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Subject: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 07/05/12 at 12:42 am

In America you eat drug, in Soviet Russia, drug eats you!

Decaying America has its meth, but out on the carcass of Soviet Russia, the new high is Krokodil.  Its pharmaceutical name is Desomorphine.  It is three times stronger than heroin and very cheap to make.  Its intense high is 90 minutes as opposed to 10 hours for heroin, but it is so much cheaper, and poor junkies in Russia are getting hooked at alarming rates.  In the Russian countryside Krokodil cookers make the poison using codeine painkillers from drugstores.  Another chief ingredient is iodine, which gives addicts and their abodes a telltale stench.  Addicts inject the drug intravenously and sometimes simply subcutaneously.  The toxic reaction causes abscesses, boils, eczema, and in short order, gangrene.  Victims of the gangrene might experience premortem destruction of skin, muscle, and connective tissue, leaving gaping fissures in their flesh exposing bare bone.  Krokodil means "crocodile" in Russian, a name inspired by the scaly, reptilian flesh of the drug's addicts.  The Krokodil user might live a year before he rots to death.  Few addicts can stand the withdrawal from Krokodil, which include a whole month of "kicking the drug" in throes of agony heroin users shake off in 72 hours.

Russian authorities have agreed to make codeine available by prescription only, but they have so far not passed any legislation.  In the U.S. many states restricted access to and quantities of pseudoephedrine to fight the scourge of methamphetamine, but the measure yielded negligible benefits.

I sure hope Krokodil doesn't make its way into this country.  The side effects are so terrifying.  As long as heroin and meth are cheap and available, Krokodil won't take hold in the U.S.  I hope.  if Krokodil does hit the streets, we need to expose the ugly truth to the general population.

The grisly photographs in the link below are pictures of Krokodil addicts.  Extreme viewer discretion is advised.  I post them for educational purposes, not shock.  However, they might be more horrifying and revolting than anything you want to look at.

DON'T DO THE KROKODIL ROCK

:o :o :o :o


Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: danootaandme on 07/05/12 at 5:45 am

There is money involved, it will be here.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 07/05/12 at 5:13 pm

Oh man, that's horrible!  :o :o :o

Sad thing is, there's no shortage of people out there who are stupid enough to try this. I wouldn't be surprised if it's here within the next two years.  :-\\

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Foo Bar on 07/05/12 at 8:05 pm


Oh man, that's horrible!  :o :o :o

Sad thing is, there's no shortage of people out there who are stupid enough to try this. I wouldn't be surprised if it's here within the next two years.  :-\\


Unlikely that it'll ever take off in the States.  It's one of the reasons it's relatively difficult to get medications that contain codeine in the US.  The desomorphine itself isn't the problem -- the prohibition of opiates is the root cause: without easy access to opiates, inept backyard chemists grab codeine (which is available over-the-counter in Russia) and perform the synthesis poorly.  The impurities result in the horrific side effects seen in the linked videos.

Not to say that opiate addiction won't kill you - it will.  (Back on the stimulant side of the aisle, a person addicted to pharmaceutical-grade meth, aka Desoxyn, will also die.)  But if the actual substances (instead of Krokodil, let 'em have heroin, and instead of meth, give 'em meth!) themselves were decriminalized, a whole lotta underground chemists and drug dealers would have to get jobs flipping burgers, a whole lotta cartels would be cut off from most of their income, and the people addicted to these substances would die a little less-horribly, and a whole lotta car stereos wouldn't have to be stolen because addicts could kill themselves for $10/d instead of $100/d.

On balance, we'd probably lose more people than we'd save by legalizing opiates and hard stimulants.  If human life is your metric, they should probably continue to be banned.  If human suffering is your metric, it's about a breakeven proposition (most of the soon-to-be-dead, after all, have relatives who still care about them.)  If it's about the money wasted on prohibition, or about the notion that your body belongs to you and not to the state, it should all be legalized unless you're a prison operator looking for new customers, or a police chief working for a cash-strapped municipality in desperate need of new things to fine.  For those two subsets of people, the money isn't wasted, it's part of your budget, and if people ever smarten up and stop abusing drugs, you'll be forced to start arguing for the criminalization of tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, and big soda.

My position's somewhat moderated; I'd decriminalize it all, and fund treatment centers with the savings from the War on Some Drugs.  Because if I ever got my way on decriminalization, we'd need those treatment centers.  A meth addict is a hazard to everyone around him, whether or not his teeth are falling out from the side effects of the crappy stuff on the streets.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 07/05/12 at 9:28 pm

The stuff I attached was mild compared to some of the video I saw.  I'm still kinda grossed-out!

http://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/that+_ba7c0b700fde69624e78419ea7d44f17.jpg

I don't think Krokodil will gain much traction over here because of cheap meth and heroin, and like Foo said, codeine is much harder to get than in Russia.  You can do plenty of tissue damage with IV heroin if you do it dirty enough and we've all seen the terrible burns and blisters people get from amphetamine and cocaine derivatives.  I've never see straight up gangrene from drug abuse and I wonder what it says about the despair and nihilism it takes for people to shoot that sh*t into their bodies.  How farked up can your society get?  I'm not sure I want to know what other kinds atrocities are going on in the hinterlands of Siberia!

I'm for decriminalization and needle exchange.  Junkies will cook up with puddle water and shoot baking soda into their veins!
::)

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: CatwomanofV on 07/06/12 at 10:44 am

Whatever happen to just firing up a joint?



Cat

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: warped on 07/06/12 at 11:13 am

Try googling "Krokodil drug" and go to images. It's pretty gross, it eats away at your flesh.  I imagine some individual/group will import this drug into North America (maybe it's here already in small quantities?)

Judging by these side effects, I hope it will keep most potential curious users away.
But... :(

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 07/06/12 at 5:04 pm


Whatever happen to just firing up a joint?



Krokodil is easier to get than pot when you're a hundred miles north of the Arctic Circle in East Bumblegrad, Siberia!
::)

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Howard on 07/06/12 at 8:13 pm


Try googling "Krokodil drug" and go to images. It's pretty gross, it eats away at your flesh.  I imagine some individual/group will import this drug into North America (maybe it's here already in small quantities?)

Judging by these side effects, I hope it will keep most potential curious users away.
But... :(


Wow.  :o

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Step-chan on 10/07/12 at 8:55 pm

I heard about this stuff and seen some pictures, although I remember someone else saying that some of the pics they showed were fakes(some, not all).

It's just silly and by silly I mean incredibly stupid. Anyone that desperate for a buzz who doesn't care about the nasty price of such a thing is clearly not thinking.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 10/08/12 at 11:22 am


I heard about this stuff and seen some pictures, although I remember someone else saying that some of the pics they showed were fakes(some, not all).

It's just silly and by silly I mean incredibly stupid. Anyone that desperate for a buzz who doesn't care about the nasty price of such a thing is clearly not thinking.


I've seen a few videos.  I don't recommend them.
:o

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Step-chan on 10/08/12 at 11:52 am


I've seen a few videos.  I don't recommend them.
:o


I looked up the videos, but didn't watch them.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: apollonia1986 on 10/17/12 at 2:31 pm

The minute I saw the word "gangrene" it was an "aw-hell-nah" moment for me.

I have seen, touched and smelled gangrene on another person, and trust me I know it is an AWFUL way to die with the tissues literally rotting away from a living person.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 10/18/12 at 9:58 pm


The minute I saw the word "gangrene" it was an "aw-hell-nah" moment for me.

I have seen, touched and smelled gangrene on another person, and trust me I know it is an AWFUL way to die with the tissues literally rotting away from a living person.


My friend who's a nurse says you never get used to it.  There are things I wish I could unsee and things I wish I could unsmell.  The latter is much harder!
8-P

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Ashkicksass on 10/25/12 at 2:25 pm

One of my friends said that this drug is pretty much the same as bath salts.  Not sure if that's correct but I sure hope it isn't.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 10/25/12 at 10:17 pm

Whatever happened to the good old days when you just rolled a fatty and watched the sun set?
Ah, we were so innocent then...
:o

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Ashkicksass on 10/25/12 at 10:28 pm


Whatever happened to the good old days when you just rolled a fatty and watched the sun set?
Ah, we were so innocent then...
:o


Sad, but oh so true...

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Foo Bar on 10/25/12 at 11:29 pm


One of my friends said that this drug is pretty much the same as bath salts.  Not sure if that's correct but I sure hope it isn't.


Nope.  Read up to my earlier page.  It's an opiate, not a stimulant, nor is it a dissociative.  Think synthetic morphine (actually, much more powerful than morphine).  It's the corrosive and toxic contaminants left behind due to (atrociously) poor street-lab practice that are the cause of the tissue damage that leads to gangrene.  (Plus whatever happens to the other drugs that were in the codeine pills that got thrown into the vat of reactive stuff that these cooks use when turning codeine into desomorphine.)


Whatever happened to the good old days when you just rolled a fatty and watched the sun set?
Ah, we were so innocent then...
:o


Ban the low-harm drugs, and the underground chemists will invent alternatives faster than the legislators can ban the replacements.  Prohibition doesn't work, and continues to do more harm than good.

"Caffeine, alcohol, and ponies: my anti-drugs!"

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: apollonia1986 on 10/25/12 at 11:58 pm

If caffiene is a "drug" its my drug of choice.
I start my day reaching for the Folgers and if I get a lag, I whip up HALF a crystal light energy drink. If i drink the whole with coffee, I don't sleep tll 4:30--and wake up at 6 for no reason.

And I'm tired of watching Thriller at 4 am because all the stations have done OFF AIR!

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Howard on 10/26/12 at 8:15 am


If caffiene is a "drug" its my drug of choice.
I start my day reaching for the Folgers and if I get a lag, I whip up HALF a crystal light energy drink. If i drink the whole with coffee, I don't sleep tll 4:30--and wake up at 6 for no reason.

And I'm tired of watching Thriller at 4 am because all the stations have done OFF AIR!


you mean coffee and an energy drink together?  :o

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 10/26/12 at 10:41 pm


Nope.  Read up to my earlier page.  It's an opiate, not a stimulant, nor is it a dissociative.  Think synthetic morphine (actually, much more powerful than morphine).  It's the corrosive and toxic contaminants left behind due to (atrociously) poor street-lab practice that are the cause of the tissue damage that leads to gangrene.  (Plus whatever happens to the other drugs that were in the codeine pills that got thrown into the vat of reactive stuff that these cooks use when turning codeine into desomorphine.)



http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5139842/il_fullxfull.166225820.jpg

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Step-chan on 10/26/12 at 11:30 pm

I used to have a fear of those trading cards. ^

But the drug of this topic tops those still.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Howard on 10/27/12 at 7:09 am


http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5139842/il_fullxfull.166225820.jpg


and I still have my cards after 25 years.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 09/29/13 at 9:49 pm


Oh man, that's horrible!  :o :o :o

Sad thing is, there's no shortage of people out there who are stupid enough to try this. I wouldn't be surprised if it's here within the next two years.  :-\\


Sadly, yet not surprisingly, I was right.

Flesh-rotting 'krokodil' drug emerges in USA

Michael Winter, USA TODAY 5:19 p.m. EDT September 27, 2013

Deadly "Krokodil" cases in Arizona

The deadly heroin-like drug that rots flesh has been linked to two cases in Arizona in the last week. The powerfully addicting drug originated in 2002 in Siberia and has swept Russia in the past three years. The drug became popular as a cheap substitute for heroin.

Two cases in Arizona are the first involving caustic, heroin-like IV drug that originated in Russia.

A powerful heroin-like drug that rots flesh and bone has made its first reported appearance in the United States, an Arizona health official says.

Known on the street as "krokodil," the caustic homemade opiate is made from over-the-counter codeine-based headache pills mixed with iodine, gasoline, paint thinner or alcohol. When it's injected, the concoction destroys a user's tissue, turning the skin scaly and green like a crocodile. Festering sores, abscesses and blood poisoning are common.

Frank LoVecchio, the co-medical director at the Banner Good Samaritan Poison & Drug Information Center, told KPHO-TV that Arizona health officials have seen two cases during the past week.

"As far as I know, these are the first cases in the United States that are reported," he said. "So we're extremely frightened."

LoVecchio did not say where in the state the patients were located or provide details about their conditions.

The drug — chemically called desomorphine — emerged around 2002 in Siberia and the Russian Far East but has swept across the country in just the past three years, according to a Time magazine investigation.

Krokodil became popular in Russia because heroin can be difficult to obtain and is expensive. Krokodil costs three times less, and the high is similar to heroin though much shorter, usually 90 minutes.

The average life expectancy among krokodil addicts in Russia is two to three years, according to Time, which called the narcotic "the most horrible drug in the world." Gangrene and amputations are common, and the toxic mix dissolves jawbones and teeth, much like the methamphetamine that Walter White cooks in Breaking Bad.

As with all intravenous drug addicts, krokodil users are susceptible to HIV, hepatitis C and other blood-borne diseases, and have compromised immune systems.

One recovering Russian krokodil addict, Irina Pavlova, told Time in 2011 that she injected the drug almost daily for six years. She has a speech impediment and impaired motor skills because of the resulting brain damage.

Her brother was among the dozen or so addicts she shot up with. "Practically all of them are dead now," she said. "For some, it led to pneumonia, some got blood poisoning, some had an artery burst in their heart, some got meningitis, others simply rot."

A Russian woman using krokodil in June 2011 told The Independent that a fellow junkie refused to go to the hospital.

"Her flesh is falling off and she can hardly move anymore," she said.





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Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 09/29/13 at 10:17 pm

Breaking Bad Season 7: Breaking REALLY bad!

It figures it would show up in Arizona.  I just don't see why anybody wants to shoot that sh*t as long as you can get heroin, meth, or oxycodone.  Yeah, if you're out in the Molotov Housing Estates in the middle of East Buttskfutsk, Siberia, I get it.  But things aren't that desperate in Arizona...not yet, are they?

I think the video of the zombie girl should be part of the drug education curriculum if Krokodil is showing up in the U.S.

:o

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: Katluver on 10/01/13 at 8:33 pm

shhh, that drug's disturbing! Hope it doesn't make it to Canada.

Subject: Re: Krokodil: The scariest drug in the world!

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 10/02/13 at 12:23 am


shhh, that drug's disturbing! Hope it doesn't make it to Canada.


As long as you've got kids stupid enough to shoot it!
::)

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