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Subject: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/02/03 at 01:52 p.m.

if you saw the message on the front page of the site about voting fraud, here's an explanation of what I'm talking about.

Yesterday, a couple of people began voting multiple of times on several William Tong parodies.. since I doubt William Tong would start voting on his own parodies suddenly after two years of submitting, I can safely assume it was done by someone who disagrees with his politics..

I am not going to be fooled into removing parodies from the site by someone voting multiple times on a single parody, especially when the parody author has been coming here for years. What will happen though, is the voting totals that I run, will be removed.. which means you can still vote on parodies, but the running totals (the weekly top ten, etc) will no longer be calculated. If there's no top tens, there's no reason to artificially inflate someone's vote counts, since the voting is just there for the author to gauge visitor feedback..

I had to stop the top ten lists before due to system problems. One of the reasons I hesitated to bring back the top tens when I was able to fix it, was because of stuff just like this.. it only takes a couple of immature people to ruin it for everyone I'm afraid. It takes me a few minutes to clean things up after something like this, and I can't really spend all my time chasing after crap like this.. maybe with the new commentary features on the site, the voting stuff is not really important for the parody authors as it once was..

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/02/03 at 06:00 p.m.

wow that sucks, i hope that my actions earlier didnt influence this, and if it is im sorry, but i gotta say im gonna miss the top 10, it was like the only reason i submitted parodies. but oh well.

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Tone-Def on 01/02/03 at 06:09 p.m.

voting results are important... even though i make ita lot less often then the one in 6 times that its supposedly done. It's worse to have them taken away forever than be incorrect once in awhile  
because of voter fraud. If the purpose of the voter fraud is to ruin things for legitamate authors then taking away the voting results achieves their goal for them.

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Rice Cube on 01/02/03 at 06:42 p.m.

My house has several computers on an intranet, and so does my lab.  What I do is show people my parodies and ask them to vote honestly on different computers.  I wonder if this constitutes voter fraud, since technically, all those computers belong to me?  ???

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/02/03 at 06:44 p.m.

Please chuck dont take the top 10, its our trl :'(, please be our Carson.  ;D

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: lebeiw15 on 01/02/03 at 06:48 p.m.

I think the voting results are important for feedback too, and not just the commentary section, since not everyone leaves comments on parodies with the new comments feature.  It's also annoying when people inflate votes, i don't exactly see what good it it is doing them, except maybe to raise their self esteem.  

As for the charts, I don't care if they're taken away; I never even look at them anyway.

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: lebeiw15 on 01/02/03 at 06:50 p.m.


Quoting:
Please chuck dont take the top 10, its our trl :'(, please be our Carson.  ;D
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Yeah, but if people want to abuse, it, that's what happens; everyone suffers the consequences...

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/02/03 at 06:51 p.m.


Quoting:
My house has several computers on an intranet, and so does my lab.  What I do is show people my parodies and ask them to vote honestly on different computers.  I wonder if this constitutes voter fraud, since technically, all those computers belong to me?  ???
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it could, if you had 70 people vote on a single parody, like one of the parodies did yesterday...

I only announce the removal of the top tens as a last resort.. if I have to deal with nonsense like this every day, or every week, it's going to kill it..

I'd like to think parody authors want to see how well their parody is received, not necessarily how much better it performs compared to other parodies on the site..

as the site gets more popular.. it's quite possible that stuff like this will happen more often.. the only other option is to create a verified user system, make people sign up for accounts to vote. There's still an element of fraud possible, but it's less easy to cause problems with a system like that.. unfortunately, it would mean a lot fewer votes from site visitors.. and I know that casual site visitors will be less likely to go through the hassle of signing up for an account just to leave a vote on someone's parody.. and if I moved to a verified voter type scheme, I would have to restart vote counts in order to be fair, and that means a lot of parodies will probably never see any votes..

I even thought about maybe a committee of parody authors to review new parodies on the site, but with over 30 new parodies a day, I doubt anyone wants to sign up for reading every new parody to hit the site each day..

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/02/03 at 07:01 p.m.


Quoting:
If the purpose of the voter fraud is to ruin things for legitamate authors then taking away the voting results achieves their goal for them.
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yeah, but why would someone cheat to have them removed? they're not really used prominently on the site anymore... that's why I don't understand why these people did it..

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/02/03 at 07:12 p.m.

well all i have to say is that when i submit a parody, i love the feeling when it hits #1 and even though ive only had a few, i always try to outdo myself. and if theres no voting results and no top 10 what will my motivation be, the comments file, i think not, i mean its a cool thing but i dont have that many. Peace Ghetto John

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Crazy Don on 01/02/03 at 07:15 p.m.

I know my "Osama Got Run Over by a Reindeer" has been in the top 10 lately, and that song's a year old!  I know I haven't been stuffing the ballot box on that one!  Because if I did, I would come right out and admit it!

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Tone-Def on 01/02/03 at 07:27 p.m.

I haven't hit number one overall weekly yet and i don't want the charts to be cut down before i have a chance to do so (sick of himm should've made it but mike armstrong's welcome to mcdonalds got in the way)

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/02/03 at 07:39 p.m.


Quoting:
I know my "Osama Got Run Over by a Reindeer" has been in the top 10 lately, and that song's a year old!  I know I haven't been stuffing the ballot box on that one!  Because if I did, I would come right out and admit it!
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oh your the author of me and S.T.G's parody competition, you have to admit we had a good run on you for a while. but yeah this one dude hasnt got to hit it yet its a big thing to us non S.T.G./TONG parody authors.

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/02/03 at 08:34 p.m.

I should just point out.. that I've only said I'd remove the top ten totals if the voting fraud continues.. I'm not going to do it after once incident..

what disturbs me is that someone did it on several parodies that weren't there own.. probably in an attempt to discredit that person.. and that they took the time to do it on several parodies.. and since I change how I do the voting totals, I may find more instances of cheating tomorrow when the vote totals run again.. judging from the time when it occured, I'm guessing they're in the UK..

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Tone-Def on 01/02/03 at 08:45 p.m.

william tong is probably going to have a field day dissing whoever did this

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/02/03 at 08:49 p.m.


Quoting:
william tong is probably going to have a field day dissing whoever did this
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I'm sure he would, if he knew who did it.. it looked like two people.. and one would always vote badly, the other positive.. so who knows, maybe someone was trying to defend his honor or something.. all I know is it wasted twenty minutes of my day when I was I was working on something else

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: shazzaah on 01/02/03 at 09:07 p.m.

I've only just now put one parody on there and I would only want honest opinions of what people think of it. I don't understand why someone would want to mess things up that way. :-/

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/02/03 at 10:13 p.m.

me and some of my friends did it once, but it was for our parodies, and it was a plan to get attention and nothing more, and to this day its once of the things i regret the most.
i dont know how many times ive apologized to Chuck about it, but as far as doing to other peoples song, that makes no sense. Thats just cold.

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: iam4iu42 on 01/02/03 at 10:27 p.m.

"I haven't hit number one overall weekly yet and i don't want the charts to be cut down before i have a chance to do so (sick of himm should've made it but mike armstrong's welcome to mcdonalds got in the way)"

Sorry bout that Tone-Def.  I agree that it was a good song, but take solace in the fact that "welcome to mcdonald's" is one of my few #1's, so it wasn't like being beat by a william tong song  :)

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/02/03 at 11:07 p.m.

i submitted a parody about the whole voting fraud, and if im correct its all up to code. i dont mention any names in any threatning way, and i glorify CHUCKY!

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Billy_Florio on 01/03/03 at 01:01 a.m.

what I want most is feedback.  I want to know what the fans and other writers think of my parodies.  I want to know what my hits are and what my misses are.  THe comments section, i hoped, would amplifly this, and i would finally get better feedback than just voting.  As of right now, I only have 3 comments on my parodies, and one of them is mine in response to Tone def's comment.  The voting charts provided me with somewhat a good source of feedback.  I can see which parodies were really liked by the readers, and what they thought, plus it gave more exposure to my parodies, thus giving me more feedback from more people.  I wouldnt have a problem with the removal of the charts if I got more comments, but since those havent really caught on yet, I think I still need the charts to see true feedback.  I hate going by the charts,but sometimes I need to.  
So, what Im getting at is, I don t want this crises to be brought to the point of Chuck having to remove the charts.  So, if you are the ones that are causing this, and your reading this...stop.  With the latest thing, whether you like WIlliam Tong, or hate William Tong, theres no need to inflate his votes to get back at him, or honor him, or whatever.  If you dont like his politics, just dont read it, if you do like it, great, vote, but vote once, not fifty times, and vote honestly, not all 5, 5, 5, just because you like his opinion.  Vote honestly to the song's strong and low points....if the pacing stinks, vote lower on pacing...if the songs really funny, vote higher on the funny scale.  Because frankly, i write political ones too, and a vote of 1,1,1 or 5,5,5 just because you agree/disagree with the opinions, doesnt help me...I dont expect everyone to agree with the politics, if youre going to vote 1,1,1 just to spite me, then just dont vote..its not worth it.  And I know that this is counteracting the whole get your vote out campaign, but voting low or high just for spite or praise doesnt help...I only vote all 5's when it desearves it, and I only vote all 1's when it desearves it.  Alright, Im rambling now, and getting off topic, but I dont think I can afford not having acuret feedback.  

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: jbuchoff on 01/03/03 at 07:21 a.m.

Billy,

I would have left some feedback on some of your older parodies (Swedish Fish, for example), but they don't have the comments activated.  Might want to ask Chuck to put the comments section on all of your older parodies...I've gotten comments from people just surfing the site who happen to hit them.  As well as from the "group" here (thanks!)

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: STG on 01/03/03 at 07:24 a.m.

Hey Will,
 If you get the chance diss on those suckers. Do what I do, get mad make fun of a parody involving everyone I'm mad at.

HEHEHEHE DIE YOU FRAUD VOTERS.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Peace

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Billy_Florio on 01/03/03 at 04:19 p.m.


Quoting:
Billy,

I would have left some feedback on some of your older parodies (Swedish Fish, for example), but they don't have the comments activated.  Might want to ask Chuck to put the comments section on all of your older parodies...I've gotten comments from people just surfing the site who happen to hit them.  As well as from the "group" here (thanks!)
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Thank you Jeff, I probably should get Chuck to add the comments form to my old parodies..thats a good idea.  

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: lebeiw15 on 01/03/03 at 04:46 p.m.

Yeah, I had him do it to mine, even though no one has left comments on any older ones yet...

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: The_Ghetto_John on 01/03/03 at 08:23 p.m.

does anybody have alot of comments?

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: jbuchoff on 01/03/03 at 09:59 p.m.

I've had 8

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Tone-Def on 01/03/03 at 10:31 p.m.

i've had 16 not including the 3 or 4 that i wrote on my own parodies

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: Tone-Def on 01/03/03 at 10:32 p.m.

but none on the older ones especially since they've only had comments for a day

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: philbo_baggins on 01/07/03 at 06:10 a.m.


Quoting:
My house has several computers on an intranet, and so does my lab.
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I have three computers right next to me, and about a dozen more in the building with VNC (that's remote control software) installed, so in theory I could vote fifteen times without even leaving my seat :-)

...and if you include different browsers (seeing as voting details are cookie-based), I've got four on this machine (Opera, Mosaic, Netscape and some bit of bloatware full of security holes which I only use if I absolutely have to)... hell I could get my vote counts as high as Tongs if I really wanted to.  But that's not really the point, is it?  



Quoting:
does anybody have alot of comments?
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Depends what you'd call a lot: I think there's about twenty that I didn't write, and I've added about half that number - though a thought occurred to me, in that it would be quite interesting to be able to see what other comments someone has submitted (i.e. to be able to view comments by commentor) - what do you say, Chucky?


Phil

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: ChuckyG on 01/07/03 at 09:30 a.m.


Quoting:
Depends what you'd call a lot: I think there's about twenty that I didn't write, and I've added about half that number - though a thought occurred to me, in that it would be quite interesting to be able to see what other comments someone has submitted (i.e. to be able to view comments by commentor) - what do you say, Chucky?
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I don't know about that.. since I don't really have a secure username function, where it insures that the same person always uses the same name, it could cause problems with people leaving bad comments using a similar name as someone else.. I did have plans to make a sign up for account type thing (based on email address) for people to use for leaving comments.. but since it isn't a really popular function yet, I've decided against spending time on it. Better to focus my efforts on features people use heavily..

there's only maybe twenty comments left on the entire site every day, so it's still not really popular or anything.. I did put a link on author pages at the bottom of their parody listings so you can see all the comments left for your parodies at a glance..

Subject: Re: Voting fraud on amiright

Written By: philbo_baggins on 01/07/03 at 10:05 a.m.


Quoting:
but since it isn't a really popular function yet, I've decided against spending time on it. Better to focus my efforts on features people use heavily..
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I had a feeling you'd say that :-)  Still, nothing ventured...


Quoting:
I did put a link on author pages at the bottom of their parody listings so you can see all the comments left for your parodies at a glance..
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I know - I scan it occasionally to see what people are saying about my parodies.

Phil