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Subject: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 11/30/06 at 11:04 pm

okay, not sure how this is going to go, but we'll see.

the idea is that you pick the six prominent figures of the last century with whom you would most like to have a thought-provoking, seven course dinner with in-depth searching conversation and heated debate. you can either vote for up to six people. if you want a more intimate evening, even one on one, that's totally cool -- AND/OR! you can suggest additional names and i will totally add them to the list and we'll see who votes for them.

i came up with a few names more or less at random to get things started. they suck. i need your help! think of interesting people for me to add.

and yes, you're perfectly welcome, davey thrashmister. and yes, it was my pleasure, beth.

and yes, it was also my pleasure, other beth.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 11/30/06 at 11:06 pm

i went with lee harvey oswald, because i'm curious who REALLY killed JFK.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 11/30/06 at 11:20 pm

I chose Churchill, Lennon/McCartney, The New York Yankees (well duh!) and Beck.  A nice well-rounded table, methinks.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 12/01/06 at 12:31 am

I'd have a HUGE dinner party (as long as *I* didn't have to cook)

I chose Ghandi (although, it'd be iffy to get a seven course meal made for him, I *think* he was a vegetarian, although I may be wrong about that.)  Lennon/McCartney, cause well..I adore their music; Winston Churchill, Michelle Pfeiffer and Pee Wee.  It should be an interesting evening.  Probably some heated discussions amongst my guests.  :D

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 6:07 am

don't forget -- if you think of someone you'd like who's not on the list, mention it and i'll add her, him, or it!

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/01/06 at 2:27 pm

Thanks darling, you know Adolf is a great guest.

Ok, my dinner table.. of 6.. just 6, wow.

Ok.


Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan.. 3 of your guys who I'd seriously want there.

Then, Josef Mengele, Al Capone and Dave Mustaine. (Is Dave prominent enough?)

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Rice_Cube on 12/01/06 at 2:31 pm

My table's small.  I chose Gandhi so I can make him eat some steak.  Then I chose Hitchcock because his movies were cool.  And finally, Reagan just because.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/01/06 at 2:34 pm


Reagan just because..


.. you are a smart man.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 5:05 pm

right on, thanks for suggesting new guys. although... joseph mengele?

if i had to invite nazis over i'd probably go with general rommel and goebbels. cuz rommel was supposed to be such a great strategist and goebbels -- let's face it, skilled propaganda is just... interesting.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/01/06 at 5:06 pm


right on, thanks for suggesting new guys. although... joseph mengele?

if i had to invite nazis over i'd probably go with general rommel and goebbels. cuz rommel was supposed to be such a great strategist and goebbels -- let's face it, skilled propaganda is just... interesting.


I'd love to meet Mengele. He performed the best experiments and then evaded the Nazi hunters. He's still alive, just faked his own death in the 70's.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 5:08 pm


I'd love to meet Mengele. He performed the best experiments and then evaded the Nazi hunters. He's still alive, just faked his own death in the 70's.
i'd be worried he'd want to have my liver with a nice chianti and some fava beans.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/01/06 at 5:10 pm


i'd be worried he'd want to have my liver with a nice chianti and some fava beans.


He didn't eat people.

But with any luck he'd sew you to another Liberal.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Foo Bar on 12/01/06 at 9:31 pm

Went with the usual suspects:  Churchill and Hitler, to see if Gandhi could prevent them from throwing dinner rolls at each other.  Oswald to see who really done it.  Reagan just 'cuz.  Mengele for comedy value.  If I could disinvite him in exchange for Stalin, I'd do so in a heartbeat.  Stalin would be a much better conversationalist.

Applause to the guy who suggested Goering and Rommel as two Nazis, but with a catch.

Goering's not a terribly nice guy (boy, do I have a gift for understatement), I'd swap Goebbels for Goering, because most of those whom Goering led were, by and large, apoltitical.  Goebbels would be my preferred Nazi guest, becuase he (arguably more than Goering) understood the relationship betwee the human mind and mass media about a generation for anyone else did.

I'm with you on Rommel (whom I'd consider more of a German soldier than a National Socialist) so he could see his tactics vindicated in the 50-odd years since his demise -- and so he could raise a stein in mockery of how those who studied him so hard, for so long, failed to finish the job.  In passing, I'd also invite Doenitz, if for no other reason than that most of the submariners were apolitical.  May as well have some balance.

And as long as I'm dreaming about a table crowded with WW2 folks, bring on "Bomber" Harris, Patton (both self-explanatory), and Col. Tibbets (someone had to do it), and from the engineering sides of both sides, Oppenheimer, Teller, von Braun, Heisenberg, and Bohr.

And for true balance, someone's gotta side with Gandhi, and that'd be Einstein.

But that's way more than 6.

So if I'm down to 6... hmm... OK.  Churchill ("yay us!"), Stalin ("yay totalitarianism!"), Hitler ("yay kill everyone not like us!") for competing political systems, and Gandhi ("yay peace!"), Rommel ("someone's gotta do the soldiering if Gandhi doesn't get it right"), Pol Pot ("on a percentage of population, I beat everyone in history, and I make Kim Jong-Il look sane by comparison") for competing world views.

And I'd make sure my brewers brought everyone enough beer to keep them honest, and that my chefs baked plenty of bread rolls, to let them blow off steam as need be.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 9:40 pm

okay. added, added, added, added, added, added, added, added, added, added, added, added, added, and added.

i defy anyone to look at this list and claim inthe00s has a liberal bias. :o

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 10:04 pm

remember, you can change your vote, in case, for instance, you're totally kicking yourself because you didn't originally have an opportunity to vote for kim jong-il.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Davester on 12/01/06 at 10:42 pm

  Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses...What were you thinking.?!

  President Harry Truman...What were you thinking.?!

  Emperor Hirohito...What were you thinking.?!

  Lt. Col. Gennadi Osipovich, Soviet pilot who shot down KAL 007 in 1983...What were you thinking.?!

  Wang Weilin, Tank Man - Tiananmen Square protests of 1989...What were you thinking.?!

  Vladimir Lenin...What were you thinking.?!

  I know you're not taking submissions anymore, but it's a fun question groove ;) on...

 

 

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 10:46 pm

which emo-lovin' gothtard told you i wasn't taking any more submissions?

done, done, done, done, done, and done.

interestingly, i think there's a total of, maybe, three women?

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Davester on 12/01/06 at 10:53 pm


which emo-lovin' gothtard told you i wasn't taking any more submissions?

done, done, done, done, done, and done.

interestingly, i think there's a total of, maybe, three women?


  Heh, thanks...

  A prominent female I'd like to break bread with is Indira Gandhi, who paid the price for the storming of the Punjab "Golden Temple" in 1984.  I'd like to know what she was thinking...

  Good job, Tia...

 
 

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 10:56 pm


  Heh, thanks...

  A prominent female I'd like to break bread with is Indira Gandhi, who paid the price for the storming of the Punjab "Golden Temple" in 1984.  I'd like to know what she was thinking...

  Good job, Tia...

 
 
added! and it made me think of someone else, who was always put forward as indira's spiritual opposite.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/01/06 at 10:58 pm

and who's winning? lee harvey oswald. i think that says a lot about us, collectively.

although i'm sure lee would be glad to see it. he was rather unpopular when he died.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tanya1976 on 12/01/06 at 11:52 pm

Lennon/McCartney, Gandhi, and Alfred Hitchcock; other than those select few, I'd die of boredom from the those I didn't choose.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/02/06 at 6:15 am

I love that somebody else digs Mengele.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/04/06 at 4:41 pm

Gandhi, Mahatma
Lennon/McCartney
Al Capone
Josef Mengele
Gen. Patton
Salman Rushdie

I'd also like to add
JFK
JFK Jr.
Marilyn Monroe
Princess Diana
Mother Teresa
Captain John Smith (of the sunken Titanic)
Anwar Sadat
Ted Bundy
John Gacy

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 12/04/06 at 11:01 pm

I'd like to add Robert F. Kennedy to my list.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/04/06 at 11:08 pm

wow. i've got lots of work to do! remind me tomorrow, im about to go to bed.

in speaking of dinner parties (sorta) i sent you a myspace friendvite, SM. but you might not recognize me outside of the luminous witch mountainesque persona i use here. christ i detest real life!

anyway, that's me.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 12/04/06 at 11:12 pm


wow. i've got lots of work to do! remind me tomorrow, im about to go to bed.

in speaking of dinner parties (sorta) i sent you a myspace friendvite, SM. but you might not recognize me outside of the luminous witch mountainesque persona i use here. christ i detest real life!

anyway, that's me.



You've been friended, dearest.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: deadrockstar on 12/04/06 at 11:58 pm

I chose Lennon/McCartney, Al Capone, Albert Einstein, Salman Rushdie, Vladimir Lenin and Emelda Marcos. I think that would be a pretty interesting dinner: two british Hippie rock stars, an Italian-American gangster, a German-American scientist, a British-Indian author critical of organized religion, a Russian revolutionary and founder of the Soviet state and the vapid wife of an Asian dictator. ;D

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/05/06 at 5:38 am


I chose Lennon/McCartney, Al Capone, Albert Einstein, Salman Rushdie, Vladimir Lenin and Emelda Marcos. I think that would be a pretty interesting dinner: two british Hippie rock stars, an Italian-American gangster, a German-American scientist, a British-Indian author critical of organized religion, a Russian revolutionary and founder of the Soviet state and the vapid wife of an Asian dictator. ;D
wow, those are good choices. you must test well.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/05/06 at 7:41 pm

I'd like to add Rasputin and The Czar Nicholas to my dinner table as well.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: nicki_morrissey on 12/07/06 at 10:55 am

I picked Lennon/McCartney (but I only want John), Lee Harvey Oswald, Beck (I'd seduce that mofo), JFK (um, if he showed up the way he looked before the shooting. That would ruin my appetite), Marylin Monroe, and Ted Bundy.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: deadrockstar on 12/08/06 at 11:11 pm


wow, those are good choices. you must test well.


Nice, subtle humor there. :D

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 12/08/06 at 11:31 pm


Nice, subtle humor there. :D



I thought so.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/09/06 at 6:29 am

I love that more people wanna have dinner with Josef Mengele.. than like, half the people on the list. He's great!

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: danootaandme on 12/09/06 at 6:44 am

Lennon/McCartney should be separated.  I can understand the Lennon and would welcome him at the table of poilitcal/economic discussion. 
What is with the Mengele thing?  He was a psycho of the and his ability to evade international law isn't quite as heroic as some may think.  South America opened its arms to fleeing nasties and harbored them many times in plain sight.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/09/06 at 7:08 am


Lennon/McCartney should be separated.  I can understand the Lennon and would welcome him at the table of poilitcal/economic discussion. 
What is with the Mengele thing?  He was a psycho of the and his ability to evade international law isn't quite as heroic as some may think.  South America opened its arms to fleeing nasties and harbored them many times in plain sight.


It's because he's a psycho. It'd be freakin sweet to talk to the guy and find out what made him tick. Dude did some of the nastiest schit in human history, what kind of person does that, inquisitive minds have to know.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: danootaandme on 12/09/06 at 8:19 am


It's because he's a psycho. It'd be freakin sweet to talk to the guy and find out what made him tick. Dude did some of the nastiest schit in human history, what kind of person does that, inquisitive minds have to know.


There are too many others(well one would be too many) like him out there to warrant calling any of them back for a chitchat.  If you find the mind of someone the likes of Mengele so interesting take a trip and talk to BTK, alias Dennis Rader, he should send a chill up your spine.  I can't think of any reason to recall Bundy, Gacy, Mengele, and their ilk.  There wouldn't be any insight that they could offer that cannot be found in in the psychos walking around today.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/09/06 at 9:37 am


There are too many others(well one would be too many) like him out there to warrant calling any of them back for a chitchat.  If you find the mind of someone the likes of Mengele so interesting take a trip and talk to BTK, alias Dennis Rader, he should send a chill up your spine.  I can't think of any reason to recall Bundy, Gacy, Mengele, and their ilk.  There wouldn't be any insight that they could offer that cannot be found in in the psychos walking around today.


Maybe. Dahmer would be the one I'd really like to talk to.

The whole point is, it would be soooo weird talking to somebody like that, who's view on the world was so totally opposite to convention.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: nicki_morrissey on 12/09/06 at 12:18 pm


I picked Lennon/McCartney (but I only want John), Lee Harvey Oswald, Beck (I'd seduce that mofo), JFK (um, if he showed up the way he looked before the shooting. That would ruin my appetite), Marylin Monroe, and Ted Bundy.


Now that I think about it, it would be really weird (and yet interesting) to have Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK, AND Marylin Monroe in the same room... o.O

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/09/06 at 12:39 pm


Now that I think about it, it would be really weird (and yet interesting) to have Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK, AND Marylin Monroe in the same room... o.O


Triangle of death. He killed her, he killed him. Poor Marylin, who did she get to kill?

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: nicki_morrissey on 12/09/06 at 12:48 pm


Triangle of death. He killed her, he killed him. Poor Marylin, who did she get to kill?


...herself? More directly than he did.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/09/06 at 12:53 pm


...herself? More directly than he did.


True, she messed with the Kennedy family. Nobody does that and survives.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Tia on 12/09/06 at 1:34 pm


True, she messed with the Kennedy family. Nobody does that and survives.
except the CIA. ;)

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/09/06 at 1:35 pm


except the CIA. ;)


True Dat!

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/10/06 at 1:05 pm


Lennon/McCartney should be separated.  I can understand the Lennon and would welcome him at the table of poilitcal/economic discussion. 
What is with the Mengele thing?  He was a psycho of the and his ability to evade international law isn't quite as heroic as some may think.  South America opened its arms to fleeing nasties and harbored them many times in plain sight.

I picked Mengele because I'd like to probe his brain on that whole twins fetish of his.  I saw the Holocaust exhibit in Washington DC and they had this special exhibit on all the experiments that they put people through.. and the forced sterilizations.  It would be nice to put that guy on the hot seat.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/10/06 at 1:08 pm

damn.. can't we turn this into a buffet? I don't have enough seats for all the guests I want to invite.. ;D


plus I asked my husband who he would like to invite and he in addition to my previous pick of Patton, wants Churchill, Al Capone, RFK, Pol Pot and Emperor Hirohito there.  We're gonna have to break out the card tables and have to split these folks up into groups.  :P

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 12/10/06 at 1:08 pm


Lennon/McCartney should be separated.  I can understand the Lennon and would welcome him at the table of poilitcal/economic discussion. 
What is with the Mengele thing?  He was a psycho of the and his ability to evade international law isn't quite as heroic as some may think.  South America opened its arms to fleeing nasties and harbored them many times in plain sight.




What's with Mengele? 



Andy.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/10/06 at 1:15 pm


What's with Mengele? 

Andy.


It'd be so freakin cool to pick that guys brain. He came up with some of the most twisted experiments conceivable. I've had a hard time matching him, never mind bettering him.


I picked Mengele because I'd like to probe his brain on that whole twins fetish of his.  I saw the Holocaust exhibit in Washington DC and they had this special exhibit on all the experiments that they put people through.. and the forced sterilizations.  It would be nice to put that guy on the hot seat.


Yooooooooo, you're kickass.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 12/10/06 at 1:17 pm

My table is pretty limited.  Lennon/McCartney for entertainment, Beck because well....he's beck, The Yankees because well.....yeah and RFK because I've read his books and think he's a very eloquent speaker AND I'd like to hear more of his opinions on our involvement in Vietnam how he'd compare that war to this current war.  Oh and Winston Churchill to add another Brit to the table.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 12/10/06 at 1:28 pm


damn.. can't we turn this into a buffet? I don't have enough seats for all the guests I want to invite.. ;D


plus I asked my husband who he would like to invite and he in addition to my previous pick of Patton, wants Churchill, Al Capone, RFK, Pol Pot and Emperor Hirohito there.  We're gonna have to break out the card tables and have to split these folks up into groups.  :P


Put a few of them at the "kids' table" like I always got stuck at at Thanksgiving.  >:( ;D

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Sister Morphine on 12/10/06 at 1:31 pm


Put a few of them at the "kids' table" like I always got stuck at at Thanksgiving.  >:( ;D



I got to leave the kids' table when I was old enough to not get food all over my clothes when I was eating.



So, it's been about 3 years.  ;D

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/10/06 at 1:31 pm


Put a few of them at the "kids' table" like I always got stuck at at Thanksgiving.  >:( ;D


I STILL Get banned to the kids table !! :P

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: danootaandme on 12/10/06 at 4:51 pm

On closer look(I can be touchy about these things), What? No Negros Need Apply?  How about Martin Luther King, Jack Johnson, Asa Philip Randolph, Bojangles, W.E.B. Dubois, Butterfly McQueen, Adam Clayton Powell,
Matthew Henson, Josephine Baker, Thurgood Marshall, Malcolm X, Charlie Parker, Julian Bond andonandonandon......

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: La Roche on 12/10/06 at 5:00 pm


On closer look(I can be touchy about these things), What? No Negros Need Apply?  How about Martin Luther King, Jack Johnson, Asa Philip Randolph, Bojangles, W.E.B. Dubois, Butterfly McQueen, Adam Clayton Powell,
Matthew Henson, Josephine Baker, Thurgood Marshall, Malcolm X, Charlie Parker, Julian Bond andonandonandon......


I'd invite Rosa Parks so I could tell her the story about the highway in Missouri.

Did you hear about this?

The Klan sponsored a strip of Highway in southern missouri (a place to avoid unless you own a white hood), anywho, they erected there big signs and such like. The sings kept getting knocked down and the state had to replace them which they weren't too happy about. Anywho, one thing led to another and the state of missouri renamed the highway 'The Rosa Parks Memorial Highway'. The Klan decided not to apply to sponsor it for another year.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/10/06 at 5:04 pm


On closer look(I can be touchy about these things), What? No Negros Need Apply?  How about Martin Luther King, Jack Johnson, Asa Philip Randolph, Bojangles, W.E.B. Dubois, Butterfly McQueen, Adam Clayton Powell,
Matthew Henson, Josephine Baker, Thurgood Marshall, Malcolm X, Charlie Parker, Julian Bond andonandonandon......


I want Robert Johnson at my table.  And Clarence Williams III , and John Amos..  I had a crush on James Evans in Good Times ! :P

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: danootaandme on 12/10/06 at 5:10 pm


John Amos..  I had a crush on James Evans in Good Times ! :P


I always that he was real cool, too.  Julian Bond was the political "it" guy of the 60's.  Sooooo good looking. 
I found that is is forgotten modern history that Julian Bond won a seat in the Georgia State Senate in 1966 and they refused to seat him, took a year and a Unites States Supreme Court in order for him to be seated.

http://www.notablebiographies.com/images/uewb_02_img0097.jpg

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/10/06 at 5:26 pm

plus I want Harriet Tubman at my table.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: danootaandme on 12/10/06 at 5:29 pm


plus I want Harriet Tubman at my table.


I had to double check the dates, but she did make it into the 20th century, dying in 1913

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Abix on 12/10/06 at 5:35 pm


I had to double check the dates, but she did make it into the 20th century, dying in 1913



oops, I forgot it's exclusive to the 20th century.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: deadrockstar on 12/10/06 at 6:00 pm

<--- This thread needs more Deodato.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: danootaandme on 12/10/06 at 6:58 pm


<--- This thread needs more Deodato.


Huh?  Bossa Nova?

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: deadrockstar on 12/10/06 at 7:03 pm


Huh?  Bossa Nova?


Hmm, did he compose that? Or perform it at least? Some of his work includes Super Strut, Latin Flute, Also Sprach Zarathustra, Moonlight Serenade, Havana Strut etc.

Subject: Re: 20th Century Dinner Party

Written By: Foo Bar on 12/11/06 at 9:16 pm


It'd be so freakin cool to pick that guys brain. He came up with some of the most twisted experiments conceivable. I've had a hard time matching him, never mind bettering him.


Well, your first sentence answers your last sentence.  *rimshot*

Funny part is that if you started poking around in there with electrodes, and he started re-experiencing the tastes/smells of what he was up to 60-odd years ago, he'd probably be as fascinated as anyone, and more than a little bit frustrated that he didn't discover the effect first, because he certainly had... umm... the opportunity, if you get my drift :)

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