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Subject: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 11/25/03 at 10:24 p.m.

There should be some way to highlight quality parodies of current hit songs, which are valued more than parodies of oldies just about everywhere besides amiright? I think parodies of new songs used to be more likely to make the top ten lists and then, as claude prez has admitted, a lot of older writers basically overran the site and brought a bunch of fans of older music with them and since then i've been lucky to break 10 votes in a week for a parody of a new song while that happens more often for parodies older songs.  

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Peregrin on 11/26/03 at 07:28 p.m.

Ethan

I think there is a good balance on this site.  I am one of those people who won't vote on a song if I don't know it, and there are plenty each day that I don't know.

Having said that, I consider myself to have quite a wide knowledge of music over a number of decades (but obviously not current day stuff or perhaps the 90's so much)  :-[

I think rather than this site being overrun with oldies as you say (that is a relative term anyway, young'un  :P ;)) - it is one of the few sites I have have seen that seems to have a decent balance rather than being skewed ONLY towards current day songs.   :)

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: K1chyd on 11/27/03 at 11:24 a.m.


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I think rather than this site being overrun with oldies as you say (that is a relative term anyway, young'un  :P ;)) - it is one of the few sites I have have seen that seems to have a decent balance rather than being skewed ONLY towards current day songs.   :)
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Amen to that!

Though I DO see Ethanīs point. And maybe it is easier for us "less young" to see that balance because even if we donīt know the newer songs, we probably do know wheter or not the artist is a household name or not (unless we lived tribal life the last ten years), wheras the youngest might not know even recognize the name of artists who havenīt produced any new material the last 20 years or so, since Golden Oldies are more of a real radio thing than a weīre-using-MTV-as-radio-what-do-you-mean thing. ;)

No offence meant Ethan, but I donīt agree with you here. Though, for the record, you have just given me an idea which Iīm gonna present in a new thread.  :D

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Meriadoc on 11/27/03 at 04:35 p.m.

I have an idea...

This is something that I have been toying with on another board I am on, about possibly starting a 'download' a day project.

Perhaps we could have a download exchange on this board.

Let me explain:

When I vote songs I only vote those I know, which means I unfortunately find myself ignoring a lot of the younger artists. I barely have time to get to the regular voting, much less download songs, but on a few occasions I have gone and got newer songs form KaZaa so I could vote a younger parody artist's work. I could probably find the time to download a few songs a week.

So, maybe we could do an exchange in a thread here, for example I could say in a post:

Ethan, I will go download "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" by Smashing Pumpkins and vote on your parody

http://www.amiright.com/parody/90s/smashingpumpkins1.shtml


within 48 hours if you will go download: Free Electric Band by Albert Hammond and vote on ours:

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/alberthammond5.shtml

This might be a way to introduce some of us oldies to newer music and vice versa. We could all keep a watch on the selected thread here to see if we are being asked to participate...

(I tried this with Mike F. in a parody comment, but I don't think he ever went back and read it... ::) )

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 11/27/03 at 04:53 p.m.

i kinda like your idea, merry except for a couple of problems. 1 is that the only downloading program i have on my computer that isn't in french (my brother downloaded french kazaa) is limewire, which probably won't carry old songs that i consider obscure. But i'll try anyway maybe i'll actually find a song i like in the process. Secondly i don't even really like my bullet with butterfly wings parody its awful ratings make me feel like it should forget it exists which i generally do.

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: wdh on 11/27/03 at 05:29 p.m.

I dunno....old fogies like me like the old stuff  ;D

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Meriadoc on 11/28/03 at 00:52 a.m.


Quoting:
i kinda like your idea, merry except for a couple of problems. 1 is that the only downloading program i have on my computer that isn't in french (my brother downloaded french kazaa) is limewire, which probably won't carry old songs that i consider obscure. But i'll try anyway maybe i'll actually find a song i like in the process. Secondly i don't even really like my bullet with butterfly wings parody its awful ratings make me feel like it should forget it exists which i generally do.
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Well, what is wrong with using the French KaZaa? Surely it doesn't translate all the songs into French? :D ;)

As for the Bullet/Butterfly song, I just looked at your list and grabbed that one at random because it looked lonely.... :)

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Claude_Prez on 11/28/03 at 03:55 a.m.

I think what Ethan is referring to as far as older writers "overrunning" the site is the fact that the pool of people submitting has simply gotten a lot larger.  I referred to this when Diva brought it up in a comment on a parody--when I started here in early March, a lot of the people who've dominated the top ten list since then weren't here yet.  Bob Gomez and Merry and Pippin started about that time, Guy DiRito and Spaff hadn't shown up yet, and people like Johnny D, Rick Duncan and Smurf and Mr. Horse have just shown up in the last couple months.  Before that, I think William Tong was extremely dominant, and if I understand my history correctly it was very youth-dominated before Tong's arrival.  I could be wrong, but it certainly would explain some of the songs in the all-time top 100.  I don't think many people realize how much the site has changed and how much more attention some writers received in the past who can barely get noticed now.  I know it's already a lot more difficult to get a "hit" than it was when I started; a larger talent pool just naturally makes that happen and to me it makes sense that older writers who are presumably more experienced will be dominant.  As long as we're throwing out suggestions, I think a separation along the lines of 90's and 2000's parodies from the 80's and earlier parodies might make sense.  While I'm thinking about it, it occurred to me while reading about BLO-TOWN's awards thing that they may want to do that, focus on more recent parodies or even younger writers only since I think their perceived "snubbing" in the Florio awards is what brought that about anyway.  Like I said, I could be wrong.  But my main point somewhere in here is that there just seems to be two fairly distinct generations competing here, and the kids are gettin' their butts beat, and they don't like it.  A separate parody forum seems like a great idea to me, but I'm not the one who's gonna do all that work.

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Melhi on 11/28/03 at 08:03 a.m.


Quoting:
But my main point somewhere in here is that there just seems to be two fairly distinct generations competing here, and the kids are gettin' their butts beat, and they don't like it.
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In terms of making the top tens,  this old crone is getting her butt soundly whipped, too.  I've *never* had a number one or even cracked the top 5.  I've cracked the top ten with only 4 parodies (one of them to a Puddle of Mudd song, but admittedly, it got up there because it happened to be a slow voting/submissions week) and I've never spent more than 3 days up there (I was up there that long only once, in only one category with the Puddle of Mudd parody.)  Like Ethan, I'm usually lucky to pull in as many as 10 votes on a parody, the first week it's up.  

Mind you, that's with voting daily, leaving comments, parodying oldies, participating in this board, getting nominations and my own category in the amiright awards, receiving lots of great comments from regulars and averaging decent ratings in each category.  So, a lack of votes comparative to those whose parodies regularly appear in the top tens cannot necessarily be attributed to parodying newer material and/or having fewer years of writing experience.  

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: ChuckyG on 11/28/03 at 01:24 p.m.

personally, I think it's sad that there are people who know nothing about music that came out before they were born. The Beatles broke up before I was born, yet I know all their songs very well and yet I still keep up with contemporary music like the White Stripes and the Foo Fighters.

I was seperating music by decade, but there's so much stuff that was either covered in a different decade, or came out in like 1999 vs. 2000 that keeping them properly organized is more work than it's worth. I think if you look at the original performer field, and you don't recognize who the performer is, it doesn't really matter if it's this decade or 30 years ago.

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Billy_Florio on 11/28/03 at 06:50 p.m.


Quoting:
personally, I think it's sad that there are people who know nothing about music that came out before they were born. The Beatles broke up before I was born, yet I know all their songs very well and yet I still keep up with contemporary music like the White Stripes and the Foo Fighters.


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I completely agree with you here!  Its a shame older music is disrgarded by younger generations (including my own!)  I mean, i was born in the early 80s....somehow I feel that I know more about the music from before I was born than the stuff after (though I do follow recent stuff quite a bit...plus, I know a great deal of Indie and underground stuff...I hate the pop charts).......People from my generation and younger should look into older artists.....they might like it...

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Marian on 11/29/03 at 03:39 p.m.


Quoting:
personally, I think it's sad that there are people who know nothing about music that came out before they were born. The Beatles broke up before I was born, yet I know all their songs very well and yet I still keep up with contemporary music like the White Stripes and the Foo Fighters.

I was seperating music by decade, but there's so much stuff that was either covered in a different decade, or came out in like 1999 vs. 2000 that keeping them properly organized is more work than it's worth. I think if you look at the original performer field, and you don't recognize who the performer is, it doesn't really matter if it's this decade or 30 years ago.
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8) 8)Good point1The E verly Brothers had their biggest hits before i was born,but i'm familiar with all of them.Their LP Gone Gone Gone actually cameout the year i was born.Cheers! ;D

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: FussBudgetVanPelt on 11/29/03 at 04:15 p.m.


Quoting:


I completely agree with you here!  Its a shame older music is disrgarded by younger generations (including my own!)  I mean, i was born in the early 80s....somehow I feel that I know more about the music from before I was born than the stuff after (though I do follow recent stuff quite a bit...plus, I know a great deal of Indie and underground stuff...I hate the pop charts).......People from my generation and younger should look into older artists.....they might like it...
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And further to that, you would get a surprise as to just how many songs in the present day are covers of older songs  :)

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Rice_Cube on 11/29/03 at 04:17 p.m.


Quoting:


And further to that, you would get a surprise as to just how many songs in the present day are covers of older songs  :)
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No kidding...but I prefer the original most of the time, which tells you volumes about the quality of the "old fogie" music :)

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: FussBudgetVanPelt on 11/29/03 at 04:33 p.m.


Quoting:


No kidding...but I prefer the original most of the time, which tells you volumes about the quality of the "old fogie" music :)
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From an old fogey to a younger one, well said   ;D

Subject: Re: Does anyone else agree that

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 11/29/03 at 06:14 p.m.

when did i say people shouldn't know music from before they were born or shouldn't write parodies of songs made before they were born? I've written about 80 parodies of songs released i was before i was born (1982) .