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Subject: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 90s Guy on 03/15/16 at 11:47 am

The Disney Renaissance is a term for a period of time between the late 1980s and 1990s in which Disney animated films became successful again. After Walt Disney's death in 1966, Disney's animated films struggled for years with both relevancy and success, and as the box office receipts came back with lesser returns, the number of animated films released by Disney decreased (there were only 4 animated Disney films released in the entire 1970s, for example). However, in the late '80s, for some reason, their animated films became huge again, and the 1990s were especially a time of success for Disney animated films.

Generally, every film up to and including The Lion is considered a core part of the Renaissance. After that, it becomes less clear.

Which film would you say marks the end of the Renaissance Era?
Is it
Pocahontas (1995)?
Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)?
Hercules? (1997)
Mulan? (1998)
Tarzan? (1999)?

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Zelek2 on 03/15/16 at 11:53 am

The Emperor's New Groove, I don't see why it isn't counted in the Renaissance. It was commercially successful ($90 million domestic, $170 million worldwide), received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song, and was also a critical success.

In my opinion, it meets every single criteria to be counted as the final film of the Disney Renaissance, except the year (2000). If it does not count, then neither should any of the other films that followed The Lion King, which were either just as successful or less successful than this film.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/15/16 at 11:57 am


The Emperor's New Groove, I don't see why it isn't counted in the Renaissance. It was commercially successful ($90 million domestic, $170 million worldwide), received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song, and was also a critical success.

In my opinion, it meets every single criteria to be counted as the final film of the Disney Renaissance, except the year (2000). If it does not count, then neither should any of the other films that followed The Lion King, which were either just as successful or less successful than this film.


I think it's 'cause it came after Fantasia 2000, which wasn't as big a hit as the movies before it and signified the end of the era to a bunch of people.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/15/16 at 12:46 pm


The Emperor's New Groove, I don't see why it isn't counted in the Renaissance. It was commercially successful ($90 million domestic, $170 million worldwide), received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song, and was also a critical success.


That's actually quite poor compared to the other Disney Renaissance films aside from The Rescuers Down Under. Not to mention, the movie's budget was $100 million.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:05 pm

I'm gonna cheat and say Fantasia 2000!!! ::)  What do you guys think? :)

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:08 pm

IMHO
1989-1994(The heart of the Disney Renaissance): Little Mermaid, Rescuers Down Under, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King

1995: The low point(Pocahontas)

1996-1999:(The dying days of the Renaissance): Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan

The curtain call/Grand Finale: Fantasia 2000

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Zelek2 on 03/15/16 at 1:11 pm

Even though many of them were bombs at the box office, I liked the post-Renaissance movies from 2000-2003 (Lilo and stitch, brother bear, Emperor's New Groove, Treasure Planet). They were underrated, imo.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:13 pm


Even though they were bombs at the box office, I liked some of the post-Renaissance movies from 2000-2003. They were underrated, imo.

YES!!!! Dinosaur, Emperor's, Atlantis, Lilo and Stitch, Treasure Planet were all pretty good to me then! I just didn't think they were ANYTHING compared to Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:15 pm

I most likely will make my own thread about the first half of the Renaissance vs the second half! ::)
Ooh that's going to be fun!!! :D :o

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Zelek2 on 03/15/16 at 1:17 pm

Come on, the first half is going to win by a landslide. ;D

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:19 pm


Come on, the first half is going to win by a landslide. ;D

Well, ironically I grew up watching the second half on VHS MORE than the first half. I saw  The Lion King, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Rescuers Down Under as a kid, but not Beauty and The Beast. Soo maybe it's just my personal indulgences and even nostalgia, that would have cloud my judgement.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/15/16 at 1:22 pm

Some people put 1989 to 1999. Some put 1989 to 2000.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:23 pm

I basically say Little Mermaid to Fantasia 2000!

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/15/16 at 1:24 pm


I'm gonna cheat and say Fantasia 2000!!! ::)  What do you guys think? :)


That's fine.  :)

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Zelek2 on 03/15/16 at 1:25 pm

As I mentioned before, if Fantasia 2000 is part of the Renaissance, then I don't see why The Emperor's New Groove can't be as well. Unlike the later 00s movies, it was successful at the box office, received near-unanmious praise from critics, and received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/15/16 at 1:28 pm

I like that guy in Atlantis that always says "Eyy, I'm da doorman."

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 1:28 pm


As I mentioned before, if Fantasia 2000 is part of the Renaissance, then I don't see why The Emperor's New Groove can't be as well. Unlike the later 00s movies, it was successful at the box office, received near-unanmious praise from critics, and received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song.

I actually kinda consider Emperors New Groove to be a transitional movie. Atlantis the Lost Empire felt like the first TRUE post Renaissance movie.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/15/16 at 1:32 pm


I like that guy in Atlantis that always says "Eyy, I'm da doorman."


I tried to like the movie, I just couldn't.  :-[

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/15/16 at 1:37 pm


I tried to like the movie, I just couldn't.  :-https://cdn.discogs.com/Bm0Ki2o98gLZqBggmmLLLBE2rY8=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/A-464803-1272844866.jpeg.jpg

https://cdn.discogs.com/OtfcDyzHazdVC7nWPpml0RBRwXk=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/R-1220012-1201616311.jpeg.jpg

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33500000/Milo-atlantis-33540368-450-370.jpg

Is that sick or what? Only reason I watched the movie. I ended up liking it well enough especially for that guy who says "eyy, I'm da doorman." He's rad.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Toon on 03/15/16 at 1:38 pm


IMHO
1989-1994(The heart of the Disney Renaissance): Little Mermaid, Rescuers Down Under, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King

1995: The low point(Pocahontas)

1996-1999:(The dying days of the Renaissance): Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan, and Tarzan

The curtain call/Grand Finale: Fantasia 2000


Pretty much. Pocahontas can be seen as the worst movie. And all the 1995/6-1999 films did worse than Lion King in 1994 which gives off a downhill decline as time moved on.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Mat1991 on 03/15/16 at 3:10 pm

For me, it would be Tarzan (1999). I rewatched that movie on Netflix about a year ago and found myself underwhelmed and unimpressed with it. It was definitely a pedestal below the earlier Renaissance movies.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/15/16 at 5:43 pm

I don't know why people say 1999/2000 was the end for the Disney Renaissance. We still had a lot of great Disney movies from the early 2000s. I'd say that the Renaissance died with Brother Bear. Then they faced a mediocre era in the mid-late 2000s with their movie division.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 6:35 pm


I don't know why people say 1999/2000 was the end for the Disney Renaissance. We still had a lot of great Disney movies from the early 2000s. I'd say that the Renaissance died with Brother Bear. Then they faced a mediocre era in the mid-late 2000s with their movie division.

Disney Renaissance's golden age

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eLLkDhwaXbY/maxresdefault.jpg

The downturn!

https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/24/A70-12132

The latter years of the Renaissance
http://images.bwwstatic.com/upload10/446001/1998-03-12Hunchback_of_Notre_Dame1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Hercules_(1997_film)_poster.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Movie_poster_mulan.JPG http://www.coolhol.com/images/1249889685.jpg

The curtain call
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BsgAIg-ltTg/hqdefault.jpg

Transitional period
http://clzmovies.r.sizr.io/core/covers/lg/81/81_16272_0_Dinosaur.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WA7XEB92L.jpg

Early Post Renaissance
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QNl7Prsm5wI/VEc6Y1-29VI/AAAAAAABSnA/0PFvtLQZqm0/s1600/Atlantis_the_lost_empire_cover.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/LiloandStitchmovieposter.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Treasure_Planet_poster.jpghttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/d/de/Brother-bear_dvd.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150511105720

Transition to the latter post Renaissance (second dark age)

http://cdn.s7.disneystore.com/is/image/DisneyShopping/7745055550287?$yetidetail$

Latter post Renaissance

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/2/2e/Chicken_little_ver3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150926023601 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Meet_the_robinsons.jpghttp://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDQyNDE5NjQ1N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDExMTAwMg@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/15/16 at 6:54 pm


Disney Renaissance's golden age

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eLLkDhwaXbY/maxresdefault.jpg

The downturn!

https://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/24/A70-12132

The latter years of the Renaissance
http://images.bwwstatic.com/upload10/446001/1998-03-12Hunchback_of_Notre_Dame1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Hercules_(1997_film)_poster.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Movie_poster_mulan.JPG http://www.coolhol.com/images/1249889685.jpg

The curtain call
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BsgAIg-ltTg/hqdefault.jpg

Transitional period
http://clzmovies.r.sizr.io/core/covers/lg/81/81_16272_0_Dinosaur.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WA7XEB92L.jpg

Early Post Renaissance
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QNl7Prsm5wI/VEc6Y1-29VI/AAAAAAABSnA/0PFvtLQZqm0/s1600/Atlantis_the_lost_empire_cover.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/LiloandStitchmovieposter.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Treasure_Planet_poster.jpghttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/d/de/Brother-bear_dvd.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150511105720

Transition to the latter post Renaissance (second dark age)

http://cdn.s7.disneystore.com/is/image/DisneyShopping/7745055550287?$yetidetail$

Latter post Renaissance

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/2/2e/Chicken_little_ver3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150926023601 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Meet_the_robinsons.jpghttp://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDQyNDE5NjQ1N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDExMTAwMg@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg


Seems about right.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: popguru85 on 03/15/16 at 9:50 pm

I would say Toy Story 2. It seemed by this time, Pixar was kinda coming into it's own and everything was heading towards digital animation and effects.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/15/16 at 11:50 pm


I would say Toy Story 2. It seemed by this time, Pixar was kinda coming into it's own and everything was heading towards digital animation and effects.

I don't think a PIXAR movie ended the Renaissance.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/15/16 at 11:52 pm


I don't think a PIXAR movie ended the Renaissance.


If there was one film that completely threw a stake into the heart of the Disney Renaissance, it's Shrek. That film was like the perfect anti-Disney Renaissance movie.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/16/16 at 12:24 am


If there was one film that completely threw a stake into the heart of the Disney Renaissance, it's Shrek. That film was like the perfect anti-Disney Renaissance movie.

Yup, This ALL THE WAY. That movie ushered in kind of a new era of animated movies. It blew me away first seeing it at 5/6. Ironically, it came out the same year Atlantis the lost empire did, which I consider to be the first true post renaissance movie.

I could see it then that Disney had been dethroned, Pixar and Dreamworks were officially the new kings of animation.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Toon on 03/16/16 at 12:31 am


Yup, This ALL THE WAY. That movie ushered in kind of a new era of animated movies. It blew me away first seeing it at 5/6. Ironically, it came out the same year Atlantis the lost empire did, which I consider to be the first true post renaissance movie.

I could see it then that Disney had been dethroned, Pixar and Dreamworks were officially the new kings of animation.


Yep, while Disney was entire their post-renaissance and releasing movies like Chicken Little and Meet the Robinson Pixar was releasing movies like Incredibles, Find Nemo, Wall-E, Up, and Monsters Inc. And Dreamworks had Shrek, Flushed Away, Madagascar,  Kung Fu Panda, and even movies that weren't well recieved critically, but did well commercially like Sharktale and Bee Movie.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: bchris02 on 03/16/16 at 3:24 pm

The Emperor's New Groove, period.  I don't understand why most accounts end the Disney Renaissance with Tarzan when the Emperor's New Groove came out one year later in 2000 and was still a box-office success.

Dreamworks ruled the 2000s and it all started with Shrek in 2001.  Atlantis was the first movie from Disney that really had a post-renaissance feel to it.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/16/16 at 3:36 pm


If there was one film that completely threw a stake into the heart of the Disney Renaissance, it's Shrek. That film was like the perfect anti-Disney Renaissance movie.


Shrek even destroyed the Disney Renaissance. It's what made Dreamworks popular during the 2000s.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/16/16 at 3:39 pm


Yup, This ALL THE WAY. That movie ushered in kind of a new era of animated movies. It blew me away first seeing it at 5/6. Ironically, it came out the same year Atlantis the lost empire did, which I consider to be the first true post renaissance movie.

I could see it then that Disney had been dethroned, Pixar and Dreamworks were officially the new kings of animation.


Yeah, people were more excited to see movies made by Pixar and Dreamworks back in the 2000s.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/16/16 at 3:40 pm


The Emperor's New Groove, period.  I don't understand why most accounts end the Disney Renaissance with Tarzan when the Emperor's New Groove came out one year later in 2000 and was still a box-office success.


Except it wasn't a box office success. It only made $169.3 million worldwide on a budget of $100 million, easily the worst returns of any film in the Disney canon since The Rescuers Down Under (the next lowest-grossing Renaissance film was Hercules, which made nearly $100 million more than Emperor and on a smaller budget). In fact, even Atlantis: The Lost Empire outgrossed The Emperor's New Groove, totaling in at $186.1 million.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/16/16 at 7:22 pm


The Emperor's New Groove, period.  I don't understand why most accounts end the Disney Renaissance with Tarzan when the Emperor's New Groove came out one year later in 2000 and was still a box-office success.

Dreamworks ruled the 2000s and it all started with Shrek in 2001.  Atlantis was the first movie from Disney that really had a post-renaissance feel to it.

This!!!!!! :D  Except Pixar mainly ruled the 2000s Dreamworks was second!

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/16/16 at 7:28 pm


This!!!!!! :D  Except Pixar mainly ruled the 2000s Dreamworks was second!


Pixar did dominated Disney in the 2000s, so I could get that.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/16/16 at 7:36 pm


Pixar did dominated Disney in the 2000s, so I could get that.

Yep, Shrek being released along with Atlantis the Lost Empire; which I agree with Chris on it being the first post Renaissance movie, is another reason why the 2000s for movies started in 2001.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 03/16/16 at 10:50 pm

I've seen some purists say that The Lion King was the last true movie of the Renaissance, with Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame ushering in the Post Renaissance era. Needless to say, I think that's absurd. Both movies did well at the box office, and are (at least to me) even better in hindsight than they seemed 20 years ago. In particular, I think Pocahontas suffered somewhat critically because it had the difficult task of following The Lion King, but I just watched that movie again about a year or so ago and it still holds up really well to me.

So, yeah, I'd probably agree that the Renaissance ended around the turn of the millennium, probably with The Emperor's New Groove. Atlantis, being such a major box office flop, is undeniably the first Post Renaissance movie.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/16/16 at 10:58 pm

Shrek 2 is awesome!

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/17/16 at 12:15 am

So, yeah, I'd probably agree that the Renaissance ended around the turn of the millennium, probably with The Emperor's New Groove. Atlantis, being such a major box office flop, is undeniably the first Post Renaissance movie.


But The Emperor's New Groove did even worse! People really seem to forget how underwhelming that movie's returns were because it got better reviews than Atlantis: The Lost Empire and is more of a cult hit. There's no way The Emperor's New Groove is a Renaissance film, it isn't even a broadway-style musical and has far less of a focus on ambitious visuals and more on its comedy (Aladdin was a very humorous movie as well, but it was still an epic fairytale at the same time).

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/17/16 at 12:23 am


This!!!!!! :D  Except Pixar mainly ruled the 2000s Dreamworks was second!


I think even Tarzan feels somewhat post-Renaissance-ish, mostly due to the broadway musical numbers being replace by overdubbed Phil Collins pop songs, which is what they did with Brother Bear a few years later. It's also one of the weakest Renaissance movies, in my opinion. However, since it performed so well at the box office, it's easier to just sort with the Renaissance period.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/17/16 at 12:27 am


I think even Tarzan feels somewhat post-Renaissance-ish, mostly due to the broadway musical numbers being replace by overdubbed Phil Collins pop songs, which is what they did with Brother Bear a few years later. It's also one of the weakest Renaissance movies, in my opinion. However, since it performed so well at the box office, it's easier to just sort with the Renaissance period.


Tarzan had a great soundtrack!  8)

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Toon on 03/17/16 at 12:37 am


Tarzan had a great soundtrack!  8)


I liked Tarzan's soundtrack (bought the official CD), but I can understand everyone's issue with it.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/17/16 at 12:42 am


I think even Tarzan feels somewhat post-Renaissance-ish, mostly due to the broadway musical numbers being replace by overdubbed Phil Collins pop songs, which is what they did with Brother Bear a few years later. It's also one of the weakest Renaissance movies, in my opinion. However, since it performed so well at the box office, it's easier to just sort with the Renaissance period.

Phil Collins singing the songs are a mere coincidence. It still felt renaissance like Mulan.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/17/16 at 12:45 am


But The Emperor's New Groove did even worse! People really seem to forget how underwhelming that movie's returns were because it got better reviews than Atlantis: The Lost Empire and is more of a cult hit. There's no way The Emperor's New Groove is a Renaissance film, it isn't even a broadway-style musical and has far less of a focus on ambitious visuals and more on its comedy (Aladdin was a very humorous movie as well, but it was still an epic fairytale at the same time).

Emperors New Groove is basically the definition of a transitional movie regarding Disney. Even though it isn't apart of the Renaissance, it still kinda had that feel though. However, Atlantis was LEGITIMATELY the first TRUE post renaissance feel.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/17/16 at 12:47 am


Tarzan had a great soundtrack!  8)

That soundtrack always gets me in a nostalgic mood!

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/17/16 at 12:55 am


That soundtrack always gets me in a nostalgic mood!


Phil Collins!

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/17/16 at 12:57 am


I liked Tarzan's soundtrack (bought the official CD), but I can understand everyone's issue with it.


The movie to me, is like a late 1990's Lion King.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/17/16 at 1:48 am


Phil Collins singing the songs are a mere coincidence. It still felt renaissance like Mulan.


Hardly a coincidence when you consider it was a conscious decision on behalf of the Disney Studio to reuse Phil Collins instead of bringing back the broadway format well into the post-Renaissance period.


Emperors New Groove is basically the definition of a transitional movie regarding Disney. Even though it isn't apart of the Renaissance, it still kinda had that feel though. However, Atlantis was LEGITIMATELY the first TRUE post renaissance feel.


How does The Emperor's New Groove have a Renaissance feel in the least? It feels a lot more like a DreamWorks movie than a 90s Disney film. It has no in-movie songs aside from the goofy Tom Jones number at the beginning, the visuals aren't as much of a focus, the direction is extremely comic, there's constant use of the fourth wall and pop cultural references, it's clearly trying hard to be modern, far more so even than Aladdin and Hercules, both of which still put story, songs, and visuals first despite things like the Robin Williams Genie and James Woods as Hades.

Tarzan, Fantasia 2000, and Dinosaur are really the true transitional films between the Renaissance and post-Renaissance. They all strayed from the broadway format, yet at the same time retained a lot of the timeless magnificence that represented the Disney studio's 90s films. The Emepror's New Groove is a good movie, but for completely different reasons than the Disney Renaissance films.

Quality alone isn't even the only thing that should distinguish the two eras - Pocahontas received weaker reviews than most post-Renaissance Disney films, while Lilo & Stitch earned a very positive reception. It's ultimately the respective styles that make the two films possible to categorize; Pocahontas is a visually-driven broadway musical, whereas Lilo & Stitch is a non-musical that takes place in modern-day Hawaii and features aliens.

I've never seen so many arguments ardently defending The Emperor's New Groove as a Disney Renaissance movie until this thread.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/17/16 at 1:50 am


The movie to me, is like a late 1990's Lion King.

Just like Hercules was kinda like a late 90s Aladdin.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/17/16 at 1:58 am


How does The Emperor's New Groove have a Renaissance feel in the least? It feels a lot more like a DreamWorks movie than a 90s Disney film. It has no in-movie songs aside from the goofy Tom Jones number at the beginning, the visuals aren't as much of a focus, the direction is extremely comic, there's constant use of the fourth wall and pop cultural references, it's clearly trying hard to be modern, far more so even than Aladdin and Hercules, both of which still put story, songs, and visuals first despite things like the Robin Williams Genie and James Woods as Hades.

Tarzan, Fantasia 2000, and Dinosaur are really the true transitional films between the Renaissance and post-Renaissance.
They all strayed from the broadway format, yet at the same time retained a lot of the timeless magnificence that represented the Disney studio's 90s films. The Emepror's New Groove is a good movie, but for completely different reasons than the Disney Renaissance films.

Quality alone isn't even the only thing that should distinguish the two eras - Pocahontas received weaker reviews than most post-Renaissance Disney films, while Lilo & Stitch earned a very positive reception. It's ultimately the respective styles that make the two films possible to categorize; Pocahontas is a visually-driven broadway musical, whereas Lilo & Stitch is a non-musical that takes place in modern-day Hawaii and features aliens.

I've never seen so many arguments ardently defending The Emperor's New Groove as a Disney Renaissance movie until this thread.

That's the way I felt then, and you aren't going to change my mind. I also wouldn't go as far as to say it felt like a Dreamworks film, give me a break.
That's debatable I might make a topic about this later in the evening probably; but I NEVER EVER considered Tarzan to be a transitional movie. Fantasia 2000 was always the grand finale of that run imo. Now Dinosaur I DEFINITELY agree with. If you saw my post I made earlier describing the eras; you'll know that I think that movie along with Emperors were THE transitional movies.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/17/16 at 2:07 am


That's the way I felt then, and you aren't going to change my mind. I also wouldn't go as far as to say it felt like a Dreamworks film, give me a break.


DreamWorks is usually more off-color and humor-driven, and that's exactly what The Emperor's New Groove was. It's full of jokes that would feel completely out of place in any Disney Renaissance film, even Aladdin and Hercules (mostly the fourth wall gags and stuff like the secret laboratory).

That's debatable I might make a topic about this later in the evening probably; but I NEVER EVER considered Tarzan to be a transitional movie. Fantasia 2000 was always the grand finale of that run imo. Now Dinosaur I DEFINITELY agree with. If you saw my post I made earlier describing the eras; you'll know that I think that movie along with Emperors were THE transitional movies.


Tarzan is still Disney Renaissance by popular consensus, but the Phil Collins soundtrack certainly differentiates it from its predecessors at least to some degree. Fantasia 2000 is a great film and easily one of the more underrated movies in the Disney canon, but it did pretty poorly at the box office and wasn't a traditional fairytale (in my opinion, it's neither Renaissance, nor post-Renaissance, but rather its own thing).

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/17/16 at 6:28 am

I agree. I don't see how The Emperor's New Groove is a Disney Renaissance movie in any way. It's feel is much closer to Atlantis and Lilo and Stitch than to even the latter-Renaissance movies. It's a super 70's-nostalgic movie set in Incan times which focuses more on feeling modern rather than "classic".

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/17/16 at 10:05 am


I agree. I don't see how The Emperor's New Groove is a Disney Renaissance movie in any way. It's feel is much closer to Atlantis and Lilo and Stitch than to even the latter-Renaissance movies. It's a super 70's-nostalgic movie set in Incan times which focuses more on feeling modern rather than "classic".


It was a fun movie.

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Written By: 2001 on 03/17/16 at 10:35 am


I liked Tarzan's soundtrack (bought the official CD), but I can understand everyone's issue with it.


Hercules soundtrack was the greatest. I recorded it on cassette, and even recorded myself singing it ;D

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/17/16 at 11:18 am


It was a fun movie.


I agree. That movie rules.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/17/16 at 11:52 am


I agree. That movie rules.


The emperor is very sarcastic and pompous.  ;D

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/17/16 at 11:55 am


The emperor is very sarcastic and pompous.  ;D


Yep! "It's all about ME! ME! ME!"

Kronk and Ezma have got to be one of the greatest team of villains ever.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/17/16 at 11:57 am


Yep! "It's all about ME! ME! ME!"

Kronk and Ezma have got to be one of the greatest team of villains ever.


People seem to believe that The Black Cauldron, in 1985, was the low point of the 'dark' era of Disney movies.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/17/16 at 12:00 pm


People seem to believe that The Black Cauldron, in 1985, was the low point of the 'dark' era of Disney movies.


I haven't seen that movie in forever! I don't remember it being all to great, though.

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Written By: #Infinity on 03/17/16 at 12:07 pm


I haven't seen that movie in forever! I don't remember it being all to great, though.


It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/17/16 at 12:10 pm


It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.


They were both pretty bad snooze fests but I hadn't seen either of them since I was a kid. I forgot her name was "Elionwy" like... What the hell kind of name is Eilonwy?

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Written By: Jquar on 03/17/16 at 3:55 pm

Gotta agree that Emperor's New Groove doesn't feel at all like the Disney template up to that point. The humor and story of that movie was much closer to something like Shrek or Ice Age than it was to the '90s Disney classics.

Tarzan was probably the end of that era of hand-drawn animated, classical Disney stories being met with commercial+critical success. That IMO is what marked the Disney Renaissance period. Rescuers Down Under notwithstanding, I'd say that it stretched from The Little Mermaid until Tarzan.

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Written By: ArcticFox on 03/18/16 at 1:35 am


It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.


I enjoyed Oliver & Company. I saw it when I was a kid and watched it again in 2012 and I liked it both times. It really seems like you're just reciting critical opinion. You said Pocahontas "sucked" (it didn't, you just exaggerate how bad everything is), and now you're saying Oliver & Company is bad too? Give me a break..

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/18/16 at 2:18 am


I enjoyed Oliver & Company. I saw it when I was a kid and watched it again in 2012 and I liked it both times. It really seems like you're just reciting critical opinion. You said Pocahontas "sucked" (it didn't, you just exaggerate how bad everything is), and now you're saying Oliver & Company is bad too? Give me a break..


I'm really not as pessimistic as you've constantly been trying to argue as of late. Pocahontas and Oliver & Company are actually in my bottom 5 films in the whole 55-film Disney canon, the only worse movies being Chicken Little and Home on the Range. I've seen both multiple times and genuinely didn't care for them.

Actually, Oliver & Company is excellent during its first 10 minutes or so, including the somber and criminally underrated Huey Lewis number, "Once Upon a Time in New York City," as well as the incredibly infectious "Why Should I Worry," but everything after the latter song sequence is just generic family entertainment with stock characters and little development in the leads. It's like the studio was really excited about the movie early in its production but then got bored after a bit of time and decided to just rush the rest of it.

As for Pocahontas, the entire film is rather forgettable, with the glaring exception of one thing: "Colors of the Wind." That song sequence is undeniably some of the best 3 and a half minutes in Disney history and still gives me chills whenever I see it. I just wish the rest of the film had been as visually driven, as opposed to clashing mostly flat characters and failed comic relief with the potently magnificent scenery. I don't know when I specifically said that movie "sucked," but it's still undoubtedly one of the lesser films in the Disney canon. I just find the feature overall boring, as it's missing the sense of adventure and charm of most Disney films of its era.

Oh, and just for the record, it's not just the critics who didn't care that much for Oliver & Company and Pocahontas. The former has a 6.7 IMDB average, while the latter has a 6.6; on a general level, those are adequate mean scores, but by Disney standards, they're below average. A lot of the positive reviews, anyway, are probably the result of childhood Disney nostalgia.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/18/16 at 2:15 pm


It's still much better than Oliver & Company, but it wasn't as kid-friendly or marketable as that, hence its failure and Eilonwy being denied Disney Princess membership.

Yeah Black Cauldron was the sheesh!!!!! :D :D :D

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/18/16 at 2:35 pm

Oliver and Company was 80's as hell!  ::)

I'm saying that as a good thing, to be clear.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/18/16 at 8:07 pm

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bOTDVT7v15I/hqdefault.jpg

I only like Pocahontas because of the ice cream series that came out during that era.

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Written By: Toon on 03/18/16 at 9:12 pm


Oliver and Company was 80's as hell!  ::)

I'm saying that as a good thing, to be clear.


Which is interesting as Disney movies never really give off the vibe of the era that they came from.

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/18/16 at 10:17 pm


Which is interesting as Disney movies never really give off the vibe of the era that they came from.


Emperor's New Groove felt pretty early 00's to me.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/18/16 at 10:42 pm


Emperor's New Groove felt pretty early 00's to me.


I agree.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/18/16 at 10:44 pm


Which is interesting as Disney movies never really give off the vibe of the era that they came from.


I couldn't tell what year Beauty and the Beast came out if I didn't know the year. :.shrugs shoulders:.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/18/16 at 10:49 pm

Anyone notice that the 1989 to 1994 era of the 90's renaissance is more well loved than the 1995 to 1999/2000 years?  ???

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/18/16 at 10:53 pm


I couldn't tell what year Beauty and the Beast came out if I didn't know the year. :.shrugs shoulders:.


It came out in 1991.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/18/16 at 10:55 pm


It came out in 1991.


Oh, I know that. I'm just saying that without knowing that it came out precisely in 1991, I couldn't have guess it.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/19/16 at 12:39 am


Emperor's New Groove felt pretty early 00's to me.

It kinda did, but then again it was still pretty transitional.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/19/16 at 12:41 am

I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: #Infinity on 03/19/16 at 1:23 am


I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.


I just associate Toy Story 2 with the core Y2K era, aka Spring 1999 - September 11, 2001. It didn't lean strongly towards the past, nor the future. It's a sequel to a mid-90s movie and came out at the end of the chronological 90s, but it's part of Pixar's golden age, which extends all the way up to 2010 with Toy Story 3.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/19/16 at 4:03 am


I just associate Toy Story 2 with the core Y2K era, aka Spring 1999 - September 11, 2001. It didn't lean strongly towards the past, nor the future. It's a sequel to a mid-90s movie and came out at the end of the chronological 90s, but it's part of Pixar's golden age, which extends all the way up to 2010 with Toy Story 3.

Fair enough! :)

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/19/16 at 8:22 am


I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.


Well.. even though Toy Story 2 was more popular in the early '00s, I still find it to be very 90s. I mean, a lot of people were excited about the movie during its theatrical release. Hell, I bet if you go on YouTube, tons of 90s kids would say they loved Toy Story 2 as a kid.

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/19/16 at 9:39 am


I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.


I associate everything from 1998 and 1999 with the early 00's and everything from 2000/2001/2002 with the late 90's.


It kinda did, but then again it was still pretty transitional.



I dunno if I can agree. To me, it has the same feel of Lilo and Stitch and Atlantis.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Gdowe1991 on 03/19/16 at 9:53 am


I have a question for you guys. Do you guys associate Toy Story 2 with the VERY early 00s?
I know it came out in late 1999, but it was released in 2000 on VHS and from 2000-2002 I watched it A LOT on my free time.
For me personally I would have to say yes. When I talk of 90s movies I usually have a strange look when somebody mentions Toy Story 2 being that it came out so late in 1999 it only had theatrical run for only one full month of the 90s unlike the 1st Toy Story which came out during the heart of the 90s. I would associate Toy Story 2 mostly with the year 2000 and very early 2001.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: 80sfan on 03/19/16 at 10:27 am

The renaissance ended around the 1600's!  :D

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/19/16 at 11:50 am


The renaissance ended around the 1600's!  :D


http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/19/16 at 11:53 am


http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg


Morgan Freeman is God. The racists will have an emotional breakdown!  ::)  :D

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 03/19/16 at 11:58 am


Morgan Freeman is God. The racists will have an emotional breakdown!  ::)  :D


Hahaha, the entire south will freak out. ;D

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/19/16 at 12:37 pm


Well.. even though Toy Story 2 was more popular in the early '00s, I still find it to be very 90s. I mean, a lot of people were excited about the movie during its theatrical release. Hell, I bet if you go on YouTube, tons of 90s kids would say they loved Toy Story 2 as a kid.

Actually when I first saw Toy Story when it was out, it looked and FELT brand new to me. The first toy story had that iconic classic 90s feel to it. Toy Story 2 on the other hand...like Infinity and Jordan said was VERY Y2K like.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 03/19/16 at 12:42 pm


For me personally I would have to say yes. When I talk of 90s movies I usually have a strange look when somebody mentions Toy Story 2 being that it came out so late in 1999 it only had theatrical run for only one full month of the 90s unlike the 1st Toy Story which came out during the heart of the 90s. I would associate Toy Story 2 mostly with the year 2000 and very early 2001.

Me too. During the time it was out,that movie impacted young ''90s kids''(like yourself) and older ''00s kids'' equally. That movie felt Y2Kish, and looked REALLY brand new.

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Written By: 80sfan on 03/19/16 at 1:15 pm


Hahaha, the entire south will freak out. ;D


Yes,.....yes they will!  :(

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/19/16 at 1:23 pm


Actually when I first saw Toy Story when it was out, it looked and FELT brand new to me. The first toy story had that iconic classic 90s feel to it. Toy Story 2 on the other hand...like Infinity and Jordan said was VERY Y2K like.


Well... it does have a Y2K vibe, so yeah.

Subject: Re: Which movie represents the end of the 80s-90s Disney Renaissance for you?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 03/19/16 at 1:26 pm


Morgan Freeman is God. The racists will have an emotional breakdown!  ::)  :D


I think the most Southern/pro-Confederate states would cause a riot towards Morgan Freeman, if that were the case.

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