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Subject: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Jimmy_J. on 10/03/03 at 06:30 p.m.

I've just noticed that Malcolm Higgins is only 22 parodies away from Bill Tong.  I wonder how long it's gonna be until they tie with parodies and who gets more in the end.

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: ChuckyG on 10/03/03 at 06:46 p.m.


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I've just noticed that Malcolm Higgins is only 22 parodies away from Bill Tong.  I wonder how long it's gonna be until they tie with parodies and who gets more in the end.
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well, Malcolm has a few hundred on the old site I used to run, whatfreaks, that couldn't be posted on amiright, so I think at this point it's sort of a pointless competition..

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Claude_Prez on 10/04/03 at 02:14 p.m.


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well, Malcolm has a few hundred on the old site I used to run, whatfreaks, that couldn't be posted on amiright, so I think at this point it's sort of a pointless competition..
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It's obviously not pointless to them.  I like the idea you had awhile ago about seeing who gets to a thousand first.  I apologize if this has been discussed before, but it might make it interesting if as soon as the "winner" reaches 1,000, you imposed a daily limit of three songs per person.  Not just for them but for the whole site, to keep this sort of thing (which I get the impression you dislike) from happening again.  It kind of seems inevitable eventually, and I'm sure even the people who hate the policy would prefer it to the possibility of you shutting down the site because it's too much work. Just a thought.

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Rice_Cube on 10/04/03 at 02:22 p.m.


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It's obviously not pointless to them.  I like the idea you had awhile ago about seeing who gets to a thousand first.  I apologize if this has been discussed before, but it might make it interesting if as soon as the "winner" reaches 1,000, you imposed a daily limit of three songs per person.  Not just for them but for the whole site, to keep this sort of thing (which I get the impression you dislike) from happening again.  It kind of seems inevitable eventually, and I'm sure even the people who hate the policy would prefer it to the possibility of you shutting down the site because it's too much work. Just a thought.
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I think there was a two-per-day policy when it was submissions through e-mail, but since the automatic submission form was set up it doesn't seem like it's being enforced anymore.

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: ChuckyG on 10/04/03 at 02:58 p.m.


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I think there was a two-per-day policy when it was submissions through e-mail, but since the automatic submission form was set up it doesn't seem like it's being enforced anymore.
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yeah, that was like two years ago old-timer.. >grin<

to be honest, I haven't got that many submissions right now anyways, so it's not a big deal.. if someone is clearly submitting junk, no one will read it.. and the person will figure it out..

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Billy_Florio on 10/04/03 at 03:02 p.m.

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yeah, that was like two years ago old-timer.. >grin<

to be honest, I haven't got that many submissions right now anyways, so it's not a big deal.. if someone is clearly submitting junk, no one will read it.. and the person will figure it out..
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my God, that means Im an old timer too, cause I remember that lol.....it was like only put one parody per email, and only 2 per day lol....

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Will on 10/06/03 at 09:18 a.m.

Chuck is right... it is a rather pointless chase.  In a good month, I might be able to write 30 political parodies, and it's been quite a while since I've done that many.  Malcolm has far exceeded that rate of production, so it's inevitable, he'll overtake me.  I have a lot of new political parodies that I'm working on now, following the news cycle, but little free time to complete them.

The stats of mine that should stand out are total votes (26,000+), #1 hits for the week (62), and #1 hits for the month (19).  Those should stand for a long time, I think.

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well, Malcolm has a few hundred on the old site I used to run, whatfreaks, that couldn't be posted on amiright, so I think at this point it's sort of a pointless competition..
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Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Kalor on 10/06/03 at 09:57 p.m.

IMHO, it's not about quantity.

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: ChuckyG on 10/06/03 at 10:21 p.m.

I think Malcolm's more eager about hitting 1,000 right now more than anything else.. he mentioned he's going to be laid up for about a week, and highly medicated, so I'm sure the parodies are only going to get stranger... and come at an even faster rate

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: str810up on 10/08/03 at 06:58 p.m.


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Chuck is right... it is a rather pointless chase.  In a good month, I might be able to write 30 political parodies, and it's been quite a while since I've done that many.  Malcolm has far exceeded that rate of production, so it's inevitable, he'll overtake me.  I have a lot of new political parodies that I'm working on now, following the news cycle, but little free time to complete them.

The stats of mine that should stand out are total votes (26,000+), #1 hits for the week (62), and #1 hits for the month (19).  Those should stand for a long time, I think.


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Will - I do not doubt that you have 26,000 plus votes but something has bothered me about this since I came onto the site a few months back.  I do not understand why others do not have something close in ratio per song to your number of total votes. Were there just a lot more people on this site when you started that would account for this?  It would seem that vote counts should be rising sharply since the number of authors with over ten songs went from around 120 about 183 where it is now in just a few months.  Any idea why this is so?

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Claude_Prez on 10/08/03 at 07:37 p.m.


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Will - I do not doubt that you have 26,000 plus votes but something has bothered me about this since I came onto the site a few months back.  I do not understand why others do not have something close in ratio per song to your number of total votes. Were there just a lot more people on this site when you started that would account for this?  It would seem that vote counts should be rising sharply since the number of authors with over ten songs went from around 120 about 183 where it is now in just a few months.  Any idea why this is so?
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I know you weren't talking to me, but I think it's because he brings over a lot of people from his website.

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: str810up on 10/08/03 at 07:42 p.m.

Thanks - That is one explanation and it sounds plausible.  If this is so it seems like an unfair advantage.  The rest of us do not have an entourage that follows up in which to compete.  

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Claude_Prez on 10/08/03 at 08:13 p.m.


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Thanks - That is one explanation and it sounds plausible.  If this is so it seems like an unfair advantage.  The rest of us do not have an entourage that follows up in which to compete.  
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Well, it's a matter of degree.  I confess I told a guy at work about this site once and I got a vote out of it.  Lots of people send links to their songs to friends and family and get extra votes and I'm sure there are a few others with their own sites who send people here (including Spaff, my personal fave, who in my opinion deserves every vote he gets and more).  So where do you draw the line?  And if you draw the line, how do you enforce it?  I think Chuck has mentioned in the past that Tong's visitors have helped this site grow a great deal.  I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it's all people sincerely interested in parodies.  I personally know very few people like that so I don't usually even bring it up, but other people (like Tong, through his website) do.  It's not worth taking that seriously.  Besides, I get waaaaaaaay more comments than he does :D  

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Meriadoc on 10/08/03 at 08:28 p.m.


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The stats of mine that should stand out are total votes (26,000+), #1 hits for the week (62), and #1 hits for the month (19).  Those should stand for a long time, I think.
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Personally, Will, I think you should get an award for finding 24 persons familiar enough with Painted Lady (sic) to vote on it... I thought I was the only one on the planet who owned this record... ::) :D

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/ianthomas0.shtml

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: str810up on 10/08/03 at 08:35 p.m.

I don't really care one way or the other.  I just can't put a lot of stock into votes on this site since it is so eaay to gain advantage.  I have people at work that vote for me but I don't ask them to.  They just enjoy the parodies.  I've been writing parodies and emailing people at work long before I found this site.  I'm just curious and although you make a good explanation for this, I need to hear it from the horse's mouth.  Thanks for your input Claude. And whoa duh - Almost everyone has more comments than him for obvious reasons.  If the comments were on then the rest of us might see the correlation between his songs voting tally and the number of comments.  And I fail to see how Tong's people help the site if all they do is come here and read only Tong's parodies by and large.  If they were helping then there would be a more even realtionship between Tong's tallies and everyone elses.  Seems all they help is Tong.  

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Will on 10/08/03 at 09:40 p.m.

My web site has existed since 1998, and I started not from scratch, but with about 80 parodies that I had written from 1995-96.  What my web site visitors do and vote for is none of my business, and I certainly don't tell them how to vote, nor do I even know most of them by name.  If that's an unfair advantage, that's just the way things are - my web site existed before Amiright.  I held back from posting my older parodies for 3 years until Malcolm decided to go on a parody writing tear.  

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I don't really care one way or the other.  I just can't put a lot of stock into votes on this site since it is so eaay to gain advantage.  I have people at work that vote for me but I don't ask them to.  They just enjoy the parodies.  I've been writing parodies and emailing people at work long before I found this site.  I'm just curious and although you make a good explanation for this, I need to hear it from the horse's mouth.  Thanks for your input Claude. And whoa duh - Almost everyone has more comments than him for obvious reasons.  If the comments were on then the rest of us might see the correlation between his songs voting tally and the number of comments.  And I fail to see how Tong's people help the site if all they do is come here and read only Tong's parodies by and large.  If they were helping then there would be a more even realtionship between Tong's tallies and everyone elses.  Seems all they help is Tong.  
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Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Will on 10/08/03 at 09:44 p.m.

Thanks.  Well, first of all, I do own the "Painted Ladies" 45 RPM record by Ian Thomas, so you're not alone.   ;) Second, I didn't "find" the voters; the voters found my parodies.  My web site gets a lot of hits (over 111,000 in under 5 years) from visitors who are primarily interested in politics, and I do encourage them to visit Amiright.

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Personally, Will, I think you should get an award for finding 24 persons familiar enough with Painted Lady (sic) to vote on it... I thought I was the only one on the planet who owned this record... ::) :D

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/ianthomas0.shtml
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Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: Will on 10/08/03 at 09:53 p.m.

I am frankly surprised that so many people vote on my parodies.  I freely admit that many of my political song parodies are controversial, and besides votes from my web site visitors, I seem to also get a lot of 1-1-1 spite votes.  But the way the Amright voting system works, a lot of 1-1-1 votes isn't necessarily bad, if the total number of votes accumulates to a high number.  

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Will - I do not doubt that you have 26,000 plus votes but something has bothered me about this since I came onto the site a few months back.  I do not understand why others do not have something close in ratio per song to your number of total votes. Were there just a lot more people on this site when you started that would account for this?  It would seem that vote counts should be rising sharply since the number of authors with over ten songs went from around 120 about 183 where it is now in just a few months.  Any idea why this is so?
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Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: philbo_baggins on 10/09/03 at 03:31 a.m.

Quoting:
I do not understand why others do not have something close in ratio per song to your number of total votes. Were there just a lot more people on this site when you started that would account for this?  It would seem that vote counts should be rising sharply since the number of authors with over ten songs went from around 120 about 183 where it is now in just a few months.  Any idea why this is so?
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Speaking as a middle-term sort of author (i.e. somewhere between Will and MysteryGoat), since I've been here I've noticed a dropping off in Will's votes per parody: when I started, the top five lists (before Chucky increased the size)were usually three or four Tong songs, usually inspiring a couple of dozen votes or more - the really good ones showing several times that (look at the top 100 all-time list, and you'll see what I mean); nowadays he doesn't garner quite the same number of votes per parody - I'm not sure exactly why, but it could be to do with the number of other authors giving loads more choice: if time available is finite, people will be looking through a smaller percentage of parodies.

If you extrapolate back to before my time at amiright, the logical deduction would be that Will was getting even more votes per parody then than he was when I started, a theory borne out by his extremely high vote count.  

There is a natural conclusion to this - it really isn't worth trying to compare the votes at the amiright we have now to the amiright of three years ago; also that although if you have Malcolm's prolific output, you might catch up in numbers of parodies, but unless you have dozens of fans or friends willing to vote them all (I value my friends too much to pass on every parody I write), or a site like Will's which gets a large audience of like-minded people, quite a few of whom vote regularly - you ain't never going to come close to that vote count.

To summarize, it really isn't worth looking up at the top of the table and thinking "how come..." - concentrate instead on getting your own parodies as good as you can.  Having said that, browsing through some of Will's would be a good exercise in "what makes a good parody", as they are technically extremely tight.

One last thing before I finish this (increasingly long) missive: Will's website also contains links to similarly-themed parodies written by other authors, i.e. it's not there to boost the Will Tong vote count, but to boost the anti-Republican one - you write a good right-wing-bashing parody, and I'm sure Will will be happy to put a link up to it (Will?)

Phil

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: str810up on 10/09/03 at 05:38 a.m.

Well, since I have only been on this site for a very short time I had to ask the questions about this since Will brought it up earlier on this thread.  I have a much better understanding of how things may be working out here.  I just could never understand that huge disparity in the vote count and I was not suggesting anything but a notice of it and that was all.  I do not do bad with my songs and I don't need to review anyone elses work to get ideas to get me 'started' out here.  I have top ten hits of my own but thanks the same for the suggestion.

So I can see how Will does help the site but only with political type songs.  So I will rephrase my speculation and that was all it was, speculation, that his songs only help him.  It seems to help out but only by attracting people who like the political type satire.  I write a variety of different types of parody to include some political stuff.  I am glad that Will is so successful and I am not as keyed up on the 'race' between Malcolm and him as are so many others.  I like to concentrate on writing a few good parodies rather than a lot of not so good ones, although I do get bursts of creativity where I can put five or more fairly good ones out in one day but this is not often and usually are in the works for a day or two before submission.  So thank you one and all for helping me to understand this disparity that has been gently nagging at me since I first came onto this site.  And thank you Will for responding.

It is hard to get your attention when you leave such few opportunities for comments on your songs and I can almost understand why you do this.  I think you should allow the comment field open on maybe one out of ten of your political parodies just to see how much flame it would attract.  It may be interesting to see what the rest of the voters out here think of you.  Also, voting 1+1+1 on parodies shows bad voting practice and you are correct about many people doing this to you.  It may be a frustration by these individuals since they want to comment and connot, again speculation, don't take this to the bank.  Your songs are always 4 or above on pace and should reflect this.  Only the other two fields are subjective and can justify any number the voter feels that the writer deserves.  

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: philbo_baggins on 10/09/03 at 06:16 a.m.

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I do not do bad with my songs and I don't need to review anyone elses work to get ideas to get me 'started' out here.  I have top ten hits of my own but thanks the same for the suggestion.
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Sorry if I implied otherwise... I didn't spot your name on the authors list, though, and kind of assumed you were starting out.

Phil

Subject: Re: It's Getting Close...

Written By: str810up on 10/09/03 at 06:48 a.m.


Quoting:

Sorry if I implied otherwise... I didn't spot your name on the authors list, though, and kind of assumed you were starting out.

Phil
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It's OK.  I took it as it was meant to be helpful and I appreciate that.  I didn't make the connection between this screen name and my author name when I registered here in a hasty moment once when I just needed to make a comment.