all three years that happened before it. That effect started to wear off in mid 1991. All of the sudden, shows like "Monsters", "Out of this World" and "My Secret identity" were cancelled. The new shows were "Ren and Stimpy", "Rugrats", and "Home Improvement". After seeing all of that Ren and Stimpy merchandise in 1993, I came to the conclusion that we definitely weren't in the early 90s anymore. The "'89 vibe" was just wasn't there in 1993. It felt like a new time because of the new things introduced in the years 1990,1991 and 1992 were at the forefront in 1993 an it was unavoidable. For example, from '89 to '93, flannel was used for its purpose and not an anti-fashion statement. Then, in 1993, all of that changed. The flannel and Nirvana shirt trend was more of a '94 event. 1994 made '93 look like an innocent time by comparison. The World Trade Center bombing and NAFTA signing happened in 1993. Worst of all, when a person looks back on the 90s, most will realize the best time to have been a child was from 1990 to the start of 1993. Everything fell apart after 1992. I'm not just saying this because I love those years. 1992 really was the last great year for pop culture. Americans saw Quentin Tarantino's first flick, Sir Mix-a-Lot sing about backs Martin Lawrence say wussup, the Cold War ending and Wayne's World (created in 1988, but it's the best SNL flick) in Theaters. The 90s were never great after that to anyone over the age of five. In terms of decades, the title goes to the 1980s although the early 90s had their moments.
You're right I was young, but that doesn't mean I can't post my view. Yeah, both shows premiered; however soon after, they were popular along the TMNT cartoon. I know you were just talking about the classics ones, but I can see late 80s babies using the super soakers 50 and 100 in the mid 90s even though they weren't new then. Yes, college students are more mature. however, they are still part of the target audience of pop culture like high schoolers and middle schoolers; therefore, I see them wearing popular items and talking about the latest things. That song has also been reference used after it was popular too. The golden age of rap didnt die in 1993, there were still good tracks that didnt have a gangsta vibe. What do you mean Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G werent political rappers like Public Enemy? whats the difference? Yes, Arrested Development and Black Sheep's best albums were released in those 2 years, but they still made music after that.


Did you observe all of this in high school and around the city?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/19/14 at 9:34 pm


http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.
You're right. this is a friendly site talking about pop culture and you're also right that who was the first to play with super soakers isn't important.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 10:19 pm


You're right I was young, but that doesn't mean I can't post my view. Yeah, both shows premiered; however soon after, they were popular along the TMNT cartoon. I know you were just talking about the classics ones, but I can see late 80s babies using the super soakers 50 and 100 in the mid 90s even though they weren't new then. Yes, college students are more mature. however, they are still part of the target audience of pop culture like high schoolers and middle schoolers; therefore, I see them wearing popular items and talking about the latest things. That song has also been reference used after it was popular too. The golden age of rap didnt die in 1993, there were still good tracks that didnt have a gangsta vibe. What do you mean Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G werent political rappers like Public Enemy? whats the difference? Yes, Arrested Development and Black Sheep's best albums were released in those 2 years, but they still made music after that.


Did you observe all of this in high school and around the city?


This has gone on for way too long and it's off topic.

You were young, therefore you cannot post your views on the topic. How do you know both shows were popular alongside the original Ninja Turtles cartoon when you were only a baby at the time? You can see late 80s babies using Super Soaker 50 and 100, it doesn't mean they used them. Collegians may still talk about popular culture but they do not wear what's in. The golden age of rap DID die in 1993. How are you going to tell me it didn't die when you were only an infant in '93?! You thought there were still some good tracks! You being the subject and not rap fans. That's your opinion. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G did not rap about the way of the world like Public Enemy or Arrested Development did. I'm aware that Black Sheep and Arrested Development made music after that but it was never as good as what was on their debuts.

How can you not know what the trends and fads are of a time? People have to buy clothes. Flannel is all you saw in department stores at one time in the mid 1990s. I stand by my fact that 1993-1996 were the darkest years of the 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 10:23 pm


http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.


That was an A B conversation.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/19/14 at 10:28 pm

No one can truly answer the question listed as the topic of the thread. Those born in the 70s will say the early 90s weren't dark. Children of the 90s will post that no part of the 90s was as dim as a post 9/11 year. An 80s fan will state that every year of the 90s was filled with angst because of "that darn Grunge music that was so awful". Others will try to get someone who disagrees with them to see things their way. To each it's own.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 12:33 am


This has gone on for way too long and it's off topic.

You were young, therefore you cannot post your views on the topic. How do you know both shows were popular alongside the original Ninja Turtles cartoon when you were only a baby at the time? You can see late 80s babies using Super Soaker 50 and 100, it doesn't mean they used them. Collegians may still talk about popular culture but they do not wear what's in. The golden age of rap DID die in 1993. How are you going to tell me it didn't die when you were only an infant in '93?! You thought there were still some good tracks! You being the subject and not rap fans. That's your opinion. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G did not rap about the way of the world like Public Enemy or Arrested Development did. I'm aware that Black Sheep and Arrested Development made music after that but it was never as good as what was on their debuts.

How can you not know what the trends and fads are of a time? People have to buy clothes. Flannel is all you saw in department stores at one time in the mid 1990s. I stand by my fact that 1993-1996 were the darkest years of the 90s.
Yes, I was. however, I can still post on the topic. I know because they were popular until the Batman series ended in 1995 while TMNT ended in 1996 and X-Men ended in 1997; therefore, they were all popular during the mid 90s. Late 80s babies did use them, but it wasnt until the mid 90s because they were considered too young to play with huge water guns. I mean with a super soaker you need both hands and as a 2/3 year old, it was too big for them. It didnt die, songs of 1993 to 1996 are also considered classics, so that means the golden age continued until the late 90s. also, I am a rap fan. I've been listening to rap since the 90s and I have listen to some before that period. They probably didnt because they wanted to have their own sound and all of them along with Public Enemy and Arrested Development have classic songs that can be replayed over and over again.

I do know. In the mid 90s, there wasnt just flannel. there was also overalls, baggy jeans, fila shoes, Jncos, scrunchies, butterfly clips, the cesar cuts, eraser-head afros, braids, pixie cuts, bowl cuts, jordans, dark make-up, tucked in clothing, bald-heads, plaid and denim clothing. Fads were power rangers, SNES, Sega Genesis, Disney, dial-up, gameboy, rap, grunge, PS1, Sega Saturn, the golden age of nicktoons, VHS tapes, All That, Boy Meets World, Sister sister, Snick, and being slimed on Nickelodeon.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: BayAreaNostalgist1981 on 09/20/14 at 2:30 am


You doubt those shows were popular from late '92 to 1994 because you were an infant. Therefore, you cannot talk about anything that occurred from '93 to '96. I dare you to look at the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles episodes of 1994. They spoof almost everything from Batman the Animated Series, that is why they are referred to as the "Red Sky" episodes by the fans. According to you, when were those two shows ever popular since you are such an expert on all things 90s despite being born in '93? Ask any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan which film they did not like the most and they'll tell you the third film. I know how long the Turtles were on for but the craze ended in 1993! AGAIN, I SAID THE LATE 80S BABIES NEVER PLAYED WITH THE SUPER SOAKER 50 OR 100 WHEN THEY WERE NEW. DO YOU PAY ATTENTION?! High Schoolers wear the fashions of the times, not Collegians. Do you know what a colleague is?  "Whoops! Others It Is!" wasn't a classic like the other three I listed. It was an annoying song with an obnoxious singer who got on people's nerves. It was no different from "Who Let the Dogs Out?".That Golden Age rap article was more than likely written by a "90s kid". People my age would not waste their time writing Wikipedia articles. Of course a "90s kid" wants everyone to see his side to things. Like I said before, rap died in 1993 with posers like Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Wu Tang Clan. 1993-1996 were the darkest years out of the whole 90s. That is only my view on things.

I was born in '77 and resided in Dayton, Ohio for most of the 1990s. Why does that matter here? I have nothing to prove.


Bro I understand TMNT (and the early 90s pop culture in general) is probably close to your heart so you feel kinda "protective" of it... but someone not being born/not being old enough at the time doesn't perclude them from having an opinion or being able to comment on it (if that was true no historians could ever talk about stuff from past centuries!).  ;D Its that kind of elitist attitude about some nostalgists that turns me off....maybe because so much of what I like and grew up on is from 1980 1982 or 1985 - i.e. right before I was born or when I was really small...so I'm bound to stick up for anyone else who does too.

Sure, the "coolest", most cutting edge relevant pop culture in 1995 may have been pure 90s... but that doesn't mean there wasn't still some 80s aesthetic hanging around, and it certainly doesn't mean people (including young kids) can't get into things later. I did that with many many things.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/20/14 at 6:51 am


http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls400eJKpe1r317bvo1_250.gif

Is this really something to get excited about? I-played-with-that-before-you-did-so-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaaaaaaahhh.
Come on, let's play nice. There isn't a test later for who REALLY played with the supersoaker first.


;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: af2010 on 09/20/14 at 7:11 am

Not sure if TheEarly90sGuy thinks I'm allowed to talk about this (I was born in 87), but I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying. I've always seen 92 as the last really "old school" year. The whole ~88-92 period seems kind of like its own era. More edgy/urban than the core 80s culture, but still a strong "80s vibe". 93 seems a lot less cheesy in comparison. That could be because 93 is the first year I have a decently strong memory of, so 92 seems more vague and "old school" to me personally, but it really does seem like there was a cultural shift around 92/93.

Then around 97/98, teen pop exploded and pop culture became more up-beat and happy again. So I would agree that neither the early or late 90s were really dark. That would be the mid 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 7:34 am


Not sure if TheEarly90sGuy thinks I'm allowed to talk about this (I was born in 87), but I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying. I've always seen 92 as the last really "old school" year. The whole ~88-92 period seems kind of like its own era. More edgy/urban than the core 80s culture, but still a strong "80s vibe". 93 seems a lot less cheesy in comparison. That could be because 93 is the first year I have a decently strong memory of, so 92 seems more vague and "old school" to me personally, but it really does seem like there was a cultural shift around 92/93.

Then around 97/98, teen pop exploded and pop culture became more up-beat and happy again. So I would agree that neither the early or late 90s were really dark. That would be the mid 90s.



I was born very close to you but have a different view. The very late 90s were bubbly on the surface but much darker underneath.

The very late 90s and very early 00s were extremely dark.
This song was from 2000 and this was the vibe I remember:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20jvV-BPNSk

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 7:39 am


Bro I understand TMNT (and the early 90s pop culture in general) is probably close to your heart so you feel kinda "protective" of it... but someone not being born/not being old enough at the time doesn't perclude them from having an opinion or being able to comment on it (if that was true no historians could ever talk about stuff from past centuries!).  ;D Its that kind of elitist attitude about some nostalgists that turns me off....maybe because so much of what I like and grew up on is from 1980 1982 or 1985 - i.e. right before I was born or when I was really small...so I'm bound to stick up for anyone else who does too.

Sure, the "coolest", most cutting edge relevant pop culture in 1995 may have been pure 90s... but that doesn't mean there wasn't still some 80s aesthetic hanging around, and it certainly doesn't mean people (including young kids) can't get into things later. I did that with many many things.


I hate it when people with later memories try to tell it how it was for everyone else. I remember the adult contemporary songs of the early 90s word for word.

I was precocious and had an early memory so I have vivid memories of 1990 and even some flash memories of the late 80s. This makes me feel older than my age.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:20 am


Not sure if TheEarly90sGuy thinks I'm allowed to talk about this (I was born in 87), but I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying. I've always seen 92 as the last really "old school" year. The whole ~88-92 period seems kind of like its own era. More edgy/urban than the core 80s culture, but still a strong "80s vibe". 93 seems a lot less cheesy in comparison. That could be because 93 is the first year I have a decently strong memory of, so 92 seems more vague and "old school" to me personally, but it really does seem like there was a cultural shift around 92/93.

Then around 97/98, teen pop exploded and pop culture became more up-beat and happy again. So I would agree that neither the early or late 90s were really dark. That would be the mid 90s.


Talk on. Thank you.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:21 am


Bro I understand TMNT (and the early 90s pop culture in general) is probably close to your heart so you feel kinda "protective" of it... but someone not being born/not being old enough at the time doesn't perclude them from having an opinion or being able to comment on it (if that was true no historians could ever talk about stuff from past centuries!).  ;D Its that kind of elitist attitude about some nostalgists that turns me off....maybe because so much of what I like and grew up on is from 1980 1982 or 1985 - i.e. right before I was born or when I was really small...so I'm bound to stick up for anyone else who does too.

Sure, the "coolest", most cutting edge relevant pop culture in 1995 may have been pure 90s... but that doesn't mean there wasn't still some 80s aesthetic hanging around, and it certainly doesn't mean people (including young kids) can't get into things later. I did that with many many things.


How can they talk about it when they weren't there?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:34 am


Yes, I was. however, I can still post on the topic. I know because they were popular until the Batman series ended in 1995 while TMNT ended in 1996 and X-Men ended in 1997; therefore, they were all popular during the mid 90s. Late 80s babies did use them, but it wasnt until the mid 90s because they were considered too young to play with huge water guns. I mean with a super soaker you need both hands and as a 2/3 year old, it was too big for them. It didnt die, songs of 1993 to 1996 are also considered classics, so that means the golden age continued until the late 90s. also, I am a rap fan. I've been listening to rap since the 90s and I have listen to some before that period. They probably didnt because they wanted to have their own sound and all of them along with Public Enemy and Arrested Development have classic songs that can be replayed over and over again.

I do know. In the mid 90s, there wasnt just flannel. there was also overalls, baggy jeans, fila shoes, Jncos, scrunchies, butterfly clips, the cesar cuts, eraser-head afros, braids, pixie cuts, bowl cuts, jordans, dark make-up, tucked in clothing, bald-heads, plaid and denim clothing. Fads were power rangers, SNES, Sega Genesis, Disney, dial-up, gameboy, rap, grunge, PS1, Sega Saturn, the golden age of nicktoons, VHS tapes, All That, Boy Meets World, Sister sister, Snick, and being slimed on Nickelodeon.


Your post sound similar to my old ones on another forum. I remember trying to convince 80s people that the late 80s and early 90s were just as wonderful as the mid 80s were. Of course, they weren't having it. Those same people were told off by punk rockers that 1980-1983 were the only great years of the 1980s. All 80s fans heard 70s people tell them how much better the 70s were when compared to the 80s. So, 80s fans had hear about how all of the innocence was gone once Ronald was President and MTV was on the tube.


You can't tell me when all three shows were popular because you were an infant. I have my views and you have what is listed on-line. Please stop trying, this isn't even on topic. Songs of the mid 90s may be classics to children and teens of that time, but they aren't a part of the Golden Age of rap. I know what I'm talking about. Even the cheesy pop phase of rap was dead in 1993.


FYI, all of those styles you mentioned were mainly from late 90s, not 1993-1996. I know what the fads of the mid 90s were. You didn't need to tell me that. I wasn't born yesterday. The shows you brought up were never pop culture like The Wonder Years, Full House, Ren and Stimpy or even the Rugrats.

I'm not agreeing with you. I stick by my word, the mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. There was so much flannel in the mid 90s you would look away and think the sky was red and black.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:36 am


;D


That was pretty funny.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:39 am


I hate it when people with later memories try to tell it how it was for everyone else. I remember the adult contemporary songs of the early 90s word for word.

I was precocious and had an early memory so I have vivid memories of 1990 and even some flash memories of the late 80s. This makes me feel older than my age.


If a person with "later memories" isn't around to speak of what happened at the time, then who will speak of what the times were like when so and so came out?! Huh?! ???

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/20/14 at 12:37 pm


How can they talk about it when they weren't there?


So we all should stop talking about the time before our birth? Go tell that all the history teachers  ;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 1:01 pm


So we all should stop talking about the time before our birth? Go tell that all the history teachers  ;D


They read from a textbook and imagine what happened. They weren't there. ;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/20/14 at 1:04 pm

This guy's stuff about the "golden age" of rap is what is silliest to me. For one that term is extremely subjective, and two any actual rap fan old or young would tell you that there was a plethora of awesome hip hop being released in the mid 1990s. Albums like Illmatic and Ready to Die being a couple of examples. I've always felt that rap peaked between 1991 and 1995, and many people feel the deaths of 2pac and Biggie put an end to a classic era of hip hop.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 1:19 pm


This guy's stuff about the "golden age" of rap is what is silliest to me. For one that term is extremely subjective, and two any actual rap fan old or young would tell you that there was a plethora of awesome hip hop being released in the mid 1990s. Albums like Illmatic and Ready to Die being a couple of examples. I've always felt that rap peaked between 1991 and 1995, and many people feel the deaths of 2pac and Biggie put an end to a classic era of hip hop.


Umm…the guy is right here. Awesome hip hop does not equal Golden Age rap. YOU have always felt like rap peaked from 1991 to 1995, not all rap fans. B.I.G. isn't up there with Public Enemy, Black Sheep and Arrested Development. He never was nor will he ever be. He was Silver Age then and still is now.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/20/14 at 1:23 pm


Umm…the guy is right here. Awesome hip hop does not equal Golden Age rap. YOU have always felt like rap peaked from 1991 to 1995, not all rap fans. B.I.G. isn't up there with Public Enemy, Black Sheep and Arrested Development. He never was nor will he ever be. He was Silver Age then and still is now.


That too sounds like a personal opinion, not a fact. However, it is a fact to say that B.I.G is generally as acclaimed and placed on the same level as any of them (Arrested Development? Pretty sure Biggie would trump them). The fact that you apparently detest him and call yourself a rap fan clearly makes you a minority on the issue. This Golden Age/Silver Age BS is just some subjective concoction you've devised in your own head.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 1:28 pm


Your post sound similar to my old ones on another forum. I remember trying to convince 80s people that the late 80s and early 90s were just as wonderful as the mid 80s were. Of course, they weren't having it. Those same people were told off by punk rockers that 1980-1983 were the only great years of the 1980s. All 80s fans heard 70s people tell them how much better the 70s were when compared to the 80s. So, 80s fans had hear about how all of the innocence was gone once Ronald was President and MTV was on the tube.


You can't tell me when all three shows were popular because you were an infant. I have my views and you have what is listed on-line. Please stop trying, this isn't even on topic. Songs of the mid 90s may be classics to children and teens of that time, but they aren't a part of the Golden Age of rap. I know what I'm talking about. Even the cheesy pop phase of rap was dead in 1993.


FYI, all of those styles you mentioned were mainly from late 90s, not 1993-1996. I know what the fads of the mid 90s were. You didn't need to tell me that. I wasn't born yesterday. The shows you brought up were never pop culture like The Wonder Years, Full House, Ren and Stimpy or even the Rugrats.

I'm not agreeing with you. I stick by my word, the mid 90s were darker than both the early and late 90s. There was so much flannel in the mid 90s you would look away and think the sky was red and black.
Yep, I see this all the time. However, thats a generalization because there are some people out there who like other generations pop culture.

I know I cant, but all I was saying was that all those shows were popular in the mid 90s and they weren't popular over the other. Another thing, not only were those songs classics to children and teens, but they were also classics to adults as well. In fact, both of my parents own both early 90s and mid 90s rap CDS and they have all of those classics on their phones. I also even have all those classics on my phone and I listen to them on YouTube too. I've listened to rap songs from 1993 and some still had the cheesy pop phase. If golden age of rap ended in 1993, then why is Snoop Dogg, Wu-Tang Clan, Dr, Dre, Redman, Outkast and Nas listed in the page?

I think you need to look at the page again and see the notable artists listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Heres a quote from Wikipedia listing the time frame of golden age rap from the first book

In the book Contemporary Youth Culture, the "golden age era" is described as being "from 1987–1999", coming after "the old school era: from 1979 to 1985

Here another quote from another book

In Icons of Hip Hop : An Encyclopedia of the Movement, Music, and Culture (Greenwood Icons) the golden age of hip hop is described by scholar Mickey Hess as "circa 1986-1994

Are you sure about the styles? Most of those were universally in the whole 90s. You also do realize all of those shows were in the mid 90s right? Sister, Sister didnt even end until 1999. Boy Meets World didnt end until 2000, the first All That didnt end until 2000. therefore, they were part of the mid 90s pop culture.

Was flannel really the only thing that made the mid 90s dark? and BTW, 1993 is also part of the early 90s.





To the OP of the topic - No. I dont see the late 90s as a dark era. In fact, most of the 90s was actually happy as the style of pop culture didnt have much of a dark tune in it.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 1:34 pm


That too sounds like a personal opinion, not a fact. However, it is a fact to say that B.I.G is generally as acclaimed and placed on the same level as any of them (Arrested Development? Pretty sure Biggie would trump them). The fact that you apparently detest him and call yourself a rap fan clearly makes you a minority on the issue. This Golden Age/Silver Age BS is just some subjective concoction you've devised in your own head.


It wasn't a personal opinion and stay on topic. B.I.G. was not a political rapper like N.W.A., Arrested Development or Public Enemy. I know what I'm talking about. You think B.I.G. could trump them but his music is what killed off Yo!MTV Raps. The Golden Age existed and you just can't handle that truth. The Golden Age of rap lasted from '88 to 1993. I'm not making this up.

Also, did you think the late 90s were darker than the early 90s?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/20/14 at 1:49 pm


It wasn't a personal opinion and stay on topic. B.I.G. was not a political rapper like N.W.A., Arrested Development or Public Enemy. I know what I'm talking about. You think B.I.G. could trump them but his music is what killed off Yo!MTV Raps. The Golden Age existed and you just can't handle that truth. The Golden Age of rap lasted from '88 to 1993. I'm not making this up.

Also, did you think the late 90s were darker than the early 90s?


MTV's decline killed off Yo!MTV Raps. By the mid 1990s MTV was a shell of its former self. Had nothing to do with Biggie and everything to do with the network being run by out of touch businessmen by that point. And you've probably never listened to Biggie if you don't think he talked about social issues in some of his tracks.

And yes, you are making this up. Can you show me some research by others about this rap golden age that backs up what you're saying (the exact dates)? Can you back it up with examples? Otherwise everything that you're saying is personal opinion. Pulling dates out of thin air, essentially.

And I already mentioned this but I'll say the early 90s were "darker" than the late 90s for no reason other than the fact that crime rates in the early 90s were astronomically high. The violent crime rate in the United States peaked in 1991. That seems pretty dark to me.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 1:58 pm


Yep, I see this all the time. However, thats a generalization because there are some people out there who like other generations pop culture.


Where are these people you speak of? 


I know I cant, but all I was saying was that all those shows were popular in the mid 90s and they weren't popular over the other. Another thing, not only were those songs classics to children and teens, but they were also classics to adults as well. In fact, both of my parents own both early 90s and mid 90s rap CDS and they have all of those classics on their phones. I also even have all those classics on my phone and I listen to them on YouTube too. I've listened to rap songs from 1993 and some still had the cheesy pop phase. If golden age of rap ended in 1993, then why is Snoop Dogg, Wu-Tang Clan, Dr, Dre, Redman, Outkast and Nas listed in the page?

I think you need to look at the page again and see the notable artists listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

Heres a quote from Wikipedia listing the time frame of golden age rap from the first book

Here another quote from another book


Exactly, you know you can't so don't! The shows you listed were not popular in the mid 1990s. These shows were hits in that time : Friends, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman,X-Files, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Party of Five. Just because your parents listened to music from the mid 90s doesn't mean it is to be included with classics from the early 90s. Of course you listen to rap songs from the year you were born as it was the year you were born in. 1993 did not have any MC Hammers, Vanilla Ices or Kris Krosses. I know because I was alive then. All of those (c)rappers you listed were on that Wikipedia page because a "90s kid" much like yourself made it. I'm not looking at anything you post because I stand by what I know to be true. Like I said before, we do not see eye to eye. You are talking from your imagination and I was there to witness everything in actuality. 



Are you sure about the styles? Most of those were universally in the whole 90s. You also do realize all of those shows were in the mid 90s right? Sister, Sister didnt even end until 1999. Boy Meets World didnt end until 2000, the first All That didnt end until 2000. therefore, they were part of the mid 90s pop culture. 

Was flannel really the only thing that made the mid 90s dark? and BTW, 1993 is also part of the early 90s.


I'm positive about the styles as I WAS THERE! Those were not universally 90s styles. YOU WEREN'T EVEN ALIVE BEFORE 1993! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THOSE WERE UNIVERSAL 90S STYLES?! Those crappy shows you mentioned are not a part of mid 90s pop culture! When we look back on 1993, we do not say to ourselves, "Wow, that Wonder Years rip-off of a vehicle for Ben Savage premiered in 1993"? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT POP CULTURE IS?!

No, flannel wasn't the only thing that made the mid 90s dark. The mid 90s were the "Grunge days" of the 90s. You couldn't go anywhere without being reminded that Kurt Cobain died. When the news coverage wasn't on, My So Called Life was. Ugh, K-Mart sold flannel for some time in 1995 and '96.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT 1993 WAS A PART OF THE EARLY 90S. AS SOON AS HW BUSH LEFT OFFICE, THE EARLY 90S WERE OVER! AS SOON AS CLINTON CAME IN, AN OVERLOAD OF GRUNGE AND GANGSTA RAP MUSIC FOLLOWED.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:04 pm


MTV's decline killed off Yo!MTV Raps. By the mid 1990s MTV was a shell of its former self. Had nothing to do with Biggie and everything to do with the network being run by out of touch businessmen by that point. And you've probably never listened to Biggie if you don't think he talked about social issues in some of his tracks.

And yes, you are making this up. Can you show me some research by others about this rap golden age that backs up what you're saying (the exact dates)? Can you back it up with examples? Otherwise everything that you're saying is personal opinion. Pulling dates out of thin air, essentially.

And I already mentioned this but I'll say the early 90s were "darker" than the late 90s for no reason other than the fact that crime rates in the early 90s were astronomically high. The violent crime rate in the United States peaked in 1991. That seems pretty dark to me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

http://hiphopdatabase.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_age_hip-hop

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGoldenAgeOfHipHop


Yep, I was making it up. Me being the Early 90s guy and all....

I think the OP meant, "Pop culturally were the late 90s darker than the early 90s"? In that case, yes they were. You are correct about one thing. There were high crime rates and a recession in the early 90s. Our recession was nowhere near as bad as the early 80s one.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/20/14 at 2:05 pm


Where are these people you speak of? 

Exactly, you know you can't so don't! The shows you listed were not popular in the mid 1990s. These shows were hits in that time : Friends, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman,X-Files, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Party of Five. Just because your parents listened to music from the mid 90s doesn't mean it is to be included with classics from the early 90s. Of course you listen to rap songs from the year you were born as it was the year you were born in. 1993 did not have any MC Hammers, Vanilla Ices or Kris Krosses. I know because I was alive then. All of those (c)rappers you listed were on that Wikipedia page because a "90s kid" much like yourself made it. I'm not looking at anything you post because I stand by what I know to be true. Like I said before, we do not see eye to eye. You are talking from your imagination and I was there to witness everything in actuality. 


I'm positive about the styles as I WAS THERE! Those were not universally 90s styles. YOU WEREN'T EVEN ALIVE BEFORE 1993! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THOSE WERE UNIVERSAL 90S STYLES?! Those crappy shows you mentioned are not a part of mid 90s pop culture! When we look back on 1993, we do not say to ourselves, "Wow, that Wonder Years rip-off of a vehicle for Ben Savage premiered in 1993"? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT POP CULTURE IS?!

No, flannel wasn't the only thing that made the mid 90s dark. The mid 90s were the "Grunge days" of the 90s. You couldn't go anywhere without being reminded that Kurt Cobain died. When the news coverage wasn't on, My So Called Life was. Ugh, K-Mart sold flannel for some time in 1995 and '96.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT 1993 WAS A PART OF THE EARLY 90S. AS SOON AS HW BUSH LEFT OFFICE, THE EARLY 90S WERE OVER! AS SOON AS CLINTON CAME IN, AN OVERLOAD OF GRUNGE AND GANGSTA RAP MUSIC FOLLOWED.


U mad bro?  ::)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:06 pm


U mad bro?  ::)


Stupidity will make a person go mad.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 2:14 pm


If a person with "later memories" isn't around to speak of what happened at the time, then who will speak of what the times were like when so and so came out?! Huh?! ???


I mean some people's memories start earlier in life than others, even when born around the same time.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:24 pm

Why do I get the feeling this thread will go on forever and ever until anonymous person gets their last word in over the other? Worst of all, none of what they are saying is on topic. Jquar claimed he thought the early 90s were darker than the late 90s. Mxcrashxm says all years of the 90s were happy times.
  I stated the middle part of the 90s were far dimmer than both periods of the 1990s. The OP sees the late 90s as the time of Marilyn Manson and Korn. He's right, for nu-metal fans it was. What does AL-B think?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:25 pm


People born in the late 80s could have used water guns in the early 90s like the super soaker 50. If someone was born in January 1987, they would be 5 throughout 1992.


Its possible, but I nor you will ever know for sure. I love the Super Soaker 50 and 100, those were best two guns and the most memorable out of all of them. Good times.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/20/14 at 2:25 pm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

http://hiphopdatabase.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_age_hip-hop

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGoldenAgeOfHipHop


Yep, I was making it up. Me being the Early 90s guy and all....

I think the OP meant, "Pop culturally were the late 90s darker than the early 90s"? In that case, yes they were. You are correct about one thing. There were high crime rates and a recession in the early 90s. Our recession was nowhere near as bad as the early 80s one.


And as mrcrash said, all those links disagree on the exact dates. 1986 to 1994, 1988 to 1993, 1985 to 1997.... you're not going to find a concrete answer here dude. You happen to arbitrarily dislike anything after April 30, 1993, but that doesn't mean that that's a firm cutoff point in rap's history.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:28 pm


And as mrcrash said, all those links disagree on the exact dates. 1986 to 1994, 1988 to 1993, 1985 to 1997.... you're not going to find a concrete answer here dude. You happen to arbitrarily dislike anything after April 30, 1993, but that doesn't mean that that's a firm cutoff point in rap's history.


Rap went on past April 30th of 1993 but it wasn't Golden Age rap. The exact date was 1987-1993 for the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

I arbitrarily dislike everything from January of 1993, not April 30, 1993. 1992 was my last favorite year. That doesn't matter on a thread like this one.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/20/14 at 2:30 pm


Rap went on past April 30th of 1993 but it wasn't Golden Age rap. The exact date was 1987-1993 for the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

I arbitrarily dislike everything from January of 1993, not April 30, 1993. 1992 was my last favorite year. That doesn't matter on a thread like this one.


Right... clearly no reasoning with you.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/20/14 at 2:31 pm


Rap went on past April 30th of 1993 but it wasn't Golden Age rap. The exact date was 1987-1993 for the Golden Age of Hip Hop.

I arbitrarily dislike everything from January of 1993, not April 30, 1993. 1992 was my last favorite year. That doesn't matter on a thread like this one.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/3834668-2105581972-thats.jpg

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:35 pm


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/3834668-2105581972-thats.jpg


Iiiiii knnnnowwwww thhaaaaaaaat.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:36 pm


Right... clearly no reasoning with you.


Nope.  :)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 2:48 pm

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9I74focpaSM/VAigIeYmp2I/AAAAAAAAC_c/1DPC-LXHZhA/s1600/neworder.gif


It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 2:55 pm


People born in the late 80s could have used water guns in the early 90s like the super soaker 50. If someone was born in January 1987, they would be 5 throughout 1992.
Oh damn. You're right. I forgot about that. Yes, people born in 1987 did use super soakers in the early 90s. I bet even a 1988 baby also played with super soakers in 1992 and 1993 considering that he/she was 4/5 years old. As a result, TheEarly90sGuy is wrong. Now that I think about it, A 1987 baby could have also used super soakers in 1991 as well as he/she was 4 at the time meaning that late 80s babies were also the perfect age to play with super soakers in the early 90s and not just the mid 90s. Thanks for clearing up. I can't believe I forgot.


Where are these people you speak of? 

Exactly, you know you can't so don't! The shows you listed were not popular in the mid 1990s. These shows were hits in that time : Friends, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman,X-Files, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and Party of Five. Just because your parents listened to music from the mid 90s doesn't mean it is to be included with classics from the early 90s. Of course you listen to rap songs from the year you were born as it was the year you were born in. 1993 did not have any MC Hammers, Vanilla Ices or Kris Krosses. I know because I was alive then. All of those (c)rappers you listed were on that Wikipedia page because a "90s kid" much like yourself made it. I'm not looking at anything you post because I stand by what I know to be true. Like I said before, we do not see eye to eye. You are talking from your imagination and I was there to witness everything in actuality. 


I'm positive about the styles as I WAS THERE! Those were not universally 90s styles. YOU WEREN'T EVEN ALIVE BEFORE 1993! HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THOSE WERE UNIVERSAL 90S STYLES?! Those crappy shows you mentioned are not a part of mid 90s pop culture! When we look back on 1993, we do not say to ourselves, "Wow, that Wonder Years rip-off of a vehicle for Ben Savage premiered in 1993"? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT POP CULTURE IS?!

No, flannel wasn't the only thing that made the mid 90s dark. The mid 90s were the "Grunge days" of the 90s. You couldn't go anywhere without being reminded that Kurt Cobain died. When the news coverage wasn't on, My So Called Life was. Ugh, K-Mart sold flannel for some time in 1995 and '96.

YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT 1993 WAS A PART OF THE EARLY 90S. AS SOON AS HW BUSH LEFT OFFICE, THE EARLY 90S WERE OVER! AS SOON AS CLINTON CAME IN, AN OVERLOAD OF GRUNGE AND GANGSTA RAP MUSIC FOLLOWED.
They are my family and friends and other people from other forums.

Actually, those shows were popular along with Friends, X-Files, and MMPR. Sister, Sister and All That premiered in 1994 while Boy Meets World premiered in 1993; therefore, making them part of the mid 90s. Also more shows that were popular in the mid 90s were The Nanny, Fresh Prince, Beavis and Butthead, Home Improvement, Seinfeld and Frasier. Like I said, my parents consider both early and mid 90s rap as classics as they were there for the whole period and they are older than you, so you cant say that. I dont just listen to rap music the year I was born, I also listen to music before I was born and after. BTW, I was there before 1993. I just in my mom's belly. 1993 did actually have Kris Kross. Yes, their big hit was from 1992, but they still made songs after Jump. Overalls, scrunchies, braids, bald heads, eraserhead afros, fila shoes, jordans, and denim clothing were actually universal of the 90s, not part of one era of the 90s. Yes, I do know pop culture is. Well Kurt was a big icon of Grunge, so the genre took a big hit when fans found out he died. Also, My So Called Life aired for about 6 months from August 1994 to January 1995, so that show would only define part of the mid 90s, not the whole era.

Once again, just because Clinton became president in early 1993 doesnt mean the vibe changed immediately. It took time for culture to transition and I dont think it was finished until 1994.

And I agree with Jquar, instead of posting from your view of what you saw which is just your opinion, can you back up your view with prime examples and facts? I haven't seen any since you argued with me. Remember opinions don't equal facts.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 3:05 pm


Why do I get the feeling this thread will go on forever and ever until anonymous person gets their last word in over the other? Worst of all, none of what they are saying is on topic. Jquar claimed he thought the early 90s were darker than the late 90s. Mxcrashxm says all years of the 90s were happy times.
  I stated the middle part of the 90s were far dimmer than both periods of the 1990s. The OP sees the late 90s as the time of Marilyn Manson and Korn. He's right, for nu-metal fans it was. What does AL-B think?
I never said all, I said most and they were happy times because even though there were bad events in the 90s, there were still good ones as well and good outlasts evil. 

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 3:11 pm


Actually, those shows were popular along with Friends, X-Files, and MMPR. Sister, Sister and All That premiered in 1994 while Boy Meets World premiered in 1993; therefore, making them part of the mid 90s. Also more shows that were popular in the mid 90s were The Nanny, Fresh Prince, Beavis and Butthead, Home Improvement, Seinfeld and Frasier. Like I said, my parents consider both early and mid 90s rap as classics as they were there for the whole period and they are older than you, so you cant say that. I dont just listen to rap music the year I was born, I also listen to music before I was born and after. BTW, I was there before 1993. I just in my mom's belly. 1993 did actually have Kris Kross. Yes, their big hit was from 1992, but they still made songs after Jump. Overalls, scrunchies, braids, bald heads, eraserhead afros, fila shoes, jordans, and denim clothing were actually universal of the 90s, not part of one era of the 90s. Yes, I do know pop culture is. Well Kurt was a big icon of Grunge, so the genre took a big hit when fans found out he died. Also, My So Called Life aired for about 6 months from August 1994 to January 1995, so that show would only define part of the mid 90s, not the whole era.

Once again, just because Clinton became president in early 1993 doesnt mean the vibe changed immediately. It took time for culture to transition and I dont think it was finished until 1994.

And I agree with Jquar, instead of posting from your view of what you saw which is just your opinion, can you back up your view with prime examples and facts? I haven't seen any since you argued with me. Remember opinions don't equal facts.


You clearly don't know what pop culture means. It's apparent from your posts. Fresh Prince, Home Improvement and Seinfeld were all popular in the early 90s and the mid 90s, but mainly the early 90s. YOUR PARENTS consider early and mid 90s rap as classic. I will say that "Whoops! There It Is" isn't up there with the other cheesy pop-rap songs because it isn't. It wasn't then and it isn't now. "Whoops" was a party song like "Who Let the Dogs Out". After '92, Kris Kross invented the slang word, "Da Bomb", that's it. Their other singles were lackluster and never measured up to the success of "Jump". By eraserhead afros, you mean "Hi Top Fades", don't you? You listed butterfly clips and other accessories before. Yep, Grunge fans went on to be Gangsta rap lovers. My So Called Life did define the mid 90s,including 1993, because the idea of it had to come from somewhere.

I was there, you aren't telling me that things stayed the same in '93 because I know they didn't. At the start of 1993, there were Dr. Dre music videos playing on MTV. In the early 90s, he was still performing with N.W.A.. In fact, we can call the latter half of '92 the start to 1993. All of the new pop culture introduced in 1992 was synonymous with the Clinton era anyway. Barneymania occurred in 1993 and lasted well into the mid 90s, but Barney and Friends first aired in 1992. Like I said before, 1993 felt more like the sum of each year of the early 90s. By that I meant, yes, it was the last time you saw the 80s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on Saturday morning and Kris Kross were last in the limelight. Because of '93 being that way, it did not feel like another year of the early 90s. I just can't see it as one. As a person who saw the early 1990s, 1993 did not taste the same as the three years before it. The "1989 vibe" wore off in 1993.

I have posted many pictures with my posts in the past. You need to open your eyes more.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 3:12 pm


I never said all, I said most and they were happy times because even though there were bad events in the 90s, there were still good ones as well and good outlasts evil.


Okay. There were bad events from 1990 to 1999 that what strings the years together really.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/20/14 at 3:50 pm

Hey, the early 90s vibe is pretty strong with this one. November 1993....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv5vMJKBAbo

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 3:55 pm


YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT POP CULTURE IS. IT'S APPARENT FROM YOUR POSTS. Fresh Prince, Home Improvement and Seinfeld were all popular in the early 90s and the mid 90s, but mainly the early 90s. YOUR PARENTS consider early and mid 90s rap as classic. I will say that "Whoops! There It Is" isn't up there with the other cheesy pop-rap songs because it isn't. It wasn't then and it isn't now. "Whoops" was a party song like "Who Let the Dogs Out". After '92, Kris Kross invented the slang word, "Da Bomb", that's it. Their other singles were lackluster and never measured up to the success of "Jump". By eraserhead afros, you mean "Hi Top Fades", don't you? You listed butterfly clips and other accessories before. Yep, Grunge fans went on to be Gangsta rap lovers. My So Called Life did define the mid 90s,including 1993, because the idea of it had to come from somewhere.

I was there, you aren't telling me that things stayed the same in '93 because I know they didn't. At the start of 1993, there were Dr. Dre music videos playing on MTV. In the early 90s, he was still performing with N.W.A.. In fact, we can call the latter half of '92 the start to 1993. All of the new pop culture introduced in 1992 was synonymous with the Clinton era anyway. Barneymania occurred in 1993 and lasted well into the mid 90s, but Barney and Friends first aired in 1992.

I have posted many pictures with my posts in the past. You need to open your eyes more.
Actually I do. pop culture is music, movies, celebrities, fashion, video games and more. Whoomp not being up there with the other 3 is still your opinion, not fact. Yeah, and their word was used by everyone after that especially when someone had a delicious meal. Yes, I do mean Hi-top fades. I know both terms. Yes, the other songs didn't earn success as Jump did, but they were still popular in the black community. No, they didnt because Nirvana wasn't just the only Grunge band. What about Pearl Jam, Sound-garden, R.E.M, and 9-Inch Nails? I bet grunge fans also listened to them and went to their concerts as well just like Nirvana.  No, that show only defined 1994 and part of 1995. I've seen people talk about 1996 and they don't mention My So Called Life. However, that show was considered a classic and it is still today. Dr. Dre's The Chronic had an early 90s vibe, so that is not mid 90s as it lasted from 1992 to mid/late 1993. He didnt reappear mainly until 1999 even though he was featured in Tupac's California Love, which is also a classic. The Barney trend was only popular with kids, not teens and older people, so thats probably why it lasted until the late 90s even though the show still aired after that.

You've only mostly posted photos in the decades picture threads, not in this one, except a few.


Okay. There were bad events from 1990 to 1999 that what strings the years together really.
Yes, but the good still outweighs the bad.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inertia on 09/20/14 at 4:43 pm

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Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 5:00 pm

1993 teen culture was extreme 90s and 1993 adult culture was quite 80s

Here are the top adult contemporary songs of 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_adult_contemporary_singles_of_1993_%28U.S.%29

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:09 pm


Actually I do. pop culture is music, movies, celebrities, fashion, video games and more. Whoomp not being up there with the other 3 is still your opinion, not fact. Yeah, and their word was used by everyone after that especially when someone had a delicious meal. Yes, I do mean Hi-top fades. I know both terms. Yes, the other songs didn't earn success as Jump did, but they were still popular in the black community. No, they didnt because Nirvana wasn't just the only Grunge band. What about Pearl Jam, Sound-garden, R.E.M, and 9-Inch Nails? I bet grunge fans also listened to them and went to their concerts as well just like Nirvana.  No, that show only defined 1994 and part of 1995. I've seen people talk about 1996 and they don't mention My So Called Life. However, that show was considered a classic and it is still today. Dr. Dre's The Chronic had an early 90s vibe, so that is not mid 90s as it lasted from 1992 to mid/late 1993. He didnt reappear mainly until 1999 even though he was featured in Tupac's California Love, which is also a classic. The Barney trend was only popular with kids, not teens and older people, so thats probably why it lasted until the late 90s even though the show still aired.


Pop culture is POPULAR movies, music, video games and more. Not just anything can be pop culture. No, it's a fact that "Whoops! there It Is" isn't a pop-rap classic. What Kris Kross songs were popular with the black community after '92?! Huh?! You're making stuff up. That's just the thing, since you weren't there all you can do is guess an bet. If "My So Called Life" only defined 1994 and 1995, how did the writer of it come up with the idea in the spring of 1994. People had to be wearing flannel in the fall of 1993 for the screenwriter to notice things were changing. "My So Called Life" is considered a grade A television show nowadays because it brings people back to the angsty mid 90s (1993-1996).YOU  say Dr. Dre's "the Chronic" and that would be because the tracks were recorded in early '92. It is mid 90s because the videos aired at the start of 1993. You don't know what you're talking about. Please embarrassing yourself. The rap you listed may have been "classics" to YOU, but they aren't Golden Age Hip Hop songs.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/20/14 at 5:10 pm

When I look at old pictures from 1993 they look quite different from the late 80s and 1990-91. I would say pretty much 90s already. In 1990-92 those big glasses and big hair for example were still popular. Not so in 1993. And that was Europe, which might be a bit behind the US. However I would still say that 1993 was still on the older, more "80ish side of the 90s". I could easily distinguish between 1993 and 1996 for example.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:11 pm


1993 teen culture was extreme 90s and 1993 adult culture was quite 80s

Here are the top adult contemporary songs of 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_adult_contemporary_singles_of_1993_%28U.S.%29


Finally, someone who recognizes that 1993 teen culture was extreme 90s. Adult culture may have been "quite 80s" but '93 was still the first year of the mid 1990s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:13 pm


When I look at old pictures from 1993 they look quite different from the late 80s and 1990-91. I would say pretty much 90s already. And that was Europe, which might be a bit behind the US. 


Exactly. No, the US wasn't a bit behind Europe. People here were wearing flannel and white shirts underneath for most of 1993.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:16 pm


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I got the point! This dispute has gone on forever. Mxcrashxm probably won't end it until I finally agree with him (which I'm not doing). He wasn't even alive to the early 90s. How can he just say that '93 was another year of the early 90s when he was an infant in 1993? Him telling me it was is like the kettle telling the skillet that it could warm up a steak too. I don't mean to come off as a jerk to him. I'm not going to just agree with him to make everyone happy. This is the real world!

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/20/14 at 5:27 pm


Adult culture may have been "quite 80s" but '93 was still the first year of the mid 1990s.


It certainly was. The mid part of a decade always starts in the 3-year, even though it had more in common with the early 90s than with 1996.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:29 pm


It certainly was. The mid part of a decade always starts in the 3-year, even though it had more in common with the early 90s than with 1996.


Everything you said was true. 1996 is when the mid 90s came to an end and the late 90s began. Of course, 1993 has nothing in common with '96.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inertia on 09/20/14 at 5:40 pm


I got the point! This dispute has gone on forever. Mxcrashxm probably won't end it until I finally agree with him (which I'm not doing). He wasn't even alive to the early 90s. How can he just say that '93 was another year of the early 90s when he was an infant in 1993? Him telling me it was is like the pot telling the skillet that it could warm up a steak too. I'm not going to just agree with him to make everyone happy. This is the real world!


You can always ignore someone. You are not obligated to reply to each and every post on a forum. I certainly don't.

I still don't understand why you are getting so upset about it anyway, but my memories of 1993 are from a toddler's perspective so maybe I missed out on the extra specialness of this year.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/20/14 at 5:46 pm


How can they talk about it when they weren't there?


You would have to be around to experience it.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/20/14 at 5:47 pm


So we all should stop talking about the time before our birth? Go tell that all the history teachers  ;D


I don't think that's what he meant.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/20/14 at 5:49 pm

MTV's decline killed off Yo!MTV Raps. By the mid 1990s MTV was a shell of its former self.

and that's when MTV stopped showing videos and went into reality programs.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:49 pm


You can always ignore someone. You are not obligated to reply to each and every post on a forum. I certainly don't.

I still don't understand why you are getting so upset about it anyway, but my memories of 1993 are from a toddler's perspective so maybe I missed out on the extra specialness of this year.


I think if I were to ignore him he would think he is in the right. I'm afraid this is a "I told you so" situation.

There was nothing special about 1993. It was just the first year of the mid 1990s, that's all. I claimed the mid 90s were darker than the other periods and Mxcrashxm got huffy about it. I wasn't upset about anything. He just keeps listing opinions and writing them off as facts.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:50 pm


I don't think that's what he meant.


You're right.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 5:50 pm


You would have to be around to experience it.


Exactly.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inertia on 09/20/14 at 5:58 pm


There was nothing special about 1993. It was just the first year of the mid 1990s, that's all. I claimed the mid 90s were darker than the other periods and Mxcrashxm got huffy about it. I wasn't upset about anything. He just keeps listing opinions and writes them off as facts.


I didn't read every post in the thread in detail. I just saw the two of you arguing over the validity of his opinions based on his birth year and the early nineties in general.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 09/20/14 at 6:01 pm

What is this thread all about,
Can't figure any posts out.
How do the thoughts to it go?
I wish you'd tell me, I don't know
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no
Don't know, don't know, don't know...

Now you're mumblin' and you're screamin'
And you don't know what you're sayin'
Crank the volume, eyes are bleedin'
I still don't know what you're sayin'
You're so loud and incoherent
Boy, this oughta bug your parents
Yeah

It's unintel-ligible
I just can't get it through my skull
It's hard to bargle nawdle zouss(?)
With all these marbles in your head
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no
Don't know, don't know, don't know...



Cat

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 6:09 pm


What is this thread all about,
Can't figure any posts out.
How do the thoughts to it go?
I wish you'd tell me, I don't know
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no
Don't know, don't know, don't know...

Now you're mumblin' and you're screamin'
And you don't know what you're sayin'
Crank the volume, eyes are bleedin'
I still don't know what you're sayin'
You're so loud and incoherent
Boy, this oughta bug your parents
Yeah

It's unintel-ligible
I just can't get it through my skull
It's hard to bargle nawdle zouss(?)
With all these marbles in your head
Don't know, don't know, don't know, oh no
Don't know, don't know, don't know...




Cat


I know what I'm talking about but some just won't accept it because they don't want to hear the facts about their favorite years. You're correct, this has gone on for wayyy too long. At the end of day, I'm going to stick with my beliefs and they are going to just have to buy that.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 6:17 pm


Pop culture is POPULAR movies, music, video games and more. Not just anything can be pop culture. No, it's a fact that "Whoops! there It Is" isn't a pop-rap classic. What Kris Kross songs were popular with the black community after '92?! Huh?! You're making stuff up. That's just the thing, since you weren't there all you can do is guess an bet. If "My So Called Life" only defined 1994 and 1995, how did the writer of it come up with the idea in the spring of 1994. People had to be wearing flannel in the fall of 1993 for the screenwriter to notice things were changing. "My So Called Life" is considered a grade A television show nowadays because it brings people back to the angsty mid 90s (1993-1996).YOU  say Dr. Dre's "the Chronic" and that would be because the tracks were recorded in early '92. It is mid 90s because the videos aired at the start of 1993. You don't know what you're talking about. Please embarrassing yourself. The rap you listed may have been "classics" to YOU, but they aren't Golden Age Hip Hop songs.
No, thats still YOUR opinion that Whoomp! isnt a classic. not anyone elses. The rest the songs on their debut album and the songs on their Da Bomb Album. They may have not been in the top 10 like Jump, but they were on the top 100 charts. The writer was obviously looking the X generation (Who were the teens and young adults and the focus in the 90s) and not the pop culture vibe. Besides, My So Called Life was an X show and the show had main characters who were Xers as well and they were able to relate to the generation of that time. Therefore, mostly X were the ones wearing flannel, not Boomers and Millennials. The rap songs wasnt just classics to me, it was classics to everyone. There was an episode on VH1 years ago talking about the top 40 and top 100 and the people on there listed those songs as classics.

I think I know why you see the mid 90s as dark and thats because you were a teenager in high school with lots of events such as Cobain dying, the high crime rate, OJ being chased, rap changing and the vibe to you feeling depressed and hardcore which affected you throughout your life. Also, since you were a teen in the mid 90s, you have a different viewpoint than adults of that time as the 90s teen culture was very different from the 90s adult culture.

Just to know, even though the 1993 teen culture was completely 90s, I was still right because the AC music of 1993 still had an 80s vibe that was there.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 6:22 pm


No, thats still YOUR opinion that Whoomp! isnt a classic. not anyone elses. The rest the songs on their debut album and the songs on their Da Bomb Album. They may have not been in the top 10 like Jump, but they were on the top 100 charts. The writer was obviously looking the X generation (Who were the teens and young adults and the focus in the 90s) and not the pop culture vibe. Besides, My So Called Life was an X show and the show had main characters who were Xers as well and they were able to relate to the generation of that time. Therefore, mostly X were the ones wearing flannel, not Boomers and Millennials. The rap songs wasnt just classics to me, it was classics to everyone. There was an episode on VH1 years ago talking about the top 40 and top 100 and the people on there listed those songs as classics.

I think I know why you see the mid 90s as dark and thats because you were a teenager in high school with lots of events such as Cobain dying, the high crime rate, OJ being chased, rap changing and the vibe to you feeling depressed and hardcore which affected you throughout your life. Also, since you were a teen in the mid 90s, you have a different viewpoint than adults of that time as the 90s teen culture was very different from the 90s adult culture.

Just to know, even though the 1993 teen culture was completely 90s, I was still right because the AC music of 1993 still had an 80s vibe that was there.


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Mxcrashxm: I'm right!
Me: I'm sorry, you're not. You cannot speak about something you know nothing about.
Mxcrashxm: I'm right and you aren't.
Me: Whatever you say. ::)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 6:34 pm


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Mxcrashxm: I'm right!
Me: I'm sorry, you're not. You cannot speak about something you know nothing about.
Mxcrashxm: I'm right and you aren't.
Me: Whatever you say. ::)
I'm not saying i'm right. I'm saying it from facts that I read a long time ago.


I claimed the mid 90s were darker than the other periods and Mxcrashxm got huffy about it.


And I never got huffy when you said the mid 90s were darker. I got huffy (A small huffy) when you said that 1993 wasnt part of the early 90s or that it didnt have any 80s vibe in it.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 6:45 pm


I'm not saying i'm right. I'm saying it from facts that I read a long time ago.

And I never got huffy when you said the mid 90s were darker. I got huffy (A small huffy) when you said that 1993 wasnt part of the early 90s or that it didnt have any 80s vibe in it.


1993 ISN'T a part of the early 90s. There were no continuations to Twin Peaks or Damon Wayans on "In Living Color" in '93. The early 90s came to an end in 1993 as soon as Clinton was in office. 1993 was more 90s than 80s. 1993 will be remembered as a 90s year.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 7:06 pm


1993 ISN'T a part of the early 90s. There were no continuations to Twin Peaks or Damon Wayans on "In Living Color" in '93. The early 90s came to an end in 1993 as soon as Clinton was in office. 1993 was more 90s than 80s. 1993 will be remembered as a 90s year.
Remember it takes time for the vibe of pop culture to transition.  and actually 1993 was both because like i said, it had some (not alot) 80s vibe and some 90s vibe. The culture didnt immediately change when Clinton took office in January 1993. it gradually changes.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inertia on 09/20/14 at 7:26 pm


Remember it takes time for the vibe of pop culture to transition.  and actually 1993 was both because like i said, it had some (not alot) 80s vibe and some 90s vibe. The culture didnt immediately change when Clinton took office in January 1993. it gradually changes.


Why would anyone care if 1993 is the early nineties or the mid-nineties? What difference does it make?

I fail to see why it matters when it was over twenty years ago. I get being nostalgic and all, but this is a ridiculous debate.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/20/14 at 7:46 pm


Why would anyone care if 1993 is the early nineties or the mid-nineties? What difference does it make?



It's a matter of life or death!  ::)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 7:52 pm


Remember it takes time for the vibe of pop culture to transition.  and actually 1993 was both because like i said, it had some (not alot) 80s vibe and some 90s vibe. The culture didnt immediately change when Clinton took office in January 1993. it gradually changes.


You can tell me again and again and I still won't buy a word of it because I was a teen in 1993 and you Were an infant.  ;D  Please stop. You weren't there.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 7:52 pm


It's a matter of life or death!  ::)


;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 7:55 pm


Why would anyone care if 1993 is the early nineties or the mid-nineties? What difference does it make?

I fail to see why it matters when it was over twenty years ago. I get being nostalgic and all, but this is a ridiculous debate.


It isn't a debate because 1993 was the first year of the mid 1990s. Mxcrashxm won't accept that because HE WANTS 1993 TO BE AN EARLY 90S YEAR. 1993 was the first year of the mid 1990s, most who were old enough to remember will agree. Mxcrashxm just wants the conversation to continue on going until he gets his way. I'm sorry to say this, but his posts are pointless because what remains remains.

You're correct, we are carrying on like children. It's ridiculous. I didn't start this, I just simply states the mid 90s (1993-1996) was darker than both the early 90s and late 90s. From there, Mxcrashxm got jumpy and started correcting me WHEN HE WAS ONLY A BABY IN 1993.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/20/14 at 8:02 pm


Again, you're imagining all three shows were popular since you were a baby at the time. You were too young to see the mid 90s for what they were. You're writing a fairy tale when I witnessed the real story.
I know that both Batman the Animated Series and X-Men the Animated Series debuted in the fall of 1992. It wasn't way before the third film came out. I wasn't just talking about any Super Soaker, I spoke of the classic first ones (50 and 100). They go for a lot on the black market. College students are far more mature than High Schoolers. They do not wear the same clothes. Collegians dress more like their parents do in any era. "Whoops! There It Is" was used a reference in many shows and movies at the time because it was popular at the time. It still isn't up there with the three I mentioned. I claimed that the Golden Age of rap was dead in 1993, not the genre. Snoop Doggy Dog and the Wu Tang Clan weren't singing about anything important. Jay-Z, B.I.G., Nas and Warren G weren't political rappers like Public Enemy, Arrested Development or Boogie Down Productions. Arrested Development and Black Sheep's most well known albums were released in 1991 and '92 respectfully.

To be honest with you, the grunge fashion was starting to seep in around late '92. At that time, people were wearing thrift store clothes and not flannel. Leather jackets and dirty looking purple shirts were primarily worn. Around the spring of 1993, I noticed children even wearing flannel and a white shirt underneath. In the early 90s, most Americans were trying to break away from the looks of the 1980s. I remember my Father saying in 1990, "It's still the 80s". To be fair, that was uttered before the recession began. 1990 was most like 1989 with '92 being the least. 1993 was like the sum of the early 90s. That's why I probably do not see it as another year of the early 90s. In a way, 1990 was the total of all three years that happened before it. That effect started to wear off in mid 1991. All of the sudden, shows like "Monsters", "Out of this World" and "My Secret identity" were cancelled. The new shows were "Ren and Stimpy", "Rugrats", and "Home Improvement". After seeing all of that Ren and Stimpy merchandise in 1993, I came to the conclusion that we definitely weren't in the early 90s anymore. The "'89 vibe" was just wasn't there in 1993. It felt like a new time because of the new things introduced in the years 1990,1991 and 1992 were at the forefront in 1993 an it was unavoidable. For example, from '89 to '93, flannel was used for its purpose and not an anti-fashion statement. Then, in 1993, all of that changed. The flannel and Nirvana shirt trend was more of a '94 event. 1994 made '93 look like an innocent time by comparison. The World Trade Center bombing and NAFTA signing happened in 1993. Worst of all, when a person looks back on the 90s, most will realize the best time to have been a child was from 1990 to the start of 1993. Everything fell apart after 1992. I'm not just saying this because I love those years. 1992 really was the last great year for pop culture. Americans saw Quentin Tarantino's first flick, Sir Mix-a-Lot sing about backs Martin Lawrence say wussup, the Cold War ending and Wayne's World (created in 1988, but it's the best SNL flick) in Theaters. The 90s were never great after that to anyone over the age of five. In terms of decades, the title goes to the 1980s although the early 90s had their moments.

The TMNT movies were out in 1990 and 1991. The third had a different storyline entirely that didn't sit right with some fans because of this:

Other common criticisms include the absence of any established TMNT villains, like Shredder or Krang. James Berardinelli gave it one out of four stars, citing that "any adults accompanying their kids will have to invent new and interesting ways to stay awake. Not only is this movie aimed at young children, the script could have been written by them." TV Guide gave it two out of four stars and said in their review, "If the time-travel gimmick has to be employed twice in a row then it's probably best to banish these characters to a retirement sewer," when commenting about a possible future film invoking time travel.

That's from Wiki, but I saw the third one when we rented it once and didn't care for it either. Me still being a kid had no bearing on my opinion of it, but I was at the age where TMNT was a popular fandom among alot of my peers.

I don't recall grunge fashion, but I know college kids 18-early 20 something do often dress like teenagers yet. It can depend at times what they're going to school for too, as some careers call for looking nicer. Despite that, they can still get away with dressing younger because last I knew 18 and 19 is still your teens, and your early 20's aren't far removed from it. Definately not like copies of their middle aged parents.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 8:10 pm


Why would anyone care if 1993 is the early nineties or the mid-nineties? What difference does it make?

I fail to see why it matters when it was over twenty years ago. I get being nostalgic and all, but this is a ridiculous debate.
it really doesn't matter, but I'm what saying that it was decided a long time ago that 1993 is part of the early 90s and thats a fact. Every time i look up fashion, video games, music, toys and movies from the early 90s, 1993 is part of the culture.


You can tell me again and again and I still won't buy a word of it because I was a teen in 1993 and you Were an infant.  ;D  Please stop. You weren't there.
I was there and i didn't make the decision. It was already decided long ago that 1993 is early 90s. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/20/14 at 8:15 pm


it really doesn't matter, but I'm what saying that it was decided a long time ago that 1993 is part of the early 90s and thats a fact. Every time i look up fashion, video games, music, toys and movies from the early 90s, 1993 is part of the culture.
I was there and i didn't make the decision. It was already decided long ago that 1993 is early 90s. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

No, it doesn't matter, it was a long time ago. You're definatley right that culture gradually transitions too, so what it feels like is what it feels like to a peson. To me it doesn't become a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year until it's over because it's how it feels if you know what I mean, and culture doesn't just change like bam because it's January 1 199-.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:19 pm


it really doesn't matter, but I'm what saying that it was decided a long time ago that 1993 is part of the early 90s and thats a fact. Every time i look up fashion, video games, music, toys and movies from the early 90s, 1993 is part of the culture.
I was there and i didn't make the decision. It was already decided long ago that 1993 is early 90s. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.


YOU decided 1993 was a year of the early 90s, JUST YOU. I disagree entirely.  Please let it go already so we can get back to the topic.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:20 pm


No, it doesn't matter, it was a long time ago. You're definatley right that culture gradually transitions too, so what it feels like is what it feels like to a peson. To me it doesn't become a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year until it's over because it's how it feels if you know what I mean, and culture doesn't just change like bam because it's January 1 199-.


Technically a decade divided is always into thirds.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:21 pm


The TMNT movies were out in 1990 and 1991. The third had a different storyline entirely that didn't sit right with some fans because of this:


That's from Wiki, but I saw the third one when we rented it once and didn't care for it either. Me still being a kid had no bearing on my opinion of it, but I was at the age where TMNT was a popular fandom among alot of my peers.

I don't recall grunge fashion, but I know college kids 18-early 20 something do often dress like teenagers yet. It can depend at times what they're going to school for too, as some careers call for looking nicer. Despite that, they can still get away with dressing younger because last I knew 18 and 19 is still your teens, and your early 20's aren't far removed from it. Definately not like copies of their middle aged parents.


You're definitely right, the REAL Ninja Turtles movies were out in 1990 and 1991.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 8:25 pm


No, it doesn't matter, it was a long time ago. You're definatley right that culture gradually transitions too, so what it feels like is what it feels like to a peson. To me it doesn't become a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year until it's over because it's how it feels if you know what I mean, and culture doesn't just change like bam because it's January 1 199-.
yes, this is what I was talking about. It's not like when it was January 1, 1993, it was now mid 90s. Culture gradually changes into a new era and it takes time for that to happen.


YOU decided 1993 was a year of the early 90s, JUST YOU. I disagree entirely.  Please let it go already so we can get back to the topic.


No. It was already decided back then, so i didn't do it.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 8:29 pm


YOU decided 1993 was a year of the early 90s, JUST YOU. I disagree entirely.  Please let it go already so we can get back to the topic.


Again, 1993 was different for teens and adults.
Teens dressed like it was the 90s and adults dressed like it was the 80s.
Culture for teens was 90s and culture for adults was 80s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:29 pm


Again, 1993 was different for teens and adults.
Teens dressed like it was the 90s and adults dressed like it was the 80s.
Culture for teens was 90s and culture for adults was 80s.


The same could be said for all years of the 1990s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 8:30 pm


The same could be said for all years of the 1990s.


Adults weren't acting like it was the 80s in 1996.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:31 pm



No. It was already decided back then, so i didn't do it.


Decided by who? Oh right, YOU. Where is your evidence of this?! ???

YOU believe that 1993 was still early 90s although you were a tike. I know that 1993 was the first year of the mid 1990s. Let it be. Why does it matter if you get the last word in?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:31 pm


Adults weren't acting like it was the 80s in 1996.


Yes, they were. Look harder.

The photo below was from 1997, but still.

http://thismommasramblings.com/2014/01/30/askawayfriday-26-april-100lb-countdown/mom-1997/

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/20/14 at 8:43 pm


Technically a decade divided is always into thirds.

Technically yes, and you can't change the numbers. Culturally, it doesn't always feel that way and that's where he's coming from.


The same could be said for all years of the 1990s.

Definately disagree with that when it comes to the mid to late 90's, the latter of which I have distinct memories of.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 8:49 pm


Technically yes, and you can't change the numbers. Culturally, it doesn't always feel that way and that's where he's coming from.


Culture is one of the factors that divides the periods. 2017 will be a lot like 1993 was.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:04 pm



Definately disagree with that when it comes to the mid to late 90's, the latter of which I have distinct memories of.


I still saw polo shirts on both men and women in the late 90s. Eh, different areas have different people in them.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: meesa on 09/20/14 at 9:23 pm

meanwhile, in other news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74zfcyDOe0

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 9:26 pm


meanwhile, in other news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74zfcyDOe0


Tell that to Mxcrashxm.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 9:43 pm


Tell that to Mxcrashxm.
you would say that.

And Katana Queen is right. You can't change the numbers as it was already set and fun fact, 3 is an early number. She's also right with that the culture of the 3-year doesn't always feel like it's the middle. Most likely, it's still early. anyway, the debate on where the 3-year is had been decided a long time ago as early because it doesn't feel like a middle number and the fact that the year 0 never existed.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 10:18 pm


you would say that.

And Katana Queen is right. You can't change the numbers as it was already set and fun fact, 3 is an early number. She's also right with that the culture of the 3-year doesn't always feel like it's the middle. Most likely, it's still early. anyway, the debate on where the 3-year is had been decided a long time ago as early because it doesn't feel like a middle number and the fact that the year 0 never existed.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vcqm5wLCP-o/U5fqq34peRI/AAAAAAAAIqc/01Bk8uy5kPw/s1600/bored-smiley.png :(

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vTY4mYsPDhQ/U5Xl9n9QZfI/AAAAAAAAINQ/nzlY6UCUs2A/s1600/sleepy-smiley.png

STOP IMPOSING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME!

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/20/14 at 10:49 pm


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vcqm5wLCP-o/U5fqq34peRI/AAAAAAAAIqc/01Bk8uy5kPw/s1600/bored-smiley.png :(

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vTY4mYsPDhQ/U5Xl9n9QZfI/AAAAAAAAINQ/nzlY6UCUs2A/s1600/sleepy-smiley.png

STOP IMPOSING YOUR BELIEFS ON ME!
I'm not. I'm stating facts. Those are actual facts. You can look them if you want to.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/20/14 at 11:07 pm


I'm not. I'm stating facts. Those are actual facts. You can look them if you want to.


You are! You couldn't read or write or much less talk at some point in 1993. Again, you can't tell me a thing about 1993 as I was a teen at the time and you an infant.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/20/14 at 11:13 pm



You are! You couldn't read or write or much less talk at some point in 1993. Again, you can't tell me a thing about 1993 as I was a teen at the time and you an infant.


And how does this make you a better person than him?  ???

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: nintieskid999 on 09/20/14 at 11:35 pm


Yes, they were. Look harder.

The photo below was from 1997, but still.

http://thismommasramblings.com/2014/01/30/askawayfriday-26-april-100lb-countdown/mom-1997/


That fashion and hair style looks very 90s to me. Just because it isn't "edgy" doesn't mean it's not 90s.

When I think of the 80s fashion I saw in the 90s, I think of someone looking like the lady in this photo

http://i.imgur.com/9Y0QG07.jpg

I saw plenty of people in that style of hair and dress in 1993 amongst adults. In 1995 however, nobody really dressed this way with that type of hair and accessories.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: af2010 on 09/21/14 at 12:10 am

If you look at the pop culture of 93, it seemed to lean more towards the core 90s culture. That doesn't mean the old school "80s vibe" was completely gone (it lingered to some extent throughout the mid 90s), but it seems a lot stronger in 92 and earlier. This is a pointless debate, but that's always been my opinion on it.

If you want to objectively break it down based on simple math, the early 90s ended on April 30, 1993.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: BayAreaNostalgist1981 on 09/21/14 at 12:12 am


I mean some people's memories start earlier in life than others, even when born around the same time.


This is very true too... it really depends on the person more than anything. Some kids (like me and you and probably most of us oldschoolers on boards like this :) ) just paid more attention when young, or maybe had older siblings/cool hip parents or uncles etc... while others might've had really strict conservative religious parents or lived in a small town without as much pop culture or fashion exposure of the times, or just maybe didn't notice certain things.

I've had friends 2-4 years older than me who didn't grow up with everything I did. One co-worker's boyfriend (1978) once was like "damnnn you're old school bro!" when we were talking about stuff.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 1:10 am



You are! You couldn't read or write or much less talk at some point in 1993. Again, you can't tell me a thing about 1993 as I was a teen at the time and you an infant.
once again, 3 is an early number and there wasn't a year 0. Those are facts. Another fact is that 1993 both had 80s and 90s vibes mixed together. You can see in music videos, movies, TV shows, and other media. Also, for video games, if you look at the box art covers for 1993, it had the same art from 1988 especially with the Nintendo character mario. Not only that, the game box covers of the late 80s and early 90s had a shadow detail in it. As a result, 1987 through 1993 are described as one era mixed together of cultural vibes.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: af2010 on 09/21/14 at 1:29 am


once again, 3 is an early number and there wasn't a year 0. Those are facts. Another fact is that 1993 both had 80s and 90s vibes mixed together. You can see in music videos, movies, TV shows, and other media. Also, for video games, if you look at the box art covers for 1993, it had the same art from 1988 especially with the Nintendo character mario. Not only that, the game box covers of the late 80s and early 90s had a shadow detail in it. As a result, 1987 through 1993 are described as one era mixed together of cultural vibes.


There was a year 0. It's called 1990. Mathematically, the early 90s ended on April 30, 1993. That's something we should all be able to agree on.

Culturally, 87 was still pretty core 80s. Maybe not to the extent of say 1985, but 87 was still the Hair Metal/Run-DMC era. Compare that to the Nirvana/Wu Tang era of 93. There's a big difference.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: BayAreaNostalgist1981 on 09/21/14 at 1:30 am


If you look at the pop culture of 93, it seemed to lean more towards the core 90s culture. That doesn't mean the old school "80s vibe" was completely gone (it lingered to some extent throughout the mid 90s), but it seems a lot stronger in 92 and earlier. This is a pointless debate, but that's always been my opinion on it.

If you want to objectively break it down based on simple math, the early 90s ended on April 30, 1993.


I agree with this too. It (the 80s influence) wasn't totally gone, but it was going away and wasn't "cool" per se anymore. Plus Clinton getting elected marked a change in the vibe and feeling of the times, this was also when gangsta rap and grunge really came into the mainstream imo.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 1:33 am

Here's some bright and weird fashion from 1993

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kzp3hu8X1r06q46o1_1280.jpg

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/92/7f/07/927f07e6b355f7c1405499362e1fddf7.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/236913/slide_236913_1186282_original.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ttTTgOir9LQ/TWjjTA0vxLI/AAAAAAAADEM/F_WOfZa1-fE/s400/Infamous_Oscar_Fashions_Whoopi_goldberg.jpg

Flannels may have been there in 1993, but the weird and bright fashion was still there too.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 1:40 am


There was a year 0. It's called 1990. Mathematically, the early 90s ended on April 30, 1993. That's something we should all be able to agree on.

Culturally, 87 was still pretty core 80s. Maybe not to the extent of say 1985, but 87 was still the Hair Metal/Run-DMC era. Compare that to the Nirvana/Wu Tang era of 93. There's a big difference.
i know that. I agree it ended on that day literally, but not culturally as it takes time to change. The literal early 90s may have ended in  April 1993, but the cultural early 90s didn't end until December 1993.

yeah, those are huge differences. However, that era still had some mixed vibes, but small ones.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 09/21/14 at 2:09 am


Here's some bright and weird fashion from 1993

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kzp3hu8X1r06q46o1_1280.jpg

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/92/7f/07/927f07e6b355f7c1405499362e1fddf7.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/236913/slide_236913_1186282_original.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ttTTgOir9LQ/TWjjTA0vxLI/AAAAAAAADEM/F_WOfZa1-fE/s400/Infamous_Oscar_Fashions_Whoopi_goldberg.jpg

Flannels may have been there in 1993, but the weird and bright fashion was still there too.


Those clothes don't exactly seem late 80's to me.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: af2010 on 09/21/14 at 2:27 am


i know that. I agree it ended on that day literally, but not culturally as it takes time to change. The literal early 90s may have ended in  April 1993, but the cultural early 90s didn't end until December 1993.


It does take time to change, I agree, but you can't say that and also say it changed in December of 93. You're contradicting yourself. What changed in December of 93?


yeah, those are huge differences. However, that era still had some mixed vibes, but small ones.


I can agree with that. But I still see 93 as a core 90s year. Some (late) 80s influence still lingered, but it wasn't the dominant culture anymore.


Those clothes don't exactly seem late 80's to me.


I was thinking the same thing. The top one might could pass for late 80s, until you look at the people in the background.


I agree with this too. It (the 80s influence) wasn't totally gone, but it was going away and wasn't "cool" per se anymore. Plus Clinton getting elected marked a change in the vibe and feeling of the times, this was also when gangsta rap and grunge really came into the mainstream imo.


Completely agree.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 3:24 am


It does take time to change, I agree, but you can't say that and also say it changed in December of 93. You're contradicting yourself. What changed in December of 93?
the fashion (the last small bits of late 80s disappeared.), rap having more gangsta flow (even though it actually started in 1988). Some rap music of 1993 didn't have a gangsta vibe at all. The R&B tune changed.  Clintons politics were set in place.  (This took time). Nirvana last album as cobain committed suicide 4 months later in April.  Huge generation x movies coming out in 1994. Power Ranger toys. Last, the rise of teen/young adult sitcoms that were scheduled with family ones.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/21/14 at 3:41 am


you would say that.

And Katana Queen is right. You can't change the numbers as it was already set and fun fact, 3 is an early number. She's also right with that the culture of the 3-year doesn't always feel like it's the middle. Most likely, it's still early. anyway, the debate on where the 3-year is had been decided a long time ago as early because it doesn't feel like a middle number and the fact that the year 0 never existed.

It doesn't feel that way because a 0 year (1990) is the very beginning and would have the most traces of the last decade left. Like I said, everything doesn't change on New Years day. It has to get there.


Culture is one of the factors that divides the periods. 2017 will be a lot like 1993 was.

2017 hasn't happened yet, and I don't understand the comparison. I don't know what the uproar is over 1993 either or why just the early 90's is good.


There was a year 0. It's called 1990. Mathematically, the early 90s ended on April 30, 1993. That's something we should all be able to agree on.

Culturally, 87 was still pretty core 80s. Maybe not to the extent of say 1985, but 87 was still the Hair Metal/Run-DMC era. Compare that to the Nirvana/Wu Tang era of 93. There's a big difference.

A decade is ten years no matter what, so you can't evenly divide it up by three. Something is the odd year out. Halfway through a year is July. Every decade has it's early, middle, and late parts. Culturally 1993 is a mix for early 90's remainders IMO, but obvious 80's traces should have been out by then. Radio played plenty of 80's and current artists, but the new music being produced wasn't 80's sounding.


That fashion and hair style looks very 90s to me. Just because it isn't "edgy" doesn't mean it's not 90s.

When I think of the 80s fashion I saw in the 90s, I think of someone looking like the lady in this photo

http://i.imgur.com/9Y0QG07.jpg

I saw plenty of people in that style of hair and dress in 1993 amongst adults. In 1995 however, nobody really dressed this way with that type of hair and accessories.

In 1993 I remember stores selling some tracksuits like the women are wearing, and children's winter coats featured similar designs. In 1995 for sure, and beyond that style was out.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/21/14 at 4:22 am


Another fact is that 1993 both had 80s and 90s vibes mixed together. You can see in music videos, movies, TV shows, and other media.


Yes, looking at 1993 now (in 2014!), it had some 80s traces in it, but the music was very 90s in 1993. I know that because that was the first music I clearly remember when it was new. Just because it sounds older than the rest of the 90s, it does not mean it is automatically 80s. It is probably because you only remember the late 90s and you are comparing this era too much with the earlier part of the 90s.

And like I have already said, there is only one era in the 90s that still had a real late 80s vibe: 1990 and 1991. After that, the atmosphere slowly became different. I remember this era, even though I was still very young. However, I had a 15-year-old sister in 1993.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:09 am


And how does this make you a better person than him?  ???


It doesn't make me a better person. I saw 1993 for what it was, the first year of the gloomy mid 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:11 am


That fashion and hair style looks very 90s to me. Just because it isn't "edgy" doesn't mean it's not 90s.

When I think of the 80s fashion I saw in the 90s, I think of someone looking like the lady in this photo

http://i.imgur.com/9Y0QG07.jpg

I saw plenty of people in that style of hair and dress in 1993 amongst adults. In 1995 however, nobody really dressed this way with that type of hair and accessories.


Okay and you did..... 1993 was still the first year of the mid 90s, I don't care how many picture you post to prove otherwise.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:12 am


once again, 3 is an early number and there wasn't a year 0. Those are facts. Another fact is that 1993 both had 80s and 90s vibes mixed together. You can see in music videos, movies, TV shows, and other media. Also, for video games, if you look at the box art covers for 1993, it had the same art from 1988 especially with the Nintendo character mario. Not only that, the game box covers of the late 80s and early 90s had a shadow detail in it. As a result, 1987 through 1993 are described as one era mixed together of cultural vibes.


1990, 1991 and 1992 - More Like 1989

1993, 1994 and 1995 - The true 1990s

1996, 1997 and 1998 - The Late 90s

Court adjourned.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:14 am


There was a year 0. It's called 1990. Mathematically, the early 90s ended on April 30, 1993. That's something we should all be able to agree on.

Culturally, 87 was still pretty core 80s. Maybe not to the extent of say 1985, but 87 was still the Hair Metal/Run-DMC era. Compare that to the Nirvana/Wu Tang era of 93. There's a big difference.


We don't because Clinton was in office before then and the pop culture of his era replaced that of the HW Bush early 90s. Nice try…

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:15 am


I agree with this too. It (the 80s influence) wasn't totally gone, but it was going away and wasn't "cool" per se anymore. Plus Clinton getting elected marked a change in the vibe and feeling of the times, this was also when gangsta rap and grunge really came into the mainstream imo.


Thank you, you're someone who understands.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:15 am


Here's some bright and weird fashion from 1993

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kzp3hu8X1r06q46o1_1280.jpg

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/92/7f/07/927f07e6b355f7c1405499362e1fddf7.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/236913/slide_236913_1186282_original.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ttTTgOir9LQ/TWjjTA0vxLI/AAAAAAAADEM/F_WOfZa1-fE/s400/Infamous_Oscar_Fashions_Whoopi_goldberg.jpg

Flannels may have been there in 1993, but the weird and bright fashion was still there too.


All of those styles scream 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:20 am


The literal early 90s may have ended in  April 1993, but the cultural early 90s didn't end until December 1993.

yeah, those are huge differences. However, that era still had some mixed vibes, but small ones.


http://www.hashslush.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/mostused_whatsapp_emoticons_hashslush5.jpg

You weren't even of age to know what the early 90s. GOH! ;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/21/14 at 7:23 am


1990, 1991 and 1992 - More Like 1989

1993, 1994 and 1995 - The true 1990s

1996, 1997 and 1998 - The Late 90s

Court adjourned.

The "true" 90's? Anything ending in 90 something was a true 90's year.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:24 am


It does take time to change, I agree, but you can't say that and also say it changed in December of 93. You're contradicting yourself. What changed in December of 93?

I can agree with that. But I still see 93 as a core 90s year. Some (late) 80s influence still lingered, but it wasn't the dominant culture anymore.

I was thinking the same thing. The top one might could pass for late 80s, until you look at the people in the background.

Completely agree.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-C46S4uNKAHk/Uzd_uFwPYdI/AAAAAAAAAt8/-Pm5vf_QyBk/s1600/SOL+2014+Calvin+and+Hobbes+hug.png

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:26 am


the fashion (the last small bits of late 80s disappeared.), rap having more gangsta flow (even though it actually started in 1988). Some rap music of 1993 didn't have a gangsta vibe at all. The R&B tune changed.  Clintons politics were set in place.  (This took time). Nirvana last album as cobain committed suicide 4 months later in April.  Huge generation x movies coming out in 1994. Power Ranger toys. Last, the rise of teen/young adult sitcoms that were scheduled with family ones.


That would be 1993 for you, the first year of the 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:36 am



2017 hasn't happened yet, and I don't understand the comparison. I don't know what the uproar is over 1993 either or why just the early 90's is good.
A decade is ten years no matter what, so you can't evenly divide it up by three. Something is the odd year out. Halfway through a year is July. Every decade has it's early, middle, and late parts. Culturally 1993 is a mix for early 90's remainders IMO, but obvious 80's traces should have been out by then. Radio played plenty of 80's and current artists, but the new music being produced wasn't 80's sounding.
In 1993 I remember stores selling some tracksuits like the women are wearing, and children's winter coats featured similar designs. In 1995 for sure, and beyond that style was out.


Mxcrashxm is making a big deal out of 1993 because he was born in that year. He wants to hear that 1993 was an early 90s year EVEN THOUGH he was BORN in that year and did not see the three years before then.I liked the early 90s (1990,1991 and 1992) because they were my time. There was still a lot going on in the time of Turtlemania, the best New Jack Swing hits, Reebok Pumps and Dan Quayle jokes.

1993 was a core 90s year and I know this because I was there. The year started off with Clinton in office, the Barney craze and Achy Breaky Heart dance. Overtime, it became the time of grunge and gangsta rap. It ended with Shannen Doherty getting fired from Beverly Hills, 90210. It was a very boring year, the Jurassic Park film was the only highlight of it. Of course, thats onllllllly my opinion.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:37 am


The "true" 90's? Anything ending in 90 something was a true 90's year.


Yes, the core 90s because Clinton's first term was in the mid 90s. Before then, HW Bush was still President and he was elected in 1988.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/21/14 at 7:44 am


Mxcrashxm is making a big deal out of 1993 because he was born in that year. He wants to hear that 1993 was an early 90s year EVEN THOUGH he was BORN in that year and did not see the three years before then.I liked the early 90s (1990,1991 and 1992) because they were my time. There was still a lot going on in the time of Turtlemania, the best New Jack Swing hits, Reebok Pumps and Dan Quayle jokes.

1993 was a core 90s year and I know this because I was there. The year started off with Clinton in office, the Barney craze and Achy Breaky Heart dance. Overtime, it became the time of grunge and gangsta rap. It ended with Shannen Doherty getting fired from Beverly Hills, 90210. It was a very boring year, the Jurassic Park film was the only highlight of it. Of course, thats onllllllly my opinion.

But so are you. You're insistant on being right when you could just agree to disagree. So he didn't experience it first hand, it doesn't mean he wasn't aware of pop culture then. I grew up in the 90's and like music and movies from different parts of that decade. Core year or not, it doesn't make it any more 90's than the beginning or end.


Yes, the core 90s because Clinton's first term was in the mid 90s. Before then, HW Bush was still President and he was elected in 1988.

Other presidents as well come and go before a decade is through.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/21/14 at 7:53 am


Other presidents as well come and go before a decade is through.


Are presidents so much of an argument when decades begin or end anyway? I mean, we had one and the same chancellor from 1982-1998. Does this mean that the German 80s ended in 1998? :D

How much pop cultural influence do political persons or politics in general have and vary decades from country to country?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/21/14 at 7:57 am


Are presidents so much of an arguments when decades begin or end anyway? I mean, we had one and the same chancellor from 1982-1998. Does this mean that the German 80s ended in 1998? :D

How much pop cultural influence do political persons or politics in general have and vary decades from country to country?

Good question. Don't ask me! :D I don't think it has any bearing on the pop culture and definately doesn't determine which part of a decade is the "true" years.  ::)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 8:39 am


But so are you. You're insistant on being right when you could just agree to disagree. So he didn't experience it first hand, it doesn't mean he wasn't aware of pop culture then. I grew up in the 90's and like music and movies from different parts of that decade. Core year or not, it doesn't make it any more 90's than the beginning or end.
Other presidents as well come and go before a decade is through.


Initially, all I said was, "The mid 90s, starting with 1993, were darker than both the early and late 90s". From there, he jumped up and started making statements about how 1993 was still early 90s despite him only being a baby at the time. Do you see where I'm coming from? How can someone who was an infant at the time tell a teen who experienced it what 1993 was? That's like a kettle telling a skillet that it can warm up a steak. If I agreed to disagree, his mouth would still be running.

By him being a baby, there is no way he could be aware of pop culture from 1993. He's a child of the late 90s and early 2000s. Heck, I couldn't tell you a thing about 1977. I learned everything I know about through reading books.

1993 was more 90s because HW Bush wasn't President anymore. In the words of Don Henley circa 1989, "This was the end of the innocence". Well, it was the end of a party to me, anyway. On a side note, I still love House music.

You're right, Presidents do come and go. What goes with those Presidents are their periods of pop culture. Once Clinton took office for his first term, Barney-mania occurred, Melrose Place was the show to watch and flannel/ Thrift Store clothes were all anyone my age wore.

I liked the '89 feeling to the actual early 90s (1990,1991 and 1992). This was a period of Turtlemania, hair carvings/highlights, acid house music, scanning magazines for rumors of the second Tim Burton Batman flick and the Newspaper funny "Outland" being a continuation to "Bloom County". Good times for me.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 09/21/14 at 11:40 am


Mxcrashxm is making a big deal out of 1993 because he was born in that year. He wants to hear that 1993 was an early 90s year EVEN THOUGH he was BORN in that year and did not see the three years before then.I liked the early 90s (1990,1991 and 1992) because they were my time. There was still a lot going on in the time of Turtlemania, the best New Jack Swing hits, Reebok Pumps and Dan Quayle jokes.

1993 was a core 90s year and I know this because I was there. The year started off with Clinton in office, the Barney craze and Achy Breaky Heart dance. Overtime, it became the time of grunge and gangsta rap. It ended with Shannen Doherty getting fired from Beverly Hills, 90210. It was a very boring year, the Jurassic Park film was the only highlight of it. Of course, thats onllllllly my opinion.



I do believe it is YOU who is making a big deal out this.

Personally, I could care less which year was like what year. However, your argument that Mxcrashxm couldn't possibly know about 1993 because he was only an infant doesn't hold water. There are many people who know about the pop culture of certain years-whether they were there or not. You are stating that he can't discuss the matter because of his age. EVERYONE'S is allowed their opinion. And you are insisting that you are correct when there have been people who have giving you evidence to the contrary but you dismiss that. You state that Mxcrashxm has to get the last word in but it appears that YOU are the one doing that.

I think you really need to learn how to debate.



Cat

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 11:42 am


Yes, looking at 1993 now (in 2014!), it had some 80s traces in it, but the music was very 90s in 1993. I know that because that was the first music I clearly remember when it was new. Just because it sounds older than the rest of the 90s, it does not mean it is automatically 80s. It is probably because you only remember the late 90s and you are comparing this era too much with the earlier part of the 90s.

And like I have already said, there is only one era in the 90s that still had a real late 80s vibe: 1990 and 1991. After that, the atmosphere slowly became different. I remember this era, even though I was still very young. However, I had a 15-year-old sister in 1993.
No. I know the difference between early 90s and late 90s. they were both two different eras. I've seen early 90s movies, played early 90s video games and listened early 90s music and it was way different than the late 90s.


It doesn't feel that way because a 0 year (1990) is the very beginning and would have the most traces of the last decade left. Like I said, everything doesn't change on New Years day. It has to get there.
It sure does. Nothing changes overnight.


1990, 1991 and 1992 - More Like 1989

1993, 1994 and 1995 - The true 1990s

1996, 1997 and 1998 - The Late 90s

Court adjourned.
1996 isnt late 90s and why isnt 1999 part of your list?


All of those styles scream 90s.
but they are still weird and bright.


That would be 1993 for you, the first year of the 90s.
No. It wouldnt be because the 3 is not first. it is 0/1 thats first.


Mxcrashxm is making a big deal out of 1993 because he was born in that year. He wants to hear that 1993 was an early 90s year EVEN THOUGH he was BORN in that year and did not see the three years before then.I liked the early 90s (1990,1991 and 1992) because they were my time. There was still a lot going on in the time of Turtlemania, the best New Jack Swing hits, Reebok Pumps and Dan Quayle jokes.
I'm not. I'm just stating facts. and your time wasnt just early 90s, it was also the late 80s, the rest of the 90s and the early 2000s. You were part of the target audience of pop culture from 1987 as you were 10 and 2002 as you were 25, so the early 90s is not just your time.  Last, 1993 is still early 90s as even though it had lots of flannel, it still had a small 80s vibe. Like I said, look at the movies, music videos and other media and you will see what i'm talking about. The 80s wasnt loud in 1993, but it had tiny pieces of it. BTW, flannel was around before 1993 beginning with the grunge fans as it was there as early as 1989/90.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 1:07 pm



I'm not. I'm just stating facts. and your time wasnt just early 90s, it was also the late 80s, the rest of the 90s and the early 2000s. You were part of the target audience of pop culture from 1987 as you were 10 and 2002 as you were 25, so the early 90s is not just your time.  Last, 1993 is still early 90s as even though it had lots of flannel, it still had a small 80s vibe. Like I said, look at the movies, music videos and other media and you will see what i'm talking about. The 80s wasnt loud in 1993, but it had tiny pieces of it. BTW, flannel was around before 1993 beginning with the grunge fans as it was there as early as 1989/90.


http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/119/638/waynesworld-cool-story-bro.jpg

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 1:11 pm



I do believe it is YOU who is making a big deal out this.

Personally, I could care less which year was like what year. However, your argument that Mxcrashxm couldn't possibly know about 1993 because he was only an infant doesn't hold water. There are many people who know about the pop culture of certain years-whether they were there or not. You are stating that he can't discuss the matter because of his age. EVERYONE'S is allowed their opinion. And you are insisting that you are correct when there have been people who have giving you evidence to the contrary but you dismiss that. You state that Mxcrashxm has to get the last word in but it appears that YOU are the one doing that.

I think you really need to learn how to debate.



Cat


I am correct. After all, I'm the Early 90s Guy, don't you think I should know when they took place?! I'm not going to let two younger folks tell me when the early 90s ended. They were babies  and children, therefore they can say nothing on the subject. All they can do is look at what was listed in a book and call it fact despite being way too young to experience it. Of course, everyone, including yourself, takes their side and is out to make me look nuts when I know what I'm talking about. Thanks.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 09/21/14 at 1:24 pm


I am correct. After all, I'm the Early 90s Guy, don't you think I should know when they took place?! I'm not going to let two younger folks tell me when the early 90s ended. They were babies  and children, therefore they can say nothing on the subject. All they can do is look at what was listed in a book and call it fact despite being way too young to experience it. Of course, everyone, including yourself, takes their side and is out to make me look nuts when I know what I'm talking about. Thanks.



You have just proven my point. And you don't need me to make you look nuts. You do that just fine on your own.



Cat

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 1:42 pm



You have just proven my point. And you don't need me to make you look nuts. You do that just fine on your own.



Cat


Whatever. You don't know what you're talking about. However, I agree with you on one thing, both (Mxcrashxm and I) of us are carrying on like children. Of course, you'll just side with him and say I'm the child. Ha. You're just that easy to read.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 09/21/14 at 2:00 pm


Whatever. You don't know what you're talking about. However, I agree with you on one thing, both (Mxcrashxm and I) of us are carrying on like children. Of course, you'll just side with him and say I'm the child. Ha. You're that easy to read.



No, I am not that easy to read. I am not siding with anyone here because I could care less about this stupid argument. And I do know what I am talking about but it seems like you don't know what I am talking about. I am telling you that you do not know how to debate. Just saying that "I am right" doesn't make it so. You need to present a little bit more evidence to make your case.

And that is all I am going to say on this matter because I'm sure you are not going to pay heed to what I am saying. I am only trying to help you make your case. I am not going to respond to your snarky reply because I'm not going to get caught up in this stupid debate.


Cat

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 2:06 pm



No, I am not that easy to read. I am not siding with anyone here because I could care less about this stupid argument. And I do know what I am talking about but it seems like you don't know what I am talking about. I am telling you that you do not know how to debate. Just saying that "I am right" doesn't make it so. You need to present a little bit more evidence to make your case.

And that is all I am going to say on this matter because I'm sure you are not going to pay heed to what I am saying. I am only trying to help you make your case. I am not going to respond to your snarky reply because I'm not going to get caught up in this stupid debate.


Cat


I'm sorry for being so rude. I did come off as pompous person in the post before. I see where you are coming from. It is a stupid debate, that's exactly what it is.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/21/14 at 2:50 pm

1993 ISN'T a part of the early 90s


Yes It Is.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/21/14 at 2:51 pm


Why would anyone care if 1993 is the early nineties or the mid-nineties? What difference does it make?

I fail to see why it matters when it was over twenty years ago. I get being nostalgic and all, but this is a ridiculous debate.


I think it should be locked. What do you say Inertia?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/21/14 at 2:56 pm


Those clothes don't exactly seem late 80's to me.


seems more like early 90's.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/21/14 at 3:00 pm


Whatever. You don't know what you're talking about. However, I agree with you on one thing, both (Mxcrashxm and I) of us are carrying on like children. Of course, you'll just side with him and say I'm the child. Ha. You're just that easy to read.


I think this debate is just pointless.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 3:14 pm



Yes It Is.


That's your opinion. You have yours and I have mine. All of that flannel, grungemania, Animaniacs, Power Rangers and 'gangsta rap without a message' is synonymous with the Clinton 90s.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 3:14 pm


I think this debate is just pointless.


Tell Mxcrashxm that, he started it.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inertia on 09/21/14 at 5:01 pm


I think it should be locked. What do you say Inertia?


I moderate the 2000's, not the 1990's board. Whistledog has to make the call.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 6:05 pm


Tell Mxcrashxm that, he started it.
Seriously, this wasnt even supposed to be an argument. It actually all started when you corrected BayArea and Jquar by telling them that 1993 was as 90s and that the year did have internet references and it that was far away from the late 80s. That commercial Jquar posted did have some 80s vibe in it, and had no internet websites to click on or any references to it. Also, BayArea was right that 1993 still had boxy cars. That people were still using boomboxes for their music.  And that VCRs were used alot for watch movies (there were NO DVDs). Another thing was that there were big bulky cellphones in 1993

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/DynaTAC8000X.jpg/220px-DynaTAC8000X.jpg

A 1993 Honda Accord

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/09/05/14/45/1993_honda_accord_4_dr_ex_sedan-pic-6760820913145991239.jpeg

One last thing, 1993 still had small 80s vibes as there were still cassette tapes released in music and that video games still had game cartridges.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 6:07 pm


I think this debate is just pointless.
You're right. it is pointless. This wasnt even supposed to happen in the first place.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/21/14 at 6:11 pm


Another thing was that there were big bulky cellphones in 1993


This phone is about ten years older than 1993.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 6:21 pm


This phone is about ten years older than 1993.
It is, but they were still being used. Cellphones weren't changed until 1995 when clueless come out. I have seen that movie and the phones were different.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Bobby on 09/21/14 at 6:26 pm

I guess I see the late 1990s more darker than the early 1990s but that's more a personal thing than a cultural one.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 6:39 pm


Seriously, this wasnt even supposed to be an argument. It actually all started when you corrected BayArea and Jquar by telling them that 1993 was as 90s and that the year did have internet references and it that was far away from the late 80s. That commercial Jquar posted did have some 80s vibe in it, and had no internet websites to click on or any references to it. Also, BayArea was right that 1993 still had boxy cars. That people were still using boomboxes for their music.  And that VCRs were used alot for watch movies (there were NO DVDs). Another thing was that there were big bulky cellphones in 1993

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/DynaTAC8000X.jpg/220px-DynaTAC8000X.jpg

A 1993 Honda Accord

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/09/05/14/45/1993_honda_accord_4_dr_ex_sedan-pic-6760820913145991239.jpeg

One last thing, 1993 still had small 80s vibes as there were still cassette tapes released in music and that video games still had game cartridges.


http://livenerddierepeat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/whatever-you-say.jpg

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 6:42 pm


It is, but they were still being used. Cellphones weren't changed until 1995 when clueless come out. I have seen that movie and the phones were different.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Motorola_MicroTAC_9800x.jpg

Yeah….Okay, "90s kid".

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inertia on 09/21/14 at 6:50 pm


Seriously, this wasnt even supposed to be an argument. It actually all started when you corrected BayArea and Jquar by telling them that 1993 was as 90s and that the year did have internet references and it that was far away from the late 80s. That commercial Jquar posted did have some 80s vibe in it, and had no internet websites to click on or any references to it. Also, BayArea was right that 1993 still had boxy cars. That people were still using boomboxes for their music.  And that VCRs were used alot for watch movies (there were NO DVDs). Another thing was that there were big bulky cellphones in 1993

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/DynaTAC8000X.jpg/220px-DynaTAC8000X.jpg

A 1993 Honda Accord

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/09/05/14/45/1993_honda_accord_4_dr_ex_sedan-pic-6760820913145991239.jpeg

One last thing, 1993 still had small 80s vibes as there were still cassette tapes released in music and that video games still had game cartridges.


Would the both of you just stop already? Seriously. Where is Whistledog when you need him?

No one wants to read this inane junk for the next ten pages.

1993 is 1993. End of story. It doesn't matter if it's the early, middle, or end part of the decade. It's just one out of ten years in the 1990's. It's still all part of the same decade no matter how you look at it!

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/21/14 at 6:53 pm


Tell Mxcrashxm that, he started it.

I'm sorry, but that's something a little kid would say. Nuh-uh, Ya-huh is not having a debate.


Seriously, this wasnt even supposed to be an argument. It actually all started when you corrected BayArea and Jquar by telling them that 1993 was as 90s and that the year did have internet references and it that was far away from the late 80s. That commercial Jquar posted did have some 80s vibe in it, and had no internet websites to click on or any references to it. Also, BayArea was right that 1993 still had boxy cars. That people were still using boomboxes for their music.  And that VCRs were used alot for watch movies (there were NO DVDs). Another thing was that there were big bulky cellphones in 1993

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/DynaTAC8000X.jpg/220px-DynaTAC8000X.jpg

A 1993 Honda Accord

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/09/05/14/45/1993_honda_accord_4_dr_ex_sedan-pic-6760820913145991239.jpeg

One last thing, 1993 still had small 80s vibes as there were still cassette tapes released in music and that video games still had game cartridges.

My first car was a 1994, so one year off but still very similar in shape. That phone looks very 80's-ish.


I guess I see the late 1990s more darker than the early 1990s but that's more a personal thing than a cultural one.

Some of the current events were. Musically you can't go by that because different types had a different mood to them.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:09 pm


Would the both of you just stop already? Seriously. Where is Whistledog when you need him?

No one wants to read this inane junk for the next ten pages.

1993 is 1993. End of story. It doesn't matter if it's the early, middle, or end part of the decade. It's just one out of ten years in the 1990's. It's still all part of the same decade no matter how you look at it!


Whistledog is an awesome username. I' through with the debate. I stick my beliefs as I was old enough to see 1993 for what it was.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:10 pm


I'm sorry, but that's something a little kid would say. Nuh-uh, Ya-huh is not having a debate.



It's alright, your point was valid. I wish the debate were over myself.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 7:22 pm


Would the both of you just stop already? Seriously. Where is Whistledog when you need him?

No one wants to read this inane junk for the next ten pages.

1993 is 1993. End of story. It doesn't matter if it's the early, middle, or end part of the decade. It's just one out of ten years in the 1990's. It's still all part of the same decade no matter how you look at it!
This wasnt even supposed to be a argument. I dont even know how it happened. All I did was agree with another member by posting my view of 1993 with facts and the Early90sGuy got offended. Also, I apologize for this happening. I dont usually get into arguments with other members and post off-topic things that take up pages. Thats not my style. I am actually a nice person and I say good things and stay on topic. Last, you're right. 1993 will always be part of the 90s and it will never change no matter how people see it. I hope we can all move on from this argument and get back on topic.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 7:24 pm


My first car was a 1994, so one year off but still very similar in shape. That phone looks very 80's-ish.
Did you like it?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Bobby on 09/21/14 at 7:27 pm


This wasnt even supposed to be a argument. I dont even know how it happened. All I did was agree with another member by posting my view of 1993 with facts and the Early90sGuy got offended. Also, I apologize for this happening. I dont usually get into arguments with other members and post off-topic things that take up pages. Thats not my style. I am actually a nice person and I say good things and stay on topic. Last, you're right. 1993 will always be part of the 90s and it will never change no matter how people see it. I hope we can all move on from this argument and get back on topic.


It seems the end of this thread is darker than the beginning.  ;D

Don't worry about it lad, these things happen. Here's some positive karma for you.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Bobby on 09/21/14 at 7:29 pm


It's alright, your point was valid. I wish the debate were over myself.


Some karma for you too.  :)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 7:31 pm


It seems the end of this thread is darker than the beginning.  ;D

Don't worry about it lad, these things happen. Here's some positive karma for you.
Thank you and dont worry, that argument is over. It's time to move on  :)

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:31 pm


This wasnt even supposed to be a argument. I dont even know how it happened. All I did was agree with another member by posting my view of 1993 with facts and the Early90sGuy got offended. Also, I apologize for this happening. I dont usually get into arguments with other members and post off-topic things that take up pages. Thats not my style. I am actually a nice person and I say good things and stay on topic. Last, you're right. 1993 will always be part of the 90s and it will never change no matter how people see it. I hope we can all move on from this argument and get back on topic.


You said it yourself, "1993 will always be part of the 90s". I agree, 1993 was the first Clinton year, so it's part of the real 90s. I'm satisfied. Argument over.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/21/14 at 7:35 pm


You said it yourself, "1993 will always be part of the 90s". I agree, 1993 was the first Clinton year, so it's part of the 90s. I'm satisfied. Argument over.
I'm glad. lets move on now.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/21/14 at 7:37 pm


I'm glad. lets move on now.


Alrighty.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/21/14 at 7:55 pm


Did you like it?

Not when it broke down on the highway! There were problems with it the first year.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Jquar on 09/22/14 at 12:41 am


1990, 1991 and 1992 - More Like 1989

1993, 1994 and 1995 - The true 1990s

1996, 1997 and 1998 - The Late 90s

Court adjourned.


Was 1999 not the '90s? Good to know.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/22/14 at 12:44 am


Not when it broke down on the highway! There were problems with it the first year.
Did 90s cars have technical problems?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/22/14 at 1:12 am


Did 90s cars have technical problems?

Any car can have problems. It was used so... :-\\

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/14 at 1:58 am


That phone looks very 80's-ish.


That's the first cell phone to be released for the public. It had its 30th anniversary last year.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 6:17 am


Was 1999 not the '90s? Good to know.


1999 was the first year of a transition era. From 1999 to 2002,  America saw the transformation of Britney Spears, American Pie and South Park. Pokémon went from being popular to just being around. The Star Wars prequel went from having Jake Lloyd in them to Hayden Christensen.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 09/22/14 at 7:01 am

I consider 1996 the "real" 90's.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 7:02 am


I consider 1996 the "real" 90's.


1996 was a real 90s year because Clinton was President still.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/14 at 7:05 am

And now it's really turning into decadeology  ::)

Was 2000 also a real 90s year because Clinton was still President?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/22/14 at 7:22 am


And now it's really turning into decadeology  ::)

Was 2000 also a real 90s year because Clinton was still President?

It had to have been as long as a 90's president was still there!  ::) The 90's zeitgeist couldn't end yet!

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 7:27 am


And now it's really turning into decadeology  ::)

Was 2000 also a real 90s year because Clinton was still President?


It wasn't 00s or 90s, the 2000s did not began until 2002. Like I said before, the 1999-2002 period was a transitional era. Late '01 was the closest to 2002, so that was when the era began gravitating more towards the true 2000s.

I get it, you're a person who goes by the numbers. That's fine. You have your beliefs and I have mine. That's the end of that.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 7:30 am


It had to have been as long as a 90's president was still there!  ::) The 90's zeitgeist couldn't end yet!


You're funny, did you know that?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: KatanaChick on 09/22/14 at 7:31 am


You're funny, did you know that?

Why yes I do, lol!  ;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 7:32 am


Why yes I do, lol!  ;D


;D

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Inlandsvägen1986 on 09/22/14 at 7:56 am


I get it, you're a person who goes by the numbers.


The 90s started in 1990 and ended in 1999. End of story. The pop cultural definition might be slightly different, but it has nothing to do with presidents.
Or do you think that every country has its own "decades"? In general, the atmosphere, aesthetics etc. are and were very similar in the western world. Thanks to globalization.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 8:00 am


The 90s started in 1990 and ended in 1999. End of story. The pop cultural definition might be slightly different, but it has nothing to do with presidents.


Why imposing your ideas upon me? I know 1990 to be the first year of the early 90s (they were an extension to 1989) and 1999 was more like a year of the 2000s. At the same time, the start of '99 was most similar to 1998. In the transitional era, we saw the pop culture of '98 morph into that of 2002, the first true year of the 2000s. The pop cultural definition is slightly different. That's my opinion, you have yours and I have mine.

All of this isn't important to the thread, as you know. Let's get back on topic and leave the Decadology behind.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/22/14 at 1:30 pm


I moderate the 2000's, not the 1990's board. Whistledog has to make the call.


Okey dokes, I was just saying this discussion is getting redundant.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/22/14 at 1:31 pm


You're right. it is pointless. This wasnt even supposed to happen in the first place.


How did this get started?

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: Howard on 09/22/14 at 1:33 pm


Would the both of you just stop already? Seriously. Where is Whistledog when you need him?

No one wants to read this inane junk for the next ten pages.

1993 is 1993. End of story. It doesn't matter if it's the early, middle, or end part of the decade. It's just one out of ten years in the 1990's. It's still all part of the same decade no matter how you look at it!


Thanks Inertia, This sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 3:57 pm


How did this get started?


Unfortunately, it was me who started it.
You can see for yourself here: http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=50566.0
Me being an early 90s enthusiast and all would not shut up over how 1993 and 1994 were very 90s.
I'm owning up now and this argument has long since been over.

Subject: Re: Who else sees the late 90s as darker than the early 90s?

Written By: TheEarly90sGuy on 09/22/14 at 3:58 pm


Thanks Inertia, This sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds.


You're right, the obsession with the early 90s is strong in me. You won't hear a peep from me anymore. People should have the freedom to believe what they believe.

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