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Subject: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/10/03 at 03:00 p.m.

Why was poseidon originally angry at odyseus? i thought it was because of odysseus' bragging after the trojan war but a summary website i looked at said that poseidon just got angry because O. blinded polyphemus "poseidon's son" which doesn't make any sense to me because i thought that the cyclops were  born during the era of the titans which was before olympian gods like poseidon. This is for research for a parody

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Billy_Florio on 10/10/03 at 04:32 p.m.

ok, I think Posiden was originally mad at him because he didnt sacrafice to him...but I think that was in the Iliad...in the Odessey it was indeed because he killed his son (the Cyclops)....Dont ask me how a God gives birth to a cyclops, I dont know....

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/10/03 at 04:49 p.m.

phil should know for sure hopefully he'll come here soon

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Billy_Florio on 10/10/03 at 07:40 p.m.


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phil should know for sure hopefully he'll come here soon
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if this was like three years ago, I could have quoted the Odessey and Iliad for you line by line....I was that good lol

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Wicked on 10/10/03 at 07:58 p.m.

Poseidon was angry at Odysseus for blinding Polyphemus, but that seems stupid because he was about to eat Odysseus, what did he expect him to do?

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: RockandRollFan on 10/10/03 at 08:06 p.m.

In the 1970's here In Colorado Springs there was a nightclub of the same name...

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Billy_Florio on 10/10/03 at 08:08 p.m.


Quoting:
Poseidon was angry at Odysseus for blinding Polyphemus, but that seems stupid because he was about to eat Odysseus, what did he expect him to do?
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thas right, he was blinded, not killed

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/10/03 at 08:09 p.m.

but what was it that got him blown off course in the 1st place so that he ended up on polyphemus' island

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/10/03 at 08:15 p.m.

i also don't think that poseidon knew it was odysseus who blinded the cyclops since polyphemus thought odyseus' name was "noman"

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Billy_Florio on 10/10/03 at 08:18 p.m.


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but what was it that got him blown off course in the 1st place so that he ended up on polyphemus' island
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I think that might have been because he refused to sacrifice a girl to him (and the girls name is slipping my mind...nuts)....I think thats in the Iliad though.....

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/10/03 at 08:24 p.m.

and does the trojan horse have anything to do with it? if it doesnt i have to change what ive written so far

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Wicked on 10/10/03 at 08:58 p.m.

Polyphemus knows it was Odysseus that blinds him, because when Odysseus is sailing away he yells telling him that it was him that blinded the Cyclops.  Poseidon didn't blow them off their course, Odysseus just happened to end up there, because of the wind.  The Trojan Horse doesn't happen in Odyssey, it happens in Iliad.  

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/10/03 at 09:18 p.m.

i'm going to wait for phil(bo baggins)' opinion

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Goreripper on 10/13/03 at 06:30 a.m.

Odysseus angered Poseidon when he blinded his son, Polyphemus, and then bragged about it. That's why he took ten years to get from Turkey to Greece.

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Goreripper on 10/13/03 at 06:32 a.m.


Quoting:blinded polyphemus "poseidon's son" which doesn't make any sense to me because i thought that the cyclops were  born during the era of the titans which was before olympian gods like poseidon. End Quote



The other Cyclopses were Titans, but Polyphemus was born later.

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: philbo_baggins on 10/13/03 at 07:16 a.m.

Sorry to let you guys down, but I really can't remember in that sort of detail...

I've got a copy of the Odyssey at home, as a twin-set with the Iliad - and I didn't even use that for research for my BoRap parody: on-line sources were that bit more convenient, and memory was a dead loss: it must be twenty years ago I actually studied the thing.

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i also don't think that poseidon knew it was odysseus who blinded the cyclops since polyphemus thought odyseus' name was "noman"
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But I can answer that: the last thing Odysseus said to Polyphemus as he was sailing away was "Noman didn't blind you, it was me, Odysseus"... and without that bit of bravado, the Odyssey would have been loads shorter as Poseidon wouldn't have known who to get at.

I also seem to remember that Odysseus got Polyphemus drunk first - very sensible tactic, IMO, when fighting demigods

wrt your initial question, Polyphemus is Poseidon's son - described as one of the "younger cyclops", i.e. sort of a second-generation one-eyed git (if you've not come across the "that's the one I'd get" joke :-)) - can't find any reference as to who his mother actually was, presumably a she-cyclops of some kind...

Another interesting aside: There was a seer, named Telemus, who foretold that he would one day lose his eye to a hero. Polyphemus would kill and devour any man who set foot on the island.
In other words, Polyphemus only started killing and eating men after Telemus told him he'd lose his eye to a hero... but Odysseus only blinded him to save him and his men from being eaten.  There's a lot of that: if Oedipus' father hadn't been told that his son would kill him and marry the queen, he wouldn't have sent Oedipus off into the woods so that story wouldn't have happened either.  Prophesy is a double-edged sword...

Phil
PS So, Ethan, what's the parody going to be?

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 10/13/03 at 08:49 a.m.

i'm not telling yet since i've got a bunch of rewriting to do and i probably won't finish for a long time

Subject: Re: question about homer's odyssey

Written By: Billy_Florio on 10/13/03 at 02:19 p.m.


the father of the cyclops is probably not even known by Posiden himself.  the gods like Zeus and Posiden were going around having sex with everything (and the offspring were born in very unusual ways..I think its Athena that comes out of Zeus' head ...it might be Artimus..I dont remember, its which ever one is not Apollos full sister......the offspring could have been a cyclops, but the mother a mortal...nothiong makes sense in mythology)