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Subject: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Syn on 11/02/15 at 5:16 pm

I understand baby boomers but not Gen. X/Y/Z. What's the time frame and what separates them culturally?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/02/15 at 5:31 pm

The time frames for the 3 generations are:

Generation X: 1964/65 to 1980/81

Generation Y: 1980/81 to 1999/00

Generation Z: 2000/01 to Now

What separates them is that Xers experienced the Cold War, The Challenger Explosion and they are the New Wave generation; Yers experienced 9/11 in school and the presidency of Obama; Zers experienced rapid tech at a young age and the constant school shootings.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/02/15 at 10:51 pm


What separates them is that Xers experienced the Cold War, The Challenger Explosion and they are the New Wave generation; Yers experienced 9/11 in school and the presidency of Obama; Zers experienced rapid tech at a young age and the constant school shootings.


School shootings were a big deal for Gen Y also.  I remember being scared to go to school after the Columbine shootings.  There were several threats and lockdowns at my middle school because of students threatening to copycat it.

I think the distinction for Generation Z is most if not all of their living memory is in a post 9/11 world.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: muppethammer26 on 11/03/15 at 5:33 pm


The time frames for the 3 generations are:

Generation X: 1964/65 to 1980/81

Generation Y: 1980/81 to 1999/00

Generation Z: 2000/01 to Now



1999 is the best year to end Generation Y because 1999 is the last year of both the 20th century and the 2nd millennium, while 2000 is the best year to start Generation Z because 2000 started the 21st century and the 3rd millennium.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/03/15 at 5:50 pm


1999 is the best year to end Generation Y because 1999 is the last year of both the 20th century and the 2nd millennium, while 2000 is the best year to start Generation Z because 2000 started the 21st century and the 3rd millennium.


Kids born in 1999 are extremely different, though, from those born even in the mid-90s.  They were only 5 or 6 years old when YouTube first came out, and they very likely grew up with it, along with social media and iPhone/Android games as part of their childhoods.  Their main video game console was probably the Wii instead of the N64 or GameCube.  They're the current proponents of teen-EDM and hardly even know about teenybopper-era Britney Spears.  Disney Renaissance films were never coming out in theaters while they were old enough to remember them; they only remember modern CG-animated films by Pixar, DreamWorks, Blue Sky, and the like.  They weren't old enough to experience Pokémania, nor did they watch the classic Nicktoons or Cartoon Cartoons.  Whereas those born in the early 80s and mid-90s probably grew up in a living room environment and witness the grow of digital technology as they matured, kids born in 1999 were already living fully digital lives from the beginning.  Personally, I'd set the cutoff date between Y and Z at 1997, as it's really only before that year that kids would have grown up in more of a living room environment and not used entirely digital technology during their childhoods.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/03/15 at 5:51 pm


1999 is the best year to end Generation Y because 1999 is the last year of both the 20th century and the 2nd millennium, while 2000 is the best year to start Generation Z because 2000 started the 21st century and the 3rd millennium.
Actually, 2000 is the last year for the 20th Century and the 2nd Millennium. There was never a year 0 in the calendar; however, I agree that 2001 is definitely a good year to start generation Z.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/03/15 at 5:54 pm


Actually, 2000 is the last year for the 20th Century and the 2nd Millennium. There was never a year 0 in the calendar; however, I agree that 2001 is definitely a good year to start generation Z.


2001 is way too late a starting point.  Kids born that year are only in 9th grade right now, so there are still three years-worth of children born earlier who are still in high school at a time when EDM, social media, iPhones/Androids, YouTube, and the like have been standard for years.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 11/03/15 at 5:59 pm


2001 is way too late a starting point.  Kids born that year are only in 9th grade right now, so there are still three years-worth of children born earlier who are still in high school at a time when EDM, social media, iPhones/Androids, YouTube, and the like have been standard for years.


Why? 2001 babies (at least for those who were born after 9/11) were the first partial 2010s kids while having a late 2000s underlap.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/03/15 at 6:05 pm


School shootings were a big deal for Gen Y also.  I remember being scared to go to school after the Columbine shootings.  There were several threats and lockdowns at my middle school because of students threatening to copycat it.

I think the distinction for Generation Z is most if not all of their living memory is in a post 9/11 world.
I agree with you second statement; as for the first one, while there has always been school shootings, I looked up the shootings that took place in this decade and there seems to be more than the last 3 decades combined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States


2001 is way too late a starting point.  Kids born that year are only in 9th grade right now, so there are still three years-worth of children born earlier who are still in high school at a time when EDM, social media, iPhones/Androids, YouTube, and the like have been standard for years.
Well, I have seen starting points for Z from articles with the earliest at 1991 and the latest at 2001 and the most common being 1995/96.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/03/15 at 6:13 pm

I'm with #Infinity, 2000 or 2001 are just numbers. It's about when the culture drastically changed and how you grew up into it when it was becoming relevant. As everyone already knows from me being born in 1996 I'm not surprised many sources consider me as beginning of Gen Z, even though I have tons of Gen Y influence. I'm on the Gen Y/Z cusp at best.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/03/15 at 7:15 pm


Why? 2001 babies (at least for those who were born after 9/11) were the first partial 2010s kids while having a late 2000s underlap.


The main foundations for 2010s culture were already laid during the second half of the 2000s and were already dramatically transforming people's way of life during that time.  2005 saw the launch of YouTube and breakthrough of Wikipedia, 2006 had the Wii and breakthrough of YouTube and Facebook, 2007 saw the birth of the iPhone and standardization of YouTube, 2008 had the Recession and breakthrough of Skype, and 2009 was when 2010s culture became fairly dominant for the first time.  In a nutshell, late 2000s kids fit alongside 2010s kids much better than late 90s and early 2000s kids.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Zelek on 11/03/15 at 7:20 pm


Whereas those born in the early 80s and mid-90s probably grew up in a living room environment and witness the grow of digital technology as they matured, kids born in 1999 were already living fully digital lives from the beginning.  Personally, I'd set the cutoff date between Y and Z at 1997, as it's really only before that year that kids would have grown up in more of a living room environment and not used entirely digital technology during their childhoods.

When you say this, do you mean 1997 is the last of Y or the first of Z?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/03/15 at 7:35 pm


When you say this, do you mean 1997 is the last of Y or the first of Z?


In general, the first half is the last sliver of Generation Y, while the second half is the beginning of Z.  In other words, 2015 is the last Gen-Y high school class, while 2016 is the first Gen-Z class.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: muppethammer26 on 11/03/15 at 9:48 pm


In general, the first half is the last sliver of Generation Y, while the second half is the beginning of Z.  In other words, 2015 is the last Gen-Y high school class, while 2016 is the first Gen-Z class.


What about people born in 1998 and 1999? Like I said earlier, it would make more sense for them to be the last sliver of Generation Y, along with the rest of 1997 births, since they were also born in the 1990s and were the last people on earth whose birth years start with the number 19. I would rather put all of the 90s in one generation rather than splitting the 90s into two generations.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/03/15 at 11:10 pm


What about people born in 1998 and 1999? Like I said earlier, it would make more sense for them to be the last sliver of Generation Y, along with the rest of 1997 births, since they were also born in the 1990s and were the last people on earth whose birth years start with the number 19. I would rather put all of the 90s in one generation rather than splitting the 90s into two generations.


Like mqg96 stated, 1998 and 1999 are just numbers.  People born these years would have been entering their childhoods after the classic 2000s shows, video games, technologies, and everything else that defined the living room era of popular culture began to die off while new things like YouTube, Wikipedia, social media, Wii, etc. were just getting started.  The Internet was pretty much also a given apparatus of everyday activity to them and not just some cool, groundbreaking niche that you occasionally checked out while you were young.  People born these years did not bond over trips to the malls or living room get-togethers the way their older peers did, instead relying on electronics for pretty much everything.  Besides, people born in 1998 and 1999 would not have been old enough to even remember the 90s, or really anything prior to 9/11 aside from maybe a couple of toddlerhood toys.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ralfy on 11/04/15 at 10:56 am

If seen in a global light, then the numbers change even more. For example, globalization dominated in Europe during the '60s, but only a bit later for Japan, the '70s or the '80s for the "tigers," the '90s onward for BRICS, and recently emerging markets.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/04/15 at 4:55 pm

I agree with Mqg and Infinity

The cultural and technological differences become greater over time, because of this generations become smaller

Personally if you were to ask me I would divide Y like this:

1982-1986 - Early Y: Neon Era Children during the Fox Kids, Disney Afternoon, Nick Golden Age, First Half of Disney Renaissance & Turtle-mania Era
Teens of the millennium era - 1997-2003

1987-1992 - Core Y: Grunge/Gangsta Rap Era Children during the Golden Age of Kids Wb, Golden Nick, Early Cartoon Network, One Saturday Morning, Second Half of Disney Renaissance & Power Rangers Mania Era
Teens of the Emo era - 2004-2007/2008

1993-1997 - Late Y: Millennium Era Children during the Silver Age of Nick, Golden Age of CN, Zoog Disney Era, Toon Disney, Post Disney Renaissance, & Pokemania Era
Teens of the Electropop era - 2008-2011/2012

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/04/15 at 5:00 pm


I agree with Mqg and Infinity

1993-1997 - Late Y: Millennium Era Children during the Silver Age of Nick, Golden Age of CN, Zoog Disney Era, Toon Disney, Post Disney Renaissance, & Pokemania Era
Teens of the Electropop era - 2008-2011/2012



Everybody in the children section had at least 1 grade school elementary year in this era, and for the teen section had at least 1 high school year for that era, so that makes sense. Although, 1991 & 1992 born's would have these late Y traits mixed with their core Y traits as well.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/04/15 at 5:49 pm


Like mqg96 stated, 1998 and 1999 are just numbers.  People born these years would have been entering their childhoods after the classic 2000s shows, video games, technologies, and everything else that defined the living room era of popular culture began to die off while new things like YouTube, Wikipedia, social media, Wii, etc. were just getting started.  The Internet was pretty much also a given apparatus of everyday activity to them and not just some cool, groundbreaking niche that you occasionally checked out while you were young.  People born these years did not bond over trips to the malls or living room get-togethers the way their older peers did, instead relying on electronics for pretty much everything.  Besides, people born in 1998 and 1999 would not have been old enough to even remember the 90s, or really anything prior to 9/11 aside from maybe a couple of toddlerhood toys.


Yeah, it's tough because, when I was teenager, there was nothing I hated more than for an older person to swoop in and start telling me what I could and couldn't remember, but I think we have to be realistic here. Even if we're being charitable, somebody born in 1999 is going to have very few concrete memories before 2004, and that's an important cut-off. The mid '00s saw a huge technological shift that largely shaped the world we live today with events like the launch of YouTube, popularization of Wikipedia, rise of social media sites, increasing access to broadband internet, larger numbers of networks starting to broadcast in HD, release of early portable video players like the PSP and 5th Gen iPod, and so on.

To me, being a Millennial isn't really so much about being a "Child of the '90s", like some people contend, as it is about having some memory of what it was like to live before essentially every movie/show/song/piece of information/etc. became available to you at the touch of a button. Maybe I'm simplifying it a bit too much but, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you're old enough to have some memories of the days of going down to Blockbuster to rent tapes, or browsing in the CD store with friends at the mall, or having to check out books from the library to do research for school in the time before Google Books, then I would consider you Gen Y. For that reason, I usually put the cut-off date around 1997 as well.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/04/15 at 7:27 pm


I agree with Mqg and Infinity

The cultural and technological differences become greater over time, because of this generations become smaller

Personally if you were to ask me I would divide Y like this:

1982-1986 - Early Y: Neon Era Children during the Fox Kids, Disney Afternoon, Nick Golden Age, First Half of Disney Renaissance & Turtle-mania Era
Teens of the millennium era - 1997-2003

1987-1992 - Core Y: Grunge/Gangsta Rap Era Children during the Golden Age of Kids Wb, Golden Nick, Early Cartoon Network, One Saturday Morning, Second Half of Disney Renaissance & Power Rangers Mania Era
Teens of the Emo era - 2004-2007/2008

1993-1997 - Late Y: Millennium Era Children during the Silver Age of Nick, Golden Age of CN, Zoog Disney Era, Toon Disney, Post Disney Renaissance, & Pokemania Era
Teens of the Electropop era - 2008-2011/2012

I feel I'm in between both the core and late Y as I experienced all these things as a kid and an adolescent.

There seems to be 2 transitions for the Y groups. The first one is from 1985 to 1988 and the second one is from 1991 to 1994.  That means they have qualities of 2 cohorts and not just one.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/05/15 at 1:16 am


I agree with Mqg and Infinity

The cultural and technological differences become greater over time, because of this generations become smaller

Personally if you were to ask me I would divide Y like this:

1982-1986 - Early Y: Neon Era Children during the Fox Kids, Disney Afternoon, Nick Golden Age, First Half of Disney Renaissance & Turtle-mania Era
Teens of the millennium era - 1997-2003

1987-1992 - Core Y: Grunge/Gangsta Rap Era Children during the Golden Age of Kids Wb, Golden Nick, Early Cartoon Network, One Saturday Morning, Second Half of Disney Renaissance & Power Rangers Mania Era
Teens of the Emo era - 2004-2007/2008

1993-1997 - Late Y: Millennium Era Children during the Silver Age of Nick, Golden Age of CN, Zoog Disney Era, Toon Disney, Post Disney Renaissance, & Pokemania Era
Teens of the Electropop era - 2008-2011/2012


1992 belongs with late Y, in my opinion. 1991 is debatable, but 1992 seems a bit too late to be core Y.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/05/15 at 11:27 am


I agree with Mqg and Infinity

The cultural and technological differences become greater over time, because of this generations become smaller

Personally if you were to ask me I would divide Y like this:

1982-1986 - Early Y: Neon Era Children during the Fox Kids, Disney Afternoon, Nick Golden Age, First Half of Disney Renaissance & Turtle-mania Era
Teens of the millennium era - 1997-2003

1987-1992 - Core Y: Grunge/Gangsta Rap Era Children during the Golden Age of Kids Wb, Golden Nick, Early Cartoon Network, One Saturday Morning, Second Half of Disney Renaissance & Power Rangers Mania Era
Teens of the Emo era - 2004-2007/2008

1993-1997 - Late Y: Millennium Era Children during the Silver Age of Nick, Golden Age of CN, Zoog Disney Era, Toon Disney, Post Disney Renaissance, & Pokemania Era
Teens of the Electropop era - 2008-2011/2012



1992 belongs with late Y, in my opinion. 1991 is debatable, but 1992 seems a bit too late to be core Y.


As I've stated before, going by OcarinaFan's chart, 1992 is kind of a mixture between core Y and late Y traits, but I agree that 1992 would probably have more late Y traits than core Y. Assuming that most 1992 born's graduated high school in 2010, they would've been in Kindergarten thru 2nd grade (1997-2000) during Kids WB's golden age, but they would've pretty much spent their entire elementary school years in CN's golden age and Toon Disney's golden age as well. They would've been in 1st grade when Pokemon came out. They would've spent their entire elementary school years in Nick's silver age. Their high school years were spent half n' half between emo era (2006-early 2008) and electropop era (late 2008-2010). I do believe that 1992 born's are just barely old enough to remember the tail end of Disney's Renaissance Era assuming that they would've caught Hercules, Mulan, or Tarzan. They were too young to remember Nick's golden age and early Cartoon Network though, since that was over with by the time they started Kindergarten. Likewise, it could be debatable that 1997 is too late for most of the late Y traits too, but they're still old enough to catch the tail end of a lot of it though, so they'd probably be an even mixture of late Y traits and early Z traits, like me.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/05/15 at 4:36 pm

I was born in 1992, class of 2011, and I personally feel more core Y.  I was fully immersed in Pokemania even though I was still in kindergarten (frankly, the rest of my peers, who were younger than me, caught on months sooner). I far preferred the Nintendo 64 over the GameCube post-2001, and I was usually one of the youngest people in the online communities I was a part of, particularly after my childhood and into my teens. I was most interested in top 40 music during the early 2000s, not so much the mid-late 2000s, although I did regain some of my interest during 11th and 12th grade thanks to the pop industry's resurgence during that time. I wasn't a Power Rangers fan growing up, but I was absolutely aware of its existence during preschool, and a lot of my peers owned toys from the franchise.  I never owned a Super Nintendo or even knew about the Sega Genesis, but I had played the former several times as a kid, since it was at the daycare center at my mom's 24 Hour Fitness. While I can agree that 1992 is generally a cusp year, I personally feel I was JUST old enough to fully appreciate most core Y trends, and my guess is that most other people my age felt the same.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/05/15 at 4:48 pm


I was born in 1992, class of 2011, and I personally feel more core Y.  I was fully immersed in Pokemania even though I was still in kindergarten (frankly, the rest of my peers, who were younger than me, caught on months sooner). I far preferred the Nintendo 64 over the GameCube post-2001, and I was usually one of the youngest people in the online communities I was a part of, particularly after my childhood and into my teens. I was most interested in top 40 music during the early 2000s, not so much the mid-late 2000s, although I did regain some of my interest during 11th and 12th grade thanks to the pop industry's resurgence during that time. I wasn't a Power Rangers fan growing up, but I was absolutely aware of its existence during preschool, and a lot of my peers owned toys from the franchise.  I never owned a Super Nintendo or even knew about the Sega Genesis, but I had played the former several times as a kid, since it was at the daycare center at my mom's 24 Hour Fitness. While I can agree that 1992 is generally a cusp year, I personally feel I was JUST old enough to fully appreciate most core Y trends, and my guess is that most other people my age felt the same.


I agree, despite you guys graduating high school in 2010 I still see you guys as more linked to late 80's babies rather than mid 90's babies hence why I typically consider you core Y along with those from 1985-1991. 1993-1996/7 Is more Late Y, Prime Early 2000's Kids

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/05/15 at 4:56 pm


I agree, despite you guys graduating high school in 2010 I still see you guys as more linked to late 80's babies rather than mid 90's babies hence why I typically consider you core Y along with those from 1985-1991. 1993-1996/7 Is more Late Y, Prime Early 2000's Kids


I just said I was class of 2011 though, like a lot of people born during the second half of 1992; how do you feel about people born from late 1992 to mid-1993?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/05/15 at 5:35 pm


As I've stated before, going by OcarinaFan's chart, 1992 is kind of a mixture between core Y and late Y traits, but I agree that 1992 would probably have more late Y traits than core Y. Assuming that most 1992 born's graduated high school in 2010, they would've been in Kindergarten thru 2nd grade (1997-2000) during Kids WB's golden age, but they would've pretty much spent their entire elementary school years in CN's golden age and Toon Disney's golden age as well. They would've been in 1st grade when Pokemon came out. They would've spent their entire elementary school years in Nick's silver age. Their high school years were spent half n' half between emo era (2006-early 2008) and electropop era (late 2008-2010). I do believe that 1992 born's are just barely old enough to remember the tail end of Disney's Renaissance Era assuming that they would've caught Hercules, Mulan, or Tarzan. They were too young to remember Nick's golden age and early Cartoon Network though, since that was over with by the time they started Kindergarten. Likewise, it could be debatable that 1997 is too late for most of the late Y traits too, but they're still old enough to catch the tail end of a lot of it though, so they'd probably be an even mixture of late Y traits and early Z traits, like me.

That's debatable, they probably could remember the 1996 and 1997 years of Nick and CN, since they were 4 and 5 at that time.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/05/15 at 5:58 pm


I was born in 1992, class of 2011, and I personally feel more core Y.  I was fully immersed in Pokemania even though I was still in kindergarten (frankly, the rest of my peers, who were younger than me, caught on months sooner). I far preferred the Nintendo 64 over the GameCube post-2001, and I was usually one of the youngest people in the online communities I was a part of, particularly after my childhood and into my teens. I was most interested in top 40 music during the early 2000s, not so much the mid-late 2000s, although I did regain some of my interest during 11th and 12th grade thanks to the pop industry's resurgence during that time. I wasn't a Power Rangers fan growing up, but I was absolutely aware of its existence during preschool, and a lot of my peers owned toys from the franchise.  I never owned a Super Nintendo or even knew about the Sega Genesis, but I had played the former several times as a kid, since it was at the daycare center at my mom's 24 Hour Fitness. While I can agree that 1992 is generally a cusp year, I personally feel I was JUST old enough to fully appreciate most core Y trends, and my guess is that most other people my age felt the same.
This is how I feel. I see myself more as a core Yer than a late one. Some of the things you listed were some I was immersed in as well. I was aware of Power Rangers during the early seasons and even watched the shows (When Fox Kids owned them) and had a few of the toys; I even recall when Pokemon was significantly huge everywhere that I had the toys, games and watched the anime. Even more, I had played the SNES and the Genesis when they were at the end of their cycle and then switched to the N64 and PS1 when I had them and also eventually getting the Dreamcast around the same time as well.

I have many friends your age and I definitely consider you and them Core Yers. It's why I feel there's a transition between the 3 cohorts as some of us have characteristics from 2 of them. Since we were both in the C/O 2011, we are in a cusp of Core and late Y. Our early adolescence occurred during the mid 00s when Emo was huge and then the rest of it was in the late 00s when electropop was huge from 10th-12th grade. In addition, we were in ES when Clinton was president and were in HS when Obama was elected. I say that's enough for us and everyone around our age to be in the same cohort. We're mainly Core Yers with a slight portion of late Y.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/05/15 at 6:04 pm


That's debatable, they probably could remember the 1996 and 1997 years of Nick and CN, since they were 4 and 5 at that time.


You're right, I'm not counting anything before Kindergarten though, as most kids on average don't really gasp the pop culture until they start mandatory school and start interacting in the real world with friends, however, I understand that everybody's experiences were different though. There's no doubt someone born in 1992 could've been watching Nickelodeon in 1996 if he or she had older influence in the family.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/05/15 at 7:05 pm


I just said I was class of 2011 though, like a lot of people born during the second half of 1992; how do you feel about people born from late 1992 to mid-1993?


Yeah thats pretty tricky. Personally I typically consider 1993 as more late Y, but I get where you are coming from since you was born late in the year. But I'll use grad classes as an example:

Class of 1999-Class of 2002: Early Y

Class of 2003-Class of 2010: Core Y

Class of 2011-Class of 2015 Late Y

Now this is just my opinion though. Since you was born in 92, then you should definitely remember your early childhood years from circa 1995-1997 when it was still core 90's culture

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/05/15 at 7:07 pm


You're right, I'm not counting anything before Kindergarten though, as most kids on average don't really gasp the pop culture until they start mandatory school and start interacting in the real world with friends, however, I understand that everybody's experiences were different though. There's no doubt someone born in 1992 could've been watching Nickelodeon in 1996 if he or she had older influence in the family.


Exactly plus they would've been 6 when Nick's Golden Age ended since 1998 is widely considered the turning point between Golden Age Nick and Silver Age Nick, so lets say they could of watched Nick and remembered it at the earliest in 1995, that would give the average 92er about 4 years of being able to watch classic Nick

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/05/15 at 8:33 pm


Yeah thats pretty tricky. Personally I typically consider 1993 as more late Y, but I get where you are coming from since you was born late in the year. But I'll use grad classes as an example:

Class of 1999-Class of 2002: Early Y

Class of 2003-Class of 2010: Core Y

Class of 2011-Class of 2015 Late Y

Now this is just my opinion though. Since you was born in 92, then you should definitely remember your early childhood years from circa 1995-1997 when it was still core 90's culture


Yeah, I distinctly remember when The Hunchback of Notre Dame was brand new, and that was in the summer of 1996.  Hercules was also one of my favorite Disney Renaissance films as a child, along with Mulan; like Hunchback, I first saw them when they were brand new and merchandise for the films was appear in fast food kid's meals and toy stores.  I used to think of Burger King whenever I saw the gargoyles from Hunchback because of the Burger King toy promotion for the film.  Someone born even a couple of years later than me, like my younger sister for example, would not have remembered what it was like to experience the Disney Renaissance while it was still going on, nor would Pokémania have been going on by the time they started kindergarten.

Like I said before, I think which third of Generation Y an '11 belongs to depends on the individual.  Since I was less interested in mainstream culture by my teens and was a part of online communities that were generally years older than me (i.e., the Dance Dance Revolution community), I personally identify more with core Y than late Y.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/06/15 at 2:59 pm


As I've stated before, going by OcarinaFan's chart, 1992 is kind of a mixture between core Y and late Y traits, but I agree that 1992 would probably have more late Y traits than core Y. Assuming that most 1992 born's graduated high school in 2010, they would've been in Kindergarten thru 2nd grade (1997-2000) during Kids WB's golden age, but they would've pretty much spent their entire elementary school years in CN's golden age and Toon Disney's golden age as well. They would've been in 1st grade when Pokemon came out. They would've spent their entire elementary school years in Nick's silver age. Their high school years were spent half n' half between emo era (2006-early 2008) and electropop era (late 2008-2010). I do believe that 1992 born's are just barely old enough to remember the tail end of Disney's Renaissance Era assuming that they would've caught Hercules, Mulan, or Tarzan. They were too young to remember Nick's golden age and early Cartoon Network though, since that was over with by the time they started Kindergarten. Likewise, it could be debatable that 1997 is too late for most of the late Y traits too, but they're still old enough to catch the tail end of a lot of it though, so they'd probably be an even mixture of late Y traits and early Z traits, like me.


Actually I was born in 1993, and I remember the tail end of the Disney Renaissance. I actually remember Hercules coming out, and even being Hercules for Halloween that year. I clearly remember seeing Mulan and Tarzan in theaters too. To be honest I don't know where I fit in.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/06/15 at 3:13 pm


Yeah, I distinctly remember when The Hunchback of Notre Dame was brand new, and that was in the summer of 1996.  Hercules was also one of my favorite Disney Renaissance films as a child, along with Mulan; like Hunchback, I first saw them when they were brand new and merchandise for the films was appear in fast food kid's meals and toy stores.  I used to think of Burger King whenever I saw the gargoyles from Hunchback because of the Burger King toy promotion for the film.  Someone born even a couple of years later than me, like my younger sister for example, would not have remembered what it was like to experience the Disney Renaissance while it was still going on, nor would Pokémania have been going on by the time they started kindergarten.

Like I said before, I think which third of Generation Y an '11 belongs to depends on the individual.  Since I was less interested in mainstream culture by my teens and was a part of online communities that were generally years older than me (i.e., the Dance Dance Revolution community), I personally identify more with core Y than late Y.


I remember you mentioned your sister was born in late 1994. She would have started elementary school in 2000. Pokemania was still going strong then, though by the end of the school year around the summer of 2001, it was starting to decline. I can agree that she may not remember most of the Rennaisance, with the exception of maybe Mulan or Tarzan. I'm only a year older than your sister, and I can remember when Hercules came out. In fact, the age you were when Hunchback of Notre Dame came out, was around the same age I was when Hercules came out. So it is possible for someone born in 1994 to remember when Mulan came out. Memories are subjective though. Some people have memories that go back to age 2, some people may not remember things before age 7.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/06/15 at 3:25 pm


I agree with Mqg and Infinity

The cultural and technological differences become greater over time, because of this generations become smaller

Personally if you were to ask me I would divide Y like this:

1982-1986 - Early Y: Neon Era Children during the Fox Kids, Disney Afternoon, Nick Golden Age, First Half of Disney Renaissance & Turtle-mania Era
Teens of the millennium era - 1997-2003

1987-1992 - Core Y: Grunge/Gangsta Rap Era Children during the Golden Age of Kids Wb, Golden Nick, Early Cartoon Network, One Saturday Morning, Second Half of Disney Renaissance & Power Rangers Mania Era
Teens of the Emo era - 2004-2007/2008

1993-1997 - Late Y: Millennium Era Children during the Silver Age of Nick, Golden Age of CN, Zoog Disney Era, Toon Disney, Post Disney Renaissance, & Pokemania Era
Teens of the Electropop era - 2008-2011/2012


As I mentioned before, I do remember the late Disney Renaissance. Also I entered my teens in 2006, when emo was at it's peak. Someone born in 1992 would probably remember Power Rangers, just as it was declining (assuming they started watching at age 3). If they remember MMPR, it's likely from the reruns, same as someone born in 1993 and 1994. However based on this chart I have more in common with someone born in 1997 than someone born in 1992. I just think grouping 1992 and 1993 in separate categories is odd. I think these groupings are a bit wide, in all honesty.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/06/15 at 3:27 pm


Memories are subjective though. Some people have memories that go back to age 2, some people may not remember things before age 7.


One thing there's a big difference between quality of memories and quantity of memories. You might have your earliest memories at 2 or 3 years old, but its vague or not clear, and it's not that significant to your childhood and you're not aware of the pop culture yet. It's key when your memories crystallize and when you start having gasp on the pop culture of what's going on around you. When some people say that they can't remember anything before they're 6 or 7 years old, it usually means that they're referring to when they could start remember the pop culture or when their memories crystallize. I believe someone's memories is extremely bad if they can't remember ANYTHING, like it's pitch black blank before they turn 7, that's impossible unless they had a major brain problem.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/06/15 at 3:31 pm


One thing there's a big difference between quality of memories and quantity of memories. You might have your earliest memories at 2 or 3 years old, but its vague or not clear, and it's not that significant to your childhood and you're not aware of the pop culture yet. It's key when your memories crystallize and when you start having gasp on the pop culture of what's going on around you. When some people say that they can't remember anything before they're 6 or 7 years old, it usually means that they're referring to when they could start remember the pop culture or when their memories crystallize. I believe someone's memories is extremely bad if they can't remember ANYTHING, like it's pitch black blank before they turn 7, that's impossible unless they had a major brain problem.


I wasn't saying that I had my earliest memories at 2. I'm just saying that it's possible. My point was that #Infinity's childhood wasn't that far off from mine. Yet based on the chart, people born in 1992 have more in common with people born in the late 80s than with those only 1-2 years younger than themselves. This is just very confusing to me.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/06/15 at 3:53 pm


I remember you mentioned your sister was born in late 1994. She would have started elementary school in 2000. Pokemania was still going strong then, though by the end of the school year around the summer of 2001, it was starting to decline. I can agree that she may not remember most of the Rennaisance, with the exception of maybe Mulan or Tarzan. I'm only a year older than your sister, and I can remember when Hercules came out. In fact, the age you were when Hunchback of Notre Dame came out, was around the same age I was when Hercules came out. So it is possible for someone born in 1994 to remember when Mulan came out. Memories are subjective though. Some people have memories that go back to age 2, some people may not remember things before age 7.


That is true, however Mulan alone isn't really enough for the Disney Renaissance to have completely shaped somebody's childhood, especially if their memory wasn't completely developed yet (though I remember Hunchback, as well as Pocahontas to a smaller degree actually, Hercules was really the first film whose plot I was totally familiar with).  I think people from my sister's class would have grown up more with predominantly the non-musical post-Renaissance Disney films like The Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Sitch, as well as the CG animated films from the early 2000s such as Shrek, Monsters, Inc., and Ice Age.  My sister was actually never a fan of animation in general, and has a particular dislike of the latter film I listed, but I just figure that in general, pure late Y's would have been much more familiar with the modern-edged early 2000s animated films, whereas people from my class would have been shaped by an even balance of Disney Renaissance musicals and early CG animated classics.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/06/15 at 4:05 pm


As I mentioned before, I do remember the late Disney Renaissance. Also I entered my teens in 2006, when emo was at it's peak. Someone born in 1992 would probably remember Power Rangers, just as it was declining (assuming they started watching at age 3). If they remember MMPR, it's likely from the reruns, same as someone born in 1993 and 1994. However based on this chart I have more in common with someone born in 1997 than someone born in 1992. I just think grouping 1992 and 1993 in separate categories is odd. I think these groupings are a bit wide, in all honesty.


Well you got a point there. 1993 is tricky, I like how mxcrasher framed it

1991-1994, the inbetweeners between Core and Late Y

Basically they have the qualities of Core Yers like going to elementary school in the 90's, seeing the Disney renasaincce films when they were new, remembering Golden Age Nick, etc.

Now those from 1991-1992, might be leaning slightly more towards Core Y, while 1993-1994 might be slightly leaning more towards Late Y. All in all though, they would of grew up very similarly


In fact I might divide it up even more (sorry guys)


Early Gen Y aka American Pie Cohort, born 1981-1983: Main Late 80's/Early 90's Kids-AOL Era Teens; Your stereotypical Goth Crowd

Upper Core Gen Y aka Princess Diaries Cohort, born 1984-1986: Core Early-Mid 90's Kids-AOL/Napster Era Teens; Your stereotypical Punk Crowd

'Meat and Potatoes' of Gen Y aka Mean Girls Cohort, born 1987-1990: Core Mid-Late 90's Kids-Myspace Era Teens; Your stereotypical Emo Crowd

Lower Core Gen Y aka Jennifer's Body Cohort born 1991-1994: Main Late 90's/Early 00's Kids-Myspace/Facebook Era Teens; Your stereotypical Emo/Scene Crowd

Late Gen Y aka Hunger Games Cohort, born 1995-1997: Core Early-Mid 00's Kids-Facebook Era Teens; Your stereotypical Scene/Hipster Crowd

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/06/15 at 4:54 pm


I guess that makes sense. Where would you say I fit in? My memories of the Disney Renaissance follows the same pattern as yours, except a movie/year later. I remember when Hercules came out, have a vague memory of Hunchback, but Mulan was the first film where I could completely understand the plot. I guess I'm somewhere in between core Y and late Y.


Look at my updated post, you fall into the lower core section

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/06/15 at 9:23 pm


I was born in 1992, class of 2011, and I personally feel more core Y.  I was fully immersed in Pokemania even though I was still in kindergarten (frankly, the rest of my peers, who were younger than me, caught on months sooner). I far preferred the Nintendo 64 over the GameCube post-2001, and I was usually one of the youngest people in the online communities I was a part of, particularly after my childhood and into my teens. I was most interested in top 40 music during the early 2000s, not so much the mid-late 2000s, although I did regain some of my interest during 11th and 12th grade thanks to the pop industry's resurgence during that time. I wasn't a Power Rangers fan growing up, but I was absolutely aware of its existence during preschool, and a lot of my peers owned toys from the franchise.  I never owned a Super Nintendo or even knew about the Sega Genesis, but I had played the former several times as a kid, since it was at the daycare center at my mom's 24 Hour Fitness. While I can agree that 1992 is generally a cusp year, I personally feel I was JUST old enough to fully appreciate most core Y trends, and my guess is that most other people my age felt the same.


I could see why a '92er would feel that way. I have a younger brother born in 1991, as well as a younger cousin born in 1992, and despite an age gap of several years, they have a fairly similar worldview to me in many ways. We can all remember 9/11 and it's aftermath, the controversy over the Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, and the rise of Obama. They liked much of the same music as kids in the early '00s that I did as a teen, and we enjoyed playing mostly similar games on PS1 and PS2 (including GTA: San Andreas, which I used to let my cousin play on my PS2 since his mom wouldn't buy it for him).

That's not to say there's not differences of course. I have clearer memories of Clinton era kids stuff (SNES/Goosebumps/Peak Nick/Pogs/etc.) than they do. But, in my opinion, that's not as important as the similar 2000's experiences that we share, since the '00s are the decade that will forever be most identified with "Peak Y". In other words (if you'll excuse my rambling) I think that, when it comes to being considered "Core Y", being a '90s kid is not as important as having clear, concise memories of the events and pop culture of the early-to-mid '00s.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/06/15 at 9:36 pm


Early Gen Y aka American Pie Cohort, born 1981-1983: Main Late 80's/Early 90's Kids-AOL Era Teens; Your stereotypical Goth Crowd

Upper Core Gen Y aka Princess Diaries Cohort, born 1984-1986: Core Early-Mid 90's Kids-AOL/Napster Era Teens; Your stereotypical Punk Crowd

'Meat and Potatoes' of Gen Y aka Mean Girls Cohort, born 1987-1990: Core Mid-Late 90's Kids-Myspace Era Teens; Your stereotypical Emo Crowd

Lower Core Gen Y aka Jennifer's Body Cohort born 1991-1994: Main Late 90's/Early 00's Kids-Myspace/Facebook Era Teens; Your stereotypical Emo/Scene Crowd

Late Gen Y aka Hunger Games Cohort, born 1995-1997: Core Early-Mid 00's Kids-Facebook Era Teens; Your stereotypical Scene/Hipster Crowd


I would agree with these definitions, particularly the bolded section. I have long held that 1987-1989/90 is the absolute peak of Generation Y, as our cohort checks very nearly every box on the proverbial Millennial litmus test. In the future, '87-'90 will be associated with Gen Y in the same way that '66-'69 is associated with Gen X. For better or worse, it's a perfect fit.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Gdowe1991 on 11/06/15 at 9:47 pm


Well you got a point there. 1993 is tricky, I like how mxcrasher framed it

1991-1994, the inbetweeners between Core and Late Y

Basically they have the qualities of Core Yers like going to elementary school in the 90's, seeing the Disney renasaincce films when they were new, remembering Golden Age Nick, etc.

Now those from 1991-1992, might be leaning slightly more towards Core Y, while 1993-1994 might be slightly leaning more towards Late Y. All in all though, they would of grew up very similarly


In fact I might divide it up even more (sorry guys)


Early Gen Y aka American Pie Cohort, born 1981-1983: Main Late 80's/Early 90's Kids-AOL Era Teens; Your stereotypical Goth Crowd

Upper Core Gen Y aka Princess Diaries Cohort, born 1984-1986: Core Early-Mid 90's Kids-AOL/Napster Era Teens; Your stereotypical Punk Crowd

'Meat and Potatoes' of Gen Y aka Mean Girls Cohort, born 1987-1990: Core Mid-Late 90's Kids-Myspace Era Teens; Your stereotypical Emo Crowd

Lower Core Gen Y aka Jennifer's Body Cohort born 1991-1994: Main Late 90's/Early 00's Kids-Myspace/Facebook Era Teens; Your stereotypical Emo/Scene Crowd

Late Gen Y aka Hunger Games Cohort, born 1995-1997: Core Early-Mid 00's Kids-Facebook Era Teens; Your stereotypical Scene/Hipster Crowd
So I see that you think I grew up more similarly to those born in 1994 than to those born in 1989/1990  *face palm* Us 1991 borns experienced and grew up identical to those born in 1989/1990, I mean my childhood began in the mid 90s whereas 94ers started their childhood in the late 90s and Ho exactly domI qualify as a Facebook era teen when I wasn't even an of minor age(under 18) when it exploded? I think in order to qualify as a teen of a given era you need to have been under 18 for at least some time in that era. The year 1996 is one of my fondest years from my early childhood and I remember early in that year I had a sega genesis and I also remember some commercials from that year.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/06/15 at 10:07 pm


Look at my updated post, you fall into the lower core section


Sorry, I was probably typing my last post, as you posted your updated chart. So I did not see it at first. Your new chart is spot on.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Gdowe1991 on 11/06/15 at 10:58 pm

Let me just give you guys a little peek at my personal experiences growing up as an individual 1991 born for you guys to more accurately decide on whether I should be placed in core Y or late Y or if I fit more on board with those born in the late 80s or mid 90s.
I was born on June 27, 1991

My first memory occurred somewhere in 1994 at three years old and most of my vague memories for this year are from being in theaters seeing the move "The Lion King" and getting a lion king toy from burger king(I got Ed the hyena by the way) that's one of the only memories I can think of  that I have from 1994.

In 1995 my memories became more consistent, and for that year I was big on collecting Thomas the Tank Engine ERTL toys and loved the show, I watched a lot of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers that year, I actually remember pretty clearly anticipating the show to come on right after I Love Lucy finishes, I saw Disney's animated film Pocahonatas in the summer of that year which is a pretty clear memory of that night specifically of coming out of the movies theater and waiting for a ride and my mother constantly telling me to stop kicking my feet while sitting on a ledge. This is when I had my Sega Genesis with the game "The Lion King" which I owned personally and  original NES that was owned by my aunt who let us borrow it for sometime, although the system was pretty much no longer relevant at the time so you don't have to count that and I also saw Toy Story  later that year( or perhaps it was early 1996) with some cousins of mine. One song I remember hearing from that year is TLC's Waterfalls which I heard riding in my dads van and I also remember ads on Fox Kids for the Spider-Man animated series. This was the year I remember owning a pair of overalls.

In 1996 my memories start to become more substantial and more clear. This was the year where I went to see the movie James and the Giant Peach in theaters with my dad, I was supposed to see the movies HomeWard Bound with my mom at one time that year put something came up that day so weren't able to see it, I also remember one ad spot for the movie all dogs go to heaven. TV shows I watched that year were reruns of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Wishbone(which played on both PBS and NBC), early Cartoon Network with shows like Garfield, looney tunes Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Dexter's Lab(I remember seeing the earliest episode of this show on the What a Cartoon Show and some other early episodes it), Bill Nye the Science Guy, Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego and reruns of Shining Time Station. I remember my parents watching the 1996 olympics that year and songs that I remember hearing that year were Ready or Not by the Fugees(which was a song I loved at the time and still love till this day), Toni Braxton's Un Break my heart(another favorite of mine at the time), Ginuine's "Pony", Az Yets' "Last Night",  and Nas' "if I ruled the world". I entered elementary school later that year and I received the Thomas the Tank engine train set and a Super Nintendo for Christmas that year(that was still the more wise console to purchase at the time despite that the N64 already being out at the time due to its expense). I also remember Eek the Cat toys at Wendy's 101 Dalmation snow globes and Hunchback of Notre Dame toys from McDonalds from that year.

In 1997 I started mastering my Super Nintendo. I remember that many stores still sold games for the SNES  that year and Blockbuster still had them available for rental which I rented a Mario game that year(Super Mario RPG I believe it was) from blockbuster. Movies I saw that year in theaters were Scream(Yeah I don't know why my parents took me to see the movie with them), The Lost World Jurassic Park( my favorite movie of that year along with Men in Black), I remember watching the men in black music video with my mom and cousin(although I didn't see the movie at the time), I saw 101 Dalmations on tv a year after it was released, I remember seeing ads for Disney's Hercules on tv and I remember seeing the move "Wishmaster" late that year(or perhaps early 1998). 1997 still had a steong Mid 90s atmosphere to it more so than millennial. I always played the Crusin USA arcade model at my local Pizza Parlor in my neighborhood and my playground still had wooden see saws, I wanted the game Donkey Kong Country 3 at the time(my mom never got it for me until almost another two years, and I remember Star Fox 64 and Diddy Kong racing coming out that year on N64. The songs I remember were Biggie Smalls' "Hypnotize", Monica's "For you I will", Mase's Feel so good,  and Will Smith's Men in Black Theme(as mentioned earlier). My cousin got a PlayStation for his birthday that year with games like Independence Day and Street Fighter which we played together a lot, and I also saw some of the NBA Finals that year between the Bulls and the Jazz that year when my mom tuned into it.

Continued......

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/07/15 at 2:13 am

Love your overview, Gdowe1991, it was really fun to read.  Here's an overview of my own memories:

1994:
I literally remember nothing from this year except for the fact that my family moved out of our old duplex to a suburban house in northeastern San Diego.  My sister was born shortly thereafter, but I don't remember being at the hospital to witness it.

1995:
This was the first year with scenes that I can directly recall as they happened.  One of the very first moments I remember in my life was when I was standing on a street at the top of a hill right near our house, and somebody told me that I was "bigger than everyone."  I remember watching Barney & Friends a lot, my favorite character being Kathy, who cherished her teddy bear as I did mine.  I was frequently babysat by a Swiss woman who my parents knew (we met her again thirteen years later on a trip to Europe).  I specifically remember being friends with one person, who lived at the top of my culdesac, as well as a black kid who I haven't really been in contact with since that year.

The first full day I remember was my 3rd birthday on August 18, 1995.  I remember the party being attended by a lot of kids of people who my parents knew.  I spent most of the day on the play set in our backyard.  We ordered a delicious white cake with a clown on it.  I distinctly remember one of my presents being a toy fishing pole that came in a long package, similar to the one from Toy Story that terrifies everybody.

1996:
My memories continued to be scattered episodes during the first part of this year, but by the time I started preschool in the fall, I pretty much felt like my sense of memory had become fully consistent, though I still couldn't specifically recall when certain things occurred in my life.  I was still primarily into kiddie things like Barney, stuffed dolls, and Raffi tapes, but as I noted earlier in this thread, I distinctly remember The Hunchback of Notre Dame being brand new.

1997:
Not too much distinguished this year from late 1997 for me, especially since I went through another year of preschool in the same classroom as the previous school year.  That said, I may have been introduced to a few more kid's shows, and I'm pretty sure at some point near this time (though I can't remember the specific date), I got a Macintosh computer for my room, which I used constantly to play with educational tools like Math Blaster Jr. and Living Books games.  I'm pretty sure I played a few computer games in 1996 as well, but they were on the Windows in our house's bonus room, and I didn't get around to them nearly as much as my Macintosh programs.  This was the year I saw Hercules in theaters, and I fell in love with that movie to a degree I hadn't with Pocahontas or Hunchback (I also played the CD-ROM game religiously).

1998:
This year marks the point where my childhood fully came into its own, and thus also about the time I started being able to remember practically everything as if it happened yesterday, especially when I started my highly memorable kindergarten year in the fall.  Though I took longer to watch Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network than most, I did become immediately hooked on Nintendo during the summer of this year, expanding upon my geekiness that originated with my Macintosh.  For pretty much the entire second half of the year, I begged and begged my parents to buy me a Nintendo 64, which I never did receive until Christmas, although I was partially preoccupied by my dad's old NES (which I used to play Super Mario Bros. 1 and 2, Total Recall, and Sesame Street), as well as when we rented the Nintendo 64.  I didn't really remember hearing any music besides kiddie tapes until 1999, but I think I may have heard Madonna's Ray of Light on a few occasions this year.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/07/15 at 5:52 am


Let me just give you guys a little peek at my personal experiences growing up as an individual 1991 born for you guys to more accurately decide on whether I should be placed in core Y or late Y or if I fit more on board with those born in the late 80s or mid 90s.
I was born on June 27, 1991

My first memory occurred somewhere in 1994 at three years old and most of my vague memories for this year are from being in theaters seeing the move "The Lion King" and getting a lion king toy from burger king(I got Ed the hyena by the way) that's one of the only memories I can think of  that I have from 1994.

In 1995 my memories became more consistent, and for that year I was big on collecting Thomas the Tank Engine ERTL toys and loved the show, I watched a lot of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers that year, I actually remember pretty clearly anticipating the show to come on right after I Love Lucy finishes, I saw Disney's animated film Pocahonatas in the summer of that year which is a pretty clear memory of that night specifically of coming out of the movies theater and waiting for a ride and my mother constantly telling me to stop kicking my feet while sitting on a ledge. This is when I had my Sega Genesis with the game "The Lion King" which I owned personally and  original NES that was owned by my aunt who let us borrow it for sometime, although the system was pretty much no longer relevant at the time so you don't have to count that and I also saw Toy Story  later that year( or perhaps it was early 1996) with some cousins of mine. One song I remember hearing from that year is TLC's Waterfalls which I heard riding in my dads van and I also remember ads on Fox Kids for the Spider-Man animated series. This was the year I remember owning a pair of overalls.

In 1996 my memories start to become more substantial and more clear. This was the year where I went to see the movie James and the Giant Peach in theaters with my dad, I was supposed to see the movies HomeWard Bound with my mom at one time that year put something came up that day so weren't able to see it, I also remember one ad spot for the movie all dogs go to heaven. TV shows I watched that year were reruns of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Wishbone(which played on both PBS and NBC), early Cartoon Network with shows like Garfield, looney tunes Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Dexter's Lab(I remember seeing the earliest episode of this show on the What a Cartoon Show and some other early episodes it), Bill Nye the Science Guy, Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego and reruns of Shining Time Station. I remember my parents watching the 1996 olympics that year and songs that I remember hearing that year were Ready or Not by the Fugees(which was a song I loved at the time and still love till this day), Toni Braxton's Un Break my heart(another favorite of mine at the time), Ginuine's "Pony", Az Yets' "Last Night",  and Nas' "if I ruled the world". I entered elementary school later that year and I received the Thomas the Tank engine train set and a Super Nintendo for Christmas that year(that was still the more wise console to purchase at the time despite that the N64 already being out at the time due to its expense). I also remember Eek the Cat toys at Wendy's 101 Dalmation and Hunchback of Notre Dame toys from McDonalds from that year.

In 1997 I started mastering my Super Nintendo. I remember that many stores still sold games for the SNES  that year and Blockbuster still had them available for rental which I rented a Mario game that year(Super Mario RPG I believe it was) from blockbuster. Movies I saw that year in theaters were Scream(Yeah I don't know why my parents took me to see the movie with them), The Lost World Jurassic Park( my favorite movie of that year along with Men in Black), I remember watching the men in black music video with my mom and cousin(although I didn't see the movie at the time), I saw 101 Dalmations on tv a year after it was released, I remember seeing ads for Disney's Hercules on tv and I remember seeing the move "Wishmaster" late that year(or perhaps early 1998). 1997 still had a steong Mid 90s atmosphere to it more so than millennial. I always played the Crusin USA arcade model at my local Pizza Parlor in my neighborhood and my playground still had wooden see saws, I wanted the game Donkey Kong Country 3 at the time(my mom never got it for me until almost another two years, and I remember Star Fox 64 and Diddy Kong racing coming out that year on N64. The songs I remember were Biggie Smalls' "Hypnotize", Monica's "For you I will", Mase's Feel so good,  and Will Smith's Men in Black Theme(as mentioned earlier). My cousin got a PlayStation for his birthday that year with games like Independence Day and Street Fighter which we played together a lot, and I also saw some of the NBA Finals that year between the Bulls and the Jazz that year when my mom tuned into it.

Continued......


These memories seem more like Core Y rather than Late Y. Ok that is my bad.

I guess we could redefine it like this:

1981-1984: Older Y

1985-1986: Outer Core Y/Older Side

1987-1990: Core Y

1991-1992: Outer Core Y/Younger Side

1993-1996: Younger Y

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/07/15 at 3:31 pm


Love your overview, Gdowe1991, it was really fun to read.  Here's an overview of my own memories:

1994:
I literally remember nothing from this year except for the fact that my family moved out of our old duplex to a suburban house in northeastern San Diego.  My sister was born shortly thereafter, but I don't remember being at the hospital to witness it.

1995:
This was the first year with scenes that I can directly recall as they happened.  One of the very first moments I remember in my life was when I was standing on a street at the top of a hill right near our house, and somebody told me that I was "bigger than everyone."  I remember watching Barney & Friends a lot, my favorite character being Kathy, who cherished her teddy bear as I did mine.  I was frequently babysat by a Swiss woman who my parents knew (we met her again thirteen years later on a trip to Europe).  I specifically remember being friends with one person, who lived at the top of my culdesac, as well as a black kid who I haven't really been in contact with since that year.

The first full day I remember was my 3rd birthday on August 18, 1995.  I remember the party being attended by a lot of kids of people who my parents knew.  I spent most of the day on the play set in our backyard.  We ordered a delicious white cake with a clown on it.  I distinctly remember one of my presents being a toy fishing pole that came in a long package, similar to the one from Toy Story that terrifies everybody.

1996:
My memories continued to be scattered episodes during the first part of this year, but by the time I started preschool in the fall, I pretty much felt like my sense of memory had become fully consistent, though I still couldn't specifically recall when certain things occurred in my life.  I was still primarily into kiddie things like Barney, stuffed dolls, and Raffi tapes, but as I noted earlier in this thread, I distinctly remember The Hunchback of Notre Dame being brand new.

1997:
Not too much distinguished this year from late 1997 for me, especially since I went through another year of preschool in the same classroom as the previous school year.  That said, I may have been introduced to a few more kid's shows, and I'm pretty sure at some point near this time (though I can't remember the specific date), I got a Macintosh computer for my room, which I used constantly to play with educational tools like Math Blaster Jr. and Living Books games.  I'm pretty sure I played a few computer games in 1996 as well, but they were on the Windows in our house's bonus room, and I didn't get around to them nearly as much as my Macintosh programs.  This was the year I saw Hercules in theaters, and I fell in love with that movie to a degree I hadn't with Pocahontas or Hunchback (I also played the CD-ROM game religiously).

1998:
This year marks the point where my childhood fully came into its own, and thus also about the time I started being able to remember practically everything as if it happened yesterday, especially when I started my highly memorable kindergarten year in the fall.  Though I took longer to watch Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network than most, I did become immediately hooked on Nintendo during the summer of this year, expanding upon my geekiness that originated with my Macintosh.  For pretty much the entire second half of the year, I begged and begged my parents to buy me a Nintendo 64, which I never did receive until Christmas, although I was partially preoccupied by my dad's old NES (which I used to play Super Mario Bros. 1 and 2, Total Recall, and Sesame Street), as well as when we rented the Nintendo 64.  I didn't really remember hearing any music besides kiddie tapes until 1999, but I think I may have heard Madonna's Ray of Light on a few occasions this year.


Yeah these memories seem more Core Yish, thanks for sharing!

I would like your opinion on my memories, do they seem more like Late Y or Early Z?

1999:

While mostly vague memories, I do vividly remember the old house I used to live in. I remember that summer like it was yesterday, being baby sat by my older sisters, playing with my cousins, watching Kids WB, Fox Kids, ABC One Saturday Morning and Nick Jr., being a huge fan of Blues Clues and Little Bill on Nick Jr. and Pokemon and Animaniacs on Kids WB, going to a family reunion in Georgia and becoming potty trained on that same trip, etc. I remember my sisters being into NSYNC, Destiny's Child & Britney Spears back in the day and I remember hearing Cher's song Believe on the radio. I also remember Fall of 1999 pretty well, starting pre school, going on the school bus for the first time, watching shows like Rugrats on those orange VHS Tapes, remembering my first Halloween, Christmas of 99' and getting tons of toys, my parents being scared of Y2K, and New Year 2000

2000:

While my memories are still pretty vague, they start to clear it up much more. I remember when we moved from our old house in Queens NY to our new house Brooklyn in or around April of 2000. I remember when we first got there that the backyard of the house had tons of weeds, so I remember me and my family working as a team to get out the weeds. I remember watching WWF with my cousins and we would pretend that we were the wrestlers on tv and kick each other assess. I played the SNES, PS1, Dreamcast, & N64 for the first time at my cousins house and one of my favorite games of all time being Ocarina of Time. I also remember watching Disney films with my family every weekend including the recent (albeit at the time) renasaincce films like Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast, along with my favorite from my early childhood which I remember vividly getting the VHS copy for, that being Tarzan. I remember summer of 2000 like it was yesterday, going to summer camp for the first time, going on various trips with the camp including one to Fun Time USA and another one to a Carnival, I remember my parents taking me to Coney Island for the first time this year and I remember getting a kiddy ride by myself and on the himalaya ride with my dad, I also went to Orlando, Florida and I remember going to Disney World for the first time this year and I remember the fireworks and such and being scared of some of the rides there like Magic Mountain, We also went to Universal Studios and I remember getting on the Twister, King Kong, E.T, Jaws, & Men In Black rides. Around Fall of 2000, is when my memories started to become substantially clearer. I was heavily into Pokemon at this point and I remember kids at my pre school playing the card game. I learned how to play the card game and became a fan of it ever since. I eventually got a Gameboy Color that Christmas with Pokemon Red (although I didn't know how to read so when I played it was doing random stuff without progressing the story, I eventually beat the game in 2003) & Tetris. I also along got tons of toys that year including a Reptar toy, and my first Hess Truck. I vividly remember my sister 5 years my senior getting a HitClip that year as well.

2001:

Now this was when my memories became VERY Clear. I would go to pre school for much of the 2000-2001 school year, learning about the alphabet and such. I would play my Gameboy Color almost all the time I was in the car. For my 5th birthday in March of 2001, we had a huge party at my house and I remember getting a Playstation 1, which came with that month's issue of Playstation Underground, along with the Playstation Underground Demo Disc. The first game I got with it was Tarzan, it was a side scroller with 3d polygons. It basically taught me the basics of gaming, which I appreciate deeply. I remember that year I would get tons of more PS1 games like Scooby Doo and the Cyber Chase, Spiderman, Spiderman 2: Enter Electro, 101 Dalmatians Puppies to the Rescue, Crash 3, Spyro Year of the Dragon, Monster's Inc. Scream Team, Rugrats Search of Reptar, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 & 3, and Ape Escape among countless others. My gaming life also continued with playing N64 at my cousins house with games like Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart 64, Super Mario 64, Mario Party 2, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo Kazooie, & Conker's Bad Fur Day (this was my older cousins lol). I remember being fully in dept with Pokemania this year when it came to the game on my gameboy color, the card game with friends at school and of course the show along with other shows like Static Shock, X-Men Evolution, & Jackie Chan Adventures on Kids WB, shows like Digimon (and well thats it) on Fox Kids, and shows like Doug, Recess, Teacher's Pet, Buzz Lightyear Star Command, & Llyod in Space on One Saturday Morning. I also went to Chucky Cheese for the first time for a friends birthday party in spring of that year and I remember playing in the ball pin. I remember my pre school graduation, and everybody being dressed up including me! I also remember having a family picture shoot right after. That summer was pretty epic as well, I went to Six Flags for the first time, I went back to summer camp again this year, I went Coney Island a few times, going to two family reunions one in upstate New York and the other in Georgia, watching WWF with my cousins during the tail end of the Attitude Era, learning how to ride a bike, going to Circus, going to a block party in Harlem, etc. I remember my older sisters and cousins being into JLO, Destiny's Child, NSYNC, Britney Spears, Christina Agulliera, & Aaliyah (especially around when she died) that year. Along with a lot of alternative and hip hop on the radio. I also remember my first day of kindergarten like it was yesterday and being very scared, but ended up having a blast and making new friends. Of course you cannot forget about September 11th though, thats sure was depressing even as a 5 year old. But I still generally had fun for the rest of the year, my family got cable in our entire household in October and I remember that I started to watch Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, & Toon Disney regularly. I would also watch Disney channel if they were playing a DCOM or Lizzie McGuire (a guilty pleasure of mine). That christmas, I remember I got a bunch of new PS1 games and GBC games, along with toys like a Bop It, another Hess Truck along with countless others. All in all 2001 brings back many great memories!

I would go on, but I don't want to bore you guys to death. Honest question does this seem more Late Y to you or Early Z? Reason I ask is that many sources state that I am at the tail end of Y or that I am at the very start of Z. So do these memories that I have seem more Late Yish or Early Zish?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/07/15 at 5:20 pm


That is true, however Mulan alone isn't really enough for the Disney Renaissance to have completely shaped somebody's childhood, especially if their memory wasn't completely developed yet (though I remember Hunchback, as well as Pocahontas to a smaller degree actually, Hercules was really the first film whose plot I was totally familiar with).  I think people from my sister's class would have grown up more with predominantly the non-musical post-Renaissance Disney films like The Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Sitch, as well as the CG animated films from the early 2000s such as Shrek, Monsters, Inc., and Ice Age.  My sister was actually never a fan of animation in general, and has a particular dislike of the latter film I listed, but I just figure that in general, pure late Y's would have been much more familiar with the modern-edged early 2000s animated films, whereas people from my class would have been shaped by an even balance of Disney Renaissance musicals and early CG animated classics.

I see what your saying, but just because we may not remember the renaissance in its entirety doesn't mean it couldn't have had an impact on us. I may only remember when Tarzan was released, but still the renaissance movies will always have a place in my heart.  I had watched the older Renaissance movies on vhs back in the day and I was blown away. They had the same impact on me as Emperors new groove, Lilo & Stitch,Dinosaur, Monsters Inc, Toy story 2, Finding Nemo, Shrek 1 and 2, The Incredibles, and Ice age did.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/07/15 at 8:53 pm


I see what your saying, but just because we may not remember the renaissance in its entirety doesn't mean it couldn't have had an impact on us. I may only remember when Tarzan was released, but still the renaissance movies will always have a place in my heart.  I had watched the older Renaissance movies on vhs back in the day and I was blown away. They had the same impact on me as Emperors new groove, Lilo & Stitch,Dinosaur, Monsters Inc, Toy story 2, Finding Nemo, Shrek 1 and 2, The Incredibles, and Ice age did.


Yep! We're old to enough to remember the tail end if the renaissance era and still be heavily influenced by the early 2000's films. I could vouch for this since I was obsessed with Tarzan when I was 3-6 years old, from the movie which we owned on VHS, to the game that I owned on PS1 (two of my cousins owned the same game, one owned it on N64 while the other on the same system as me).

Heres gameplay footage from the game:

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And the opening to the Tarzan VHS

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I also remember owning Mulan & Hercules, and they were still pretty recent at the time!

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Gdowe1991 on 11/08/15 at 9:08 am


Love your overview, Gdowe1991, it was really fun to read.  Here's an overview of my own memories:

1994:
I literally remember nothing from this year except for the fact that my family moved out of our old duplex to a suburban house in northeastern San Diego.  My sister was born shortly thereafter, but I don't remember being at the hospital to witness it.

1995:
This was the first year with scenes that I can directly recall as they happened.  One of the very first moments I remember in my life was when I was standing on a street at the top of a hill right near our house, and somebody told me that I was "bigger than everyone."  I remember watching Barney & Friends a lot, my favorite character being Kathy, who cherished her teddy bear as I did mine.  I was frequently babysat by a Swiss woman who my parents knew (we met her again thirteen years later on a trip to Europe).  I specifically remember being friends with one person, who lived at the top of my culdesac, as well as a black kid who I haven't really been in contact with since that year.

The first full day I remember was my 3rd birthday on August 18, 1995.  I remember the party being attended by a lot of kids of people who my parents knew.  I spent most of the day on the play set in our backyard.  We ordered a delicious white cake with a clown on it.  I distinctly remember one of my presents being a toy fishing pole that came in a long package, similar to the one from Toy Story that terrifies everybody.

1996:
My memories continued to be scattered episodes during the first part of this year, but by the time I started preschool in the fall, I pretty much felt like my sense of memory had become fully consistent, though I still couldn't specifically recall when certain things occurred in my life.  I was still primarily into kiddie things like Barney, stuffed dolls, and Raffi tapes, but as I noted earlier in this thread, I distinctly remember The Hunchback of Notre Dame being brand new.

1997:
Not too much distinguished this year from late 1997 for me, especially since I went through another year of preschool in the same classroom as the previous school year.  That said, I may have been introduced to a few more kid's shows, and I'm pretty sure at some point near this time (though I can't remember the specific date), I got a Macintosh computer for my room, which I used constantly to play with educational tools like Math Blaster Jr. and Living Books games.  I'm pretty sure I played a few computer games in 1996 as well, but they were on the Windows in our house's bonus room, and I didn't get around to them nearly as much as my Macintosh programs.  This was the year I saw Hercules in theaters, and I fell in love with that movie to a degree I hadn't with Pocahontas or Hunchback (I also played the CD-ROM game religiously).

1998:
This year marks the point where my childhood fully came into its own, and thus also about the time I started being able to remember practically everything as if it happened yesterday, especially when I started my highly memorable kindergarten year in the fall.  Though I took longer to watch Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network than most, I did become immediately hooked on Nintendo during the summer of this year, expanding upon my geekiness that originated with my Macintosh.  For pretty much the entire second half of the year, I begged and begged my parents to buy me a Nintendo 64, which I never did receive until Christmas, although I was partially preoccupied by my dad's old NES (which I used to play Super Mario Bros. 1 and 2, Total Recall, and Sesame Street), as well as when we rented the Nintendo 64.  I didn't really remember hearing any music besides kiddie tapes until 1999, but I think I may have heard Madonna's Ray of Light on a few occasions this year.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it ;)  But wait..... theres more :D

In 1998 I remember some of the NBA playoffs and also the NBA finals which my parents and other family would often watch and my cousin and I were huge Bulls fans at the time often pretending to be Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen when playing house hoops since we didn't have a basketball hoop at the time. This was the year that my memory really started to kick in and started remembering things even more as if they were just yesterday, due to the fact that I remember receiving an N64 for my birthday that year(six days late just to let you know) I remember some of the Bulls championship ceremony and I started 2nd grade later in that year. Songs I remember hearing that year are Brian McKnight's anymtime, Kci and Jojo's all my life, Jay Z's hard knock life, Bakstreet Boys Quit playing games( even though it came out in 1997), Jay Z and Jermaine Dupri money "ain't a thang", I also think I may have heard Cher's "Do you believe" and Savage Garden's "Truly Madly Deeply" at some point during the year as well but not too sure, Queen Pea's "Part ain't a party", Lauryn Hill's "too good to be true" and " Doo Woop that thing" and Busta Rhymes' "Dangerous" I saw movies like "Small Soldiers", How Stella got her groove back", I wanted to see "Mulan" but it was not available that night we went so we had to see "How Stella got her Groove back instead, that all I can think in regards to movies I saw remember seeing that year at the moment

Before I move on I just wanted to step back to 1996 for a sec and let you know that I remember when space jam came out, a student in my kindergarten class brought a basket full of gifts and candy. I also saw the movie "The Nutty Professor" on VHS later that year when we rented from blockbuster along with other movies like "Free Willy", "Babe", and "Free Willy 2 The Adventure home" at the time, and 1996 was the first year I remember hearing Montell Jordan's 1995 hit song " This is how we do it".

1999 is a very lucid year for me pop culture wise and this was the very first year I got deeply into music and pop culture and it would actually be bit too much to list here in regards to music but I will say that most of what I remember hearing on the radio was hip hop and r&b songs along with some pop. Movies I saw year that year were "The Rugrats movie", The Faculty( I saw these two movies on  the same night on January 2nd, 1999 with two other cousins and an aunt), "Doug's first movie and "Baby Geniuses"( I saw both these movies on the same day with my mom in April of 1999), "The Mummy", we wanted to see the movie "Deep Blue Sea"  in August of that year but I remember my mom worrying that if we saw that movie we would get out too late and public transportation would no longer be running so we had to see "The Sixth Sense" instead and later that year I saw Pokemon's first movie.

Just to avoid making this too long, I will say that in the 2000s I did most of the things that were targeted that were targeted towards my age group. I became an adolescent in 2003 and a socially accepted teen in 2004 and became a legally accepted adult in 2009 so that's  a bit more than half the decade I spent as an adolescent in the 2000s which I'm pretty sure would be enough to qualify my into the "core Y" cohort. I don't really consider the "electro pop" era or the early 2010s to really be all that much of a significant part of my adolescents really. Oh and by the way before I end this post I wanted to say that's a pretty interesting overview of your experiences. Thanks for sharing. :)

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/08/15 at 7:02 pm


I see what your saying, but just because we may not remember the renaissance in its entirety doesn't mean it couldn't have had an impact on us. I may only remember when Tarzan was released, but still the renaissance movies will always have a place in my heart.  I had watched the older Renaissance movies on vhs back in the day and I was blown away. They had the same impact on me as Emperors new groove, Lilo & Stitch,Dinosaur, Monsters Inc, Toy story 2, Finding Nemo, Shrek 1 and 2, The Incredibles, and Ice age did.


I also watched the early Renaissance movies on VHS and enjoyed them, but seeing Hunchback, Hercules, and Mulan back when they were brand new gave me the full experience.  Not only were they on the big screen instead of a living room tv, they were accompanied by fast food toy promotions and computer games, which expanded upon their appeal greatly for me as a kid.  In Hercules, for example, the majority of the Greek gods/goddesses and mythological creatures made little more than cameo appearances in the film, but I got to learn about them in full through the computer game hosted by Hermes.  On the other hand, with Aladdin, for example, all I was familiar with was the original film, the television series, and the second sequel; had I gotten promotional toys and played the Sega Genesis game as a kid, it certainly would have made a much larger impact on my childhood than it did.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/08/15 at 8:03 pm


I also watched the early Renaissance movies on VHS and enjoyed them, but seeing Hunchback, Hercules, and Mulan back when they were brand new gave me the full experience.  Not only were they on the big screen instead of a living room tv, they were accompanied by fast food toy promotions and computer games, which expanded upon their appeal greatly for me as a kid. In Hercules, for example, the majority of the Greek gods/goddesses and mythological creatures made little more than cameo appearances in the film, but I got to learn about them in full through the computer game hosted by Hermes.  On the other hand, with Aladdin, for example, all I was familiar with was the original film, the television series, and the second sequel; had I gotten promotional toys and played the Sega Genesis game as a kid, it certainly would have made a much larger impact on my childhood than it did.

Aww Yeah, just like I played Toy Story 2 the game on the N64, got happy meal toys, and bought the Tarzan action figures!! 8) Yeah, I see just like seeing Toy Story 2 when it was new was incredible, one of the first animated movies I saw in theaters. I even got the buzz lightyear and bulls-eye toys.  But anyways all of those renissance films, 20th century fox movies and the Warner Bros animated movies impacted me the same way as the early 2000s pixar and dreamwork movies did.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/08/15 at 10:59 pm


Let me just give you guys a little peek at my personal experiences growing up as an individual 1991 born for you guys to more accurately decide on whether I should be placed in core Y or late Y or if I fit more on board with those born in the late 80s or mid 90s.
I was born on June 27, 1991

My first memory occurred somewhere in 1994 at three years old and most of my vague memories for this year are from being in theaters seeing the move "The Lion King" and getting a lion king toy from burger king(I got Ed the hyena by the way) that's one of the only memories I can think of  that I have from 1994.

In 1995 my memories became more consistent, and for that year I was big on collecting Thomas the Tank Engine ERTL toys and loved the show, I watched a lot of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers that year, I actually remember pretty clearly anticipating the show to come on right after I Love Lucy finishes, I saw Disney's animated film Pocahonatas in the summer of that year which is a pretty clear memory of that night specifically of coming out of the movies theater and waiting for a ride and my mother constantly telling me to stop kicking my feet while sitting on a ledge. This is when I had my Sega Genesis with the game "The Lion King" which I owned personally and  original NES that was owned by my aunt who let us borrow it for sometime, although the system was pretty much no longer relevant at the time so you don't have to count that and I also saw Toy Story  later that year( or perhaps it was early 1996) with some cousins of mine. One song I remember hearing from that year is TLC's Waterfalls which I heard riding in my dads van and I also remember ads on Fox Kids for the Spider-Man animated series. This was the year I remember owning a pair of overalls.

In 1996 my memories start to become more substantial and more clear. This was the year where I went to see the movie James and the Giant Peach in theaters with my dad, I was supposed to see the movies HomeWard Bound with my mom at one time that year put something came up that day so weren't able to see it, I also remember one ad spot for the movie all dogs go to heaven. TV shows I watched that year were reruns of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Wishbone(which played on both PBS and NBC), early Cartoon Network with shows like Garfield, looney tunes Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Dexter's Lab(I remember seeing the earliest episode of this show on the What a Cartoon Show and some other early episodes it), Bill Nye the Science Guy, Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego and reruns of Shining Time Station. I remember my parents watching the 1996 olympics that year and songs that I remember hearing that year were Ready or Not by the Fugees(which was a song I loved at the time and still love till this day), Toni Braxton's Un Break my heart(another favorite of mine at the time), Ginuine's "Pony", Az Yets' "Last Night",  and Nas' "if I ruled the world". I entered elementary school later that year and I received the Thomas the Tank engine train set and a Super Nintendo for Christmas that year(that was still the more wise console to purchase at the time despite that the N64 already being out at the time due to its expense). I also remember Eek the Cat toys at Wendy's 101 Dalmation snow globes and Hunchback of Notre Dame toys from McDonalds from that year.

In 1997 I started mastering my Super Nintendo. I remember that many stores still sold games for the SNES  that year and Blockbuster still had them available for rental which I rented a Mario game that year(Super Mario RPG I believe it was) from blockbuster. Movies I saw that year in theaters were Scream(Yeah I don't know why my parents took me to see the movie with them), The Lost World Jurassic Park( my favorite movie of that year along with Men in Black), I remember watching the men in black music video with my mom and cousin(although I didn't see the movie at the time), I saw 101 Dalmations on tv a year after it was released, I remember seeing ads for Disney's Hercules on tv and I remember seeing the move "Wishmaster" late that year(or perhaps early 1998). 1997 still had a steong Mid 90s atmosphere to it more so than millennial. I always played the Crusin USA arcade model at my local Pizza Parlor in my neighborhood and my playground still had wooden see saws, I wanted the game Donkey Kong Country 3 at the time(my mom never got it for me until almost another two years, and I remember Star Fox 64 and Diddy Kong racing coming out that year on N64. The songs I remember were Biggie Smalls' "Hypnotize", Monica's "For you I will", Mase's Feel so good,  and Will Smith's Men in Black Theme(as mentioned earlier). My cousin got a PlayStation for his birthday that year with games like Independence Day and Street Fighter which we played together a lot, and I also saw some of the NBA Finals that year between the Bulls and the Jazz that year when my mom tuned into it.

Continued......



Love your overview, Gdowe1991, it was really fun to read.  Here's an overview of my own memories:

1994:
I literally remember nothing from this year except for the fact that my family moved out of our old duplex to a suburban house in northeastern San Diego.  My sister was born shortly thereafter, but I don't remember being at the hospital to witness it.

1995:
This was the first year with scenes that I can directly recall as they happened.  One of the very first moments I remember in my life was when I was standing on a street at the top of a hill right near our house, and somebody told me that I was "bigger than everyone."  I remember watching Barney & Friends a lot, my favorite character being Kathy, who cherished her teddy bear as I did mine.  I was frequently babysat by a Swiss woman who my parents knew (we met her again thirteen years later on a trip to Europe).  I specifically remember being friends with one person, who lived at the top of my culdesac, as well as a black kid who I haven't really been in contact with since that year.

The first full day I remember was my 3rd birthday on August 18, 1995.  I remember the party being attended by a lot of kids of people who my parents knew.  I spent most of the day on the play set in our backyard.  We ordered a delicious white cake with a clown on it.  I distinctly remember one of my presents being a toy fishing pole that came in a long package, similar to the one from Toy Story that terrifies everybody.

1996:
My memories continued to be scattered episodes during the first part of this year, but by the time I started preschool in the fall, I pretty much felt like my sense of memory had become fully consistent, though I still couldn't specifically recall when certain things occurred in my life.  I was still primarily into kiddie things like Barney, stuffed dolls, and Raffi tapes, but as I noted earlier in this thread, I distinctly remember The Hunchback of Notre Dame being brand new.

1997:
Not too much distinguished this year from late 1997 for me, especially since I went through another year of preschool in the same classroom as the previous school year.  That said, I may have been introduced to a few more kid's shows, and I'm pretty sure at some point near this time (though I can't remember the specific date), I got a Macintosh computer for my room, which I used constantly to play with educational tools like Math Blaster Jr. and Living Books games.  I'm pretty sure I played a few computer games in 1996 as well, but they were on the Windows in our house's bonus room, and I didn't get around to them nearly as much as my Macintosh programs.  This was the year I saw Hercules in theaters, and I fell in love with that movie to a degree I hadn't with Pocahontas or Hunchback (I also played the CD-ROM game religiously).

1998:
This year marks the point where my childhood fully came into its own, and thus also about the time I started being able to remember practically everything as if it happened yesterday, especially when I started my highly memorable kindergarten year in the fall.  Though I took longer to watch Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network than most, I did become immediately hooked on Nintendo during the summer of this year, expanding upon my geekiness that originated with my Macintosh.  For pretty much the entire second half of the year, I begged and begged my parents to buy me a Nintendo 64, which I never did receive until Christmas, although I was partially preoccupied by my dad's old NES (which I used to play Super Mario Bros. 1 and 2, Total Recall, and Sesame Street), as well as when we rented the Nintendo 64.  I didn't really remember hearing any music besides kiddie tapes until 1999, but I think I may have heard Madonna's Ray of Light on a few occasions this year.


I appreciate you guys for sharing your memories of your early childhoods. Here's mine.

1994
Nothing at all, except I became a Lakers fan so I was into NBA.

1995
Not much here, but I remember first playing the SNES by learning how to play with DKC and it blew me away. Additionally,  I started watching preschool shows shown on PBS and other networks.

1996
I began preschool this year. I can recall some songs such as California Love, No Diggity, and Let's Get Down. I moved into my second home with my family and was there for 2 years. I had received my first dog and unfortunately lost him a year later. I think this is when I began watching Nickelodeon and Nick Jr. seeing shows like Kenan & Kel, KaBlam, Hey Arnold etc. I may have went to Disneyland this year or maybe it was 1995.

1997
I start Pre-K at another school (which I go back to for 1st to 5th grade). I remember some more songs such as Hypnotize, Mo Money, Mo Problems, Got Til it's Gone and Barbie Girl. I was still hooked on Nickelodeon with new shows being Angry Beavers and Figure it out. Since my sister and I are Disney fans, I think we went to the theaters and saw Hercules or either on VHS. This also may be the year I got into football.

1998
Memories is much more clearly. I began Kindergarten with the Pokemon blowing up everywhere thanks to the anime. I began watching Cartoon Network and Kids WB and instantly became a fan with both although I still watched Nickelodeon as well. I recall more songs like Love Like This, Doo Wop (That Thing), Can I Get A... and Too Close. I got a N64 at the end of the year with Goldeneye or maybe it was early 1999. This is also the year I was familiar with Clinton thanks to the scandal and I moved to another area for several months before moving again the next year.

Well there's more I remember from my early childhood, but I think this is enough.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/09/15 at 7:01 am

I'm surprised how many of you guys heard rap/urban songs like California Love and Hypnotize before you turned 5.  I would think your parents were not into top 40 urban songs and would want you to listen to kid's music instead, anyway (or religious music, depending on your family).  I'm pretty sure I've heard stuff like Blues Traveler's Run-Around and R. Kelly's I Believe I Can Fly before kindergarten, but geez, how could you all have been so easily exposed to rap at such a young age?

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/09/15 at 9:50 am


I'm surprised how many of you guys heard rap/urban songs like California Love and Hypnotize before you turned 5.  I would think your parents were not into top 40 urban songs and would want you to listen to kid's music instead, anyway (or religious music, depending on your family).  I'm pretty sure I've heard stuff like Blues Traveler's Run-Around and R. Kelly's I Believe I Can Fly before kindergarten, but geez, how could you all have been so easily exposed to rap at such a young age?
Well for me, my parents were not afraid to play rap around my sister and I when we were younger. In fact, since my family had parties back then, they were able to play rap along with the other genres because despite gangsta rap being popular, it wasn't the only type of rap played throughout the 90s.

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Written By: #Infinity on 11/09/15 at 5:10 pm


Well for me, my parents were not afraid to play rap around my sister and I when we were younger. In fact, since my family had parties back then, they were able to play rap along with the other genres because despite gangsta rap being popular, it wasn't the only type of rap played throughout the 90s.


You were lucky to have just open-minded parents, since parents from that time were basically the exact type of people who vehemently campaigned against gangsta rap.  Both of my parents are proud liberals, but like Bill Clinton, that doesn't mean they felt totally comfortable with the more rebellious aspects of the youth culture.  My mom usually just listened to adult contemporary, while my dad would play music from his favorite 70s rock bands and singer/songwriters.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/10/15 at 10:49 am


You were lucky to have just open-minded parents, since parents from that time were basically the exact type of people who vehemently campaigned against gangsta rap.  Both of my parents are proud liberals, but like Bill Clinton, that doesn't mean they felt totally comfortable with the more rebellious aspects of the youth culture.  My mom usually just listened to adult contemporary, while my dad would play music from his favorite 70s rock bands and singer/songwriters.
Yeah, it's amazing. My parents are rap fans themselves, so I think that's why I was able to listen to gangsta rap at that time although they wanted make sure I wasn't the singing the bad stuff. However, rap wasn't the only genre my family were into. We listened to Adult Contemporary, R&B, and Dance music during the decade as well. 

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Written By: Howard on 11/10/15 at 2:56 pm


Yeah, it's amazing. My parents are rap fans themselves, so I think that's why I was able to listen to gangsta rap at that time although they wanted make sure I wasn't the singing the bad stuff. However, rap wasn't the only genre my family were into. We listened to Adult Contemporary, R&B, and Dance music during the decade as well.


My Parents are doo-wop and Rock And Roll fans with just a bit of R&B.

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Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/10/15 at 3:04 pm

Speaking of parents freaking out over youth genres, when my brother got into grunge in 1991 my mother freaked out and thought he was gonna get into heroin. Luckily, the worst thing he did was sneak some pot into the house every once in a while. She got so used to it (the grunge stuff, not the pot) that by time I was in high school and got into Punk Rock, it didn't even phase her. My dad, on the other hand, thinks everything is hilarious so stuff like Grunge or Rap was just a big joke to him. He was a hippie, anyway...

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Mitch Kramer on 11/11/15 at 6:24 am

The basic idea is that each cohort had certain shared experiences during their formative years that shaped their worldview, or something like that.

I've long been skeptical of this idea for various reasons, especially with the notion that these defining shared experiences are pop cultural.  It might work for the Baby Boom generation, but I'm skeptical with that notion as applied to later generations.  I think the reality is much more complex than this.  In any case, I think the general trend in recent decades has been that pop culture has become much more balkanized.

I also think that the impact of things like ethnicity, class, geographical differences, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. can be just as important as the time period you were born in.

That having been said, I think it basically works something like this (this is U.S-centric, of course):

G.I. Generation (Brokaw's "Greatest" generation): Great Depression and World War II are some of the formative experiences

Silent Generation: Korean War, McCarthyism, early Civil Rights movement, Cold War, early black and white TV, Sputnik, nuclear tests

Baby Boom Generation: Sputnik, Vietnam War, Civil Rights movement peak, women's liberation, counterculture, cultural divide, assassinations, Woodstock, Cold War peak, nuclear tests, duck and cover, Watergate, Oil Embargo, stagflation, color TV, space program, Moon landings, early environmental movement

Generation X: end of Moon landings, Watergate, Oil Embargo, stagflation, Cold War, Cold War end, loss of manufacturing base, budget deficit, PC (computer), PC (early political correctness), MTV and cable TV, cultural divide, AIDS, early gay rights movement, war on drugs, Reagan budget cuts, latchkey kids

Millennial Generation: budget cuts, cultural divide, AIDS, war on drugs, rise of religious right, Cold War end early internet, political correctness, technology bubble and burst, 9/11, Iraq War, Afghan War, helicopter parenting, cheap oil & SUVs, spiraling college costs

Generation Z: budget cuts, cultural divide, 9/11, Iraq War, Afghan War, oil price spike & hybrid cars or alternatives to cars, renewed environmental concerns, housing bubble and burst, financial crisis & Great Recession, Web 2.0, smartphones, gay rights movement peak/same-sex marriage, marijuana legalization push, helicopter parenting, second phase of political correctness, rise of surveillance state, spiraling college costs

You notice there's some overlap here, and there are some things which could apply to earlier or later generations.  You'll also notice that I've mostly steered clear of pop culture phenomenal.  Not everything will apply to everybody in each generation.  This is just a sort of general list.

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Written By: aja675 on 11/15/15 at 7:42 am


Love your overview, Gdowe1991, it was really fun to read.  Here's an overview of my own memories:

1994:
I literally remember nothing from this year except for the fact that my family moved out of our old duplex to a suburban house in northeastern San Diego.  My sister was born shortly thereafter, but I don't remember being at the hospital to witness it.

1995:
This was the first year with scenes that I can directly recall as they happened.  One of the very first moments I remember in my life was when I was standing on a street at the top of a hill right near our house, and somebody told me that I was "bigger than everyone."  I remember watching Barney & Friends a lot, my favorite character being Kathy, who cherished her teddy bear as I did mine.  I was frequently babysat by a Swiss woman who my parents knew (we met her again thirteen years later on a trip to Europe).  I specifically remember being friends with one person, who lived at the top of my culdesac, as well as a black kid who I haven't really been in contact with since that year.

The first full day I remember was my 3rd birthday on August 18, 1995.  I remember the party being attended by a lot of kids of people who my parents knew.  I spent most of the day on the play set in our backyard.  We ordered a delicious white cake with a clown on it.  I distinctly remember one of my presents being a toy fishing pole that came in a long package, similar to the one from Toy Story that terrifies everybody.

1996:
My memories continued to be scattered episodes during the first part of this year, but by the time I started preschool in the fall, I pretty much felt like my sense of memory had become fully consistent, though I still couldn't specifically recall when certain things occurred in my life.  I was still primarily into kiddie things like Barney, stuffed dolls, and Raffi tapes, but as I noted earlier in this thread, I distinctly remember The Hunchback of Notre Dame being brand new.

1997:
Not too much distinguished this year from late 1997 for me, especially since I went through another year of preschool in the same classroom as the previous school year.  That said, I may have been introduced to a few more kid's shows, and I'm pretty sure at some point near this time (though I can't remember the specific date), I got a Macintosh computer for my room, which I used constantly to play with educational tools like Math Blaster Jr. and Living Books games.  I'm pretty sure I played a few computer games in 1996 as well, but they were on the Windows in our house's bonus room, and I didn't get around to them nearly as much as my Macintosh programs.  This was the year I saw Hercules in theaters, and I fell in love with that movie to a degree I hadn't with Pocahontas or Hunchback (I also played the CD-ROM game religiously).

1998:
This year marks the point where my childhood fully came into its own, and thus also about the time I started being able to remember practically everything as if it happened yesterday, especially when I started my highly memorable kindergarten year in the fall.  Though I took longer to watch Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network than most, I did become immediately hooked on Nintendo during the summer of this year, expanding upon my geekiness that originated with my Macintosh.  For pretty much the entire second half of the year, I begged and begged my parents to buy me a Nintendo 64, which I never did receive until Christmas, although I was partially preoccupied by my dad's old NES (which I used to play Super Mario Bros. 1 and 2, Total Recall, and Sesame Street), as well as when we rented the Nintendo 64.  I didn't really remember hearing any music besides kiddie tapes until 1999, but I think I may have heard Madonna's Ray of Light on a few occasions this year.

My memories:

1997- As far as I know, I only have two memories from this year.
1998- It was first year I remember with some substance. This was the year we moved into my childhood home we lived in until 2010, but I don't remember when that happened. I remember watching Toy Story during this year. My mom tells me I was so obsessed with that film that it rubbed off on her to the point that she memorized every line. (She has forgotten most of those lines, though.) My mind retained that I used to watch that movie on VHS, but I did not retain that I was so obsessed with it. Also, I remember some songs I heard during this year.
1999- This was the first year where when I watch the "Remember Insert Year Here'' video of a certain year, I remember a lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_1999 I remember quite some of these songs. I also remember my birthday during this year and how I got an inflatable pool as a gift.
2000: I remember United Nations Day during this year. I remember how I was made to dress up as an Indonesian. I also remember watching the karaoke channel of our cable provider. I also remember listening to Steps and M2M.
2001: This was the year my memories crystallized. I actually remember some of the names of my classmates, whereas I don't remember any names of my classmates I had from 1999 or 2000. I remember eating Oishi Potato Fries: https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=oishi+potato+fries&oq=oishi+potato+fries&aqs=chrome..69i57.4426j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8. I also remember drinking Slurpees at 7/11 with my grandmother.

Could you guess what generation I am part of or what year I was born? If you know me from another forum I'm in, don't say either.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/15/15 at 9:02 am

^^^^ What year were you born?

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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/15/15 at 11:06 am


I appreciate you guys for sharing your memories of your early childhoods. Here's mine.

1994
Nothing at all, except I became a Lakers fan so I was into NBA.

1995
Not much here, but I remember first playing the SNES by learning how to play with DKC and it blew me away. Additionally,  I started watching preschool shows shown on PBS and other networks.

1996
I began preschool this year. I can recall some songs such as California Love, No Diggity, and Let's Get Down. I moved into my second home with my family and was there for 2 years. I had received my first dog and unfortunately lost him a year later. I think this is when I began watching Nickelodeon and Nick Jr. seeing shows like Kenan & Kel, KaBlam, Hey Arnold etc. I may have went to Disneyland this year or maybe it was 1995.

1997
I start Pre-K at another school (which I go back to for 1st to 5th grade). I remember some more songs such as Hypnotize, Mo Money, Mo Problems, Got Til it's Gone and Barbie Girl. I was still hooked on Nickelodeon with new shows being Angry Beavers and Figure it out. Since my sister and I are Disney fans, I think we went to the theaters and saw Hercules or either on VHS. This also may be the year I got into football.

1998
Memories is much more clearly. I began Kindergarten with the Pokemon blowing up everywhere thanks to the anime. I began watching Cartoon Network and Kids WB and instantly became a fan with both although I still watched Nickelodeon as well. I recall more songs like Love Like This, Doo Wop (That Thing), Can I Get A... and Too Close. I got a N64 at the end of the year with Goldeneye or maybe it was early 1999. This is also the year I was familiar with Clinton thanks to the scandal and I moved to another area for several months before moving again the next year.

Well there's more I remember from my early childhood, but I think this is enough.


It seems like most kid's memories follow a fairly similar path in terms of when they start to become clear, because that's about what mine are like:

1988
No memories at all.

1989
I do have a few vague memories of the latter half of the year. Nothing at all concrete, just toddler stuff like playing with my parents or older cousins. I also just barely remember when it snowed lightly at our house the day after Christmas '89.

1990
This is the first year that I have clear memories of events that I can place. I remember being at my cousin's 3rd birthday party that August and nearly drowning in the pool, and I also have a very vivid memory of an incident just after I turned 3 where I was nearly bitten by a rattlesnake. I guess you could say 1990 was a fairly traumatic year for me. ;D

1991
This was when my memories started becoming much clearer. I can remember my my younger brother being born that May, us moving into our new house around that same time, going to the theater for the first time to watch TMNT II: Secret of the Ooze, playing Super Mario Bros. 3 at my cousin's house, and starting Pre-School in the fall. 1991 was also the first year that I can clearly remember waking up on Christmas morning to open my presents.

1992
I would say that this is when my memories begin to have that "like yesterday" feel to them. I vividly remember getting up early on Saturday mornings to watch cartoons like TMNT and Garfield, being excited when a Movie Gallery opened up in our town so I could rent movies to watch on VHS without having to beg my parents to buy them, starting Kindergarten late that August, rushing home from school everyday to watch the FOX 54 Kids Club, and my parents finally getting me a Super Nintendo for Christmas complete with two of my all-time favorite games, Super Mario World and Tecmo Super Bowl.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: violet_shy on 11/15/15 at 12:53 pm

I'm not into this topic much, but I thought anyone born in 1982 and after are called "Millenials". That's what I read somewhere forgot where exactly.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/15/15 at 1:11 pm


I'm not into this topic much, but I thought anyone born in 1982 and after are called "Millenials". That's what I read somewhere forgot where exactly.

Yup that's correct. Since you're 35 you're at the tail end of X.

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Written By: Howard on 11/15/15 at 2:48 pm


Yup that's correct. Since you're 35 you're at the tail end of X.


I going to be 42, Where does that put me? ???

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Written By: musicguy93 on 11/15/15 at 3:10 pm


I going to be 42, Where does that put me? ???


X

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/15/15 at 4:09 pm


I going to be 42, Where does that put me? ???

You're probably pure X!

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Written By: violet_shy on 11/15/15 at 4:52 pm

Can someone explain why Generation X is called "X". And not some elaborate name like the happy bunch of people or something. Why X?

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/15/15 at 5:36 pm


Can someone explain why Generation X is called "X". And not some elaborate name like the happy bunch of people or something. Why X?


One of the main reasons was because they grew up during a time of uncertainty, economic recessions, and in (many cases but not all) divorced houses which forced them to become latch key kids during the 70's & 80's. When they started to come of age in the mid-late 1980's and especially the 1990's they fueled that anger and resentment in music trends like Grunge and Gangsta Rap and other in industries like the coffee sensation we know today as Starbucks or the dominant Internet search engine Google.

There hands down the most interesting generation of today, if you ask me that is

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Written By: musicguy93 on 11/15/15 at 7:54 pm


One of the main reasons was because they grew up during a time of uncertainty, economic recessions, and in (many cases but not all) divorced houses which forced them to become latch key kids during the 70's & 80's. When they started to come of age in the mid-late 1980's and especially the 1990's they fueled that anger and resentment in music trends like Grunge and Gangsta Rap and other in industries like the coffee sensation we know today as Starbucks or the dominant Internet search engine Google.

There hands down the most interesting generation of today, if you ask me that is


I agree completely.

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Written By: #Infinity on 11/16/15 at 3:19 am

Coming to think about it, there were a lot more songs than just Ray of Light that I heard prior to kindergarten.  In particular, I definitely remember hearing Wannabe on the radio all the time in 1997; I even distinctly recall other kids who went to the now-closed community gymnasium with me talking all about the Spice Girls that year.  The Spice Girls were probably the very first band that I ever knew about, even though if I'm honest, I didn't even connect them to the song Wannabe until months later, when I asked somebody who they were.  I just remember the group's name popping up everywhere, as well as strange comments from my peers like "'s a Spice Girl."

As I stated before, I'm pretty sure I also heard Run-Around by Blues Traveler when I was really young, though not in 1995, when it was a chart hit.  That dexterous harmonica solo was very easy for me to identify, even at such a young age.  Additionally, I'm confident I heard R. Kelly's I Believe I Can Fly around 1997 - a title like that just sounds intriguing to a really young mind like mine was at the time.  It's even possible I heard No Diggity at a young age, since the line "I like the way you work it" was vaguely familiar to me while I was growing up; since my parents didn't listen to urban stations at all, it may have been in a shopping mall or something.  So in general, though I don't remember a whole lot of pop songs prior to my sister's obsession with Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys, they definitely showed up at certain points in my early childhood regardless.

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Written By: Howard on 11/16/15 at 2:54 pm


You're probably pure X!




What about the people born before X?

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/16/15 at 3:21 pm




What about the people born before X?


Well that would be the Baby Boomers, born circa 1946-1964

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Written By: aja675 on 11/17/15 at 8:28 am


^^^^ What year were you born?

I was born in 1996 as well.

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Written By: mqg96 on 11/17/15 at 9:51 am


I was born in 1996 as well.


Ok, we can relate when it comes to how well memories crystallize. To this day I can still remember over half of my Kindergarten (2001-2002) roster by heart which was in a public school, unlike pre-K (2000-2001), which was in an old private Christian school, whereas I don't remember anybody who was in there for some reason. I remember back in Kindergarten (2001-2002) learning a lot of stuff and discovering a lot of the pop culture for kids, making friends, learning how to write your name & date on paper, going to P.E., art, music, playing on a large playground, etc. However in pre-K didn't do all of that but just basic stuff, I probably didn't even realize it was 2000-2001 school year at the time, even though I still knew what year it was due to going through stores and seeing poster signs and all that.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/17/15 at 12:00 pm


Ok, we can relate when it comes to how well memories crystallize. To this day I can still remember over half of my Kindergarten (2001-2002) roster by heart which was in a public school, unlike pre-K (2000-2001), which was in an old private Christian school, whereas I don't remember anybody who was in there for some reason. I remember back in Kindergarten (2001-2002) learning a lot of stuff and discovering a lot of the pop culture for kids, making friends, learning how to write your name & date on paper, going to P.E., art, music, playing on a large playground, etc. However in pre-K didn't do all of that but just basic stuff, I probably didn't even realize it was 2000-2001 school year at the time, even though I still knew what year it was due to going through stores and seeing poster signs and all that.

I'm sooo glad you mentioned the 2000-01 school year. It's interesting being from Missouri, and being 5 years old during the school year. It felt weird because I STILL recall to this day getting up for pre K in the morning watching Recess, Tarzan, Sabrina the Animated Series, Mister Rogers and Arthur in the morning where I lived.

Since I went to private school where it was preschool-8th grade, there were two playgrounds one in the front of the school where 1st-8th grade would play and a back one where pre K and kindergarten play, in Pre K we would play outside in the playground in the back of the school, were read stories to, art class, play with play doe, learned how to write my name and date, and lego blocks, even SOME math too; We would learn but never have ANY homework though :D . Kindergarten I still had classes where the preschool and pre Kers were, lunch with 1st and 2nd grade, book buddies, going to chapel regularly. But I didn't have PE, play outside in the main playground until 1st grade. It was WEIRD! :o  That's probably why that jump from 2000-01 to 2001-02 wasn't that big of a change for me, due to me being my age at the time and how the school was structured, it was a completely different experience from any other kid. I wonder how it would have been if I didn't live in Missouri.

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Written By: aja675 on 11/18/15 at 4:13 am


Coming to think about it, there were a lot more songs than just Ray of Light that I heard prior to kindergarten.  In particular, I definitely remember hearing Wannabe on the radio all the time in 1997; I even distinctly recall other kids who went to the now-closed community gymnasium with me talking all about the Spice Girls that year.  The Spice Girls were probably the very first band that I ever knew about, even though if I'm honest, I didn't even connect them to the song Wannabe until months later, when I asked somebody who they were.  I just remember the group's name popping up everywhere, as well as strange comments from my peers like "'s a Spice Girl."


In a similar vein, even though my second earliest memory and first musical memory was hearing Mama by the Spice Girls at a birthday party when I was 1, I only realized who the Spice Girls were when Let Love Lead the Way was released.

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/18/15 at 6:10 am


In a similar vein, even though my second earliest memory and first musical memory was hearing Mama by the Spice Girls at a birthday party when I was 1, I only realized who the Spice Girls were when Let Love Lead the Way was released.


My first was Cher's Believe in 1999

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Written By: violet_shy on 11/18/15 at 4:57 pm


One of the main reasons was because they grew up during a time of uncertainty, economic recessions, and in (many cases but not all) divorced houses which forced them to become latch key kids during the 70's & 80's. When they started to come of age in the mid-late 1980's and especially the 1990's they fueled that anger and resentment in music trends like Grunge and Gangsta Rap and other in industries like the coffee sensation we know today as Starbucks or the dominant Internet search engine Google.

There hands down the most interesting generation of today, if you ask me that is


Oh, ok :o  that's interesting...and sad!

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Written By: muppethammer26 on 11/19/15 at 3:01 pm

Just a few more years from now:

In 2018, the first Gen Zers (born in 2000) will graduate from high school and go to college/university and in 2020, they will be able to vote in the 2020 Election (along with people born in 1999 (still part of Y) and 2001-2002) and in 2021, they will be able to drink alcohol and gamble at the casinos. By that time, they will also be the first people born in the 21st century and the 3rd millennium to do all of those things and Gen Zers will influence 2020's popular culture.

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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/20/15 at 10:23 am


Just a few more years from now:

In 2018, the first Gen Zers (born in 2000) will graduate from high school and go to college/university and in 2020, they will be able to vote in the 2020 Election (along with people born in 1999 (still part of Y) and 2001-2002) and in 2021, they will be able to drink alcohol and gamble at the casinos. By that time, they will also be the first people born in the 21st century and the 3rd millennium to do all of those things and Gen Zers will influence 2020's popular culture.


And probably by the early 2020's you will also be seeing people in the media beginning to discuss the generation that comes after Gen Z, whatever they will be called.

That's going to be interesting because, as of yet, there hasn't really been much discussion about when Generation Z actually ends, nor when it "peaks" for that matter. If the 2020's are to be the ultimate "Z decade" (like the '00s were for Millennials) does that mean that kids born from 2007-2011 will be seen as "Peak Z"? And could 2014-2017 be seen as a cusp between Zers and the next generation like 1994-1997 is usually cited for Y and Z?

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Written By: #Infinity on 11/20/15 at 11:53 am


And probably by the early 2020's you will also be seeing people in the media beginning to discuss the generation that comes after Gen Z, whatever they will be called.

That's going to be interesting because, as of yet, there hasn't really been much discussion about when Generation Z actually ends, nor when it "peaks" for that matter. If the 2020's are to be the ultimate "Z decade" (like the '00s were for Millennials) does that mean that kids born from 2007-2011 will be seen as "Peak Z"? And could 2014-2017 be seen as a cusp between Zers and the next generation like 1994-1997 is usually cited for Y and Z?


I would set the end of Generation Z before 2014-2017 because generations usually seem to last only between 15 and 20 years, certainly not 20 on average.  It's definitely too early to tell when the exact beginning of the next generation is, but I would personally mark 2013 as the end of Z and beginning of post-Z, in which case the latter generation is already being born now, some not even that far from their childhoods.

In general, I predict that some of the things that will distinguish the coming generation from Z is that they will basically see homophobia the same way Y views racism (existent, but overwhelmingly frowned upon), will have pretty much no memory of living room entertainment, Nintendo will not have been nearly as significant to their childhoods as it was for Y and Z, rock in general will be seen as "old people's" music, a great chunk of their core education will be conducted in cyberspace, and multitasking will not just be easy for them, but completely normal (since they will have grown up in a world flooded with social media from a very early age rather than seen it sprout up as they grew older).

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Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/20/15 at 1:28 pm


I would set the end of Generation Z before 2014-2017 because generations usually seem to last only between 15 and 20 years, certainly not 20 on average.  It's definitely too early to tell when the exact beginning of the next generation is, but I would personally mark 2013 as the end of Z and beginning of post-Z, in which case the latter generation is already being born now, some not even that far from their childhoods.

In general, I predict that some of the things that will distinguish the coming generation from Z is that they will basically see homophobia the same way Y views racism (existent, but overwhelmingly frowned upon), will have pretty much no memory of living room entertainment, Nintendo will not have been nearly as significant to their childhoods as it was for Y and Z, rock in general will be seen as "old people's" music, a great chunk of their core education will be conducted in cyberspace, and multitasking will not just be easy for them, but completely normal (since they will have grown up in a world flooded with social media from a very early age rather than seen it sprout up as they grew older).


Great points. If you believe that the generation after Z started being born in 2013, then even the oldest members of the generation would only have been toddlers when gay marriage was legalized, making that a completely dead issue as far as they are concerned. Image how old and outdated 2004 (when George W. Bush won re-election, at least in part, by campaigning on an anti-gay rights platform) is going to seem to a teenager in 2030! It'll be like people our age looking back on 1964, when people were actually still debating whether or not segregation should be legal.

I agree on the other points as well. I think it's entirely plausible that the Wii may wind up just being a blip in the overall trend of decline Nintendo has been experiencing in the console market since the late '90s. The name Nintendo will likely not be nearly as synonymous with video games for future generations as it has been for kids that grew up in the '80s and '90s. As far as Rock music goes, I think it's in real danger of winding up in the same place as Swing was by the '70s; a once huge genre that may still have a following among older people, but has very little mainstream impact. Unless another Nirvana comes along and revives Rock as a true cultural force, then the generation after Z probably will see it as "old folks" music.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/22/15 at 12:25 am


Great points. If you believe that the generation after Z started being born in 2013, then even the oldest members of the generation would only have been toddlers when gay marriage was legalized, making that a completely dead issue as far as they are concerned. Image how old and outdated 2004 (when George W. Bush won re-election, at least in part, by campaigning on an anti-gay rights platform) is going to seem to a teenager in 2030! It'll be like people our age looking back on 1964, when people were actually still debating whether or not segregation should be legal.

I agree on the other points as well. I think it's entirely plausible that the Wii may wind up just being a blip in the overall trend of decline Nintendo has been experiencing in the console market since the late '90s. The name Nintendo will likely not be nearly as synonymous with video games for future generations as it has been for kids that grew up in the '80s and '90s. As far as Rock music goes, I think it's in real danger of winding up in the same place as Swing was by the '70s; a once huge genre that may still have a following among older people, but has very little mainstream impact. Unless another Nirvana comes along and revives Rock as a true cultural force, then the generation after Z probably will see it as "old folks" music.


I disagree with the idea that rock will be seen as "old folks" music. Rock is just in a state of dormancy at the moment. That doesn't mean it can't make a comeback in the 2020s. You can't make predictions off of current trends, because anything can happen in the future. Same with Nintendo. All they need are great ideas to get things going, and become big again. It's a fallacy to believe things like Nintendo and rock are "doomed" simply because they aren't doing too well in the 2010s. The 2010s is not the decade that will determine the future. It's just another decade where trends are away from certain things. Just because something like mobile gaming is popular at the moment, does not mean it's the "future". I personally, have a huge problem with this mode of thinking.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/22/15 at 12:28 am


I would set the end of Generation Z before 2014-2017 because generations usually seem to last only between 15 and 20 years, certainly not 20 on average.  It's definitely too early to tell when the exact beginning of the next generation is, but I would personally mark 2013 as the end of Z and beginning of post-Z, in which case the latter generation is already being born now, some not even that far from their childhoods.

In general, I predict that some of the things that will distinguish the coming generation from Z is that they will basically see homophobia the same way Y views racism (existent, but overwhelmingly frowned upon), will have pretty much no memory of living room entertainment, Nintendo will not have been nearly as significant to their childhoods as it was for Y and Z, rock in general will be seen as "old people's" music, a great chunk of their core education will be conducted in cyberspace, and multitasking will not just be easy for them, but completely normal (since they will have grown up in a world flooded with social media from a very early age rather than seen it sprout up as they grew older).


Just because living room entertainment and Nintendo are taking a backseat in the 2010s, does not mean that they are dying. Same with rock. The current state of things is not always a good indication of the future.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/22/15 at 6:29 am


I disagree with the idea that rock will be seen as "old folks" music. Rock is just in a state of dormancy at the moment. That doesn't mean it can't make a comeback in the 2020s. You can't make predictions off of current trends, because anything can happen in the future. Same with Nintendo. All they need are great ideas to get things going, and become big again. It's a fallacy to believe things like Nintendo and rock are "doomed" simply because they aren't doing too well in the 2010s. The 2010s is not the decade that will determine the future. It's just another decade where trends are away from certain things. Just because something like mobile gaming is popular at the moment, does not mean it's the "future". I personally, have a huge problem with this mode of thinking.


Nintendo is no longer a major player in the home console market, to the point that most eighth generation battles focus only on the PS4 and XBOX One.  Satoru Iwata passing away is a big deal because he was what made the company tenacious about their home consoles.  Mobile games are the standard outlet for casual gamers, aka Nintendo's core audience.  With so much software available on mobile devices and tablets, full-on home systems like the Wii U now look grossly overpriced to families wanting to provide their children a reasonable amount of entertainment.  In the same way Sega lost its core audience and developers to Sony in the mid-90s, Nintendo has lost its hold on the family market to mobile/tablet developers.  In the long run, with the way technology has evolved, it would not make sense for Nintendo to seriously continue as they have been.

Nintendo may reclaim their title of greatness in the gaming world, but only as software developers, at least with the way things are going now.  They will no longer play a central role in traditional video game systems that they did to those born into Generation Y and Z.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/22/15 at 7:09 am


Nintendo is no longer a major player in the home console market, to the point that most eighth generation battles focus only on the PS4 and XBOX One.  Satoru Iwata passing away is a big deal because he was what made the company tenacious about their home consoles.  Mobile games are the standard outlet for casual gamers, aka Nintendo's core audience.  With so much software available on mobile devices and tablets, full-on home systems like the Wii U now look grossly overpriced to families wanting to provide their children a reasonable amount of entertainment.  In the same way Sega lost its core audience and developers to Sony in the mid-90s, Nintendo has lost its hold on the family market to mobile/tablet developers.  In the long run, with the way technology has evolved, it would not make sense for Nintendo to seriously continue as they have been.

Nintendo may reclaim their title of greatness in the gaming world, but only as software developers, at least with the way things are going now.  They will no longer play a central role in traditional video game systems that they did to those born into Generation Y and Z.


Well, that remains to be seen. I just don't see mobile gaming overtaking console gaming. You shouldn't say "no longer", because that implies they never will never make a comeback in the home console market. Current does not necessarily equate to future.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 11/24/15 at 12:16 am


I disagree with the idea that rock will be seen as "old folks" music. Rock is just in a state of dormancy at the moment. That doesn't mean it can't make a comeback in the 2020s. You can't make predictions off of current trends, because anything can happen in the future. Same with Nintendo. All they need are great ideas to get things going, and become big again. It's a fallacy to believe things like Nintendo and rock are "doomed" simply because they aren't doing too well in the 2010s. The 2010s is not the decade that will determine the future. It's just another decade where trends are away from certain things. Just because something like mobile gaming is popular at the moment, does not mean it's the "future". I personally, have a huge problem with this mode of thinking.


Well, I certainly hope you prove to be right. Rock has always been, and will continue to be, my favorite genre of music, but I am beginning to become legitimately concerned about it's future. Frankly, this is a problem that goes quite a bit further back than just the start of this decade.  I mean, when was the last time that a Rock song was truly ubiquitous culturally? Do you have to go all the way back to "Seven Nation Army" in 2003-04? If you walked up to an average 15-year-old and asked them to name five Billboard #1 hits Rock since 2010 could they do it?  In fact, could the average "person on the street" of any age name any Rock group popular in the last five years other than Nickleback? Because I know I can't.

But, thankfully, Rock as a genre can survive. I said as much in my post. But, in order for it to even come close to reattaining the cultural relevancy that it once had, it's going to take another band blowing up to the same extent that Nirvana did in the early '90s. Otherwise, the generation after Z will have gone through their entire childhood and adolescence without being able to remember a time when Rock music actually "mattered" to anybody that doesn't read Pitchfork.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/27/15 at 2:29 am


Well, I certainly hope you prove to be right. Rock has always been, and will continue to be, my favorite genre of music, but I am beginning to become legitimately concerned about it's future. Frankly, this is a problem that goes quite a bit further back than just the start of this decade.  I mean, when was the last time that a Rock song was truly ubiquitous culturally? Do you have to go all the way back to "Seven Nation Army" in 2003-04? If you walked up to an average 15-year-old and asked them to name five Billboard #1 hits Rock since 2010 could they do it?  In fact, could the average "person on the street" of any age name any Rock group popular in the last five years other than Nickleback? Because I know I can't.

But, thankfully, Rock as a genre can survive. I said as much in my post. But, in order for it to even come close to reattaining the cultural relevancy that it once had, it's going to take another band blowing up to the same extent that Nirvana did in the early '90s. Otherwise, the generation after Z will have gone through their entire childhood and adolescence without being able to remember a time when Rock music actually "mattered" to anybody that doesn't read Pitchfork.


My main point was that you can't make predictions of the future based on current trends and tastes. It doesn't really work that way. I'm not saying there's any right answer, but the odds do seem 50/50 for rock becoming relevant again in the future. I know you may think the odds are against rock coming back, but the problem with that assumption is that the current musical trends will eventually become dated. Just because the current musical tastes don't include rock, does not mean the future is set in stone. To put it short, current =/= future.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/27/15 at 12:46 pm


My main point was that you can't make predictions of the future based on current trends and tastes. It doesn't really work that way. I'm not saying there's any right answer, but the odds do seem 50/50 for rock becoming relevant again in the future. I know you may think the odds are against rock coming back, but the problem with that assumption is that the current musical trends will eventually become dated. Just because the current musical tastes don't include rock, does not mean the future is set in stone. To put it short, current =/= future.


Even if there was another Nirvana come the perfect vision decade, they're probably be of some electronic, indie-centric brand and not straight up guitar rock.  Grunge was influenced by a bunch of underground rock movements from the 80s, so a similar musical takeover in the 2020s would probably be influenced by indie music from the mid and late 2010s.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/28/15 at 1:06 pm


Even if there was another Nirvana come the perfect vision decade, they're probably be of some electronic, indie-centric brand and not straight up guitar rock.  Grunge was influenced by a bunch of underground rock movements from the 80s, so a similar musical takeover in the 2020s would probably be influenced by indie music from the mid and late 2010s.


You're still making predictions based on current trends. There's more to the underground movements of the 2010s than just indie/electronic. There's Metal, Alternative, Punk, etc. Bands like Deafheaven and Nails. There's also groups with a rockier sound like JAWS. But the whole indie/hipster sound is already mainstream. I don't see how it could get anymore popular in the 2020s. If anything I think there will be some sort of backlash against that sound. But at this point, I guess it's all down to speculation.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: af2010 on 11/28/15 at 9:30 pm

There's no science behind generations; they're social constructs. It's an interesting idea, but you can't draw hard lines and say "anyone born before/after this year is Generation ___." There's just not enough concrete evidence to say that.

Everyone is going to have a different experience. The larger the age gap, the more different it becomes. It's a gradual change. And that's not even taking into account region, culture, socioeconomic factors, etc., which together probably play a bigger role in defining someone than birth year.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: muppethammer26 on 11/29/15 at 9:48 am


There's no science behind generations; they're social constructs. It's an interesting idea, but you can't draw hard lines and say "anyone born before/after this year is Generation ___." There's just not enough concrete evidence to say that.

Everyone is going to have a different experience. The larger the age gap, the more different it becomes. It's a gradual change. And that's not even taking into account region, culture, socioeconomic factors, etc., which together probably play a bigger role in defining someone than birth year.


For example, I heard a few people like to extend Gen Z to include anything before 2000, when Gen Z should be an early 21st century generation. I also heard a few people who uses 9/11 as a factor in if people remember that day, they are part of Y, otherwise they are part of Z. For me, this single day has nothing to do with the generations. Even people call the two generations after Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z, instead of finding a good name for them. What's next after Z, Generation AA? If we ever keep saying Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z, then we should rename the generations before X (Lost becomes T, Greatest becomes U, Silent becomes V and Boomers becomes W).

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/29/15 at 10:52 am


For example, I heard a few people like to extend Gen Z to include anything before 2000, when Gen Z should be an early 21st century generation. I also heard a few people who uses 9/11 as a factor in if people remember that day, they are part of Y, otherwise they are part of Z. For me, this single day has nothing to do with the generations. Even people call the two generations after Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z, instead of finding a good name for them. What's next after Z, Generation AA? If we ever keep saying Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z, then we should rename the generations before X (Lost becomes T, Greatest becomes U, Silent becomes V and Boomers becomes W).
That generation should start at 2001 as they dont remember an analog world and that they have entered a world where there are more acceptances towards minority groups.

There are actually alternative names for the X, Y and Z generations.

X: Baby Busters, 13th Generation, MTV Generation, Digital Immigrants and Latchkey

Y: Millennials, Echo Boomers, Why, Baby Boomlets and Digital Pioneers

Z: Plurals, Homeland, Digital Natives, New Silent Generation and iGeneration.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: KatanaChick on 11/30/15 at 8:06 am


For example, I heard a few people like to extend Gen Z to include anything before 2000, when Gen Z should be an early 21st century generation. I also heard a few people who uses 9/11 as a factor in if people remember that day, they are part of Y, otherwise they are part of Z. For me, this single day has nothing to do with the generations. Even people call the two generations after Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z, instead of finding a good name for them. What's next after Z, Generation AA? If we ever keep saying Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z, then we should rename the generations before X (Lost becomes T, Greatest becomes U, Silent becomes V and Boomers becomes W).

X had a reason for the name, but after that it's redundant. Millenial, Boomer, Greatest Generation names make sense. Millenial because they came of age in the new millenium, Baby Boomers were the baby boom during the 1940's and after the war, and Greatest Generation fought in WWII.


That generation should start at 2001 as they dont remember an analog world and that they have entered a world where there are more acceptances towards minority groups.

There are actually alternative names for the X, Y and Z generations.

X: Baby Busters, 13th Generation, MTV Generation, Digital Immigrants and Latchkey

Y: Millennials, Echo Boomers, Why, Baby Boomlets and Digital Pioneers

Z: Plurals, Homeland, Digital Natives, New Silent Generation and iGeneration.

Why are Generation Z called the New Silent Generation?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: KatanaChick on 11/30/15 at 8:10 am


There's no science behind generations; they're social constructs. It's an interesting idea, but you can't draw hard lines and say "anyone born before/after this year is Generation ___." There's just not enough concrete evidence to say that.

Everyone is going to have a different experience. The larger the age gap, the more different it becomes. It's a gradual change. And that's not even taking into account region, culture, socioeconomic factors, etc., which together probably play a bigger role in defining someone than birth year.

To a point they're social constructs, but there is always a difference between how one cohort of people lived in their coming of age days vs those born after them. People on the cusp can culturally be of one group, but by name be part of the other.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/30/15 at 9:11 am


Why are Generation Z called the New Silent Generation?
I read about the reason why and it's because they have ideals and characteristics of the Original Silent Generation.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 12/03/15 at 11:58 pm


I read about the reason why and it's because they have ideals and characteristics of the Original Silent Generation.


For example?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/07/15 at 3:01 pm


For example?


http://www.ibtimes.com/generation-z-going-silent-213590

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/meet-generation-z/4/

http://nrn.com/blog/beyond-millennials-what-expect-next-generation

http://www.slantnews.com/story/2015-09-21-get-to-know-the-abcs-of-generation-z

http://www.generationaledge.com/blog/genz-like-grandparents

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: 2001 on 12/07/15 at 5:31 pm

I think events in adulthood are way more important in defining generations than events in childhood.

For Boomers, that would be the Vietnam draft, Watergate, and also the election of Raegan. They entered the job market during the '70s and '80s where pension plans were out and 401ks were in, then they lost their retirement savings during the Great Recession. They're also the "Sandwich Generation": taking care of their aging parents while also taking care of their kids at the same time. Most people place Boomers as born between 1946 - 1964, though some like to group early 60s babies with Gen X.

Gen Xers were the first generation to be worse off compared to the generation before them in a while, they were entering the job market during the early '90s recessions and the early 2000s recession and got straddled with student debt. Also were known for doing a lot of drugs in their youth. Also a part of the "Sandwich generation".  Born 1965 - 1979, but also as early as 1962 and as late as 1982.

Millennials were the people entering or getting a foothold in the job market during the Great Recession and its aftermath (2008 - 2014). They were also the ones who protested the Iraq War and were the anti-George Bush in general. Very irreligious, very liberal, and also very stingy with money. Generally, I'd put it at 1980 to 1995, but I think it can be extended to 1997. I'm taking some first year university courses and came across some 1996-1997 borns, and they share a lot of the mentality, but they haven't got to vote in an election yet. I don't think we can say for sure when Millennials end, since the generation has not fully matured yet.

Gen Z starts somewhere around there though, the late '90s. If you can't remember the Bush years and the Great Recession then it's hard for me to call you a Millennial IMO.

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Also a very relevant article, How Birth Year Influences Political Views

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html

A lot of people like to divide Boomers into early Boomers (1946 - 1954, who grew up to be anti-Nixon and anti-Vietnam) and late Boomers (1955 - 1964) who have a lot in common with Gen X, but still grew up in economically prosperous times. You'll see that the Silent Gen (1937 - 1944) is very Republican. With Early Boomers (1946 - 1954) you start seeing Democratic tendancies. With 1955 - 1964 and 1965 - 1979, you're back to Gen X and Late Boomers being strong Republicans. But then in 1979 and 1980 you hit a switch, all of a sudden you get to the Millennials who are strong Democrats.

Caution with the data though, it includes only whites. Once you include non-whites, who almost always vote Democrat, then you find a strong Democratic cohort among Early Boomers and Millennials.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/07/15 at 6:56 pm


I think events in adulthood are way more important in defining generations than events in childhood.

For Boomers, that would be the Vietnam draft, Watergate, and also the election of Raegan. They entered the job market during the '70s and '80s where pension plans were out and 401ks were in, then they lost their retirement savings during the Great Recession. They're also the "Sandwich Generation": taking care of their aging parents while also taking care of their kids at the same time. Most people place Boomers as born between 1946 - 1964, though some like to group early 60s babies with Gen X.

Gen Xers were the first generation to be worse off compared to the generation before them in a while, they were entering the job market during the early '90s recessions and the early 2000s recession and got straddled with student debt. Also were known for doing a lot of drugs in their youth. Also a part of the "Sandwich generation".  Born 1965 - 1979, but also as early as 1962 and as late as 1982.

Millennials were the people entering or getting a foothold in the job market during the Great Recession and its aftermath (2008 - 2014). They were also the ones who protested the Iraq War and were the anti-George Bush in general. Very irreligious, very liberal, and also very stingy with money. Generally, I'd put it at 1980 to 1995, but I think it can be extended to 1997. I'm taking some first year university courses and came across some 1996-1997 borns, and they share a lot of the mentality, but they haven't got to vote in an election yet. I don't think we can say for sure when Millennials end, since the generation has not fully matured yet.

Gen Z starts somewhere around there though, the late '90s. If you can't remember the Bush years and the Great Recession then it's hard for me to call you a Millennial IMO.

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Also a very relevant article, How Birth Year Influences Political Views

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html

A lot of people like to divide Boomers into early Boomers (1946 - 1954, who grew up to be anti-Nixon and anti-Vietnam) and late Boomers (1955 - 1964) who have a lot in common with Gen X, but still grew up in economically prosperous times. You'll see that the Silent Gen (1937 - 1944) is very Republican. With Early Boomers (1946 - 1954) you start seeing Democratic tendancies. With 1955 - 1964 and 1965 - 1979, you're back to Gen X and Late Boomers being strong Republicans. But then in 1979 and 1980 you hit a switch, all of a sudden you get to the Millennials who are strong Democrats.

Caution with the data though, it includes only whites. Once you include non-whites, who almost always vote Democrat, then you find a strong Democratic cohort among Early Boomers and Millennials.


I think the reason this occurs is because of multiple factors:

A. The decade/culture you grew up in

B. How you were influenced

C. When you came of age

So lets use your average Millennial born in say 1989. They were kids during the Prosperous and Liberal times of the Clinton 90's, only to enter their double digits around during the controversial Bush vs. Gore Election, and then later 9/11 ushering in the Patriotic and Conservative 00's. By the time that person turned 18 in 2007, Bush went from a respected leader around in the early-mid 00's, to a laughing stock to the entire world. This was also when Obama was running for president, and assuming someone from 89' was in college at the time, could of easily been influenced by Obama's speeches and policies. Because of this most people from 89', and including most from that general age range, would most likely lean more on the Democratic side for the rest of their lives.

Alternatively someone from my year 1996, on the line between Millennials & Gen Z, would of grew up during the Conservative Bush Years. We were some of the last people to remember a pre 9/11 world and the immediate affect right after. This along with being the last to remember a stable and prosperous economy. Sure not as strong as the 90's, but still pretty damn good. So minus the controversial wars in the Middle East and Hurricane Katrina provided if you lived in that region, most kids my age didn't seem to have a problem with Bush. It was really around in mid-late 2007, with the pop of the Housing Bubble, The Surge in Iraq, The Democrats winning Congress, The Great Recession, and election of Obama, where that started to change.

For my high school years in the early 10's, in a pretty diverse school of people from different racial, ethnic, economic, and various other backgrounds, it was pretty divided. I would say half of the school hated Obama and missed Bush, while the other half loved Obama and were glad Bush was gone (and then you have guys like me who cannot stand either of them  ;D). It wasn't really when I started my Senior year of high school when the divide was actually starting to subside in favor of most actually liking Obama. I think there were a lot factors like us finally coming of age and now learning different viewpoints then the ones our parents instilled into us and or the improving economy under Obama.

All in all guys my age who are now Sophomores in College are pretty Liberal for the most part, however unlike Older Millennials it seems like Younger Millennials like myself and a few others are still a bit more skeptical about both political parties. Hence why Older Millennials seem more kin on Hillary Clinton, they are familiar with Clinton because of their awesome childhoods in the 90's and of course her longtime established career in Washington. While Younger Millennials seem more interested in Bernie Sanders because unlike Clinton, he does not repersent the economic and political establishment and is technically an Independent.

So like the divide between Older Boomers born from 1946-1954 being more Liberal and Younger Boomers (aka Generation Jones) born from 1955-1964 being more conservative, Older Millennials born from 1982-1991 are Very Liberal and seem to be huge supporters of the Democratic Party regardless of some of the party's faults while Younger Millennials born from 1992-2000 (although this is subject to change, at the moment it would be more accurate to say 1992-1997/8) are also Very Liberal but because we're old enough to remember the turbulent Bush years and we came of age during the Lacking Obama Years we seem to not trust either political party.

Although this is just my own theory on the subject at hand your free to have your own

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 12/08/15 at 1:09 am




I think the reason this occurs is because of multiple factors:

A. The decade/culture you grew up in

B. How you were influenced

C. When you came of age

So lets use your average Millennial born in say 1989. They were kids during the Prosperous and Liberal times of the Clinton 90's, only to enter their double digits around during the controversial Bush vs. Gore Election, and then later 9/11 ushering in the Patriotic and Conservative 00's. By the time that person turned 18 in 2007, Bush went from a respected leader around in the early-mid 00's, to a laughing stock to the entire world. This was also when Obama was running for president, and assuming someone from 89' was in college at the time, could of easily been influenced by Obama's speeches and policies. Because of this most people from 89', and including most from that general age range, would most likely lean more on the Democratic side for the rest of their lives.

Alternatively someone from my year 1996, on the line between Millennials & Gen Z, would of grew up during the Conservative Bush Years. We were some of the last people to remember a pre 9/11 world and the immediate affect right after. This along with being the last to remember a stable and prosperous economy. Sure not as strong as the 90's, but still pretty damn good. So minus the controversial wars in the Middle East and Hurricane Katrina provided if you lived in that region, most kids my age didn't seem to have a problem with Bush. It was really around in mid-late 2007, with the pop of the Housing Bubble, The Surge in Iraq, The Democrats winning Congress, The Great Recession, and election of Obama, where that started to change.

For my high school years in the early 10's, in a pretty diverse school of people from different racial, ethnic, economic, and various other backgrounds, it was pretty divided. I would say half of the school hated Obama and missed Bush, while the other half loved Obama and were glad Bush was gone (and then you have guys like me who cannot stand either of them  ;D). It wasn't really when I started my Senior year of high school when the divide was actually starting to subside in favor of most actually liking Obama. I think there were a lot factors like us finally coming of age and now learning different viewpoints then the ones our parents instilled into us and or the improving economy under Obama.

All in all guys my age who are now Sophomores in College are pretty Liberal for the most part, however unlike Older Millennials it seems like Younger Millennials like myself and a few others are still a bit more skeptical about both political parties. Hence why Older Millennials seem more kin on Hillary Clinton, they are familiar with Clinton because of their awesome childhoods in the 90's and of course her longtime established career in Washington. While Younger Millennials seem more interested in Bernie Sanders because unlike Clinton, he does not repersent the economic and political establishment and is technically an Independent.

So like the divide between Older Boomers born from 1946-1954 being more Liberal and Younger Boomers (aka Generation Jones) born from 1955-1964 being more conservative, Older Millennials born from 1982-1991 are Very Liberal and seem to be huge supporters of the Democratic Party regardless of some of the party's faults while Younger Millennials born from 1992-2000 (although this is subject to change, at the moment it would be more accurate to say 1992-1997/8) are also Very Liberal but because we're old enough to remember the turbulent Bush years and we came of age during the Lacking Obama Years we seem to not trust either political party.

Although this is just my own theory on the subject at hand your free to have your own


That is kind of an interesting point. Though I'm curious as to where the ultra-progressive SJWs fit into all this. Are they just a loud minority?. Are they more likely to be older millennials, middle (1987-1991), or late? Because I find that people our age are often stereotyped as SJWs (which is odd, considering my sister whom was born in 1987 fits the description perfectly). It could be a regional thing too. After all, I do live in the Silicon Valley.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/08/15 at 7:58 am


That is kind of an interesting point. Though I'm curious as to where the ultra-progressive SJWs fit into all this. Are they just a loud minority?. Are they more likely to be older millennials, middle (1987-1991), or late? Because I find that people our age are often stereotyped as SJWs (which is odd, considering my sister whom was born in 1987 fits the description perfectly). It could be a regional thing too. After all, I do live in the Silicon Valley.


Well thats a good question. Personally if you ask me I would say the SJW thing is actually both younger and older Millennial. Although SJWs that started the whole movement would be mostly Older Millennials, people born pre 1987. However the phenomenom is more prevalent in a lot 20 somethings so core Millennials. While younger Millennials in their late teens/early 20's, despite being in College and easily the most likely to be swayed by this rhetoric, most are actually against, hence why there not big fans of Hillary Clinton mainly because most SJWs are in favor of her while Anti SJW Liberals tend to lean more towards Bernie Sanders or sometimes Liberterian or Green Party candidates.

Demographic wise, well I'm from NJ, and while its a very Liberal state the Town and County I live in pretty Center-Right, I guess you could say its a bit Liberterian. Basically if you were to ask the average 30-50 something in my town if they support Gay Marriage or something like that they would say, 'Of Course'. But then ask a follow up question like if you are in support of Obamacare and they'll say 'Hell No'  ;D

Also take into account that I live like a good 45 minutes away from New York, one of the most Liberal cities in America, so regardless of people's strong conservative economic beliefs, they are still very influenced by very liberal social and domestic beliefs.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/08/15 at 8:57 am

Speaking about generations it seems that there is finally a good name for the generation born after Millennials, called 'The Founders'.

And guess who came up with the name?

MTV

IilCFlGIgx8

Here's a few article about this:

http://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/gen-z-post-9-11-generation-called-founders/301578/

http://mic.com/articles/129885/mtv-has-named-the-post-millennial-generation-founders-and-we-must-not-let-this-stand#.BIIvO5PT4

http://thepub.viacom.com/sites/mtvpress/Pages/MTV-ASKS-POST-MILLENNIAL-GENERATION-TO-NAME-ITSELF.aspx

I would like to hear your opinions on this?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: TheKid99 on 12/08/15 at 12:09 pm

I agree that we are different from the Millenials and from what I have seen we are learning from the mistakes that our parents made, Gen X and what our older siblings(Gen Y) have made. But I think there needs to be another name, it sounds a little bit too bland IMHO.

I think events in adulthood are way more important in defining generations than events in childhood.

For Boomers, that would be the Vietnam draft, Watergate, and also the election of Raegan. They entered the job market during the '70s and '80s where pension plans were out and 401ks were in, then they lost their retirement savings during the Great Recession. They're also the "Sandwich Generation": taking care of their aging parents while also taking care of their kids at the same time. Most people place Boomers as born between 1946 - 1964, though some like to group early 60s babies with Gen X.

Gen Xers were the first generation to be worse off compared to the generation before them in a while, they were entering the job market during the early '90s recessions and the early 2000s recession and got straddled with student debt. Also were known for doing a lot of drugs in their youth. Also a part of the "Sandwich generation".  Born 1965 - 1979, but also as early as 1962 and as late as 1982.

Millennials were the people entering or getting a foothold in the job market during the Great Recession and its aftermath (2008 - 2014). They were also the ones who protested the Iraq War and were the anti-George Bush in general. Very irreligious, very liberal, and also very stingy with money. Generally, I'd put it at 1980 to 1995, but I think it can be extended to 1997. I'm taking some first year university courses and came across some 1996-1997 borns, and they share a lot of the mentality, but they haven't got to vote in an election yet. I don't think we can say for sure when Millennials end, since the generation has not fully matured yet.

Gen Z starts somewhere around there though, the late '90s. If you can't remember the Bush years and the Great Recession then it's hard for me to call you a Millennial IMO.

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Also a very relevant article, How Birth Year Influences Political Views

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html

A lot of people like to divide Boomers into early Boomers (1946 - 1954, who grew up to be anti-Nixon and anti-Vietnam) and late Boomers (1955 - 1964) who have a lot in common with Gen X, but still grew up in economically prosperous times. You'll see that the Silent Gen (1937 - 1944) is very Republican. With Early Boomers (1946 - 1954) you start seeing Democratic tendancies. With 1955 - 1964 and 1965 - 1979, you're back to Gen X and Late Boomers being strong Republicans. But then in 1979 and 1980 you hit a switch, all of a sudden you get to the Millennials who are strong Democrats.

Caution with the data though, it includes only whites. Once you include non-whites, who almost always vote Democrat, then you find a strong Democratic cohort among Early Boomers and Millennials.

I can relate to my parents who are fairly republican (Born '68, '69) that they came of age in a difficult job market. They also were just starting to get proseprous when the Dot Com Bubble burst and bought our house at the worse time, 2002 and had to foreclose.

I feel like I lean republican however there are some issues that I disagree with. I disagree though on the Bush/Great Recession thing. I remember every year in my life clearly from 2005 onwards and I do remember the Great Recession, the last Bush years were everyone hated him and such. The Oldest Gen Z will remember those years.

From what I have seen, it seems like our generation is going to be a bit less liberal than Gen. Y. Our generation is socailly accepting and diverse that is true however President Obama is not really seen as a great president. He may have gotten us out of Bush/Clintons fianancial freefall but he has not really been a good president in stopping those horrible terrorist attacks, ISIS, school shootings. I think that we are going to be an independent generation. We hold distaste for both parties.

I am Gen Z or whatever the heck it is called.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 12/08/15 at 2:24 pm


Well thats a good question. Personally if you ask me I would say the SJW thing is actually both younger and older Millennial. Although SJWs that started the whole movement would be mostly Older Millennials, people born pre 1987. However the phenomenom is more prevalent in a lot 20 somethings so core Millennials. While younger Millennials in their late teens/early 20's, despite being in College and easily the most likely to be swayed by this rhetoric, most are actually against, hence why there not big fans of Hillary Clinton mainly because most SJWs are in favor of her while Anti SJW Liberals tend to lean more towards Bernie Sanders or sometimes Liberterian or Green Party candidates.

Demographic wise, well I'm from NJ, and while its a very Liberal state the Town and County I live in pretty Center-Right, I guess you could say its a bit Liberterian. Basically if you were to ask the average 30-50 something in my town if they support Gay Marriage or something like that they would say, 'Of Course'. But then ask a follow up question like if you are in support of Obamacare and they'll say 'Hell No'  ;D

Also take into account that I live like a good 45 minutes away from New York, one of the most Liberal cities in America, so regardless of people's strong conservative economic beliefs, they are still very influenced by very liberal social and domestic beliefs.


Yeah, I kind of felt that the younger millennials that do become SJWs are simply confused. On the bright side, I do think they can be swayed away from that mindset as well. Now that I think about it, outside of the liberal arts/political science majors, the students at my school tend to be relatively varied when it comes to politics. It's just that the SJWs are a loud minority. I think it all depends on the person. But I have noticed that the core millennials (like my sister) tend to be very passionate (for lack of a better word) in their world view. If I were to say anything to my sister that slightly contradicts her ideas, she would accuse me of "sounding like a republican" (which is funny, because I am actually a registered democrat). Don't get me wrong, I love my sister, and she is a nice person. But I am kind of afraid to talk politics with her, in that it might put a strain in our relationship.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/08/15 at 3:43 pm


Yeah, I kind of felt that the younger millennials that do become SJWs are simply confused. On the bright side, I do think they can be swayed away from that mindset as well. Now that I think about it, outside of the liberal arts/political science majors, the students at my school tend to be relatively varied when it comes to politics. It's just that the SJWs are a loud minority. I think it all depends on the person. But I have noticed that the core millennials (like my sister) tend to be very passionate (for lack of a better word) in their world view. If I were to say anything to my sister that slightly contradicts her ideas, she would accuse me of "sounding like a republican" (which is funny, because I am actually a registered democrat). Don't get me wrong, I love my sister, and she is a nice person. But I am kind of afraid to talk politics with her, in that it might put a strain in our relationship.


I totally agree! Its the same with my two sisters born in 1985' and 1986'. They are HUGE Obama & Clinton supporters and are devout Democrats.

I personally am not a huge fan of President Obama but not because I'm a Conservative but because I am not a huge fan of how Center leaning he is on many policies. Because of that the Bush's Wars, Domestic Policy, and to less extent his economic policies, bled into the Obama era. Now I understand that not all of this is his fault, in fact a good chunk of it is the reason of the mostly Republican Congress blocking reasonable legistlation like recently how the Repubs want to sell guns to terrorists. However in other policies like the NDAA, The Prism Program, Our Current Military Involvement in several countries and our Drone Strikes killing innocent people (like this hospital recently http://www.ibtimes.com/afghan-hospital-airstrike-us-has-long-history-mistakenly-killing-civilians-2129457) and the TPP which is being finalized as we speak, its almost as if he sort of abandoned me and many others.

Anyways whenever I bring up these critical points about him along with a few other established Democrats like Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton amongst my sisters, they flip their sh*t and call me a 'Stupid Conservative'...

Meanwhile my sister born in 1991, agrees with me and has the same issues with a lot of established Democrats as well. And even though we might have slight differences on various issues she doesn't just outright dismiss me and call me a stupid remark.

So I agree with you 100% there seems to be a pretty clear divide between Older Millennials and Younger Millennials when it comes to political issues, which is surprising because minus spending childhoods in different decades Older & Younger Millennials are very similar in many other ways like how we use technology, what we get nostalgic over, our personality traits, etc.

Its not that one half of the generation is Conservative or one half is Liberal, but it seems that the older half is much more lets say Gullible while they younger half is a lot more pragmatic, but all in all but both sides are pretty left leaning.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/08/15 at 4:12 pm


Speaking about generations it seems that there is finally a good name for the generation born after Millennials, called 'The Founders'.

And guess who came up with the name?

MTV

IilCFlGIgx8

Here's a few article about this:

http://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/gen-z-post-9-11-generation-called-founders/301578/

http://mic.com/articles/129885/mtv-has-named-the-post-millennial-generation-founders-and-we-must-not-let-this-stand#.BIIvO5PT4

http://thepub.viacom.com/sites/mtvpress/Pages/MTV-ASKS-POST-MILLENNIAL-GENERATION-TO-NAME-ITSELF.aspx

I would like to hear your opinions on this?
There were already names for the Z generation. How did they not know that? The alternatives are Plurals, Homeland, Digital Natives, Centinnials, New Silent, and Igen. As for the new name, Founders could be a good one if they are able to change the world and make it a much better place when they are in power.

On one of the sites, I found this photo that shows the decades of youth.

http://thepub.viacom.com/sites/mtvpress/Releases%20Assets/1218/decades%20of%20youth%20final%2012%2001%202015.jpg

I also found some articles stating that the name is dumb

http://gothamist.com/2015/12/02/mtv_and_gen_z_can_go_2_hell.php

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/6/9858632/generation-z-needs-a-better-name-than-the-founders

http://community.good.is/link/who-comes-after-the-millennial-generation-meet-the-founders#discuss

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/millennials-are-about-to-be-upstaged-by-the-founders-2015-12-03

http://www.brandchannel.com/2015/12/02/mtv-founders-generation-120215/

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/08/15 at 4:27 pm


I agree that we are different from the Millenials and from what I have seen we are learning from the mistakes that our parents made, Gen X and what our older siblings(Gen Y) have made. But I think there needs to be another name, it sounds a little bit too bland IMHO.I can relate to my parents who are fairly republican (Born '68, '69) that they came of age in a difficult job market. They also were just starting to get proseprous when the Dot Com Bubble burst and bought our house at the worse time, 2002 and had to foreclose.

I feel like I lean republican however there are some issues that I disagree with. I disagree though on the Bush/Great Recession thing. I remember every year in my life clearly from 2005 onwards and I do remember the Great Recession, the last Bush years were everyone hated him and such. The Oldest Gen Z will remember those years.

From what I have seen, it seems like our generation is going to be a bit less liberal than Gen. Y. Our generation is socailly accepting and diverse that is true however President Obama is not really seen as a great president. He may have gotten us out of Bush/Clintons fianancial freefall but he has not really been a good president in stopping those horrible terrorist attacks, ISIS, school shootings. I think that we are going to be an independent generation. We hold distaste for both parties.

I am Gen Z or whatever the heck it is called.

Were you born in 1999?

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Zelek2 on 12/08/15 at 11:41 pm


There were already names for the Z generation. How did they not know that? The alternatives are Plurals, Homeland, Digital Natives, Centinnials, New Silent, and Igen. As for the new name, Founders could be a good one if they are able to change the world and make it a much better place when they are in power.

On one of the sites, I found this photo that shows the decades of youth.

http://thepub.viacom.com/sites/mtvpress/Releases%20Assets/1218/decades%20of%20youth%20final%2012%2001%202015.jpg

I also found some articles stating that the name is dumb

http://gothamist.com/2015/12/02/mtv_and_gen_z_can_go_2_hell.php

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/6/9858632/generation-z-needs-a-better-name-than-the-founders

http://community.good.is/link/who-comes-after-the-millennial-generation-meet-the-founders#discuss

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/millennials-are-about-to-be-upstaged-by-the-founders-2015-12-03

http://www.brandchannel.com/2015/12/02/mtv-founders-generation-120215/

I'm not saying "lol Kids today r stupid!", but picking a name like "The Founders" for your generation seems a bit narcissistic and ridiculous. Then again, who isn't self-centered when they're 13-14? ;D

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 12/08/15 at 11:54 pm




I think the reason this occurs is because of multiple factors:

A. The decade/culture you grew up in

B. How you were influenced

C. When you came of age

So lets use your average Millennial born in say 1989. They were kids during the Prosperous and Liberal times of the Clinton 90's, only to enter their double digits around during the controversial Bush vs. Gore Election, and then later 9/11 ushering in the Patriotic and Conservative 00's. By the time that person turned 18 in 2007, Bush went from a respected leader around in the early-mid 00's, to a laughing stock to the entire world. This was also when Obama was running for president, and assuming someone from 89' was in college at the time, could of easily been influenced by Obama's speeches and policies. Because of this most people from 89', and including most from that general age range, would most likely lean more on the Democratic side for the rest of their lives.

Alternatively someone from my year 1996, on the line between Millennials & Gen Z, would of grew up during the Conservative Bush Years. We were some of the last people to remember a pre 9/11 world and the immediate affect right after. This along with being the last to remember a stable and prosperous economy. Sure not as strong as the 90's, but still pretty damn good. So minus the controversial wars in the Middle East and Hurricane Katrina provided if you lived in that region, most kids my age didn't seem to have a problem with Bush. It was really around in mid-late 2007, with the pop of the Housing Bubble, The Surge in Iraq, The Democrats winning Congress, The Great Recession, and election of Obama, where that started to change.

For my high school years in the early 10's, in a pretty diverse school of people from different racial, ethnic, economic, and various other backgrounds, it was pretty divided. I would say half of the school hated Obama and missed Bush, while the other half loved Obama and were glad Bush was gone (and then you have guys like me who cannot stand either of them  ;D). It wasn't really when I started my Senior year of high school when the divide was actually starting to subside in favor of most actually liking Obama. I think there were a lot factors like us finally coming of age and now learning different viewpoints then the ones our parents instilled into us and or the improving economy under Obama.

All in all guys my age who are now Sophomores in College are pretty Liberal for the most part, however unlike Older Millennials it seems like Younger Millennials like myself and a few others are still a bit more skeptical about both political parties. Hence why Older Millennials seem more kin on Hillary Clinton, they are familiar with Clinton because of their awesome childhoods in the 90's and of course her longtime established career in Washington. While Younger Millennials seem more interested in Bernie Sanders because unlike Clinton, he does not repersent the economic and political establishment and is technically an Independent.

So like the divide between Older Boomers born from 1946-1954 being more Liberal and Younger Boomers (aka Generation Jones) born from 1955-1964 being more conservative, Older Millennials born from 1982-1991 are Very Liberal and seem to be huge supporters of the Democratic Party regardless of some of the party's faults while Younger Millennials born from 1992-2000 (although this is subject to change, at the moment it would be more accurate to say 1992-1997/8) are also Very Liberal but because we're old enough to remember the turbulent Bush years and we came of age during the Lacking Obama Years we seem to not trust either political party.

Although this is just my own theory on the subject at hand your free to have your own


Yeah, I think as more times goes by we are starting to see some fairly clear divisions between the first and second halves of Gen Y when it comes to politics.

I see it pretty much the way you described. People my age tend to have a very negative view of the Republican Party, partially because of social issues of course, but in large part due to us coming of age around the same time that George W. Bush's popularity began to crater. You have to remember that at the same time my friends and I were graduating college and entering the job market in 2008-09 the Great Recession was reaching it's worst point (unemployment peaked at 10% in October 2009), and we pretty much exclusively blamed Bush for this. On the flip side, many around my age tend to get very protective and defensive when it comes to Obama. I think a large part of this may be due to the fact that we were the main group that got sucked into the "Hope and Change" hype of 2008, and are loathe to admit that Obama has not fully lived up to the incredible expectations of that campaign.

Younger Yers seem to be slightly more open to voting Republican. In fact, there is supposedly an exit poll out there (though I have not seen it myself) showing that 18 and 19-year-olds (1994 and 1993 borns) actually went for Mitt Romney in the 2012 election. Perhaps not being old enough to vote for Obama in 2008, and coming of age largely during his term in office, is a part of the reason those born later in the generation seem to have a more cynical view of the Democrats.

That's a good point about Hillary as well. It seems clear that the massive nostalgia that so many people my age have for the booming Clinton '90s is a factor in the support that many of us have for Hillary. It will be very interesting how the youngest Yers (that 1995-98 cohort) swings when they vote for the first time in 2016. If social issues don't play a big part in the campaign, I could see that group not being too keen on 12 years of Democratic rule and voting more conservative than Core Millennials.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 12/09/15 at 4:56 am

I personally am not a huge fan of President Obama but not because I'm a Conservative but because I am not a huge fan of how Center leaning he is on many policies. Because of that the Bush's Wars, Domestic Policy, and to less extent his economic policies, bled into the Obama era. Now I understand that not all of this is his fault, in fact a good chunk of it is the reason of the mostly Republican Congress blocking reasonable legistlation like recently how the Repubs want to sell guns to terrorists. However in other policies like the NDAA, The Prism Program, Our Current Military Involvement in several countries and our Drone Strikes killing innocent people (like this hospital recently http://www.ibtimes.com/afghan-hospital-airstrike-us-has-long-history-mistakenly-killing-civilians-2129457) and the TPP which is being finalized as we speak, its almost as if he sort of abandoned me and many others.


I read a book in college called The Politics Presidents Make, written by Stephen Skowronek, which proposes a fascinating retrospective of American presidential administrations, arguing that how successful and influential a chief executive of is, as well as how far from the center he/she conducts her administration, depends primarily on his/her place in political time, as opposed to his/her personal abilities.  Essentially, all presidents have a particular place within a political regime cycle, which opens with a reconstructive president, followed by a combination of regime-affiliated presidents and preemptive/opposition presidents, and finally ending with a disjunctive president before the cycle restarts.  Just a brief overview of the different types of presidents (be warned:  this isn't easy to completely understand immediately, so feel free to skip ahead if you want):

Reconstructive Presidents:
These are opposition leaders who come to power in the midst of a vulnerable regime.  Their agenda is rabidly critical of not only the current administration, but America's social landscape at-large.  They call for a complete break from the past and are usually successful in transforming the nation during their presidencies.  This is because not only does their message resonate with dominant political concerns, media-promoted or otherwise, but the leadership of the party that they unseat are severely fissured, due to its need to rearticulate the core values of their aging regime to a constantly evolving public.  Far and large, reconstructive presidents tend to be the most influential and iconic leaders in American history.
Examples:  Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan

Affiliated Presidents/Orthodox Innovators:
These are affiliated leaders elected in a resilient political regime.  Though for the most part, they are able to further articulate the goals originally blueprinted by their regime's reconstructive founder, they face challenges in effectively executing their policies that their reconstructive parents did not.  This is due to the fact that, with the political landscape already having been transformed to reflect their worldviews, they cannot leverage the same personal authority over the current regime as the regime's founder.  Their goal is simply to continue old policies with minor, articulate changes to address new challenges.
Examples:  James Madison, Martin Van Buren, Theodore Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson, both George Bush's

Preemptive Presidents:
As oppositional leaders to a resilient regime, preemptive leaders are usually forced towards the center, as opposed to aligning themselves directly with their party's core interests.  Because they do not have the same institutional advantages as the party in power, their only claims to legitimacy rest on their ability to straddle between both political parties.  Usually, their administrations are a hybrid of cleaning up the fallout left by the previous affiliated president, as well as furthering positive gains already started by the other party.  Lacking the institutional barriers of the dominant party, preemptive presidents often end their administrations in political checkmate, impeachment or otherwise.
Examples:  John Tyler, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama

Disjunctive Presidents:
Disjunctive presidents are leaders affiliated with a vulnerable regime.  After the national terrain has transformed enough, the party with the most traditional influence over national institutions will eventually shatter into so many pieces that succeeding affiliated presidents will have no lucid mandate from which to run the country.  Usually at the end of a political regime, philosophies and practices that once struck a chord with the bulk of the nation upon the dawn of the regime are now seen as inadequate, corrupt, irrelevant, or even the very cause of the nation's major issues.  The party in power, thus, faces a critical dilemma - although they have to made significant compromises in order to effectively meet the nation's current needs, they do not have the political support base necessary to actually carry forth with such newly adapted policies.  As a result, the party in power is more factionalized than ever before, unable to establish a clear and coherent agenda that both addresses the country's issues while still upholding the regime's authenticated values.  The commander-in-chief, thus, is usually a hands-on technocrat, not unlikely to have been elected from outside his/her party's traditional power base (people more experienced in the private sector than in political office are common representatives of this).  Unable to rally his/her quarreling party to his own order of action, nor able to make allies with an increasingly disenchanted opposition, disjunctive presidents often become politically isolated while in office, making them easy prey for a new party eager to establish a new political regime.
Examples:  John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter

With this theory in-mind, it's a lot easier to understand our current situation, both why Obama has not been able to deliver upon the change he promised in 2008, and also what the near future will probably bring.  As unpopular as George W. Bush was upon his exit from office, his party remained relatively stable, its primary leaders unified by their capitalist, anti-terror, socially conservative views, and as a result recouped almost immediately after Obama took the oath of office through the probe of the Tea Party.  Despite Generation Y and much of Generation X's strong opposition to the W. administration, tax breaks for the rich, minimal social protections, massive spending on defense, and other Reaganite ideals remained predominantly intact, since its institutional proponents (i.e., big business lobbyists like the Koch Bros. and conservative media like Fox News) were still robust; do not be surprised that Occupy Wall Street was ultimately unfruitful.  While Obama did introduce some vital stimulus to the economy and cut back on our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, his presidency's relationship to George W. Bush was ultimately more mixed than it was all about "change."

However, ever since about 2011/2012, following an incredibly turbulent election season for the Republican Party and Mitt Romney's failed bid for the presidency, the leadership within the party has become significantly more divided.  With the ascent of social media and drastically increased support of progressive ideals like gay marriage, gender fluidity, gender equality, increased gun control, and racial fairness, not to mention a wealth inequality gap that only continues to grow more embarrassing by the month, the Republican mandate that once stood as a refreshing shift away from discredited big-government practices in 1980 now appear to symbolize everything that is dysfunctional about America.  Even if you are a Republican who advocates for smaller government, you can no longer openly express your love of Reaganite beliefs with nearly the same amount of pride as you could in the 1980s.

Based on this, I project that if a Republican wins the 2016 election (which is likely, given the obvious obstacles facing Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton), he or she will be a disjunctive president.  The general frontrunners throughout the Electoral Season thus far - Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and Jeb Bush - reinforce this perfectly.  All three men are total outsiders to Washington politics, garnering public popularity primarily based on their break from the mainstream establishment.  Donald Trump may talk a big game, but his disagreements with even much of his own party raise problematic implications for him should he be elected; he would have a difficult time passing his agenda through Congress due to lacking a broad political base in Washington and would ultimately be left with nothing but the most desperate, pragmatic measures to reaffirm his presidential authority.  Carson, Bush, and even Marco Rubio would likely face the similar problems, due to the deep splits within the Republican Party as a result of its regime agenda's loss of resonance with the general public; Trump is simply the most attractive candidate in public polls in the current context because of his break from establishment insiders and will to just get things done, absurd as his ideas are.  While the Reagan Political Regime is still standing tall at the moment due to Republicans surviving off of critique against the Obama administration (in the same way animosity towards Watergate and Ford's pardoning of Nixon helped elect Jimmy Carter), I predict that once a new Republican is elected to office, his/her administration will prove to be a disjunctive failure, opening the door for a Bernie Sanders-like outspoken liberal to not only win the White House in the subsequent election, but finally give birth to a completely new sociopolitical landscape, which delivers more directly to the needs of the public and isn't knotted up in the hands of elite conservatives.  Heck, even Mitt Romney probably would have become a disjunctive president had he won in 2012; he flip-flopped constantly over his platform and won the Republican nomination primarily because he was a Washington outsider with experience in the private sector and electably moderate political views.

To summarize, this is what the Reagan Political Regime would probably look like after its completion:

Ronald Reagan (1981-1989):  Reconstructive - "In this crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."
George H.W. Bush (1989-1993):  Affiliated/Orthodox Innovator - Finishes the Cold War and continues some of the work Reagan started.
Bill Clinton (1993-2001):  Preemptive - Supports Reaganite programs like NAFTA and privatization, but also proposes "third-way" alternatives to meet the needs of the public.
George W. Bush (2001-2009):  Affiliated/Orthodox Innovator - Rides off the continued support of capitalist practices, conservative social policies, and anti-terrorism.  Leaves office unpopular due to overwhelming Democratic backlash.
Barack Obama (2009-2017):  Preemptive - Promises "change" from the most unpopular results of Bush '43's presidency but still upholds the status quo for the most part, due to resilient opposition.
Donald Trump/Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio (2017-2021):  Disjunctive - Elected to power due to the need to break from current political gridlock, but is ultimately unable to execute a successful or coherent agenda through office, finally rendering aging Reaganite institutions vulnerable to repudiation.
Bernie Sanders-esque President (2021-???):  Reconstructive - With Reaganite orthodoxy finally discredited to the point of irrelevance, and with a broad popular consensus supporting him/her, this President comes in and finally starts to undo the disgusting wealth gap, introduce more comprehensive gun control laws, ensure fairer protections and representations to all minorities, and achieve most everything else the public has long clamored for.  While this person will certainly face vicious opponents as his/her presidency continues, his/her legacy will ultimately be the most seismic since the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: TheKid99 on 12/09/15 at 8:12 am


Were you born in 1999?

Yes actually! I am pretty young compared to you guys!

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/09/15 at 8:15 am


Yeah, I think as more times goes by we are starting to see some fairly clear divisions between the first and second halves of Gen Y when it comes to politics.

I see it pretty much the way you described. People my age tend to have a very negative view of the Republican Party, partially because of social issues of course, but in large part due to us coming of age around the same time that George W. Bush's popularity began to crater. You have to remember that at the same time my friends and I were graduating college and entering the job market in 2008-09 the Great Recession was reaching it's worst point (unemployment peaked at 10% in October 2009), and we pretty much exclusively blamed Bush for this. On the flip side, many around my age tend to get very protective and defensive when it comes to Obama. I think a large part of this may be due to the fact that we were the main group that got sucked into the "Hope and Change" hype of 2008, and are loathe to admit that Obama has not fully lived up to the incredible expectations of that campaign.

Younger Yers seem to be slightly more open to voting Republican. In fact, there is supposedly an exit poll out there (though I have not seen it myself) showing that 18 and 19-year-olds (1994 and 1993 borns) actually went for Mitt Romney in the 2012 election. Perhaps not being old enough to vote for Obama in 2008, and coming of age largely during his term in office, is a part of the reason those born later in the generation seem to have a more cynical view of the Democrats.

That's a good point about Hillary as well. It seems clear that the massive nostalgia that so many people my age have for the booming Clinton '90s is a factor in the support that many of us have for Hillary. It will be very interesting how the youngest Yers (that 1995-98 cohort) swings when they vote for the first time in 2016. If social issues don't play a big part in the campaign, I could see that group not being too keen on 12 years of Democratic rule and voting more conservative than Core Millennials.


As someone in this age demographic I would say its leaning on the Liberal side, however like the 1991-1994 demographic, its not too far fetched for someone my age to vote conservative


I read a book in college called The Politics Presidents Make, written by Stephen Skowronek, which proposes a fascinating retrospective of American presidential administrations, arguing that how successful and influential a chief executive of is, as well as how far from the center he/she conducts her administration, depends primarily on his/her place in political time, as opposed to his/her personal abilities.  Essentially, all presidents have a particular place within a political regime cycle, which opens with a reconstructive president, followed by a combination of regime-affiliated presidents and preemptive/opposition presidents, and finally ending with a disjunctive president before the cycle restarts.  Just a brief overview of the different types of presidents (be warned:  this isn't easy to completely understand immediately, so feel free to skip ahead if you want):

Reconstructive Presidents:
These are opposition leaders who come to power in the midst of a vulnerable regime.  Their agenda is rabidly critical of not only the current administration, but America's social landscape at-large.  They call for a complete break from the past and are usually successful in transforming the nation during their presidencies.  This is because not only does their message resonate with dominant political concerns, media-promoted or otherwise, but the leadership of the party that they unseat are severely fissured, due to its need to rearticulate the core values of their aging regime to a constantly evolving public.  Far and large, reconstructive presidents tend to be the most influential and iconic leaders in American history.
Examples:  Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan

Affiliated Presidents/Orthodox Innovators:
These are affiliated leaders elected in a resilient political regime.  Though for the most part, they are able to further articulate the goals originally blueprinted by their regime's reconstructive founder, they face challenges in effectively executing their policies that their reconstructive parents did not.  This is due to the fact that, with the political landscape already having been transformed to reflect their worldviews, they cannot leverage the same personal authority over the current regime as the regime's founder.  Their goal is simply to continue old policies with minor, articulate changes to address new challenges.
Examples:  James Madison, Martin Van Buren, Theodore Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson, both George Bush's

Preemptive Presidents:
As oppositional leaders to a resilient regime, preemptive leaders are usually forced towards the center, as opposed to aligning themselves directly with their party's core interests.  Because they do not have the same institutional advantages as the party in power, their only claims to legitimacy rest on their ability to straddle between both political parties.  Usually, their administrations are a hybrid of cleaning up the fallout left by the previous affiliated president, as well as furthering positive gains already started by the other party.  Lacking the institutional barriers of the dominant party, preemptive presidents often end their administrations in political checkmate, impeachment or otherwise.
Examples:  John Tyler, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama

Disjunctive Presidents:
Disjunctive presidents are leaders affiliated with a vulnerable regime.  After the national terrain has transformed enough, the party with the most traditional influence over national institutions will eventually shatter into so many pieces that succeeding affiliated presidents will have no lucid mandate from which to run the country.  Usually at the end of a political regime, philosophies and practices that once struck a chord with the bulk of the nation upon the dawn of the regime are now seen as inadequate, corrupt, irrelevant, or even the very cause of the nation's major issues.  The party in power, thus, faces a critical dilemma - although they have to made significant compromises in order to effectively meet the nation's current needs, they do not have the political support base necessary to actually carry forth with such newly adapted policies.  As a result, the party in power is more factionalized than ever before, unable to establish a clear and coherent agenda that both addresses the country's issues while still upholding the regime's authenticated values.  The commander-in-chief, thus, is usually a hands-on technocrat, not unlikely to have been elected from outside his/her party's traditional power base (people more experienced in the private sector than in political office are common representatives of this).  Unable to rally his/her quarreling party to his own order of action, nor able to make allies with an increasingly disenchanted opposition, disjunctive presidents often become politically isolated while in office, making them easy prey for a new party eager to establish a new political regime.
Examples:  John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter

With this theory in-mind, it's a lot easier to understand our current situation, both why Obama has not been able to deliver upon the change he promised in 2008, and also what the near future will probably bring.  As unpopular as George W. Bush was upon his exit from office, his party remained relatively stable, its primary leaders unified by their capitalist, anti-terror, socially conservative views, and as a result recouped almost immediately after Obama took the oath of office through the probe of the Tea Party.  Despite Generation Y and much of Generation X's strong opposition to the W. administration, tax breaks for the rich, minimal social protections, massive spending on defense, and other Reaganite ideals remained predominantly intact, since its institutional proponents (i.e., big business lobbyists like the Koch Bros. and conservative media like Fox News) were still robust; do not be surprised that Occupy Wall Street was ultimately unfruitful.  While Obama did introduce some vital stimulus to the economy and cut back on our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, his presidency's relationship to George W. Bush was ultimately more mixed than it was all about "change."

However, ever since about 2011/2012, following an incredibly turbulent election season for the Republican Party and Mitt Romney's failed bid for the presidency, the leadership within the party has become significantly more divided.  With the ascent of social media and drastically increased support of progressive ideals like gay marriage, gender fluidity, gender equality, increased gun control, and racial fairness, not to mention a wealth inequality gap that only continues to grow more embarrassing by the month, the Republican mandate that once stood as a refreshing shift away from discredited big-government practices in 1980 now appear to symbolize everything that is dysfunctional about America.  Even if you are a Republican who advocates for smaller government, you can no longer openly express your love of Reaganite beliefs with nearly the same amount of pride as you could in the 1980s.

Based on this, I project that if a Republican wins the 2016 election (which is likely, given the obvious obstacles facing Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton), he or she will be a disjunctive president.  The general frontrunners throughout the Electoral Season thus far - Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and Jeb Bush - reinforce this perfectly.  All three men are total outsiders to Washington politics, garnering public popularity primarily based on their break from the mainstream establishment.  Donald Trump may talk a big game, but his disagreements with even much of his own party raise problematic implications for him should he be elected; he would have a difficult time passing his agenda through Congress due to lacking a broad political base in Washington and would ultimately be left with nothing but the most desperate, pragmatic measures to reaffirm his presidential authority.  Carson, Bush, and even Marco Rubio would likely face the similar problems, due to the deep splits within the Republican Party as a result of its regime agenda's loss of resonance with the general public; Trump is simply the most attractive candidate in public polls in the current context because of his break from establishment insiders and will to just get things done, absurd as his ideas are.  While the Reagan Political Regime is still standing tall at the moment due to Republicans surviving off of critique against the Obama administration (in the same way animosity towards Watergate and Ford's pardoning of Nixon helped elect Jimmy Carter), I predict that once a new Republican is elected to office, his/her administration will prove to be a disjunctive failure, opening the door for a Bernie Sanders-like outspoken liberal to not only win the White House in the subsequent election, but finally give birth to a completely new sociopolitical landscape, which delivers more directly to the needs of the public and isn't knotted up in the hands of elite conservatives.  Heck, even Mitt Romney probably would have become a disjunctive president had he won in 2012; he flip-flopped constantly over his platform and won the Republican nomination primarily because he was a Washington outsider with experience in the private sector and electably moderate political views.

To summarize, this is what the Reagan Political Regime would probably look like after its completion:

Ronald Reagan (1981-1989):  Reconstructive - "In this crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."
George H.W. Bush (1989-1993):  Affiliated/Orthodox Innovator - Finishes the Cold War and continues some of the work Reagan started.
Bill Clinton (1993-2001):  Preemptive - Supports Reaganite programs like NAFTA and privatization, but also proposes "third-way" alternatives to meet the needs of the public.
George W. Bush (2001-2009):  Affiliated/Orthodox Innovator - Rides off the continued support of capitalist practices, conservative social policies, and anti-terrorism.  Leaves office unpopular due to overwhelming Democratic backlash.
Barack Obama (2009-2017):  Preemptive - Promises "change" from the most unpopular results of Bush '43's presidency but still upholds the status quo for the most part, due to resilient opposition.
Donald Trump/Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio (2017-2021):  Disjunctive - Elected to power due to the need to break from current political gridlock, but is ultimately unable to execute a successful or coherent agenda through office, finally rendering aging Reaganite institutions vulnerable to repudiation.
Bernie Sanders-esque President (2021-???):  Reconstructive - With Reaganite orthodoxy finally discredited to the point of irrelevance, and with a broad popular consensus supporting him/her, this President comes in and finally starts to undo the disgusting wealth gap, introduce more comprehensive gun control laws, ensure fairer protections and representations to all minorities, and achieve most everything else the public has long clamored for.  While this person will certainly face vicious opponents as his/her presidency continues, his/her legacy will ultimately be the most seismic since the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s.


This was a very interesting read thanks!

I agree with what you are saying. Its weird because I always found Obama and Clinton to be very similar in their policies, how they communicate, personalities, etc. So I guess it makes sense that they are socially both Preemptive Democratic Presidents.

It'll be interesting how the 2016 election plays out. My man is Sanders, however it seems that the Republican candidates like Trump, Carson, & Cruz are going to be hard to beat. If any of the Repubs win It'll be interesting how their administration plays out.

I was predicting that if someone from that party won presidency that the presidency itself would be a very Reaganistic. Especially Trump, I see him as the modern day version of Reagan, both were political outsiders, both brought up controversial issues at hand, both were very elderly when they campaigned (Reagan was 69 in 1980, Trump is 69 in 2015) and both have been seen to have success which drawed/s in voters.

However based on your analysis Trump or any repub candidate would be a Disjunctive president and not a Reconstructive one, which actually makes a lot of sense since the Repubs are losing the Social Culture war and its only a matter of time when they start losing the economic & domestic culture war

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Gdowe1991 on 12/09/15 at 5:53 pm

With all this talk about politics, has anybody here come across a 1991 born that is strongly democratic? I am very democratic, but I would like to know how many more of my kind born my year are strongly democratic.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mqg96 on 12/09/15 at 6:20 pm


With all this talk about politics, has anybody here come across a 1991 born that is strongly democratic? I am very democratic, but I would like to know how many more of my kind born my year are strongly democratic.


I think a lot has to do with family and personal relationships or experiences too.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: violet_shy on 12/09/15 at 7:58 pm

Why do the last three have to be letters? Why can't it be  Millenials, other , and other.  Just wondering!

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/09/15 at 8:16 pm


Why do the last three have to be letters? Why can't it be  Millenials, other , and other.  Just wondering!


Well it seems that most people are now renaming Gen Z either Igeneration (which is stupid) or Homelanders (which I actually like). You also have the new term The Founders (founded by MTV, and no that was not intentional  ;D)

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/10/15 at 4:45 pm


Why do the last three have to be letters? Why can't it be Millennials, other , and other.  Just wondering!


There are alternative names I found from some sources

X: Baby Busters, 13th Generation, MTV Generation, Digital Immigrants and Latchkey

Y: Millennials, Echo Boomers, Why, Baby Boomlets and Digital Pioneers

Z: Plurals, Homeland, Digital Natives, New Silent Generation and iGeneration.


Well it seems that most people are now renaming Gen Z either Igeneration (which is stupid) or Homelanders (which I actually like). You also have the new term The Founders (founded by MTV, and no that was not intentional  ;D)
How do you feel on the name plurals?

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/216355/plurals-americas-last-generation-with-caucasian.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hais-and-morley-winograd/plurals-generation_b_1492384.html

http://mashable.com/2015/05/12/marketing-homeland-generation/#YxC9rNsKpuqz

http://www.imediaconnection.com/content/38154.asp#multiview

http://www.digitalsurgeons.com/thoughts/strategy/meet-the-youngest-consumers-plurals/

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/10/15 at 6:00 pm


There are alternative names I found from some sources

X: Baby Busters, 13th Generation, MTV Generation, Digital Immigrants and Latchkey

Y: Millennials, Echo Boomers, Why, Baby Boomlets and Digital Pioneers

Z: Plurals, Homeland, Digital Natives, New Silent Generation and iGeneration.
How do you feel on the name plurals?

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/216355/plurals-americas-last-generation-with-caucasian.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hais-and-morley-winograd/plurals-generation_b_1492384.html

http://mashable.com/2015/05/12/marketing-homeland-generation/#YxC9rNsKpuqz

http://www.imediaconnection.com/content/38154.asp#multiview

http://www.digitalsurgeons.com/thoughts/strategy/meet-the-youngest-consumers-plurals/


I like the name and it makes sense since generations are becoming more diverse and socially accepting. However my favorite is probably Homelanders because it represents the generation that never knew a world where the U.S wasn't at war with someone, when the economy was stable, and life before technology started to consume us like today. Most people who are fans of the Homelanders name typically start the generation in or around 2001, and if you apply all of those things I mentioned above, most 2001 babies would only have a vague recollection of the things I mentioned

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: 2001 on 12/11/15 at 1:22 am




I think the reason this occurs is because of multiple factors:

A. The decade/culture you grew up in

B. How you were influenced

C. When you came of age

So lets use your average Millennial born in say 1989. They were kids during the Prosperous and Liberal times of the Clinton 90's, only to enter their double digits around during the controversial Bush vs. Gore Election, and then later 9/11 ushering in the Patriotic and Conservative 00's. By the time that person turned 18 in 2007, Bush went from a respected leader around in the early-mid 00's, to a laughing stock to the entire world. This was also when Obama was running for president, and assuming someone from 89' was in college at the time, could of easily been influenced by Obama's speeches and policies. Because of this most people from 89', and including most from that general age range, would most likely lean more on the Democratic side for the rest of their lives.

Alternatively someone from my year 1996, on the line between Millennials & Gen Z, would of grew up during the Conservative Bush Years. We were some of the last people to remember a pre 9/11 world and the immediate affect right after. This along with being the last to remember a stable and prosperous economy. Sure not as strong as the 90's, but still pretty damn good. So minus the controversial wars in the Middle East and Hurricane Katrina provided if you lived in that region, most kids my age didn't seem to have a problem with Bush. It was really around in mid-late 2007, with the pop of the Housing Bubble, The Surge in Iraq, The Democrats winning Congress, The Great Recession, and election of Obama, where that started to change.

For my high school years in the early 10's, in a pretty diverse school of people from different racial, ethnic, economic, and various other backgrounds, it was pretty divided. I would say half of the school hated Obama and missed Bush, while the other half loved Obama and were glad Bush was gone (and then you have guys like me who cannot stand either of them  ;D). It wasn't really when I started my Senior year of high school when the divide was actually starting to subside in favor of most actually liking Obama. I think there were a lot factors like us finally coming of age and now learning different viewpoints then the ones our parents instilled into us and or the improving economy under Obama.

All in all guys my age who are now Sophomores in College are pretty Liberal for the most part, however unlike Older Millennials it seems like Younger Millennials like myself and a few others are still a bit more skeptical about both political parties. Hence why Older Millennials seem more kin on Hillary Clinton, they are familiar with Clinton because of their awesome childhoods in the 90's and of course her longtime established career in Washington. While Younger Millennials seem more interested in Bernie Sanders because unlike Clinton, he does not repersent the economic and political establishment and is technically an Independent.

So like the divide between Older Boomers born from 1946-1954 being more Liberal and Younger Boomers (aka Generation Jones) born from 1955-1964 being more conservative, Older Millennials born from 1982-1991 are Very Liberal and seem to be huge supporters of the Democratic Party regardless of some of the party's faults while Younger Millennials born from 1992-2000 (although this is subject to change, at the moment it would be more accurate to say 1992-1997/8) are also Very Liberal but because we're old enough to remember the turbulent Bush years and we came of age during the Lacking Obama Years we seem to not trust either political party.

Although this is just my own theory on the subject at hand your free to have your own


I think I'll have to rep for the 92/93/94 borns and say we came of age when Obama was still a very popular president  ;D actually, his net approval rating is pretty much zero, but much higher among youth, so I'm not sure if even younger (1995-97 aka current voting age) people dislike him all that much. I can see where you're getting at with the antiestablishment political streak though. I think it has more to do with the Trayvon Martin shootings and Citizens United ruling, which would make it a more contemporary movement in general and not just a late millennial thing. I mean, it's not exactly 1992-1998 borns lining up to Trump and Cruz rallies lol. Most young Republicans would probably be in Rand/Ron Paul camp.

@99kid - it's one thing to "remember" it,  I mean I remember 1999 when Clinton was president and he loved two people at the same time but I love my mom and my dad at the same time so what the hell's the big deal? I think if you didn't utter the words "F Bush" or "Cheney has 6 letters in his name for a reason" or didn't jam it out to American Idiot by Green Day then your millennial credentials are a bit iffy. Also anyone else remember this "Time to bomb Saddam" flash video going around in the early 2000s? https://youtu.be/SBKWQ41dpVc ;D

I'm not sure if I'm okay with the "Founders" name for Gen Z. I mean they haven't really found anything. Homelanders can fit for late millennials like me too. My childhood was basically 9/11, Afghanistan War, Iraq War etc. (although I do remember a time where this wasn't the norm)  So I'm not sure if it fits for 2001+ borns, I mean ISIS doesn't even come close to Iraq war levels bad yet.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: TheKid99 on 12/13/15 at 2:34 pm

I meant I remembered most of the things from 2005 on, but I was not saying I was a Millennial. I know I am Gen Z but I do remember the Great Recession from 2007-2009, I remember being in my third grade classroom watching President Obama's inauguration in 2009. I remember our house plummeting in value from $275,000 to $180,000 in a span of three years, knew alot of my friends whose parents had to foreclose. I knew Bush was not well liked but I don't think I ever knew about those videos or phrases. I remember Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Wilma, Ike, Gustav, Bill, Earl, Irene and Sandy very well because I was a weather obsessed kid who watched the Weather Channel 24/7 and Hurricane Ike hit our area with hurricane force winds and we didn't have power for four days. Im not saying I am a Millennial(We could argue on my older brothers who were born in 96' and 97' but I think they are early Gen Z) but I know I am Gen Z.  I also disagree with the new name that MTV made for us... The Founders???? What has our generation founded yet??

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: musicguy93 on 12/13/15 at 7:33 pm


I meant I remembered most of the things from 2005 on, but I was not saying I was a Millennial. I know I am Gen Z but I do remember the Great Recession from 2007-2009, I remember being in my third grade classroom watching President Obama's inauguration in 2009. I remember our house plummeting in value from $275,000 to $180,000 in a span of three years, knew alot of my friends whose parents had to foreclose. I knew Bush was not well liked but I don't think I ever knew about those videos or phrases. I remember Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Wilma, Ike, Gustav, Bill, Earl, Irene and Sandy very well because I was a weather obsessed kid who watched the Weather Channel 24/7 and Hurricane Ike hit our area with hurricane force winds and we didn't have power for four days. Im not saying I am a Millennial(We could argue on my older brothers who were born in 96' and 97' but I think they are early Gen Z) but I know I am Gen Z.  I also disagree with the new name that MTV made for us... The Founders???? What has our generation founded yet??


Honestly, you can't really trust anything MTV says nowadays. I mean, they gave Laci Green her own freaking show (on youtube, but it's still a huge mistake). If that isn't a sign of MTV's lack of sanity, I don't know what is.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Zelek2 on 12/14/15 at 3:11 pm

The way Goldman Sachs splits up the generations is in-line with much of this thread.
http://www.today.com/series/holidays-made-easy/buying-bit-too-much-yourself-holiday-heres-how-cut-back-t59391

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/14/15 at 4:52 pm


I like the name and it makes sense since generations are becoming more diverse and socially accepting. However my favorite is probably Homelanders because it represents the generation that never knew a world where the U.S wasn't at war with someone, when the economy was stable, and life before technology started to consume us like today. Most people who are fans of the Homelanders name typically start the generation in or around 2001, and if you apply all of those things I mentioned above, most 2001 babies would only have a vague recollection of the things I mentioned


I agree. I  say one day when the Z generation are defined much better in the future, the names Homeland and Plurals will absolutely describe them.


I think I'll have to rep for the 92/93/94 borns and say we came of age when Obama was still a very popular president  ;D actually, his net approval rating is pretty much zero, but much higher among youth, so I'm not sure if even younger (1995-97 aka current voting age) people dislike him all that much. I can see where you're getting at with the antiestablishment political streak though. I think it has more to do with the Trayvon Martin shootings and Citizens United ruling, which would make it a more contemporary movement in general and not just a late millennial thing. I mean, it's not exactly 1992-1998 borns lining up to Trump and Cruz rallies lol. Most young Republicans would probably be in Rand/Ron Paul camp.

I'm not sure if I'm okay with the "Founders" name for Gen Z. I mean they haven't really found anything. Homelanders can fit for late millennials like me too. My childhood was basically 9/11, Afghanistan War, Iraq War etc. (although I do remember a time where this wasn't the norm)  So I'm not sure if it fits for 2001+ borns, I mean ISIS doesn't even come close to Iraq war levels bad yet.


I say the people in our age range are in between both political parties or independent. The reason is that it's becoming difficult on who should be president after Obama leaves. Right now, we have people saying that Bernie should be elected as he has good intentions and would lead the country much better than Hillary; however, some others have said that his polices are outdated and shouldn't be elected. Hillary would have been a great candidate to elect for president; however, after seeing on the news regarding her issues about the email and the attacks, now people are hoping that she doesn't be president. Then we have Trump (who clearly shouldn't be president), Carson, Jeb, Cruz and Rubio who all on the Republican side. After hearing about their ideas about what they are going to to when they are elected, they shouldn't be either as they could bring down the country in some way. Next year will be a tough election on who to vote for.

I agree, they shouldn't be called that as there was already a founding generation of which who were the first generation of the U.S. and that they haven't found anything to begin with. I say the best names for that generation are Plurals and Digital Natives as they describe them being very diverse and that they are tech addicts.


I meant I remembered most of the things from 2005 on, but I was not saying I was a Millennial. I know I am Gen Z but I do remember the Great Recession from 2007-2009, I remember being in my third grade classroom watching President Obama's inauguration in 2009. I remember our house plummeting in value from $275,000 to $180,000 in a span of three years, knew alot of my friends whose parents had to foreclose. I knew Bush was not well liked but I don't think I ever knew about those videos or phrases. I remember Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Wilma, Ike, Gustav, Bill, Earl, Irene and Sandy very well because I was a weather obsessed kid who watched the Weather Channel 24/7 and Hurricane Ike hit our area with hurricane force winds and we didn't have power for four days. Im not saying I am a Millennial(We could argue on my older brothers who were born in 96' and 97' but I think they are early Gen Z) but I know I am Gen Z.  I also disagree with the new name that MTV made for us... The Founders???? What has our generation founded yet??


Well you could be considered a Millennial in the future. Right now, the generation somehow begins at 1995, but it should really start with 2001 as that's the first year in the 21st century and as OF pointed out that they don't remember a time before rapid technology, no wars or when the economy was decent.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/14/15 at 9:07 pm


I think I'll have to rep for the 92/93/94 borns and say we came of age when Obama was still a very popular president  ;D actually, his net approval rating is pretty much zero, but much higher among youth, so I'm not sure if even younger (1995-97 aka current voting age) people dislike him all that much. I can see where you're getting at with the antiestablishment political streak though. I think it has more to do with the Trayvon Martin shootings and Citizens United ruling, which would make it a more contemporary movement in general and not just a late millennial thing. I mean, it's not exactly 1992-1998 borns lining up to Trump and Cruz rallies lol. Most young Republicans would probably be in Rand/Ron Paul camp.

@99kid - it's one thing to "remember" it,  I mean I remember 1999 when Clinton was president and he loved two people at the same time but I love my mom and my dad at the same time so what the hell's the big deal? I think if you didn't utter the words "F Bush" or "Cheney has 6 letters in his name for a reason" or didn't jam it out to American Idiot by Green Day then your millennial credentials are a bit iffy. Also anyone else remember this "Time to bomb Saddam" flash video going around in the early 2000s? https://youtu.be/SBKWQ41dpVc ;D

I'm not sure if I'm okay with the "Founders" name for Gen Z. I mean they haven't really found anything. Homelanders can fit for late millennials like me too. My childhood was basically 9/11, Afghanistan War, Iraq War etc. (although I do remember a time where this wasn't the norm)  So I'm not sure if it fits for 2001+ borns, I mean ISIS doesn't even come close to Iraq war levels bad yet.


Honestly I would go as far and say that having a vivid memory of the Bush Years such as, his initial public disdain in 2000-2001, his surge in popularity post 9/11, and his downfall in most of his second term, are pretty key events to have to be considered a Millennial. Especially since he was the POTUS during when Millennials were Kids, Tweens, Teens, and some young adults.


I agree. I  say one day when the Z generation are defined much better in the future, the names Homeland and Plurals will absolutely describe them.

I say the people in our age range are in between both political parties or independent. The reason is that it's becoming difficult on who should be president after Obama leaves. Right now, we have people saying that Bernie should be elected as he has good intentions and would lead the country much better than Hillary; however, some others have said that his polices are outdated and shouldn't be elected. Hillary would have been a great candidate to elect for president; however, after seeing on the news regarding her issues about the email and the attacks, now people are hoping that she doesn't be president. Then we have Trump (who clearly shouldn't be president), Carson, Jeb, Cruz and Rubio who all on the Republican side. After hearing about their ideas about what they are going to to when they are elected, they shouldn't be either as they could bring down the country in some way. Next year will be a tough election on who to vote for.

I agree, they shouldn't be called that as there was already a founding generation of which who were the first generation of the U.S. and that they haven't found anything to begin with. I say the best names for that generation are Plurals and Digital Natives as they describe them being very diverse and that they are tech addicts.

Well you could be considered a Millennial in the future. Right now, the generation somehow begins at 1995, but it should really start with 2001 as that's the first year in the 21st century and as OF pointed out that they don't remember a time before rapid technology, no wars or when the economy was decent.


Yep, these generational marks seem to change over time. Heck theres this post I saw a couple of months ago of people suggesting Gen Y Should begin in 1974, 1975 or 1976! This was back in 2004, and I think we could all agree that 74'-76' borns are the basically the epitome of Gen X.

http://bornin1976.tribe.net/thread/8cbe9788-9bd6-4244-b787-c6da6d34146d

Hence why when I see articles saying that Gen Z began in 1994, 1995, or 1996 I take it with a grain of salt

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ArcticFox on 01/10/16 at 9:03 am

Generation X: 1965-1981
Millennials: 1982-2001
Homelanders: 2002-present

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: 2001 on 01/10/16 at 10:28 am

I've been thinking about it and when I think of the old definition, I think "Millennials" came to refer to the teens and twentysomethings of 2008, with Obama getting elected and the whole youth culture around it. That would be 1979 - 1994, which actually *was*  the original definition of Gen Y. The core being the really young ones who could actually vote for him and were probably on a college campus at the time (18 - 24), that would be 1984 - 1990.

But '79 and '80 seem to be Gen X years to most people now, and that definition definitely feels to restrictive; it's not like the youth culture that peddled the Obama movement lived and died in 2008. It seems you get a much better definition if you stratify to people who are twentysomethings while Obama is in office. That would be basically 1981 - 1996, and throw '97'/'98, the legal adults under Obama as cusp.

Idk, maybe it's because it feels weird to call 2001 a Gen Y year. Someone from that year would probably have more in common with my sister born 2005. She even asked me what 9/11 was after the Paris attacks, that's a pretty Gen Z thing to say LOL.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/10/16 at 12:30 pm


I've been thinking about it and when I think of the old definition, I think "Millennials" came to refer to the teens and twentysomethings of 2008, with Obama getting elected and the whole youth culture around it. That would be 1979 - 1994, which actually *was*  the original definition of Gen Y. The core being the really young ones who could actually vote for him and were probably on a college campus at the time (18 - 24), that would be 1984 - 1990.

But '79 and '80 seem to be Gen X years to most people now, and that definition definitely feels to restrictive; it's not like the youth culture that peddled the Obama movement lived and died in 2008. It seems you get a much better definition if you stratify to people who are twentysomethings while Obama is in office. That would be basically 1981 - 1996, and throw '97'/'98, the legal adults under Obama as cusp.

Idk, maybe it's because it feels weird to call 2001 a Gen Y year. Someone from that year would probably have more in common with my sister born 2005. She even asked me what 9/11 was after the Paris attacks, that's a pretty Gen Z thing to say LOL.


I agree with this 100%

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/10/16 at 1:22 pm


Generation X: 1965-1981
Millennials: 1982-2001
Homelanders: 2002-present


Yeah this seems pretty legit

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: The Burger King on 01/10/16 at 3:29 pm

I do not believe in the "generation cutoff points". I don't think a year or two will mean a lot when it comes to differences, and I think that birth years could be skewed and sometimes not be the best way to go by. For example, someone made Gen Y 1981-1996. The experiences of someone born in 1981 will be drastically different to that of someone born in 1996. However, the differences between someone born in 1996 and 2011 would just be as drastic of a difference. In reality, it's only a gradual change, regardless of where one puts the cutoff point at.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: muppethammer26 on 01/10/16 at 3:52 pm

For the late 90s babies, people sometimes group them with the other millennials from the rest of the 90s and most of the 80s, other times people put them in the same generation as the 2000s/2010s babies. I personally consider those late 90s babies millennials, making the people born in the 90s completely millennial.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: 2001 on 01/10/16 at 4:09 pm


I do not believe in the "generation cutoff points". I don't think a year or two will mean a lot when it comes to differences, and I think that birth years could be skewed and sometimes not be the best way to go by. For example, someone made Gen Y 1981-1996. The experiences of someone born in 1981 will be drastically different to that of someone born in 1996. However, the differences between someone born in 1996 and 2011 would just be as drastic of a difference. In reality, it's only a gradual change, regardless of where one puts the cutoff point at.



The experiences are different, but childhood is not really relevant here. It's more about how they behave when they're adults, and when it comes to 1981 borns and 1996 borns, we know at the very least that Obamamania is a common theme

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html?_r=0

Not surprising, given that Millennials grew up with (Bush 41), Clinton, Bush 43, and then Obama in that order.

We also know marketers like to divide them up as well, with Millennials known for being poor and stingy while Boomers tend to have more money than they know what to do with, so if I was adveritising a vacation to Australia, I'd probably concentrate on older demographics. On the other hand, if I were making a video game or other tech product, Millennials are the way to go. You're right in that it's not so clear-cut, and people have also have varied personalities that go beyond whatever generation they're in, but I think you can find some common patters, like the voting records suggest.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 01/10/16 at 5:45 pm

Anybody born near the supposed threshold between two generations is naturally going to share plenty of traits with both.  James Rolfe, born in 1980, for example, was ahead of Generation X in a lot of ways because of his ongoing love of the Super Nintendo and pioneering role in YouTube, but his musical tastes are predominantly hard rock bands from the 70s, 80s, and early 90s; he hates the type of pop music people associate with millennials and certainly hasn't come out as a nu-metal fan, either.  Generations are really better described as focal points of cultural influence, rather than cliques that you're simply either a part of or not.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ralfy on 01/10/16 at 6:45 pm

It's probably not so much traits as the content of the pop culture during teenage years that characterizes each generation.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 01/10/16 at 6:54 pm


I've been thinking about it and when I think of the old definition, I think "Millennials" came to refer to the teens and twentysomethings of 2008, with Obama getting elected and the whole youth culture around it. That would be 1979 - 1994, which actually *was*  the original definition of Gen Y. The core being the really young ones who could actually vote for him and were probably on a college campus at the time (18 - 24), that would be 1984 - 1990.

I was also technically a teen when Obama got elected.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: The Burger King on 01/10/16 at 6:55 pm


Anybody born near the supposed threshold between two generations is naturally going to share plenty of traits with both.  James Rolfe, born in 1980, for example, was ahead of Generation X in a lot of ways because of his ongoing love of the Super Nintendo and pioneering role in YouTube, but his musical tastes are predominantly hard rock bands from the 70s, 80s, and early 90s; he hates the type of pop music people associate with millennials and certainly hasn't come out as a nu-metal fan, either.  Generations are really better described as focal points of cultural influence, rather than cliques that you're simply either a part of or not.


I agree 100%. Like what I said before, it's all a gradual change.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/10/16 at 7:06 pm

IMHO, these are the cups for each generation

Silent Generation/Boomers: 1940-1945
Boomers/Gen X: 1961-1964
Gen X/Gen Y: 1977-1984, possibly even up to 1986
Gen Y/Gen Z: 1994-2000

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: 2001 on 01/10/16 at 7:08 pm


I was also technically a teen when Obama got elected.


Oh true. I meant high school age so early '95 would probably be included in the "old" definition. It's not the definition I agree with though.


Anybody born near the supposed threshold between two generations is naturally going to share plenty of traits with both.  James Rolfe, born in 1980, for example, was ahead of Generation X in a lot of ways because of his ongoing love of the Super Nintendo and pioneering role in YouTube, but his musical tastes are predominantly hard rock bands from the 70s, 80s, and early 90s; he hates the type of pop music people associate with millennials and certainly hasn't come out as a nu-metal fan, either.  Generations are really better described as focal points of cultural influence, rather than cliques that you're simply either a part of or not.


I agree with you on pop culture influence stuff, but I think some adulthood life would matter too, no? At least that's the thing most marketers or demographers would be interested in.

Baby boomers = people who are about to go into retirement, which will have a huge effect on the workforce. A lot of them also lost their savings in the Great Recession and are about to go into retirement with absolutely nothing saved, creating a retirement crisis.

Generation X = the "sandwich generation" stuck in between taking care of their elderly parents and their young kids. They're spread really thin. Usually in middle management of most companies, but not at the top because the top is still occupied with old Boomers who refuse to retire because they haven't saved up.

Millennials = those mostly still fresh out of university or just finding their place in the job market; also includes people who've been somewhat established for a while now. They're racked by student debt and keep delaying the rites of passage of adulthood such as owning a house or owning a car. Usually working poor-paying jobs despite being well educated. They work at lower rungs of most companies. On the oher hand, the huge tech startup culture is lead almost entirely by Millennials. More likely to want to break traditions and usher in new ones, but that seems to be a youth thing in general.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 01/10/16 at 7:25 pm

I agree with you on pop culture influence stuff, but I think some adulthood life would matter too, no? At least that's the thing most marketers or demographers would be interested in.

Well, people born around the very beginning of Generation Y would have graduated from high school amidst the Dot Com bubble and thus would have relied on the Internet for work than Gen-X'ers, though they wouldn't be quite as savvy with social media as young millennials and Z'ers.  I think the first two decades of somebody's life is particularly pivotal in shaping their place in the generation cycle because it's during this period where they develop their understanding of how the world works and what they perceive of it.  Usually, these influences stick with somebody for life.  What happens afterwards is a matter of history.  Generation X's arc, for one thing, is still incomplete, since they're only just entering middle age and won't be the "elder" class for at least a couple more decades.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ArcticFox on 01/10/16 at 7:25 pm


It's probably not so much traits as the content of the pop culture during teenage years that characterizes each generation.


There's more to a person's life than just their teenage years.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 01/10/16 at 7:28 pm


There's more to a person's life than just their teenage years.

Agreed!

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ArcticFox on 01/10/16 at 7:36 pm


We also know marketers like to divide them up as well, with Millennials known for being poor and stingy while Boomers tend to have more money than they know what to do with, so if I was adveritising a vacation to Australia, I'd probably concentrate on older demographics. On the other hand, if I were making a video game or other tech product, Millennials are the way to go. You're right in that it's not so clear-cut, and people have also have varied personalities that go beyond whatever generation they're in, but I think you can find some common patters, like the voting records suggest.


It's more than just that. I agree with the vacation thing, but I think almost all Millennials are past their video gaming days. Video games are mostly a thing made for middle schoolers (peak video gaming years). Also music is typically aimed at the 14-24 age range. Movies and television typically have wider appeal. Your favorite movie and television show can come out when you're 40. There does tend to be a "minimal age limit". A show like Friends or Sienfeld, or a more modern example, Two Broke Girls, tends to want a 14 or 15 year old at the youngest and goes up by several years.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: #Infinity on 01/10/16 at 7:43 pm


It's more than just that. I agree with the vacation thing, but I think almost all Millennials are past their video gaming days. Video games are mostly a thing made for middle schoolers (peak video gaming years).


You do realize that the average gamer today is like 35 years old?  This isn't the late 80s.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/10/16 at 8:06 pm


You do realize that the average gamer today is like 35 years old?  This isn't the late 80s.


My grandpa says that culture has been in the gutter for 30 years and that we've been stuck in the year 1980 ever since.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: 2001 on 01/10/16 at 9:11 pm


It's more than just that. I agree with the vacation thing, but I think almost all Millennials are past their video gaming days. Video games are mostly a thing made for middle schoolers (peak video gaming years). Also music is typically aimed at the 14-24 age range. Movies and television typically have wider appeal. Your favorite movie and television show can come out when you're 40. There does tend to be a "minimal age limit". A show like Friends or Sienfeld, or a more modern example, Two Broke Girls, tends to want a 14 or 15 year old at the youngest and goes up by several years.


No way Jose. People my age and the 80s borns are still playing video games. You might not think it if you browse this forum because we like to hate modern things ( ;D), but the vast majority of Millennials still buy video games. The average age range on NeoGAF is easily 20-40 year olds, especially people in their late 20s/early 30s. Actually, one of my profs born in the sometime in the 70s (he was in university in 1997 is all I know) still plays video games. He even recommended me a book, "Masters of Doom", a book interviewing the developers of Doom basically. Even late Gen X is into video games.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ralfy on 01/11/16 at 6:19 pm


There's more to a person's life than just their teenage years.


When it comes to defining generations, pop culture is usually the first thing that is mentioned. In fact, that appears to be the main point of this board.

And when one looks at older generations, the period in which pop culture has much influence involves teenage years.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ArcticFox on 01/11/16 at 6:22 pm


And when one looks at older generations, the period in which pop culture has much influence involves teenage years.


But it doesn't exclusively involve the teenage years like you say it does.

Subject: Re: Can somebody explain the whole "Generation X/Y/Z" to me?

Written By: ralfy on 01/12/16 at 11:31 pm


But it doesn't exclusively involve the teenage years like you say it does.


It has much influence over the definition, as seen in this forum.

If we use other indicators, then definitions of each generation will vary across various countries.

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