Speaking of Duggan...here is his Toker Buddy  the Iron Shiek.


Heh heh. Good call, Harmonica.  ;D

I don't think we realise how much this guy got pushed in the early/mid 80s (a well-known fact is that Hulk Hogan beat him for the WWF title in a rather lacklustre match). He won the tag titles from the US Express at Wrestlemania 1, did quite well in the battle royal at Wrestlemania 2, won a tag match at Wrestlemania 3 (albeit disqualification) and then comes back as Col Mustapha (of course, he wasn't that much of a wrestler), leaves and then comes back at Wrestlemania 17 to win the gimmick battle royal!

He hasn't done bad.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/sgtslaughter/12.jpg


How about when General Adnan teamed with Iron Sheik & spoke such jibberish,it was hard to understand him.I thought he was really Iranian.Do you also believe Iron Sheik's accent?  ;D



Howard

Heh heh. Good call, Harmonica.  ;D

I don't think we realise how much this guy got pushed in the early/mid 80s (a well-known fact is that Hulk Hogan beat him for the WWF title in a rather lacklustre match). He won the tag titles from the US Express at Wrestlemania 1, did quite well in the battle royal at Wrestlemania 2, won a tag match at Wrestlemania 3 (albeit disqualification) and then comes back as Col Mustapha (of course, he wasn't that much of a wrestler), leaves and then comes back at Wrestlemania 17 to win the gimmick battle royal!

He hasn't done bad.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/i/ironshiek/06.jpg


I don't think Iron Sheik was Iranian.He must've been some NYC shmoo and trying to be a convincing heel. ;D


Howard

On the Contrary the Irong Sheik is Iranian in real life.  1968 Olympian in Freestyle Wrestling for the Iranian Olympic team.

If they were Amateurs before they were pro's, in wrestling, I know all about them.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/sgtslaughter/12.jpg

How about when General Adnan teamed with Iron Sheik & spoke such jibberish,it was hard to understand him.I thought he was really Iranian.Do you also believe Iron Sheik's accent?  ;D


Yes, and Sgt Slaughter nodded in agreement with what he was saying! So funny. I don't think the WWE deal in that kind of humour these days (reminiscent to the wonderful teaming of Ric Flair, Mr Perfect and Bobby Heenan - a true stroke of genius in 1992).

Yes, and Sgt Slaughter nodded in agreement with what he was saying! So funny. I don't think the WWE deal in that kind of humour these days (reminiscent to the wonderful teaming of Ric Flair, Mr Perfect and Bobby Heenan - a true stroke of genius in 1992).



But Was General Adnan really Iranian or was that his gimmick?



Howard

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bolshivics/01.jpg


Who remembers The Bolshevicks? I miss The Russians these days. ;D



Howard

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bolshivics/01.jpg


Who remembers The Bolshevicks? I miss The Russians these days. ;D


That is one team that looked the part but were really awful (I could never understand why Nikolai Volkoff was wrestling for so long? Especially when he used that stupid turning kick all the time). I loved it when The Hart Foundation beat The Bolsheviks at Wrestlemania 6 in, how long? I think it was about 20 or 30 seconds.  ;D

Nikolia was a decent wrestler...and he wrestled so long because well it was his life and he was good at it.

Now Boris Zukov on the other hand didn't last to long.

Astute informative, and generally unbiased and correct.

You wanna make a wrestling website with me?

seriously

Wrestling thrives on storylines. Most were simple but they were storylines nonetheless. The feud between The Bossman and The Mountie was at least relevant (two areas of law enforcement face off against each other - looking at it more deeply America V Canada). The Jailhouse match at Summerslam was awful but the vignettes that occurred during the P-P-V was funny and showed one of it's daring scenes at the time when The Mountie was stuck in a cell with another prisoner. That was cheeky though and wasn't raunchy IMO.

I didn't see the part where HHH was pretending to screw a corpse. How wrong is that!?! What I find ironic is these people you say are trying to be 'normal', Harmonica, by following mob mentality has opted to go for the necrophilia option instead.  ;D


Man oh Man... was that ever funny...

...the Mountie was one under-rated Canadian wrestler.

Astute informative, and generally unbiased and correct.

You wanna make a wrestling website with me?

seriously


Whoopsl this was an assesment of comments made by Howard (I think) about page 5 or 6 on the steroid scandle, Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels/Stone Cold/Vince, and the changing of the demogrphics of wrestling.

You might be interested to know that Bertha Faye (before hitting the WWE) was a amazing power wrestler from Calgary, Alberta.  Within two months of being trained for wrestling and shipped to Japan promotion All-Japan.

When she hit the WWE her moves were taken (no more power moves as they were used by the men) and she was quite frustrated.  The fact that she won the title in Japan in five months speaks volumes for how she learned.  She learned everything in wrestling the hard way.

But she made it, and in Japan no less.

Unfortunately she passed away in Calgary a few years ago.

Trust me, she was more than she appeared when she hit North America.  She was just not given any chances, not unlike most women wrestlers.

Link: http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosS/sing_rhonda_01jan-can.html

You might be interested to know that Bertha Faye (before hitting the WWE) was a amazing power wrestler from Calgary, Alberta.  Within two months of being trained for wrestling and shipped to Japan promotion All-Japan.

When she hit the WWE her moves were taken (no more power moves as they were used by the men) and she was quite frustrated.  The fact that she won the title in Japan in five months speaks volumes for how she learned.  She learned everything in wrestling the hard way.

But she made it, and in Japan no less.

Unfortunately she passed away in Calgary a few years ago.

Trust me, she was more than she appeared when she hit North America.  She was just not given any chances, not unlike most women wrestlers.

Link: http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosS/sing_rhonda_01jan-can.html


Thanks for the info, Canuck.  :)

Faye did not fit the usually demographic for women's wrestling and I suppose the WWF had to punish her for it. Judging by what I have read, I would love to have seen her wrestling in Japan.

Man oh Man... was that ever funny...

...the Mountie was one under-rated Canadian wrestler.


;D

The Mountie wrestled as part of The Rougeau Brothers (he was Jacques) and couldn't shift the Canadian theme after they split in 1990. I think he was the quickest of a row of people to beat Tito Santana at a Wrestlemania (7) but that was due to the use of his cattleprod after about a minute of chasing around.

;D

The Mountie wrestled as part of The Rougeau Brothers (he was Jacques) and couldn't shift the Canadian theme after they split in 1990. I think he was the quickest of a row of people to beat Tito Santana at a Wrestlemania (7) but that was due to the use of his cattleprod after about a minute of chasing around.


I feel like such a s**t not realizing it was a Rougeau... and I claim to be a Canuck  :D.  Did he have a fruity little mustache?

The way I watch wrestling has been intermittent for most of my life, with the exception being my early childhood.  Being from Calgary, Alberta, Canada it really has been a struggle to completely escape beng affected by what has been going on before and after Montreal.

Speaking of which, once again, I can't believe I didn't rearealize was a Rougeau.   ;D

Lately I have been reading a lot of of history for a website that I am considering creating.

Thus, I was looking up female champions, specifically the history of the generations of champions and their contribution, which lead me to this thread. Which completely sidetracked me because I am one of those that turn the channel when the story begins and the wrestling ends.

Question for you all

what do you think of the lightweight belt?

I don't like it.....lightweights can win the Heavyweight but heavyweight can't win the light weight...Don't like that

;D

The Mountie wrestled as part of The Rougeau Brothers (he was Jacques) and couldn't shift the Canadian theme after they split in 1990. I think he was the quickest of a row of people to beat Tito Santana at a Wrestlemania (7) but that was due to the use of his cattleprod after about a minute of chasing around.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/j/jacquesrougeau/12.jpg


Well,he did have some good feuds with The Big Boss Man,Sgt.Slaughter,Tito Santana,Greg Valentine,and Bret Hart.
I always wondered if that shockstick was real?  ;D


Howard

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/b/bradshaw/04.jpg


Now compare Bradshaw's old gimmick to now.Which would you prefer? ;D


Howard

Question for you all

what do you think of the lightweight belt?

I don't like it.....lightweights can win the Heavyweight but heavyweight can't win the light weight...Don't like that


I never cared much for it. To me, the lightweight title has about as much credibility as did the European and Hardcore titles, which wasn't much, in my book -- at least in the later years of their existance.

Howard - Facial hair makes you look older don't it?  I notice that about Billy Gunn and JBL.

Howard - Facial hair makes you look older don't it?  I notice that about Billy Gunn and JBL.



yes like in this 1994 pic with Smoking Gunns. ;D


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/smokinggunns/03.jpg

Howard

Question for you all

what do you think of the lightweight belt?

I don't like it.....lightweights can win the Heavyweight but heavyweight can't win the light weight...Don't like that


When the Monday Wight Wars were taking place I found myself, for the first time, watching WCW.  The reason was exclusively the lightweights.

The reason it has no credibility in the WWE is because they don't commit any time to bringing more cruiserweights out, besides the handful that they have flimsy storylines around.  Using Ultimo Dragon as a jobber is a crime. Missing out on Psychosis and other incredible performers, if unspectacular physical specimens, because your taking away time from big guys to me doesn't make sense.

While borderline heavyweights like Eddie Guererro and Chris Beniot have gotten major pushes lately I don't think there is a chance in heck that they will be switching the titles between themselves, HHH, and Orton over the next five years. More than likely they will be going around the route of 'ol Chris Jericho, never to see a title again.

I find it hard to care myself when Spike Dudley, no offense intended to those that like him, is the pinnacle of the division. He may have a decent presence but give me a luchador anyday.

I feel like such a s**t not realizing it was a Rougeau... and I claim to be a Canuck  :D.  Did he have a fruity little mustache?

The way I watch wrestling has been intermittent for most of my life, with the exception being my early childhood.  Being from Calgary, Alberta, Canada it really has been a struggle to completely escape beng affected by what has been going on before and after Montreal.

Speaking of which, once again, I can't believe I didn't rearealize was a Rougeau.   ;D

Lately I have been reading a lot of of history for a website that I am considering creating.

Thus, I was looking up female champions, specifically the history of the generations of champions and their contribution, which lead me to this thread. Which completely sidetracked me because I am one of those that turn the channel when the story begins and the wrestling ends.


Ha ha! No worries. I have been watching wrestling for a long time (getting on for 15 years) and I get my facts wrong or don't realise things either.

It was Raymond Rougeau that had 'the fruity little moustache'.  ;D What a lot of people don't realise is that they were faces before they quickly turned to heels.

When the Monday Wight Wars were taking place I found myself, for the first time, watching WCW.  The reason was exclusively the lightweights.

The reason it has no credibility in the WWE is because they don't commit any time to bringing more cruiserweights out, besides the handful that they have flimsy storylines around.  Using Ultimo Dragon as a jobber is a crime. Missing out on Psychosis and other incredible performers, if unspectacular physical specimens, because your taking away time from big guys to me doesn't make sense.

While borderline heavyweights like Eddie Guererro and Chris Beniot have gotten major pushes lately I don't think there is a chance in heck that they will be switching the titles between themselves, HHH, and Orton over the next five years. More than likely they will be going around the route of 'ol Chris Jericho, never to see a title again.

I find it hard to care myself when Spike Dudley, no offense intended to those that like him, is the pinnacle of the division. He may have a decent presence but give me a luchador anyday.


I agree with everything said, Canuck. The main reason I started watching WCW Nitro was that I managed to catch a 6 man dance full of lucha libre-style wrestlers (of the ones I remember, La Parka, Blitzkreig and Psychosis). It lasted about half an hour and it was absolutely brilliant.

The way the WWE have used Ultimo Dragon is like placing Hulk Hogan in the first match of a Wrestlemania!!!!  :o

Spike Dudley was much better in ECW (like a lot of the wrestlers that made the transition - including Rob Van Dam!). I saw Spike get thrown through about 4 or 5 tables in one match against Mike Awesome - boy did he earn his money back then.  ;D

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/spikedudley/13.jpg


Whatever became of this version of Spike Dudley?
What about their dorky glasses? ;D



Howard

Ha ha! No worries. I have been watching wrestling for a long time (getting on for 15 years) and I get my facts wrong or don't realise things either.

It was Raymond Rougeau that had 'the fruity little moustache'.  ;D What a lot of people don't realise is that they were faces before they quickly turned to heels.



http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/p/pierreoulette/21.jpg

remember when they broke up in the early 90's and then you had Pierre The Pirate? ;D



Howard

I remember Jean Pieree Lifiet spelling is way off but he had a few moments. He had a fued with Bret Hart where he stole the Hitman's jacket and had to pay the price by submitting to the sharpshooter.  I always admired Bret Hart whether it was Ric Flair or some meaningless Jobber Bret could always sell a fued.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/s/spikedudley/13.jpg


Whatever became of this version of Spike Dudley?
What about their dorky glasses? ;D


I've got Summerslam on as we speak and I had to laugh at what they are trying to do to Spike Dudley. They are making him leader of the Dudley Boys acting as some kind of 'little leader'. That would never happen in ECW!

I agree with everything said, Canuck. The main reason I started watching WCW Nitro was that I managed to catch a 6 man dance full of lucha libre-style wrestlers (of the ones I remember, La Parka, Blitzkreig and Psychosis). It lasted about half an hour and it was absolutely brilliant.

The way the WWE have used Ultimo Dragon is like placing Hulk Hogan in the first match of a Wrestlemania!!!!  :o

Spike Dudley was much better in ECW (like a lot of the wrestlers that made the transition - including Rob Van Dam!). I saw Spike get thrown through about 4 or 5 tables in one match against Mike Awesome - boy did he earn his money back then.  ;D


I was only able to catch Britzkreig a few times when he first entered the WCW.  I was really impressed by his speed but as far as I can tell he dropped off the face of North America after the companies were bought out.

As for ECW... I caught it quite late.  I think my first PPV was when RVD did the Van Terminator (?!) for the first time. My buds, who are insane wrestling fans most likely because their last name is Hart (coincedence), told me about 100 times what I was missing.  Overall I was pretty damn impressed that day.

Speaking of earning your money, I was watching a wrestling video from a federation I can't quite remember.  The main reason I am bringing it up is because they were throwing each other on flouresent lights and in one instance New Jack and threw some fat guy 75-100 feet onto a collection of tables in the ring. He missed them all but three, bounced off them, and hung himself up in the ropes.  I really wish I could explain it better or have more information but it is, by far, the most unreal thing I have ever watched.

If that was me...

... they could keep their damn money  :D

TALK ABOUT BAD LUCK  - We have an independent show not more than 6 miles away from my hometown. It's called IPW Impact Pro Wrestling. I'm moving Thursday to attend college 6 hours away, and I get informed that they are going to have one of my all time Favorite Wrestlers come in for a show, Marty Jannetty. This sucks...cause I highly doubt that I'll be able to come home that weekend.

As for ECW... I caught it quite late.  I think my first PPV was when RVD did the Van Terminator (?!) for the first time. My buds, who are insane wrestling fans most likely because their last name is Hart (coincedence), told me about 100 times what I was missing.  Overall I was pretty darn impressed that day.

I keep saying it, ECW had more quality in it than WWF and WCW at the time. They were not afraid to throw plot out the window either (whether that was planned or not). My heros are The Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, Rob Van Dam (forget what he is doing in WWE at the moment - it's pitiful), The Dudley Boys (forget what they are doing in WWE at the moment - it's pitiful  ;D) and Jerry Lynn. They were incredible! ECW had a big reputation for garbage matches but they could put on some wonderful classic wrestling matches.

Speaking of earning your money, I was watching a wrestling video from a federation I can't quite remember.  The main reason I am bringing it up is because they were throwing each other on flouresent lights and in one instance New Jack and threw some fat guy 75-100 feet onto a collection of tables in the ring. He missed them all but three, bounced off them, and hung himself up in the ropes.  I really wish I could explain it better or have more information but it is, by far, the most unreal thing I have ever watched.


That reminds me of something I saw on the net a few months back. Vic Grimes (formerly of ECW) got thrown from a top balcony towards some tables, barely missed the tables and landed in the ring ropes! I reckon it was the same thing and, yes, it was one of the most incredible things I have seen as well (beating Mankind's famous fall off the cell back in 1998).

Anyone watch the PPV last night? I avoided purchasing it purely because I knew Orton would win.

He's talented, a good talker, and has the 'old' business in his blood. Moreso, I really have enjoyed watching him wrestle from jump. Problem is, he hasn't put in the time.

Remember when the Heavyweight title meant something? (no offense to champion Brock "I almost killed myself and countless other people in the ring because I can't perfom" Lesner)

Or am I just glossing over the past?

I think a happy medium between the patronizing cartoon characters and the raunchy 'corpse humping' storylines would make me put down my money for a PPV.  Maybe then I will put $40 down.  Until then, I'm watching a taped version so I can ffwd to the action.

TALK ABOUT BAD LUCK  - We have an independent show not more than 6 miles away from my hometown. It's called IPW Impact Pro Wrestling. I'm moving Thursday to attend college 6 hours away, and I get informed that they are going to have one of my all time Favorite Wrestlers come in for a show, Marty Jannetty. This sucks...cause I highly doubt that I'll be able to come home that weekend.


I always liked Janetty. He could out-wrestle most of the guys in the federation today.  He was a solid jobber with some pretty special highlights.  In that sense he reminds me of Brian Blair, does his job and makes people look better than they are because he knows what he is doing.

Riddle me this...

...whose dance step are these?

knife-edge chop, (pulled) punch (holding the chin of his opponent), figure-four leglock, (kick out of a) backslide, upside down running bump into the turnbuckle, land on feet, run to next turnbuckle, get clotheslined on the way, or bump off the top rope holding his opponent’s hair, land on side, get on knees and beg opponent not to hurt him, poke opponent’s eyes, get up, take a few steps forward or backward, face plant. Repeat as necessary, varying steps only slightly.

I always liked Janetty. He could out-wrestle most of the guys in the federation today.  He was a solid jobber with some pretty special highlights.  In that sense he reminds me of Brian Blair, does his job and makes people look better than they are because he knows what he is doing.



He was just as good or better than Shawn. He was supposed to get big pushes and have even a larger fued than what he did with his former Rocker Teammate but he decided that partying, and women were more important than Wrestling, so as a result he left WWE, and when he came back he'd leave again, by the time he realized that he can't do that, McMahon was already in the I won't forgive you stage and had Jannetty job to Steve Austin and Savio Vega a numerous amount of times before making a mockery out of him and teaming him with Al Snow.  Too bad, cause we could of seen another WWE multiple IC Champion, or maybe even a World Belt once or twice. He'd of been one that deserved the belt, unlike so many of todays WWE Champions.



Riddle me this...

...whose dance step are these?

knife-edge chop, (pulled) punch (holding the chin of his opponent), figure-four leglock, (kick out of a) backslide, upside down running bump into the turnbuckle, land on feet, run to next turnbuckle, get clotheslined on the way, or bump off the top rope holding his opponent’s hair, land on side, get on knees and beg opponent not to hurt him, poke opponent’s eyes, get up, take a few steps forward or backward, face plant. Repeat as necessary, varying steps only slightly.


The Nature Boy...Whoo!

He was just as good or better than Shawn. He was supposed to get big pushes and have even a larger fued than what he did with his former Rocker Teammate but he decided that partying, and women were more important than Wrestling, so as a result he left WWE, and when he came back he'd leave again, by the time he realized that he can't do that, McMahon was already in the I won't forgive you stage and had Jannetty job to Steve Austin and Savio Vega a numerous amount of times before making a mockery out of him and teaming him with Al Snow.  Too bad, cause we could of seen another WWE multiple IC Champion, or maybe even a World Belt once or twice. He'd of been one that deserved the belt, unlike so many of todays WWE Champions.

I liked Marty and, as part of the old Rockers, did great things with Shawn but I don't consider him to be a title-holder. His 1993 comeback wasn't too bad but I think he came back mid-way through the 90s and would not recover from the travesty of joining with Leif Cassidy (Al Snow) as 'The New Rockers' (any tag-team called 'The New . . .' is a kiss of death before they perform in the ring).

Riddle me this...

...whose dance step are these?

knife-edge chop, (pulled) punch (holding the chin of his opponent), figure-four leglock, (kick out of a) backslide, upside down running bump into the turnbuckle, land on feet, run to next turnbuckle, get clotheslined on the way, or bump off the top rope holding his opponent’s hair, land on side, get on knees and beg opponent not to hurt him, poke opponent’s eyes, get up, take a few steps forward or backward, face plant. Repeat as necessary, varying steps only slightly.

The Nature Boy...Whoo!



Lol. He's been doing that for over 30 years! I loved his 1992 Royal Rumble win after picking number 3.

Anyone watch the PPV last night? I avoided purchasing it purely because I knew Orton would win.

He's talented, a good talker, and has the 'old' business in his blood. Moreso, I really have enjoyed watching him wrestle from jump. Problem is, he hasn't put in the time.

Remember when the Heavyweight title meant something? (no offense to champion Brock "I almost killed myself and countless other people in the ring because I can't perfom" Lesner)

Or am I just glossing over the past?

I think a happy medium between the patronizing cartoon characters and the raunchy 'corpse humping' storylines would make me put down my money for a PPV.  Maybe then I will put $40 down.  Until then, I'm watching a taped version so I can ffwd to the action.


I saw the P-P-V (I won't give away the results - I'm not a spoiler). I can tell you that, for the first time in ages, a mutual handshake occurred after a match! Very good. I don't mind Randy Orton these days (I used to hate him) but Canuck, you are correct, he hasn't put in the time. He is also starting to act a little like The Rock which is discouraging as well.

As for the P-P-V itself, I've seen better but the Kurt Angle V Eddie Guerrero match was good and the main event was excellent. Two questions though, why wasn't Rob Van Dam involved in a major match one the P-P-V? (wrestled Rene Dupree on Heat) and why did we have to endure a pathetic Diva Dodgeball contest?

I saw the P-P-V (I won't give away the results - I'm not a spoiler). I can tell you that, for the first time in ages, a mutual handshake occurred after a match! Very good. I don't mind Randy Orton these days (I used to hate him) but Canuck, you are correct, he hasn't put in the time. He is also starting to act a little like The Rock which is discouraging as well.

As for the P-P-V itself, I've seen better but the Kurt Angle V Eddie Guerrero match was good and the main event was excellent. Two questions though, why wasn't Rob Van Dam involved in a major match one the P-P-V? (wrestled Rene Dupree on Heat) and why did we have to endure a pathetic Diva Dodgeball contest?




I liked Orton from the second he stepped in the ring (okay, so the "Get Well Randy" was ill-conceived and far too long). My worry becomes if they have not put in the time, they have less loyalty to the biz.

Orton could go the way of Rock...

...to Hollywood, which would be a shame.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rockers/01.jpg


Here is a picture of The Rockers 15 years ago when they were popular. :)



Howard

He was just as good or better than Shawn. He was supposed to get big pushes and have even a larger fued than what he did with his former Rocker Teammate but he decided that partying, and women were more important than Wrestling, so as a result he left WWE, and when he came back he'd leave again, by the time he realized that he can't do that, McMahon was already in the I won't forgive you stage and had Jannetty job to Steve Austin and Savio Vega a numerous amount of times before making a mockery out of him and teaming him with Al Snow.  Too bad, cause we could of seen another WWE multiple IC Champion, or maybe even a World Belt once or twice. He'd of been one that deserved the belt, unlike so many of todays WWE Champions.



I do remember him coming back, and that storyline did seem to come to an end rather abruptly.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pic/r/rockers/01.jpg

Here is a picture of The Rockers 15 years ago when they were popular. :)


I reckon The Rockers were trying to imitate WCW's Rock and Roll Express (Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson). However, they were a brilliant imitation so you can't fault the organisation for that.  ;)

I remember The Rockers at the end of 1988 in the big tag bash at Survivor Series (if only the WWE had a rosta half-way like it these days) and Marty Jannetty did a wonderful spin out of a hiptoss - I still haven't seen that done since. Truly brilliant.

I liked Orton from the second he stepped in the ring (okay, so the "Get Well Randy" was ill-conceived and far too long). My worry becomes if they have not put in the time, they have less loyalty to the biz.

Orton could go the way of Rock...

...to Hollywood, which would be a shame.


As much as everyone hates Hogan, at least he tried to juggle two careers at the same time.

As much as everyone hates Hogan, at least he tried to juggle two careers at the same time.


I was always a big sucker for a good gimmick like Hogan, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and JYD when I was younger.

Today, I like cheering for a good heel like when Orton first came out.  I have no trouble cheering for a heel and face in the same match. I guess I should have been born Montreal, or at least in the Toronto crowd at SS.  ;D

I guess they pretty much skewered Untertaker and JBL, as some fans have voiced their frustration in http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=11110, saying the chants of "You Screwed Bret", "Spanish Announce Table", and more distracted their pleasure.  I don't doubt it, but in this case that why I suddenly want to watch it.

We Canadian's, in general,  don't take storylines to heart and basically cheer for who we think has good mic skills and wrestling ability. Angle was always cheered in Montreal no matterj what.  SS reminded me of WM 19 when the crowd overwhelmingly booed Rock and cheered Hogan.

Then it reminded me that in WM XX the Madison crowd absolutley phased Goldberg/Lesner by turning on them.

Have there been any other memorably strange crowd reactions in the last decade.

Don't know about a really strange reaction, but I do remember the Raven/Goldberg match back in WCW for the U.S. Title. There was a section of the match where Raven tried to climb over the guardrail and get away from the match but the crowd pretty much picked him back up and shoved him back in. Heard it might have been planned though...

Kryllith

Don't know about a really strange reaction, but I do remember the Raven/Goldberg match back in WCW for the U.S. Title. There was a section of the match where Raven tried to climb over the guardrail and get away from the match but the crowd pretty much picked him back up and shoved him back in. Heard it might have been planned though...

Kryllith


That kind of stuff happens over in Japan all the time.  I was watching a match between Kensuke Sasuke and Vader and when Vader Tossed Sasuke over the top rope the fans caught him and rolled him back into the ring.

I reckon The Rockers were trying to imitate WCW's Rock and Roll Express (Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson). However, they were a brilliant imitation so you can't fault the organisation for that.  ;)

I remember The Rockers at the end of 1988 in the big tag bash at Survivor Series (if only the WWE had a rosta half-way like it these days) and Marty Jannetty did a wonderful spin out of a hiptoss - I still haven't seen that done since. Truly brilliant.



Or how about when Shawn Michaels threw Marty Jannety threw the barbershop glass plate window 13 years ago? :o
Shawn Michaels automatically got booed.



Howard

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I couldn't believe what happened with Evolution last night.They all went bezerk on Randy Orton.I can see Randy becoming a major babyface by 2005.I hope Bob Orton his father interferes in one of the matches one day.That would be sweet to have Ric Flair and Bob Orton go at it one on one.Then HHH and Batista get their clocks cleaned afterwards. ;D



Howard

I was always a big sucker for a good gimmick like Hogan, Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, and JYD when I was younger.

Today, I like cheering for a good heel like when Orton first came out.  I have no trouble cheering for a heel and face in the same match. I guess I should have been born Montreal, or at least in the Toronto crowd at SS.  ;D

I guess they pretty much skewered Untertaker and JBL, as some fans have voiced their frustration in http://www.liveaudiowrestling.com/wo/news/features/default.asp?aID=11110, saying the chants of "You Screwed Bret", "Spanish Announce Table", and more distracted their pleasure.  I don't doubt it, but in this case that why I suddenly want to watch it.

We Canadian's, in general,  don't take storylines to heart and basically cheer for who we think has good mic skills and wrestling ability. Angle was always cheered in Montreal no matterj what.  SS reminded me of WM 19 when the crowd overwhelmingly booed Rock and cheered Hogan.

Then it reminded me that in WM XX the Madison crowd absolutley phased Goldberg/Lesner by turning on them.

Have there been any other memorably strange crowd reactions in the last decade.


Same here, Canuck. The Honky Tonk Man was one of my favourites purely because they were playing it for laughs.

Thanks for the site reference. I agree with a lot of what was said (though I may have to watch the P-P-V again to get the crowd reaction thing). One thing that was mentioned was Ric Flair swearing at the referee several times - you're a legend, Ric, you've just disgraced yourself!

It's showing that the crowd aren't as stupid as Vince thinks they are.  ::)

Or how about when Shawn Michaels threw Marty Jannety threw the barbershop glass plate window 13 years ago? :o
Shawn Michaels automatically got booed.


That was a big thing back then. I think it was one of the first times the WWF used background surroundings as part of their plot lines.

Don't know about a really strange reaction, but I do remember the Raven/Goldberg match back in WCW for the U.S. Title. There was a section of the match where Raven tried to climb over the guardrail and get away from the match but the crowd pretty much picked him back up and shoved him back in. Heard it might have been planned though...

Kryllith


In ECW, Bam Bam Bigelow picked Spike Dudley up and gorilla pressed him into the crowd. Spike was body-surfed back towards the ring!

That was a big thing back then. I think it was one of the first times the WWF used background surroundings as part of their plot lines.



I thought the plate glass window was real,turns out it was a fake prop.



Howard

Same here, Canuck. The Honky Tonk Man was one of my favourites purely because they were playing it for laughs.

Thanks for the site reference. I agree with a lot of what was said (though I may have to watch the P-P-V again to get the crowd reaction thing). One thing that was mentioned was Ric Flair swearing at the referee several times - you're a legend, Ric, you've just disgraced yourself!

It's showing that the crowd aren't as stupid as Vince thinks they are.  ::)




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I think having Greg Valentine dyed his hair jet black was just a terrible idea.He looked like a moron. ::) :P


Howard

Anybody remember this match? I was in the mid-90s I think, with Shawn Michaels in a match with I THINK Bret Hart. Half way through the match Michaels had just performs some realitive simple move which put Hart out of the ring (clothesline over the ropes, maybe) and then turned around away from Bret and started getting all jacked up, pumping his arms and such. Then he like wobbled a little, reached up to hold his head, and collapsed to the mat. Didn't seem to be any reason for him to do it, and when Bret came into the ring ring he was all over Shawn, trying to get a response from him and, I believe, signalling the EMT's to come down to the ring to get him. There wasn't any reversal that I recall (ie, Shawn wasn't faking to lure Bret in).

Just curious because it's one of the times I can recall when the reality of wrestling is really shown. We see people get all bloody and stuff, but most of the time they just keep fighting it out and going for pinfalls. Bret never even tried to cover Shawn, so it was fairly obvious it wasn't something planned. Obviously other things like this of happen (the death of Owen, for example) but rarely (at least from what I've seen) is it something so mysterious... usually if there's an actual disaster in the ring, we can see the cause.

Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone remembers this, since I can't remember there being any followup story on what happened to Shawn that night...

Kryllith

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I think having Greg Valentine dyed his hair jet black was just a terrible idea.He looked like a moron. ::) :P


I could never understand why the WWF did this to Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine - maybe because he was the most similar looking to Elvis they could find in the locker-room, perhaps? Greg just looked so out-of-place it was ridiculous (especially when 'playing' Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6!

Anybody remember this match? I was in the mid-90s I think, with Shawn Michaels in a match with I THINK Bret Hart. Half way through the match Michaels had just performs some realitive simple move which put Hart out of the ring (clothesline over the ropes, maybe) and then turned around away from Bret and started getting all jacked up, pumping his arms and such. Then he like wobbled a little, reached up to hold his head, and collapsed to the mat. Didn't seem to be any reason for him to do it, and when Bret came into the ring ring he was all over Shawn, trying to get a response from him and, I believe, signalling the EMT's to come down to the ring to get him. There wasn't any reversal that I recall (ie, Shawn wasn't faking to lure Bret in).

Just curious because it's one of the times I can recall when the reality of wrestling is really shown. We see people get all bloody and stuff, but most of the time they just keep fighting it out and going for pinfalls. Bret never even tried to cover Shawn, so it was fairly obvious it wasn't something planned. Obviously other things like this of happen (the death of Owen, for example) but rarely (at least from what I've seen) is it something so mysterious... usually if there's an actual disaster in the ring, we can see the cause.

Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone remembers this, since I can't remember there being any followup story on what happened to Shawn that night...

Kryllith


I haven't seen that (though Bret and Shawn were wrestling each other through the main part of the 90s). It must have been pretty bad because a lot of wrestlers can work through a match while injured (I remember Bret talking about the time he got seriously injured by Dino Bravo but he had to take the punishment because he was such a good seller - Dino didn't have a clue!). I think it would make wrestling more credible to show these rare occassions - it would also be a message to the impressionable youngsters who watch the wrestling (who really shouldn't these days) and then jump onto each other off wardrobes!

We Canadian's, in general,  don't take storylines to heart and basically cheer for who we think has good mic skills and wrestling ability. Angle was always cheered in Montreal no matterj what.  SS reminded me of WM 19 when the crowd overwhelmingly booed Rock and cheered Hogan.

Then it reminded me that in WM XX the Madison crowd absolutley phased Goldberg/Lesner by turning on them.

Have there been any other memorably strange crowd reactions in the last decade.


I was at the Skydome for WMX-8 and I couldn't believe the reaction Hogan received during his match with The Rock. Unreal. I was at Wrestlemania III, as well, and the pop for Hogan when he slammed Andre was nothing compared to the ovation he go during his match with The Rock. What surprised me most was the number of people who left after that match. There were a least a couple of thousand who left...with two matches to go. That card was badly booked from the standpoint of having HHH vs. Jericho last. I know that was the Undisputed title match, but Hogan-Rock was the true main event.

Another strange crowd reaction was HHH vs. a face Scott Steiner, who got booed during last year's Royal Rumble at the FleetCenter in Boston.

Other "strange" crowd reactions:

-- Fans booing a happy-go-lucky babyface Rock ("Rocky Sucks")
-- Fans cheering a cocky, arrogant Rock
-- Fans cheering a ruthless Stone Cold Steve Austin (Around 1997)
-- Fans cheering the "cool heel" NWO

Anybody remember this match? I was in the mid-90s I think, with Shawn Michaels in a match with I THINK Bret Hart. Half way through the match Michaels had just performs some realitive simple move which put Hart out of the ring (clothesline over the ropes, maybe) and then turned around away from Bret and started getting all jacked up, pumping his arms and such. Then he like wobbled a little, reached up to hold his head, and collapsed to the mat. Didn't seem to be any reason for him to do it, and when Bret came into the ring ring he was all over Shawn, trying to get a response from him and, I believe, signalling the EMT's to come down to the ring to get him. There wasn't any reversal that I recall (ie, Shawn wasn't faking to lure Bret in).

Just curious because it's one of the times I can recall when the reality of wrestling is really shown. We see people get all bloody and stuff, but most of the time they just keep fighting it out and going for pinfalls. Bret never even tried to cover Shawn, so it was fairly obvious it wasn't something planned. Obviously other things like this of happen (the death of Owen, for example) but rarely (at least from what I've seen) is it something so mysterious... usually if there's an actual disaster in the ring, we can see the cause.

Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone remembers this, since I can't remember there being any followup story on what happened to Shawn that night...

Kryllith


The most similar occurance I remember to that match was Not Bret Hart Vs Shawn Michaels...but Owen Hart Vs Shawn Michaels. Owen Nailed his pattened Enzenguri to the side of Michaels head and a little while later Michaels just colappsed in the ring.  I remember Owen actually being concerned that he had hurt Michaels, only after finding out that Michaels was going to be ok, he turned it into a gimmick to promote Diesle Vs Owen Hart at the next PPV.

I was at the Skydome for WMX-8 and I couldn't believe the reaction Hogan received during his match with The Rock. Unreal. I was at Wrestlemania III, as well, and the pop for Hogan when he slammed Andre was nothing compared to the ovation he go during his match with The Rock. What surprised me most was the number of people who left after that match. There were a least a couple of thousand who left...with two matches to go. That card was badly booked from the standpoint of having HHH vs. Jericho last. I know that was the Undisputed title match, but Hogan-Rock was the true main event.

Another strange crowd reaction was HHH vs. a face Scott Steiner, who got booed during last year's Royal Rumble at the FleetCenter in Boston.


I think the crowd pop thing got over-the-top. The day after, Hulk returned to Smackdown and he got an ovation that lasted I don't know how long. Pops mean absolutely nothing. The Japanese love wrestling but appreciate it in a more restrained way. The WWE seem to think that the louder the pop, the better the match!

As for Scott Steiner getting a strange reaction, I think that was because he was a fully fledged heel in WCW. To turn up as a face against HHH must have confused the crowd (I couldn't even allow for that one). He was also unresponsive to the crowd and is way past his best (long gone are his tag-team days with his brother Rick  :\'().

I think the crowd pop thing got over-the-top. The day after, Hulk returned to Smackdown and he got an ovation that lasted I don't know how long. Pops mean absolutely nothing. The Japanese love wrestling but appreciate it in a more restrained way. The WWE seem to think that the louder the pop, the better the match!

As for Scott Steiner getting a strange reaction, I think that was because he was a fully fledged heel in WCW. To turn up as a face against HHH must have confused the crowd (I couldn't even allow for that one). He was also unresponsive to the crowd and is way past his best (long gone are his tag-team days with his brother Rick  :\'().


No question, "pops" have no bearing on the quality of the match from a technical perspective. By no means was Hogan's match with the Rock something I'd categorize as great...not even very good. It was, though, better than I expected.  However, being there live, I was taken aback by the reaction from the crowd. I've never been a Hogan fan, but I couldn't help but be impressed with someone who elicited the kind of response Hogan got that night. A good portion of that crowd was emotionally spent afterward. A very good match? No. Somewhat entertaining? Yes (at least for me). Hogan and Rock worked well with what they had, which was loads of charisma.

As for Steiner, I thought he got booed at the Royal Rumble because his work was horrid. I don't see how Steiner's being a face could've confused the Boston fans, because Steiner had been booked as a face since his WWE return, which was two months prior at the 2002 Survivor Series at Madison Square Garden. When Steiner cleared the ring of Matt Hardy and Chris Nowinski and delivered his, "This goes out to all my freaks in New York City" line during his promo afterward, the Garden (known for being a "smart" crowd) ate it up.

I could never understand why the WWF did this to Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine - maybe because he was the most similar looking to Elvis they could find in the locker-room, perhaps? Greg just looked so out-of-place it was ridiculous (especially when 'playing' Hunka Hunka Honky Love' at Wrestlemania 6!


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here is a better picture of him.He must be in his 50's by now. :o



Howard

Other "strange" crowd reactions:

-- Fans booing a happy-go-lucky babyface Rock ("Rocky Sucks")
-- Fans cheering a cocky, arrogant Rock
-- Fans cheering a ruthless Stone Cold Steve Austin (Around 1997)
-- Fans cheering the "cool heel" NWO


-Fans cheering a heel Bret Hart during his WWF days.



Howard

-Fans cheering a heel Bret Hart during his WWF days.



Howard


In other countries outside the U.S.A.....and being an American I cheered him and booed Steve Austin...but I'm one in a few.

No question, "pops" have no bearing on the quality of the match from a technical perspective. By no means was Hogan's match with the Rock something I'd categorize as great...not even very good. It was, though, better than I expected.  However, being there live, I was taken aback by the reaction from the crowd. I've never been a Hogan fan, but I couldn't help but be impressed with someone who elicited the kind of response Hogan got that night. A good portion of that crowd was emotionally spent afterward. A very good match? No. Somewhat entertaining? Yes (at least for me). Hogan and Rock worked well with what they had, which was loads of charisma.

I agree. Hogan is an incredible person because I always felt Hogan's charisma was natural. I never felt the same way about The Rock.

As for Steiner, I thought he got booed at the Royal Rumble because his work was horrid. I don't see how Steiner's being a face could've confused the Boston fans, because Steiner had been booked as a face since his WWE return, which was two months prior at the 2002 Survivor Series at Madison Square Garden. When Steiner cleared the ring of Matt Hardy and Chris Nowinski and delivered his, "This goes out to all my freaks in New York City" line during his promo afterward, the Garden (known for being a "smart" crowd) ate it up.

Oh I agree, Scott Steiner is an awful wrestler these days but I just felt there were other reasons. Maybe these crowds are more intelligent than we give them credit for - especially since Summerslam! I think we are going to see a revolt (if it hasn't already happened already).

No question, "pops" have no bearing on the quality of the match from a technical perspective. By no means was Hogan's match with the Rock something I'd categorize as great...not even very good. It was, though, better than I expected.  However, being there live, I was taken aback by the reaction from the crowd. I've never been a Hogan fan, but I couldn't help but be impressed with someone who elicited the kind of response Hogan got that night. A good portion of that crowd was emotionally spent afterward. A very good match? No. Somewhat entertaining? Yes (at least for me). Hogan and Rock worked well with what they had, which was loads of charisma.


You might want to watch it again, it was very good...


As for Honky Tonk... we was HILARIOUS!

The most electrifying match for me was the Hulk/Warrior classic of Wrestlemania 6. O.k it was choreographed but it didn't feel more so than any other match I have seen as of late. Some chanted Hogan and some chanted Warrior. I think it was the only time I have ever seen a crowd so divided. Plus the fact that the Warrior won cleanly made it feel even more important.

In other countries outside the U.S.A.....and being an American I cheered him and booed Steve Austin...but I'm one in a few.



And then we cheered Steve Austin and booed Bret Hart. ;D



Howard

The most electrifying match for me was the Hulk/Warrior classic of Wrestlemania 6. O.k it was choreographed but it didn't feel more so than any other match I have seen as of late. Some chanted Hogan and some chanted Warrior. I think it was the only time I have ever seen a crowd so divided. Plus the fact that the Warrior won cleanly made it feel even more important.




I thought they were waiting for Hogan to beat the crap outta the Warrior.turns out that Hogan 8 years later was being booed. :o



Howard

The most similar occurance I remember to that match was Not Bret Hart Vs Shawn Michaels...but Owen Hart Vs Shawn Michaels. Owen Nailed his pattened Enzenguri to the side of Michaels head and a little while later Michaels just colappsed in the ring.  I remember Owen actually being concerned that he had hurt Michaels, only after finding out that Michaels was going to be ok, he turned it into a gimmick to promote Diesle Vs Owen Hart at the next PPV.

It's very possible that it was Owen fighting Shawn instead of Bret in the match I'm thinking of. I came in in the middle of the match, so I don't remember seeing a Enzenguri but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen. That and Owen and Bret have very similar styles so I can certainly believe misremembering one for the other (especially since I was focused more on what happened to Shawn). Didn't know about the resulting gimmick though, interesting to know.

Kryllith

Just watched a TSN (Canada equivalent to ESPN) and Flair inan interview just tore a  hole through Ultimate Warrior.

"He didn't have enough talent to compete in the ring..."

"Sting was a great athlete, Warrior had no athletic ability whatsoever.."

"The Ultimate Warrior was just a ficticious character wth alot of paintand a great body, trust me, no athletic ability  wahatsoever..."

WOW! Now that's drawing a line in the sand with urine  :P

Here's the Link:

Go to the bottom of the page and it is by a Flair pic with the lin to the right that just says "Ric Flair"

Don't consue it with the interview from Off The Record.

http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/