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Subject: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Fraudbuster on 03/23/04 at 00:30 a.m.

http://www.amiright.com/parody/2000s/outkast10.shtml

40 votes, all but one of them 5s; only two comments, and it's at #1?

Do I smell something rotten in Denmark here?  :(

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: ChuckyG on 03/23/04 at 06:52 a.m.


Quoting:
http://www.amiright.com/parody/2000s/outkast10.shtml

40 votes, all but one of them 5s; only two comments, and it's at #1?

Do I smell something rotten in Denmark here?  :(
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yeah, that one was a cheater... it's been dealt with

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/24/04 at 06:09 p.m.

Another one:

http://www.amiright.com/parody/misc/dorisday2.shtml

An average parody with only 4 comments, but 18 perfect scores.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/24/04 at 06:22 p.m.

Also this one:

http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/elvispresley39.shtml

How the F did it get 21 555's?

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: jreuben on 03/24/04 at 07:58 p.m.

Guy actually has a lot of fans.  While I'm a little surprised he didn't get more comments on the one with 4, there's no way he's cheating on the votes.  

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Meriadoc on 03/24/04 at 08:35 p.m.


Quoting:
Also this one:

http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/elvispresley39.shtml

How the F did it get 21 555's?
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We actually had 40 straight fives on a parody once before it got a 4... :o

When a seasoned writer like Guy gets lots of good votes it is obvious it is legit, but when someone brand new gets 40 votes, but only a couple of comments it looks suspicious. Chucky is able to check these votes out. Apparently most were coming from the same server. I read the parody in question (in the first post above) and the pacing was spot on, but it was rather lacking in craft and humor. Had I voted on it I probably would have given it a 5-2-3...  :-/

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: 2nz on 03/24/04 at 09:01 p.m.


Quoting:


We actually had 40 straight fives on a parody once before it got a 4... :o

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Wow. I wonder if I could get 200 one's in a row and tie you, and not get arrested for offensive content in the process.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: philbo_baggins on 03/26/04 at 07:07 a.m.


Quoting:
We actually had 40 straight fives on a parody once before it got a 4... :o
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Another Bastard Spammer is still there with 44 straight 5's... funny, that ;-)

Must admit, I do occasionally find the DiRito fanclub tiresome: there's been a few really rather good parodies (and I don't mean just mine) kept out of the voting charts by (I'm sure Guy will agree) relatively mediocre submissions - I'm not saying they're bad, just nothing special.

Phil

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: ChuckyG on 03/26/04 at 08:21 a.m.


Quoting:


Another Bastard Spammer is still there with 44 straight 5's... funny, that ;-)

Must admit, I do occasionally find the DiRito fanclub tiresome: there's been a few really rather good parodies (and I don't mean just mine) kept out of the voting charts by (I'm sure Guy will agree) relatively mediocre submissions - I'm not saying they're bad, just nothing special.

Phil
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I guess even the one's guy dislikeds spammers... though bragging about your votes is likely to result in a visit from him

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: philbo_baggins on 03/26/04 at 08:39 a.m.

Quoting:
I guess even the one's guy dislikes spammers... though bragging about your votes is likely to result in a visit from him
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:-)

If he reads this, I guess... but he managed to lay in the first vote against today's parody (****in' Robin) , so maybe he's just trying to make amends that way.

Phil

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/26/04 at 09:58 a.m.


Quoting:
there's no way he's cheating on the votes.  
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No way? Has Chucky checked?

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: meow78223 on 03/26/04 at 11:13 a.m.

So, unless I have one or two obsessed fans I don't know about, some of my parodies really should be in the top 10 instead of just the top 20. Drat, I never did like all those dead people voting!

MM

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/26/04 at 01:09 p.m.

Quoting:
the DiRito fanclubEnd Quote



...comprised, it now appears, of one person...

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: 2nz on 03/26/04 at 01:38 p.m.


Quoting:


...comprised, it now appears, of one person...
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It's kind of funny how you hate Guy unconditionally. Like not even logic and fact will sway your unwavering commitment to hating him and his songs. I'd say 'he isn't cheating, he really is that popular here', but if you read the dialog on this thread, you would know that already.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/26/04 at 02:02 p.m.


Quoting:
It's kind of funny how you hate Guy unconditionally. Like not even logic and fact will sway your unwavering commitment to hating him and his songs. I'd say 'he isn't cheating, he really is that popular here', but if you read the dialog on this thread, you would know that already.
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It's not hatred. It's irritation at average parodies consistently receiving way-above-average voting results. (Logic.) Chucky has discovered parodies in the Top 10 with inflated vote totals. (Fact.) Chucky hasn't named names, but if he says that Guy DiRito's parodies are not the culprits, I will issue an apology to Guy DiRito and the rest of you, and then I will shut up and stop stirring things up.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: ChuckyG on 03/26/04 at 02:42 p.m.

I'm not revealing who did what.  

What I will state, is that the IP address did not resemble one used by the particular authors on the website.  

They weren't the only votes recorded (at best, they doubled the vote count).

It was clear from the timestamps and cookie information, that a couple of people were resetting their cookies to vote multiple times.

Yes, it's possible it was the author doing it from work, or spoofing their address.  That's not proof enough for me though to publicly belittle someone.

It could even have been someone trying to make them look bad by purposily inflating their vote counts.  Someone with an obvious grudge who could them openly complain about it. So I wouldn't be too eager to point fingers.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/26/04 at 03:13 p.m.

Inflating vote totals in order to complain about inflated vote totals? I'm sure that didn't happen but your point is well taken.

Since the key evidence in the case is being withheld, all we can base our opinions on is what we've already seen. I know some of your opinions and you all know mine. I'll let it go at that.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: ChuckyG on 03/26/04 at 03:54 p.m.


Quoting:
Inflating vote totals in order to complain about inflated vote totals? I'm sure that didn't happen but your point is well taken.
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it has happened in the past... I want to say more than once, but I think the other time it was just clearly to spite the person.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Dangling Chad on 03/26/04 at 04:17 p.m.


Quoting:
it has happened in the past... I want to say more than once, but I think the other time it was just clearly to spite the person.
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Weird. Giving someone a bunch of 555's seems like a bizarre way to spite them, but anything's possible. That has to be an extreme exception to the rule. For the record, I haven't done that.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: agrimorfee on 03/26/04 at 04:47 p.m.

This is clear evidence that ChuckyG's decision to dump Top !0 lists is a good one.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: Ethan Mawyer on 03/26/04 at 05:02 p.m.

giving someone tons of fives makes that person look like a cheater and is therefore bad for their reputation

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: meow78223 on 03/26/04 at 05:17 p.m.

All I can say is, I've talked to Guy personally most than most people here because we live in the same city, and he doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would cheat. Most likely it's one, or a few, obsessed fans.

I also can say that I don't vote on other people's parodies very often because having two jobs doesn't leave me a lot of time, and that is something I always have felt badly about, because I know I'm missing out on some really good parodies by people who have been very loyal fans of mine.

I do vote for my own parodies -- once. And I do not always give myself 5's.

I think if there were a way for the computer program to limit each person to, say, one vote a month, I would keep the top 10 because some of us like seeing how our spoofs compare to the top dogs of this site. I know I have had a few close calls -- my latest sits at #13 even as we speak. That means I must be doing something right.

But, if this cannot be done, then maybe something else has to take its place. It's disgraceful that a handful of Chicago-machine cheaters ("vote early and often") are ruining it for everyone else.

MM

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: adagio on 03/26/04 at 08:31 p.m.

That was very nice, Michael, to vouch for Guy.  I don't live in the same city, but we talk often by e-mail and I can't imagine Guy cheating, of all things, either.  He is just not that kind of person.

Subject: Re: Possible voting fraud

Written By: PRobinson on 03/27/04 at 00:27 a.m.

Jeez,  I don't love ALL his parodies and we come at things from totally different perspectives culturally and poliltically but Guy has always struck me as a straight-forward, straight-shootin', gentleman.  I'm a little taken aback this discussion thread is even taking place to be honest.  But it's presence does tell me that the "Top 10" rankings, etc., ought to go the way of my old turntable and 8-track cassettes.

Quoting:
That was very nice, Michael, to vouch for Guy.  I don't live in the same city, but we talk often by e-mail and I can't imagine Guy cheating, of all things, either.  He is just not that kind of person.
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Subject: Parody about the vanishing Top Ten list

Written By: meow78223 on 03/29/04 at 11:34 a.m.

Well, I couldn't resist....

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/moebandy0.shtml

MM